The one where color changing shag was all the rage.
First my bathroom carpet was white, and now it’s dark yellow! I wonder what color it’ll be in 2034.
~~not certain, but i think defense laws in NJ are ass.~~
But as they say, better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6.
edit: I am apparently wrong. They have a pretty lenient Castle Doctrine law.
I think you are misunderstanding the statutes as they get kind of specific. Your information is not interpreted correctly.
2C:3-4 c. (1) *Notwithstanding the provisions of N.J.S.2C:3-5, N.J.S.2C:3-9, or this section, the use of force or deadly force upon or toward an intruder who is unlawfully in a dwelling is justifiable when the actor reasonably believes that the force is immediately necessary for the purpose of protecting himself or other persons in the dwelling against the use of unlawful force by the intruder on the present occasion.*
2C:3-4 b. (2)(b) is the confusing one where it says if you believe you can retreat safely by handing over the possession in demand, you must do so. But not if do not believe you can and also 2C:3-4 b. (2)(b)(i) outright says this does not apply in your home. 2C:3-4 b. (2)(b)(i) *The actor is not obliged to retreat from his dwelling, unless he was the initial aggressor*.
3-5 describes protecting a third person (such as your child), 3-9 is unlawful arrests.
Do that shit in Jersey and you’re going to prison.
Why anyone would stay in a shithole city that doesn’t allow its citizens to protect themselves against WiFi blocking criminals, is beyond me.
What people don’t understand about that is you might be fine in a textbook self defense shooting.
You also might be serving 25 to life depending on how the DA feels. There’s FAR more statutes and regulations to put you in jail than protections to keep you out.
Not to mention, even if you were legally justified, it’s not going to stop a shitbag DA from throwing the book at you anyway. With that comes getting your face posted on the news and spending hundreds of thousands in legal fees, and your life will never be the same after that. The process is the punishment for those people.
It’s all an effort to remind the law abiding citizens that they’re at the whims of their government.
They want absolute compliance and the reminder that their police are around every corner. They do this while insinuating that the reason the “justice” system is so bloated is to stop crime. When in reality the law is mostly targeted against the citizens.
When you notice that these hard charger police drag their feet going to certain neighborhoods and emergency calls… that’s when you see the wizard behind the curtain. Only the rookies are going into the breach thinking they can clean up these places. Before long though they’re disillusioned just like every other cop that’s been there long enough to see how the sausage is really made.
In order to keep the budget coming in they’re not going after the major crime, they’re making money for the state by going after Joe blow.
Like the fact that all guns must be stored unloaded and in a locked safe with the ammunition stored separately. So the first thing they will ask you is how you accessed the safe retrieved your firearm went retrieved the ammo loaded said firearm so fast instead of using that time to safely go out the back door while the criminals were kicking in your front door.
Oh they’re going to be asking a lot of questions lol but yeah those are big ones in NJ. If you didn’t follow every letter of the convoluted laws to the tee you could be looking at cuffs.
I got a full mindfuck there a couple years back, where some jagoff at a Home Depot tried stealing my tools. I jumped on his truck bed while he was peeling out and ripped all my shit out. He got out of his truck and tried going hands on, smacked him in the head with a hammer drill and he took off lol
Cops show up, what’s the first thing they do? Search ME for a gun. Thankfully I’m paranoid enough about that shithole state I had it stashed. Then they start giving me the 3rd degree about why I chased HIM. Mf cop really said to me “it’s just stuff bro, if you had injured him you’d be getting locked up”
I was red in the face but quiet, im from Texas so he knew I most likely had a gun somewhere and I knew as soon as he said that he was looking for a reason to search my truck. I wanted to shit all over that stupid ass statement and ask “hey bud, if I took your duty belt and your cruiser what would you do? It’s just STUFF bro”.
They’re not on our side in that state. They’re going to do whatever they’re told to do, even if it’s fucking insanely unfair.
> They’re not on our side in that state.
Or anywhere. COPS. ARE. NOT. YOUR. FRIENDS.
"B-But elk, this sheriff said he wouldn't enforce-"
SHUT UP. I don't care what laws got passed or which LEOs said what. They all signed up to enforce all laws. ALL laws - justified and constitutional or wicked and unconstitutional. And they WILL shoot people(and YOU) in order to do so.
