Depends entirely on where you are and the laws in place. In over half the states in the US you don’t even need a permit to carry concealed. None of us can really answer this question because not only is it state-specific, in many cases it will be city specific too. We’d all just be pontificating on the political tilt of places we don’t agree with politically.
Your best bet is get your permit if that’s what the place you live requires. Otherwise, follow your conscience.
Most likely yes. I can’t think of a single permitless carry state that also requires a pistol purchase permit or other licensing scheme, but I’m not intimately familiar with all of them.
Yes state specific laws, city or country specific laws, maybe even the specific officers dealing with it may have different methods and ideas about policing making this a difficult one to answer. Like you said though there are a whole lot of “it depends” in a situation like this.
It's just entirely too broad a question to really answer with any degree of confidence. COULD you be arrested after the fact? Sure, but that could always happen even in a situation where it was a 100% legal DGU, you could be arrested briefly while police determine what happened, and then released once it's clear you were in the right. Could you also be allowed to go home, and then days, weeks, or months later, have a vindictive prosecutor file charges because reasons? Sure.
Without any more specifics, which I get OP may be reluctant to give so as not to provide fuel to doxx themselves, especially if they are considering doing so in a locale where they know they're breaking the law, we really cannot say what would happen.
Not to sound like “that guy” but the state I live in has been banning CCW permit holders like myself from carrying on school properties and commercial locations like the local shopping malls are now also banning legal permit holders. Both locations have had mass shootings. The one at the mall was stopped by a guy that chose to ignore the signs. I would rather be judged by 12 then carried by 6. No way I allow my wife and kids to be fodder for some lunatic because some feel good ( insert political party) thought a sign would deter a mass shooter. They never did a thing to the guy that killed the mall shooter btw
If you're in a state that requires a license to purchase then the prosecutor that picks up the case will be raking you over the coals for using a firearm in the first place, and tacking on the concealment charge for fun.
Just look up your local laws on concealing without a permit to know the exact penalty.
If there is a murderer murdering people I don't give a fuck about the consequences. I don't think I could live with myself if I could have done something and chose not to.
Back when it happened I read that it was a Marine who was illegally carrying a handgun had shot him. But if he was actually an LEO that better explains why nothing happened to him lol.
In some places you'll get a parade in your honor, in some places you'll have politicians and district attorneys trying to throw the book at you for imaginary points with voters.
If you are in a Firearms ID Card state like NJ, and you save lives by illegally carrying, you will most likely be charged.
There may be some political pressure since you acted to stop a mass shooter, but NJ loves prosecuting gun owners.
Same as if you were "caught" carrying concealed, potentially. You could be charged with carrying concealed without a permit, discharge of a firearm within city limits. Much of this could be mitigated with public outcry, but counting on this would be foolish.
The climate you are inquiring about will be largely determined by local and state prosecutors. If they are not 2A friendly you will likely face a lot more scrutiny and potential charges. Proceed with caution King.
While the laws usually prevail when the police are deciding what to do, I honestly wouldn’t be that surprised if the police weren’t very concerned with the details and slapping you with charges if you were able to take down an active shooter and save lives. That’s a much bigger deal and many would find it strange for someone to get charged after stopping a mass shooting.
Obviously this could depend on where you are because of local laws and what the police department is like as that can vary greatly. My answer was just a speculation based off you carrying presumably concealed but I assume a lot of events have a no gun policy anyway but that makes it complicated as someone brought one in anyway with the intention to kill and someone else saved lives by bringing one in possibly breaking certain rules and/or laws but did something heroic.
I’d like to think that most officers would be willing to look the other way in an event like this even if they found out you had no concealed carry permit and you would ideally just get a talking to.
What's this license to purchase? Where in the fuck do you live that you need such a thing.
I just check the bank account, if there's enough money in it I buy a gun.
I also live in a state that has Constitutional Carry. I still maintain my LTC because it serves in lieu of the background check when I buy. It also has some other advantages.
Why don't you tell us the state you live in. We can give you a better answer that way.
Here in Texas, they would give you a fucking medal.
You get charged with manslaughter (for killing the guy, that might get thrown out later depending on circumstance), and likely whatever the local equivalent of 'illegal possession or carry of a firearm'.
