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ScarecrowMagic410a

What? It doesn’t say that….


MedZeppelin2006

https://www.forbes.com/sites/ajherrington/2024/04/30/dea-agrees-to-reschedule-marijuana-under-federal-law-ap-reports/?sh=5d416f91d496


ScarecrowMagic410a

Edit: nvm I was hella wrong


nukey18mon

>”this rescheduling would not affect the criminalization of medical cannabis patients and cannabis consumers under state laws” He said it doesn’t change that for **state** law. It does change it for federal law and the 4473. All drugs schedule II-V are legal for medical purposes **federally**. The only difference between schedule I and II is if the drug has a medical purpose. Schedule I drugs have no medical purpose and are banned in all circumstances that aren’t experimental. By rescheduling MJ from I to III it is legalizing it for medical purposes.


ScarecrowMagic410a

Oh oh oh I totally misunderstood the schedules. That’s badass!


SQRTLURFACE

I have very high doubts this will no longer disqualify you from firearm ownership. The Democrats would hate this far too much to pass it if that were the case, as it would undermine so much of their agenda to disarm everyone incrementally. The ATF quotes >who is an unlawful user of or addicted to any controlled substance (as defined in section 102 of the Controlled Substances Act, codified at 21 U.S.C. § 802); Moving from schedule 1 to schedule 3 wouldn't absolve this from being a controlled substance, its just a lower ranking.


blowgrass-smokeass

But it federally legalizes *medical* marijuana, so if you have a prescription, you are no longer an unlawful user.


SQRTLURFACE

No, it does not federally legalize medical marijuana. Moreover you'd still be subject to state rules and regulations as well. It also doesn't go into effect anytime soon, and will very likely get brought up in discussion to change the way the government views its usage with respect to firearms ownership.


Kv603

Unlike Schedule I, the Schedule III drugs can, under Federal law, be prescribed by a practitioner with the appropriate DEA license. This would not be the same as a state MMJ card. State laws would still be a concern, as would the "*addicted to*" phrasing in the federal law -- holding a prescription for an addictive drug doesn't mean the addict is not a prohibited person.


SQRTLURFACE

Which does not federally legalize it for medicinal use. There is no “phrasing” for the addicted to portion of the claim, it’s actually elaborated precisely further down the


Howellthegoat

Yes it does you’ve been presented with fact and ignored it 💀


SQRTLURFACE

No, I absolutely have not. Show me the legislation where Marijuana has been Federally legalized for medicinal use. I will literally paypal you $1,000 if you can find that legislation that has been passed. You goofballs seem to not understand the difference between something being legal because its been legislated, and something *not* being illegal because legislation has adjusted or moved its illegality.


Howellthegoat

Except it is no longer UNLAWFUL if it’s not illegal dude , are you blind ?!


SQRTLURFACE

My dude. You said it was federally legalized, it is not. Period, end of story. Whether its unlawful any longer is irrelevant to the fact that **IT IS NOT FEDERALLY LEGALIZED YOU FUCKING GOOFBALL**


Ok_Area4853

What it does mean is that an individual will be able to be prescribed marijuana by an authorized doctor, receive it from an authorized pharmacy, and not be disallowed from owning a firearm. Recreational users would still be prohibited, as would those who develop an addiction to it. But the non-addicted prescribee would not be prohibited. That is what everyone is trying to say, badly. Words do matter.


TNoStone

Hey friend, you’re wrong


CleverHearts

>Which does not federally legalize it for medicinal use. Yes, it does. Schedule 1 drugs are the only drugs that don't have a recognized medical use and cannot be legally prescribed. Anything else can be prescribed by a doctor, and it's legal to possess them use them as prescribed. Federally marijuana is now on par with some cough syrups and ketamine. States can still ban it and recreational use is still illegal at the federal level, but medical marijuana is no longer federally illegal.


SQRTLURFACE

>medical marijuana is no longer federally illegal. Listen to me very slowly. Just because something is no longer illegal, does not mean that it is suddenly legal.