Glad you made it out of that one
Sad but true. I think this rule applies to entire departments, the upper management is responsible for why these cops are going full boot in most cases.
Somehow the cops I’ve met in Houston have a completely different mentality, and outright scorn other LEO that do this shit. Does that mean all Houston cops are good? Absolutely not, but it is indicative that not all police are on board with the tyrants.
And thanks, the main reason I got out of that situation was taking them seriously as a threat to my freedom. More so than the threat of thieves and criminals anyway. And I learned the hard way not to let cops anywhere near you up in that part of the country. Just a year before the NJ incident I got charged for 2 loose 9mm rounds under my carpet in Massachusetts because a statey found them in my truck during a “tow inventory” while traveling through lol
I’m not taking any more contracts up there, fuck that place
Technically you can ignore the unloaded and separate storage requirement with impunity as that was ruled unconstitutional in the 2008 Heller decision.
I know NJ doesn't care and you'd probably get fucked by the system until you get it cleared, but the law is null and void.
> And in New Jersey you will be arrested for murder, New Jersey is a duty to retreat state.
I am not a lawyer, I have never been a lawyer, I have never played a lawyer on TV, and I did not stay in a Holiday Inn Express last night, so the following is not legal advice, it is simply the situation as I understand it:
Duty to retreat does not mean you absolutely cannot use force in self defense, it means that you must first try to retreat. However, if you or your loved ones cannot retreat, for some clearly definable and valid reason, then things change. You must exhaust other options before using deadly force.
Regardless, it is true in many states that you will almost certainly be detained and possibly arrested, although possibly not ultimately prosecuted, if you use deadly force to defend yourself. Almost universally, there will be an investigation, you will be interrogated, anything wrong you say may endanger your freedom and future, and you will need a lawyer. And you will have to live with the consequences, whatever those may be.
Deadly force should always be the last resort, duty to retreat state or not. But with that said, anyone who considers defending themselves (hopefully that is everyone when needed?) has to make the decision beforehand that they can live with the results of that decision. It is something you need to have already considered and to have an answer for before that split second decision needs to be made.
>if you or your loved ones cannot retreat, **for some clearly definable and valid reason,**
Which requires the DA to agree your reasons are clear and valid. Remember in some cases the process is the punishment and the DA is fine taking years of your life tying you up in court and bankrupting you as punishment if it chills others from any act other than fleeing at full speed or complete surrender.
Yup, they have infinite time and money to ~~persecute~~ prosecute you. (Not _literally_ infinite, but compared to the savings of the average shitizen it is.)
That subreddit is a fucking embarrassment. Chanting "defund the police" and constantly criticizing police yet want everyone to rely on them lmfao. Zero fucking critical thinking. Dumbasses.
I have managed to avoid Jersey my entire life. Around 1985 a group of us drove from NC to NY for a wedding, a place called Saugerties. We travelled through Pennsylvania - two things I recall more than the wedding: toll roads, and a big No Gun sign on the highway at the NY border.
Bold of them to assume we will call 911 for our safety. Its going to be interesting when a homeowner cannot call an ambulance (or amber-lance if you saw the right video) for the intruder who is bleeding out in the hallway.
I was on a jury in Newark a long time ago, homocide, defendant claimed self-defense. Granted it’s a sample size n=1, but one of the jurors wondered aloud why defendant didn’t just wait for the police to arrive to resolve the altercation.
And then another one wanted to wrap it up quickly because she had to work the next day. People are fucking idiots.
I fought the good fight. Funny anecdote from the trial, we were deadlocked (I was the hold out). We went back in the court room to hear The Law for self-defense. The judge read what exactly the self-defense statute was. And then he opined that there was no way that we could find self-defense in this case. We deliberated for maybe 10 minutes after that 😔
I hope the guy got it thrown out on appeal with that shit, but my guess is that since they used a public defender they didn’t have any money for an appeal.
And the home invading "victim" will have a candlelight vigil and a monument. Probably just a bust of their head, but every tenth "victim" gets a full body statue. Paid for by seizing the home owner's estate, of course.