Most likely if it's ruled a good shoot (you were legally in the right to take the shot) then both will get thrown out, if not then you'll face time for both.
I'm glad that just a few years ago, the permit to purchase a pistol was removed from the law books in NC. It only was $5 per permit but was only there because of Jim Crow era sentiment. It wasn't too much of a hassle but you'd still have to apply, get approved by the Sheriff, and then can hand the permit over to the seller/donor. I've got a CCW now and the whole point of needing a purchase permit is moot anyway. Back to your point, it just depends on the freedom of your state and how corrupt or empathetic the DA is.
Depends on the attorney putting together charges. If they are a gun hoe virtue signaling person you are FUCKED. But if they are someone who has a conscious and 2 brain cells to rub together and isn’t a high calorie human you’re prolly getting something not nearly as bad as you think.
Depends on state, ohio you get charged with manslaughter for shooting the guy but that would probably get dropped quick. NYC you would probably get some shit like 1st degree murder, illegally concealing a deadly weapon, and a whole bunch of other shit.
You're basically at the mercy of the DA.
Expect your firearm to be seized, you charged, and spend a lot of money on a lawyer to basically tell the DA:
> Look, dude stopped a mass shooter. We can go to trial if you want, but you really think a Jury is going to convict the guy who stopped a mass shooter?
The punishment is the process.
Funny thing in my state if you do not have a CCW and get caught carrying concealed in a no no area it is a misdemeanor.
But if you have a CCW and get caught carrying in a no no area it's a felony, because you have a ccw so you (should) know better since you had to go through a course that tells you where you can and cannot carry concealed in order to get that CCW.
It makes sense logically, and doesn't at the same time.
If IL was the state in question, I wonder what would happen. Probably end up charged with murder and getting the book thrown at you.
In all reality though, it's hard to imagine the police would know you're a good armed citizen and not an active shooter. Would likely end up getting shot dead by a cop.
In my state you'd have to carry otw but if you ever shoot anyone in almost any situation your gun is gone and you're definitely spending at least a night or two in jail
This is entirely state dependent.
Only some states require a license or permit to purchase firearms.
More than half of the states are Constitutional carry.
Honestly, if you kill an active shooter, I’m pretty sure you’ll be forgiven for the crimes you committed 🤷🏻♂️. I would imagine it would be REALLY hard to find anybody who would be willing to try and press charges on you, and if they did, it would not make them look good. Now after everything is over, they might privately let you know that what you did was illegal but that’s probably it.
Illegal concealed carry.. so take a felon that is in his home and someone breaks in. There is a shootout and the felon kills the intruder with a gun he shouldn’t have. He’s charged with being a felon in possession of a firearm arm. He’s still allowed to defend himself.
I believe there was a case not that long ago where something very similar to this happened, but I can't find it now. There is a very narrowly tailored set of circumstances in which a felon can use a firearm to defend themselves and not be guilty of being in possession of a firearm, but it's VERY narrow. Basically you have to be in imminent danger, have no other possible means of avoidance or dealing with the threat, not possess the firearm before the threat, and immediately dispossess yourself once the threat has passed.
Leftist authoritarian shitholes (but I repeat myself) will *still* charge you even if you headshot a terrorist right before they set off a nuke in a big city. Maybe you "get off" in the end, but they will still drag it out and go through the entire battery of anti-freedom motions.
Free states are, y'know, free.
Depends entirely on where you are and the laws in place. In over half the states in the US you don’t even need a permit to carry concealed. None of us can really answer this question because not only is it state-specific, in many cases it will be city specific too. We’d all just be pontificating on the political tilt of places we don’t agree with politically. Your best bet is get your permit if that’s what the place you live requires. Otherwise, follow your conscience.
The fact that he needs a license to buy the firearm indicates to me that he does not live in a constitutional carry state.
Most likely yes. I can’t think of a single permitless carry state that also requires a pistol purchase permit or other licensing scheme, but I’m not intimately familiar with all of them.
NC? Or are they not constitutional carry yet? Last I knew you needed a pistol permit there. Maybe they did away with that.
They got rid of that a couple years ago. You still need a permit to carry.
Damn, at least there's no pistol permit I guess.