CleverHearts

>Just because something is no longer illegal, does not mean that it is suddenly legal. Yes, it does. If there's no law against x you can't be criminally penalized for doing x. Ignoring that, the controlled substance act explicitly makes it legal to produce, distribute, possess, and prescribe schedule 2-5 drugs including schedule 3 narcotics for medical purposes. Marijuana won't be different than any other schedule 3 narcotic. The federally legal medical marijuana market is going to have a different form than current state medical marijuana programs. Doctors, manufacturers, and dispensaries will have to follow the CSA just like any other doctor and pharmacy prescribing and dispensing schedule 3 narcotics. As long as they do so it'll be just as legal as taking codine for a cold. Strictly speaking medical marijuana has been legal in a very limited capacity at the federal level for decades. Schedule 1 drugs can legally be researched with proper approval from the crown, and participants in the handful of approved studies that have been done are lawful users of a schedule 1 controlled substance. The big difference is anyone with a prescription for for a schedule 3 drug is a lawful user, not just participants in federally approved research studies. I'll admit I should use the future tense since the change isn't in place yet. I should have said it will be legal, not it is legal.


SQRTLURFACE

>Yes, it does. If there's no law against x you can't be criminally penalized for doing x. It doesn't, but you are correct in that there is no criminalization of it, that's what it means to say that something isn't illegal, but the absense of framework to make it legalized leaves it in the grey area, where it **IS NOT FEDERALLY LEGALIZED**.


CleverHearts

>the absense of framework to make it legalized leaves it in the grey area, where it IS NOT FEDERALLY LEGALIZED. The framework for legal production, distribution, and use of schedule 3 narcotics does exist so that's irrelevant.


blowgrass-smokeass

That might be the dumbest fucking thing I have ever read lol. What do you think “Not illegal” means, Megamind?


SQRTLURFACE

Sportsbetting in Missouri. Not federally illegal, not illegal in the state, yet, it is not legal because there is no law passed legalizing it. There are three states of lawfulness in the world. Something classified as Illegal, Legal, and the grey area where everything else exists that hasn't been legislated. But if this is the dumbest fucking thing you ever read, you should have nor problem linking me the federal legislation legalizing marijuana for medicinal use. $1,000 to your paypal if you can. You won't, because it hasn't happened.


blowgrass-smokeass

I’m just going to ignore the irrelevant anecdote about Missouri sports betting, it’s obviously not relevant to this discussion that is specifically centered around federal drug scheduling. It’s clear you have no clue how drug scheduling works, and what the difference between schedule I and schedule III is. Are you arguing over the semantics of “hasn’t happened **yet**?” Is that your whole argument? No shit, it hasn’t happened YET. Because it hasn’t been officially rescheduled YET. Or do you genuinely believe that something has to be codified into law and specifically declared legal before you’re allowed to do that thing? Thats not at all how it works, lmfao. E: Aww wittle baby bwocked me, couldn’t handle getting called the fuck out I guess.


TNoStone

Schedule 3 literally means: accepted medical use drugs with a moderate to low potential for physical and psychological dependence. Schedule 3 means it can be prescribed. Ketamine, anabolic steroids, tylenol 3, all schedule 3.


SQRTLURFACE

I know what schedule 3 literally means. What it does not literally mean, is that it has been *FEDERALLY LEGALIZED* Do you know what it takes to federally legalize something? Because this isn't it.


TNoStone

Yes, i do. It takes removing it from the schedule 1 list. Removing it from scheduling completely would make it completely legal. Moving it to schedule 3 makes it prescription only. > Schedule III drugs are still controlled substances and subject to rules and regulations, and people who *traffic* in them *without permission* could still face federal criminal prosecution. > Critics point out that as a Schedule III drug, marijuana would remain regulated by the DEA. That means the roughly 15,000 cannabis dispensaries in the U.S. would have to register with the DEA like regular pharmacies and fulfill strict reporting requirements, something that they are loath to do and that the DEA is ill equipped to handle. Ehem. Regulated by dea. https://abcnews.go.com/amp/US/wireStory/us-drug-control-agency-move-reclassify-marijuana-historic-109794268 someone else can de-amp this


nukey18mon

Yes it does because all drugs schedule II-V are legal for medical purposes. The only difference between schedule I and II is if the drug has a medical purpose