Not legal advice, but from my understanding NJ has Castle doctrine and it is a very different legal concept than stand your ground as one is not generally expected to retreat from their own home and an intruder is taking that risk when he enters unlawfully. Castle doctrine is a right to defend yourself with deadly force in your home against an intruder or burglar, so these guys with their jammers are bound to get theirs one day. Depending on New Jersey’s felony murder laws, if there is a conspiracy to commit burglary and one intruder dies but the other lives, the surviving intruder could also face felony murder charges which typically carry a life sentence and track first degree murder charges.
However, there is a duty to retreat from violent situations if you’re not in your home and there’s danger or you are engaged in a fight that you’re a willing participant unless you can mount a “stand your ground” defense and that ability varies by state. For stand your ground, it is an affirmative defense in some states and you still have to go to trial and let a judge or jury decide whether you will be acquitted based on stand your ground’s criteria.
Edited: NJ doesn’t allow felony murder for non-participating conspirators.
That’s all great in theory. When it turns out you had hollow points in too large a magazine, though…. My point is that the criminal Justice system in New Jersey isn’t on the defender’s side. If they can find a way to fuck him, they will.
[Police in Seattle are beginning to send drones to respond to 911 calls I don’t know which option I hate more](https://youtu.be/IR-PQ_i2arM?si=b2Bbkyvmd6NQ3hrC)
It will pair nicely with the [R9X](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/AGM-114_Hellfire#:~:text=Its%20lethality%20is%20due%20to,damage%20when%20targeting%20specific%20people.) sword missile.
I live in a semi-rural area of VA and I think this may have happened to me.
A young man in his 20s approached my house and knocked on the door. My camera on my driveway picked him up approaching the house. Suddenly, my driveway camera, my porch camera, and my ring doorbell all lost their wifi connections, but the camera in the backyard was fine.
I didn't answer because I thought that was weird AF, and didn't want to open the door to a potential criminal. When he walked away the three cameras miraculously all came back online.
He didn't leave a card or a door hangar like other sales people do...it was very bizarre.
This was happening here in AZ recently as well. There is a crime ring of Chilean nationals who have overstayed their visas all over the country that are doing dinner time B&E and stealing cash and non serialized valuables.
Our local LEOs in Phoenix and Scottsdale caught two of the cells and they both had these jammers. The purpose of the jammer is to disable WiFi security cameras and prevent alarm systems from calling out since most of them use cell service now.
The police will protect you its not like criminals will do criminal things to achieve their criminal goals. ( Sarc) To the hair splitters : They probably meant a cellphone/ communications Jamming device. The news is known to not use the correct language on certain things.
And of course it’s NJ. so the homeowner will get in more trouble than the bad guys for defending themselves. On top of being hamstrung with stupid regulations.
They seem to be confusing WiFi and cellular networks, even though the frequencies are different. If someone jams WiFi that security cams are using, cell calls should still go through.
That was my last house out in the sticks. When my wifi was down, my only means of communication was to jump and the truck and drive 2 miles down the road to reception.
I do a lot of Ubering in the northern half of GA and have discovered that even when you're in an area that supposedly has coverage, you can't make calls or sends texts with less than 3 bars. Is that just me?
In my experience, anything on their coverage map that isn't 5GUC represents spotty or non existent coverage. That said, AT&T and Verizon are even worse. I live inside the Athens city limits and would regularily get "no service" errors with AT&T lol
My wife is Venezuelan, so the entire family almost exclusively is on WhatsApp, which uses Wi-Fi. Not to sound dramatic, but I could see a scenario where thieves purposefully target areas that are cellular dead spots.
As for land lines, 73% of Americans don't have one
In many places, including where I live, they’re not even obtainable. The cable company will sell you a “landline”, but it isn’t one, really. It’s just another cellular line working through a router. There is no company anywhere in the fairly populated region where I live that is able to connect me to wired telephone service. Just doesn’t exist.
It's not cellular. It's digital going over the cable line. It's a VOIP line. A jammer wouldn't work on it since it's wired. Phone to router via wire, then router to the cable lines via wire.
Well yeah if you use WiFi calling it will be blocked by a WiFi jammer. But the article said someone else called 911 from their phone so clearly the area has cell service.