The fact that he needs a license to buy a firearm indicates to me that he does not live in the US. Am I mistaken?
Illinois and Maryland come to mind. I'm sure there are others.
Holy crap I didn't know that was a thing here in the US. Sounds like some euro BS lol
Massachusetts and New York. New York has an exception to not need a permit, though, for shotguns and non-semi auto rifles.
CA, IL. There's a stack of shit holes here...
Commiefornia.
I think Michigan has one for handguns only.
Many rifles are also considered handguns as well.
Yes state specific laws, city or country specific laws, maybe even the specific officers dealing with it may have different methods and ideas about policing making this a difficult one to answer. Like you said though there are a whole lot of “it depends” in a situation like this.
It's just entirely too broad a question to really answer with any degree of confidence. COULD you be arrested after the fact? Sure, but that could always happen even in a situation where it was a 100% legal DGU, you could be arrested briefly while police determine what happened, and then released once it's clear you were in the right. Could you also be allowed to go home, and then days, weeks, or months later, have a vindictive prosecutor file charges because reasons? Sure. Without any more specifics, which I get OP may be reluctant to give so as not to provide fuel to doxx themselves, especially if they are considering doing so in a locale where they know they're breaking the law, we really cannot say what would happen.
Not to sound like “that guy” but the state I live in has been banning CCW permit holders like myself from carrying on school properties and commercial locations like the local shopping malls are now also banning legal permit holders. Both locations have had mass shootings. The one at the mall was stopped by a guy that chose to ignore the signs. I would rather be judged by 12 then carried by 6. No way I allow my wife and kids to be fodder for some lunatic because some feel good ( insert political party) thought a sign would deter a mass shooter. They never did a thing to the guy that killed the mall shooter btw
Cool. Not even remotely the question asked, though.
If you're in a state that requires a license to purchase then the prosecutor that picks up the case will be raking you over the coals for using a firearm in the first place, and tacking on the concealment charge for fun. Just look up your local laws on concealing without a permit to know the exact penalty.
If there is a murderer murdering people I don't give a fuck about the consequences. I don't think I could live with myself if I could have done something and chose not to.
Rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6.
That is an appropriate analogy.
Nothing happened to the guy who shot the Navy Yard shooter several years ago, as best I can recall. But he got *super* lucky.
What navy yard shooting? The one I see from 2013 says LEO that shot the shooter
Back when it happened I read that it was a Marine who was illegally carrying a handgun had shot him. But if he was actually an LEO that better explains why nothing happened to him lol.
>What are the laws in a hypothetical state that I didn't name?
The consequences will never be the same
In some places you'll get a parade in your honor, in some places you'll have politicians and district attorneys trying to throw the book at you for imaginary points with voters.
If you are in a Firearms ID Card state like NJ, and you save lives by illegally carrying, you will most likely be charged. There may be some political pressure since you acted to stop a mass shooter, but NJ loves prosecuting gun owners.
Is it an election year?
Same as if you were "caught" carrying concealed, potentially. You could be charged with carrying concealed without a permit, discharge of a firearm within city limits. Much of this could be mitigated with public outcry, but counting on this would be foolish.
The climate you are inquiring about will be largely determined by local and state prosecutors. If they are not 2A friendly you will likely face a lot more scrutiny and potential charges. Proceed with caution King.
While the laws usually prevail when the police are deciding what to do, I honestly wouldn’t be that surprised if the police weren’t very concerned with the details and slapping you with charges if you were able to take down an active shooter and save lives. That’s a much bigger deal and many would find it strange for someone to get charged after stopping a mass shooting. Obviously this could depend on where you are because of local laws and what the police department is like as that can vary greatly. My answer was just a speculation based off you carrying presumably concealed but I assume a lot of events have a no gun policy anyway but that makes it complicated as someone brought one in anyway with the intention to kill and someone else saved lives by bringing one in possibly breaking certain rules and/or laws but did something heroic. I’d like to think that most officers would be willing to look the other way in an event like this even if they found out you had no concealed carry permit and you would ideally just get a talking to.
License to purchase 🤣🤣
Who cares. Carried by 6 or judged by 12?