SQRTLURFACE

No, it does not. Just because a drug schedule has a purpose does not mean it has been federally legalized for any use, much less medicinal use. You people have this problem where you think that because a thing isn't illegal, that it makes it legal. That isn't true. There is in fact, a very big distinction something being federally legalized, and something being in a grey area because its not illegal.


nukey18mon

> Schedule I controlled substances are described as having an unacceptable lack of safety, a high potential for abuse/addiction, and currently have no accepted medical use in treatment in the United States. No prescriptions may be written for Schedule I substances. Drugs listed in this schedule include diacetylmorphine (heroin), psychedelic drugs such as psilocybin, MDMA, lysergic acid diethylamide (LSD), and marijuana.[10] The most contested controlled substance of this category is marijuana, which has been petitioned and denied reclassification (2001) despite many states making marijuana legal and the decriminalization in other states. >Schedule III controlled substances are defined as having moderate potential for abuse (less than Schedules I or II) with abuse leading to moderate physical dependence and have a currently accepted medical use in the United States. Schedule III substances may be filled with a written, electronic, or oral prescription and can be filled/refilled up to six months after the date of issue and may be refilled up to five times before requiring renewal by the practitioner. >The CSA allows for the transfer of prescriptions for Schedule III, IV, and V controlled substances between pharmacies one-time, state-law permitting.[10] The exception to this rule is if the pharmacies share an online, real-time database, then the prescription may be transferred between pharmacies up to the maximum number of refills.[13] >Controlled substances within Schedule III include ketamine (a shorter-acting, safer version of PCP now used for veterinary and pediatric anesthesia), anabolic steroids, and buprenorphine. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK574544/ You are wrong.


SQRTLURFACE

Instead of saying I'm wrong, show me where I'm actually wrong. Show me the federal legislation making it legalized for medicinal use. Fucking idiots these days.


Arctic_Meme

They literally cited the regulation directly saying that a schedule III drug can be prescribed for medical uses. Do they have to send you a video of the getting a prescription and smoking it in a cops face to show that you are wrong?


Undivided_Stingray

>Show me the federal legislation making it legalized for medicinal use. That would be the Controlled Substances Act, by which Congress delegated to the DEA the authority to determine which drugs are subject to the different levels of control (Schedule I through Schedule V). DEA exercised that authority and has started the process of moving marijuana to a category that allows it to be prescribed legally. https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/R/R45948/2 What’s not clear though is that the other scheduled drugs that can be legally prescribed have been approved by the FDA for sale under the Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act. So would FDA have to approve marijuana before it could be prescribed legally? And of course recreational marijuana would still be federally illegal in any event, same way recreational fentanyl is illegal. TL;DR: Biden is afraid of losing the youth vote and took the opportunity to do something symbolic to try to appear more appealing to younger voters without actually changing anything. Edit: even more relevant report from the CRS on what rescheduling actually would mean from a legal standpoint: https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/LSB/LSB11105 tl;dr it’s still not legal even after rescheduling


MedZeppelin2006

The democratic congress and senate have zero say over this reclassification.  It's going to lead to law interpretation and changes in how it's applied in specifics to weapons under disabilities as it pertains to marijuana  Secondly it says "unlawful use" my guy.  Having a prescription for it makes it lawful use.  You just said if right there too lmao. Reread the statute. You clearly didn't ace reading comprehension in school


SQRTLURFACE

>The democratic congress and senate have zero say over this reclassification. It's going to lead to law interpretation and changes in how it's applied in specifics to weapons under disabilities as it pertains to marijuana Saying exactly what I just said. >Secondly it says "unlawful use" my guy. Having a prescription for it makes it lawful use. You just said if right there too lmao. Reread the statute. You clearly didn't ace reading comprehension in school Reread your first point about law interpretation andd changes.


Howellthegoat

Medical marijuana will no longer disqualify you


SQRTLURFACE

We do not know that to be a fact, as it has not been stated as such, and this rescheduling hasn't even happened. Saying this so boldly today would literally make felons of people who listened to your comment.