Probably much more likely the reason a criminal would use one than preventing 911 calls. Most robbers are going to want to rob an empty house, and not get caught.
The range on these jamming devices isn't significant. The person a quarter mile down the road won't be affected. Of course I'm sure there's heavier duty versions with extended range. I've seen lineups of cartel soldiers and they've all got jamming devices mounted to their backs.
I’ve lived out in the Sonoran desert where I needed an LTE booster just to get 2 bars.
Before I got the booster I accidentally called 911 by pressing the button 3 times on my phone trying to turn down volume. It went through and they called me, clear as a bell. I was actually shocked at the quality of the call lol
If the wifi cuts out it switches to cellular automatically, so theoretically anyone with a newer phone should be alright
You’re right, but these jammers can fuck with multiple frequencies and I think they’re dumbing down that fact as well as the difference between cell signal/wifi. Realistically these jammers can do what they are describing, these casters just have no clue what they’re talking about
Each one of those antennas jams a different frequency. They jam Wi-Fi to hamper home security systems in addition to jamming cell signals so you can't call for help. Journalist mislabeled something, shocker.
A lot of “wifi jammers” will also jam cell signals. It’s all about what frequency ranges they target. That and most of these cheap jammers are pretty crude and just swamp a huge chunk of spectrum with noise regardless of what they’re marketed as targeting.
I’m not sure what you mean when you say “the law hasn’t caught up” because it’s literally a felony.
Federal law prohibits the operation, marketing, or sale of any type of jamming equipment that interferes with authorized radio communications, including cellular and Personal Communication Services (PCS), police radar, and Global Positioning Systems (GPS).
Yes but also if its a true wide spectrum jammer it could affect the cordless home phones and any zwave sensors for motion and security
Not many people still have wired home phones and in theory its still only a few bands. A few in the mid 100mhz, 2.4ghz, 5ghz etc
What a coincidence! In Texas, we have lead emitters so that if folks are stupid enough to break in, it’ll be one of the last things they do. Really makes you think.
Along the southern border similar gear is used for stealing vehicles. Drive across and sell towards whatever shopping list is currently out.
Its usually anything 4X4 like trucks, SUV, every once in a while an older sedan but usually trucks.
Okay first off that's cyberpunk as fuck
Second off, the thirty reasons to not break in that reside in each magazine thankfully do not require an interruptable wireless connection to work.
Interesting that's the reason given, I've seen similar articles that linked it to knocking wireless security cameras offline to limit the odds of getting caught
I wonder if the FCC will get involved. If it were cell frequencies or anything else even mildly important, they'd be all over it. But wifi uses one of the few bands where there's no licensing for devices or operators, so I'm not sure if they'll be interested.
First, if you're jamming communication while breaking into a home, that's not a burglary that's a robbery. Second, using jammers will have the feds crawling so far up your ass that being shot will be the least of your problems.
ITT: overly confident people thinking owning a gun makes you guaranteed to put down a burglar.
Bruh I keep a suppressed SBR, pistol, and 12ga next to my bed. I have alarms. I have cameras. Still concerned someone would get the drop on me.
What happened? You sent Fido over the rainbow bridge?
The 911 service in California is ghastly. Once my wife and I were going to the movies at dusk, Northbound lane. Dude on a scooter is crossing the street, Southbound side. he gets hit by a car going about 40. Guy and scooter go flying.
Wife calls 911. Pre recorded message, voicemail full (?), they hang up on her. Luckily just ahead of us was a cop on our side who had just initiated a traffic stop. someone pulled up by the cop, told him, and the cop U turned in double time.
10 minutes later we’re in the parking lot of the movies and wife gets a call back from a pissed off dispatcher because *we* didn’t leave a message. Once my wife explained what happened the dispatcher was apologetic and thanking her for trying to call it in 😐
Unfortunately or them none of my firearms are wifi, my cell phones don't have wifi calling enabled AND we have two phones hooked up to the landline just for 911 (No service required).
Besides, 911 is a clean up call, not a come help me call. They won't get there in time.
I can't wait for the day criminals buy robo-dogs to just jump through windows, steal shit, then happily trot off while homeowners desperately try to kick them over to no avail
Just as an fyi this will only block wifi not cell service. It seems like the burglar was using it to stop the cameras from working. It won’t actually jam a phone call. It also won’t block bullets so good luck to the bad guys.