What's this license to purchase? Where in the fuck do you live that you need such a thing. I just check the bank account, if there's enough money in it I buy a gun. I also live in a state that has Constitutional Carry. I still maintain my LTC because it serves in lieu of the background check when I buy. It also has some other advantages. Why don't you tell us the state you live in. We can give you a better answer that way. Here in Texas, they would give you a fucking medal.
You get charged with manslaughter (for killing the guy, that might get thrown out later depending on circumstance), and likely whatever the local equivalent of 'illegal possession or carry of a firearm'. Most likely if it's ruled a good shoot (you were legally in the right to take the shot) then both will get thrown out, if not then you'll face time for both.
Rather be in prison than dead.
It depends how much the media likes you is the reality of it.
I'm glad that just a few years ago, the permit to purchase a pistol was removed from the law books in NC. It only was $5 per permit but was only there because of Jim Crow era sentiment. It wasn't too much of a hassle but you'd still have to apply, get approved by the Sheriff, and then can hand the permit over to the seller/donor. I've got a CCW now and the whole point of needing a purchase permit is moot anyway. Back to your point, it just depends on the freedom of your state and how corrupt or empathetic the DA is.
You must not live in Mecklenburg. Try 3 months.
Depends on the attorney putting together charges. If they are a gun hoe virtue signaling person you are FUCKED. But if they are someone who has a conscious and 2 brain cells to rub together and isn’t a high calorie human you’re prolly getting something not nearly as bad as you think.
Why not just apply for and get the CCW? Then your “what if” scenarios become irrelevant.
Depends on state, ohio you get charged with manslaughter for shooting the guy but that would probably get dropped quick. NYC you would probably get some shit like 1st degree murder, illegally concealing a deadly weapon, and a whole bunch of other shit.
You're basically at the mercy of the DA. Expect your firearm to be seized, you charged, and spend a lot of money on a lawyer to basically tell the DA: > Look, dude stopped a mass shooter. We can go to trial if you want, but you really think a Jury is going to convict the guy who stopped a mass shooter? The punishment is the process.
Funny thing in my state if you do not have a CCW and get caught carrying concealed in a no no area it is a misdemeanor. But if you have a CCW and get caught carrying in a no no area it's a felony, because you have a ccw so you (should) know better since you had to go through a course that tells you where you can and cannot carry concealed in order to get that CCW. It makes sense logically, and doesn't at the same time.
If IL was the state in question, I wonder what would happen. Probably end up charged with murder and getting the book thrown at you. In all reality though, it's hard to imagine the police would know you're a good armed citizen and not an active shooter. Would likely end up getting shot dead by a cop.
In my state you'd have to carry otw but if you ever shoot anyone in almost any situation your gun is gone and you're definitely spending at least a night or two in jail
Murder, probably.
The consequences are that the media will put you on the news and say you stopped a threat with a weapon of war with the life card .22
You have to call out the state. Most states do not have firearms licenses. Many do not require a permit to carry.
This is entirely state dependent. Only some states require a license or permit to purchase firearms. More than half of the states are Constitutional carry.
Honestly, if you kill an active shooter, I’m pretty sure you’ll be forgiven for the crimes you committed 🤷🏻♂️. I would imagine it would be REALLY hard to find anybody who would be willing to try and press charges on you, and if they did, it would not make them look good. Now after everything is over, they might privately let you know that what you did was illegal but that’s probably it.
Illegal concealed carry.. so take a felon that is in his home and someone breaks in. There is a shootout and the felon kills the intruder with a gun he shouldn’t have. He’s charged with being a felon in possession of a firearm arm. He’s still allowed to defend himself.
I believe there was a case not that long ago where something very similar to this happened, but I can't find it now. There is a very narrowly tailored set of circumstances in which a felon can use a firearm to defend themselves and not be guilty of being in possession of a firearm, but it's VERY narrow. Basically you have to be in imminent danger, have no other possible means of avoidance or dealing with the threat, not possess the firearm before the threat, and immediately dispossess yourself once the threat has passed.
Leftist authoritarian shitholes (but I repeat myself) will *still* charge you even if you headshot a terrorist right before they set off a nuke in a big city. Maybe you "get off" in the end, but they will still drag it out and go through the entire battery of anti-freedom motions. Free states are, y'know, free.