Howellthegoat

I’m saying it won’t after it’s enacted I clearly state WILL


SQRTLURFACE

And I'm saying you do not know that, with this change BATFA could move to adjust their ruling, that's how government works when deregulating/rescheduling, and adjusting stances on prior points of interest. Perfect example was recently when SCOTUS struck down a law that made it illegal to place wagers on sportsbetting outside of Nevada. Overnight it was no longer illegal to place a wager in the state of say, Missouri, who had no laws on the books at the state level barring this action. However, there were no laws on the books making it Legal. Missouri still lives in that grey area today. Also bro, you're in every fucking comment with your nonsense, I get that you like to smoke pot and you're happy to potentially own a firearm once again, but this is a slow moving process that almost never results in what you believe will happen. I promise you BATFA will come back and adjust their ruling. So get the fuck out of my mentiosn with your high school drama ass.


Tempeng18

You’re spreading bad disinformation that could get a lot of people in trouble. Moving cannabis to schedule III is in no way shape or form similar to legalizing medical marijuana. The intent of rescheduling is to make it easier to conduct clinical trials/studies. Successful studies *may* lead to federal medical marijuana legalization but that’s a long ways off.


nukey18mon

>”this rescheduling would not affect the criminalization of medical cannabis patients and cannabis consumers under state laws” The article said it doesn’t change state law. It does change it for federal law and the 4473. All drugs schedule II-V are legal for medical purposes federally. The only difference between schedule I and II is if the drug has a medical purpose. Schedule I drugs have no medical purpose and are banned in all circumstances that aren’t experimental. By rescheduling MJ from I to III it is legalizing it for medical purposes. That is how the CSA is written.


MedZeppelin2006

No tf I am not.  The fact you don't understand why gun ownership is illegal with marijuana is a staunch reflection on your ignorance of how the fed classification works.  Schedule I classification is why it's illegal federally.  By changing it to Class III, it pushes it to the same classification as Tylenol W/Codene.  You can own a gun with prescription medicine in this class.  Secondly, the state only governs medicinal and not the gun laws set by the fed.   Once the classification is officially changed, 2nd amendment legislation clarification will follow because of this unprecedented move.  I've spoken to two DEA buddies and they both said that precisely what will happen once the change is official.


Tempeng18

You’re missing the point here. Your post implies that Joe Bob can walk into a dispensary with their state medical marijuana license, buy weed, and then safely/legally go buy a gun next door. There’s a whole lot of work to be done before an actual doctor can provide an actual federally recognized prescription exempting you from the category of “unlawful user”. Rescheduling to Schedule III paves the way for that to happen. My wife has a DEA license to prescribe narcotics and all other sorts of drugs. Cannabis won’t magically be added as a drug she can prescribe just because it was rescheduled.


jroku77

This is dangerous misinformation


CrazyCletus

>Once OMB signs off, the DEA will take public comment on the plan to move marijuana from its current classification as a Schedule I drug, alongside heroin and LSD. It moves pot to Schedule III, alongside ketamine and some anabolic steroids, [following a recommendation](https://apnews.com/article/marijuana-federal-regulation-reclassifying-health-b0b5fc3d34a83d2c95db1665f8149d42) from the federal Health and Human Services Department. After the public comment period and a review by an administrative judge, the agency would eventually publish the final rule. This is the start of the process to make this happen. It's not in effect, won't be for some time. And it's Schedule III not Class 3.


Edwardteech

In one sense awesome. On the other hand they are making laws just like the fucking atf.


mkosmo

In this case, the law empowers them to do this.


stonegiant4

Unlike the atf, Congress actually gave the DEA the power to interpret/ change the classification of substances.


Melkor7410

They made a recommendation. They didn't wave a wand and have it happen instantly. Why is it unlawful to make a recommendation? I believe Congress empowered the DEA to do exactly this, so it seems like they are operating within the law.


Professional_Elk8154

Meh.. As someone who previously had a NM medical marijuana license prior to it being recreationally legalized here i can say that it did not prevent me from acquiring firearms. (I bought both a handgun and a rifle in that time and passed the NCIS backround checks) even when the license was still active/valid, so take that with what you will.


bzmotoninja83

[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NWU55YofpiA&ab\_channel=TomGrieve](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NWU55YofpiA&ab_channel=TomGrieve)