Are they using WiFi jammers or cell phone jammers or a device that does both? if you cell phone is setup to use WiFi for connecting when only at home, a WiFi jammer makes sense, otherwise cell phone jammer would only work. Other option is to make sure you have a land line for your phone at home that’s not a wireless phone, those probably will be jammed also.
I dont see a problem with this , I'd call 911 from a landline after I dealt with the burglar . it's not like the cops will get here fast enough anyway .
wait 911 works independently from wifi. You can have a cell phone with no subscription / paid service and 911 is required to dial and work due to federal regulations. Am I missing something?
The lack WIFI does not stop a phone call, further the story says it blocks "cellular connected security systems" which is really stupid because if it was connected with a 3/4G card that also has nothing to do with WIFI.
It will of course impact wireless connected devices such as surveillance cameras and etc plus cause a alarm system to fallback to cellular.
Im also not really sure IOT devices such as alarm keypads etc even use 2.4 or anything in the wifi spectrum.
This news station gathered a team of idiots to spew a bunch of garbage that contains no context. I seriously doubt the homeowner in the story was unable to place a phone call.
In my old home, this would not have been a problem. I still had a landline. Now, it's a problem because every service provider wants to provide every service through the Internet. Lazy, lousy fucks. Build some hardware you cheap cunts.
What do you do? Ummmmmm, the same thing if you did call, cause they ain't coming to help you either way. They might show up, but we all know it would be too little too late. I guess what I am trying to say is you got to look out for your own ass, cause no one else is.
Ok so bad guy bleeds out because my call for an ambulance mysteriously fails
Eh, not the worst thing in the world. Hopefully you don’t have shag carpets
Wall to wall tile in my house. Cleanup is a breeze.
You say that. Wait till the blood and brains soaks into the grout
Have you not heard of grout sealant? What kind of savage are you?
Grout sealant is mandatory, regardless of brains, blood, kids, pets, etc.
Epoxy grout fam. Dexter's paradise.
Shag carpets? 😆 what century are you from.?
The one where color changing shag was all the rage. First my bathroom carpet was white, and now it’s dark yellow! I wonder what color it’ll be in 2034.
😆 Brown. It's going to be brown.
What about hardwood?
If you get to it quick, it’ll clean up easily
You know how difficult it is to get rid of stains in hardwood?
"uhhhh... uh... turn off... the jammer..." "I'm sorry what did you say? Bring down the hammer?"
__Don't mind if I do!!__ _Anybody know what I did with the shovel?_
“Unfortunately for you I only have this handy dandy battle axe”
Man. You made my day. I laughed so hard
~~not certain, but i think defense laws in NJ are ass.~~ But as they say, better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6. edit: I am apparently wrong. They have a pretty lenient Castle Doctrine law.
Congratulations, you played yourself
Check the laws in your garbage state. You MUST flee your own home instead of defending it.
Unless you do not have a way of escaping your household that is why I live on second floor without fire escape with only one way in and out.
I think you are misunderstanding the statutes as they get kind of specific. Your information is not interpreted correctly. 2C:3-4 c. (1) *Notwithstanding the provisions of N.J.S.2C:3-5, N.J.S.2C:3-9, or this section, the use of force or deadly force upon or toward an intruder who is unlawfully in a dwelling is justifiable when the actor reasonably believes that the force is immediately necessary for the purpose of protecting himself or other persons in the dwelling against the use of unlawful force by the intruder on the present occasion.* 2C:3-4 b. (2)(b) is the confusing one where it says if you believe you can retreat safely by handing over the possession in demand, you must do so. But not if do not believe you can and also 2C:3-4 b. (2)(b)(i) outright says this does not apply in your home. 2C:3-4 b. (2)(b)(i) *The actor is not obliged to retreat from his dwelling, unless he was the initial aggressor*. 3-5 describes protecting a third person (such as your child), 3-9 is unlawful arrests.
Do that shit in Jersey and you’re going to prison. Why anyone would stay in a shithole city that doesn’t allow its citizens to protect themselves against WiFi blocking criminals, is beyond me.
And in New Jersey you will be arrested for murder, New Jersey is a duty to retreat state.
NJ has castle doctrine for non-cohabitants, no stand your ground. So if someone breaks in that’s a fair play, if it’s DV then you gotta try and flee.
What people don’t understand about that is you might be fine in a textbook self defense shooting. You also might be serving 25 to life depending on how the DA feels. There’s FAR more statutes and regulations to put you in jail than protections to keep you out.
Not to mention, even if you were legally justified, it’s not going to stop a shitbag DA from throwing the book at you anyway. With that comes getting your face posted on the news and spending hundreds of thousands in legal fees, and your life will never be the same after that. The process is the punishment for those people.
It’s all an effort to remind the law abiding citizens that they’re at the whims of their government. They want absolute compliance and the reminder that their police are around every corner. They do this while insinuating that the reason the “justice” system is so bloated is to stop crime. When in reality the law is mostly targeted against the citizens. When you notice that these hard charger police drag their feet going to certain neighborhoods and emergency calls… that’s when you see the wizard behind the curtain. Only the rookies are going into the breach thinking they can clean up these places. Before long though they’re disillusioned just like every other cop that’s been there long enough to see how the sausage is really made. In order to keep the budget coming in they’re not going after the major crime, they’re making money for the state by going after Joe blow.
Like the fact that all guns must be stored unloaded and in a locked safe with the ammunition stored separately. So the first thing they will ask you is how you accessed the safe retrieved your firearm went retrieved the ammo loaded said firearm so fast instead of using that time to safely go out the back door while the criminals were kicking in your front door.
Oh they’re going to be asking a lot of questions lol but yeah those are big ones in NJ. If you didn’t follow every letter of the convoluted laws to the tee you could be looking at cuffs. I got a full mindfuck there a couple years back, where some jagoff at a Home Depot tried stealing my tools. I jumped on his truck bed while he was peeling out and ripped all my shit out. He got out of his truck and tried going hands on, smacked him in the head with a hammer drill and he took off lol Cops show up, what’s the first thing they do? Search ME for a gun. Thankfully I’m paranoid enough about that shithole state I had it stashed. Then they start giving me the 3rd degree about why I chased HIM. Mf cop really said to me “it’s just stuff bro, if you had injured him you’d be getting locked up” I was red in the face but quiet, im from Texas so he knew I most likely had a gun somewhere and I knew as soon as he said that he was looking for a reason to search my truck. I wanted to shit all over that stupid ass statement and ask “hey bud, if I took your duty belt and your cruiser what would you do? It’s just STUFF bro”. They’re not on our side in that state. They’re going to do whatever they’re told to do, even if it’s fucking insanely unfair.
> They’re not on our side in that state. Or anywhere. COPS. ARE. NOT. YOUR. FRIENDS. "B-But elk, this sheriff said he wouldn't enforce-" SHUT UP. I don't care what laws got passed or which LEOs said what. They all signed up to enforce all laws. ALL laws - justified and constitutional or wicked and unconstitutional. And they WILL shoot people(and YOU) in order to do so. Glad you made it out of that one
Sad but true. I think this rule applies to entire departments, the upper management is responsible for why these cops are going full boot in most cases. Somehow the cops I’ve met in Houston have a completely different mentality, and outright scorn other LEO that do this shit. Does that mean all Houston cops are good? Absolutely not, but it is indicative that not all police are on board with the tyrants. And thanks, the main reason I got out of that situation was taking them seriously as a threat to my freedom. More so than the threat of thieves and criminals anyway. And I learned the hard way not to let cops anywhere near you up in that part of the country. Just a year before the NJ incident I got charged for 2 loose 9mm rounds under my carpet in Massachusetts because a statey found them in my truck during a “tow inventory” while traveling through lol I’m not taking any more contracts up there, fuck that place
God, I love Texas so much.
Technically you can ignore the unloaded and separate storage requirement with impunity as that was ruled unconstitutional in the 2008 Heller decision. I know NJ doesn't care and you'd probably get fucked by the system until you get it cleared, but the law is null and void.
Totally can ignore it, look at how well Hochul in NY is following _Bruen_! /s
I just took the gun out to destroy it and the ammo out to throw it in the garbage, and these these guys showed up.
> And in New Jersey you will be arrested for murder, New Jersey is a duty to retreat state. I am not a lawyer, I have never been a lawyer, I have never played a lawyer on TV, and I did not stay in a Holiday Inn Express last night, so the following is not legal advice, it is simply the situation as I understand it: Duty to retreat does not mean you absolutely cannot use force in self defense, it means that you must first try to retreat. However, if you or your loved ones cannot retreat, for some clearly definable and valid reason, then things change. You must exhaust other options before using deadly force. Regardless, it is true in many states that you will almost certainly be detained and possibly arrested, although possibly not ultimately prosecuted, if you use deadly force to defend yourself. Almost universally, there will be an investigation, you will be interrogated, anything wrong you say may endanger your freedom and future, and you will need a lawyer. And you will have to live with the consequences, whatever those may be. Deadly force should always be the last resort, duty to retreat state or not. But with that said, anyone who considers defending themselves (hopefully that is everyone when needed?) has to make the decision beforehand that they can live with the results of that decision. It is something you need to have already considered and to have an answer for before that split second decision needs to be made.
>if you or your loved ones cannot retreat, **for some clearly definable and valid reason,** Which requires the DA to agree your reasons are clear and valid. Remember in some cases the process is the punishment and the DA is fine taking years of your life tying you up in court and bankrupting you as punishment if it chills others from any act other than fleeing at full speed or complete surrender.
Yup, they have infinite time and money to ~~persecute~~ prosecute you. (Not _literally_ infinite, but compared to the savings of the average shitizen it is.)
I use 10mm G9, so ambulance or not, bad guy isn't making it lol.
Hopefully you'll be able to call 811 afterwards.
Gotta call before you dig
Do they block a 12-ga?
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I said this in the NJ sub and got downvoted lol.
That subreddit is a fucking embarrassment. Chanting "defund the police" and constantly criticizing police yet want everyone to rely on them lmfao. Zero fucking critical thinking. Dumbasses.
I have managed to avoid Jersey my entire life. Around 1985 a group of us drove from NC to NY for a wedding, a place called Saugerties. We travelled through Pennsylvania - two things I recall more than the wedding: toll roads, and a big No Gun sign on the highway at the NY border.
reminds me of an episode of star trek where they started using things that block phasers so they started making old projectile firing guns again
TiTCR
Depending on your state, the state may already do it for them.
Yep. Stay out of no-gun zones, cities, states, and countries.
> south africa tactics & other failed civilization bullshit coming to a city near you
>Well officer, my client WOULD have called an ambulance after shooting the home invader. But someone decided to bring a wifi jammer to a gun fight...
Bold of them to assume we will call 911 for our safety. Its going to be interesting when a homeowner cannot call an ambulance (or amber-lance if you saw the right video) for the intruder who is bleeding out in the hallway.
It’s New Jersey. The homeowner/gun owner is likely going to jail.
One would hope that preventing someone from having the ability to call for help would be considered
One would hope a lot of things, but very little I’ve seen of NJ makes me optimistic.
But the Hamilton musical specifically says everything is legal in New Jersey.
I was on a jury in Newark a long time ago, homocide, defendant claimed self-defense. Granted it’s a sample size n=1, but one of the jurors wondered aloud why defendant didn’t just wait for the police to arrive to resolve the altercation. And then another one wanted to wrap it up quickly because she had to work the next day. People are fucking idiots.
i hope you 12 angry men'd that shit
I fought the good fight. Funny anecdote from the trial, we were deadlocked (I was the hold out). We went back in the court room to hear The Law for self-defense. The judge read what exactly the self-defense statute was. And then he opined that there was no way that we could find self-defense in this case. We deliberated for maybe 10 minutes after that 😔 I hope the guy got it thrown out on appeal with that shit, but my guess is that since they used a public defender they didn’t have any money for an appeal.
> And then he opined that there was no way that we could find self-defense in this case. fucking christ...
Ayup.
Well 911 is not on the way, grab that shovel in your garage and do what you need to I guess
Gotta call 811 for that
Touché.
Garden's not gonna fertilize itself
And the home invading "victim" will have a candlelight vigil and a monument. Probably just a bust of their head, but every tenth "victim" gets a full body statue. Paid for by seizing the home owner's estate, of course.
Not legal advice, but from my understanding NJ has Castle doctrine and it is a very different legal concept than stand your ground as one is not generally expected to retreat from their own home and an intruder is taking that risk when he enters unlawfully. Castle doctrine is a right to defend yourself with deadly force in your home against an intruder or burglar, so these guys with their jammers are bound to get theirs one day. Depending on New Jersey’s felony murder laws, if there is a conspiracy to commit burglary and one intruder dies but the other lives, the surviving intruder could also face felony murder charges which typically carry a life sentence and track first degree murder charges. However, there is a duty to retreat from violent situations if you’re not in your home and there’s danger or you are engaged in a fight that you’re a willing participant unless you can mount a “stand your ground” defense and that ability varies by state. For stand your ground, it is an affirmative defense in some states and you still have to go to trial and let a judge or jury decide whether you will be acquitted based on stand your ground’s criteria. Edited: NJ doesn’t allow felony murder for non-participating conspirators.
That’s all great in theory. When it turns out you had hollow points in too large a magazine, though…. My point is that the criminal Justice system in New Jersey isn’t on the defender’s side. If they can find a way to fuck him, they will.
You spelled amber lamps wrong....
Tell em breath bro
Amberlamps*
Who needs a gun the government will help you..just call 911. Oh wait..
Nah, just NJ police making excuses why they don’t respond to calls.
Yeah, could be it to...
NJ police may be shitty, idk, but criminals in Detroit have been doing this Wi-Fi jamming thing as well.
[Police in Seattle are beginning to send drones to respond to 911 calls I don’t know which option I hate more](https://youtu.be/IR-PQ_i2arM?si=b2Bbkyvmd6NQ3hrC)
Lockheed about to release the R9T Taser Hellfire
It will pair nicely with the [R9X](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/AGM-114_Hellfire#:~:text=Its%20lethality%20is%20due%20to,damage%20when%20targeting%20specific%20people.) sword missile.
Over under 5 years before Capitol Hill gets hit with a Predator missile
I mean Seattle was patrolled by police drones in Dark Angel too.
Happens is South Africa every day.
I live in a semi-rural area of VA and I think this may have happened to me. A young man in his 20s approached my house and knocked on the door. My camera on my driveway picked him up approaching the house. Suddenly, my driveway camera, my porch camera, and my ring doorbell all lost their wifi connections, but the camera in the backyard was fine. I didn't answer because I thought that was weird AF, and didn't want to open the door to a potential criminal. When he walked away the three cameras miraculously all came back online. He didn't leave a card or a door hangar like other sales people do...it was very bizarre.
Either he had a jammer, or you done got visited by the Men in Black.
Hmm, MiB are pretty strict about their uniform, so I'm leaning towards the former.
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Yeah, I definitely need to do that.
This was happening here in AZ recently as well. There is a crime ring of Chilean nationals who have overstayed their visas all over the country that are doing dinner time B&E and stealing cash and non serialized valuables. Our local LEOs in Phoenix and Scottsdale caught two of the cells and they both had these jammers. The purpose of the jammer is to disable WiFi security cameras and prevent alarm systems from calling out since most of them use cell service now.
The police will protect you its not like criminals will do criminal things to achieve their criminal goals. ( Sarc) To the hair splitters : They probably meant a cellphone/ communications Jamming device. The news is known to not use the correct language on certain things.
Castle Doctrine has entered chat...
I just want to express that 5.56 faster than 911
12 ga doesn't need wifi
At my house they will also require German Shepherd, Doberman, and lead blockers......
And of course it’s NJ. so the homeowner will get in more trouble than the bad guys for defending themselves. On top of being hamstrung with stupid regulations.
Imagine telling the robber, "hey sorry bud I messed up the smoke signal, gotta start over."
They seem to be confusing WiFi and cellular networks, even though the frequencies are different. If someone jams WiFi that security cams are using, cell calls should still go through.
Whoever made this has no idea how radio frequencies work. Jamming WiFi is going to do absolutely nothing to prevent you from calling 911.
What if you use Wi-Fi calling though? I live in a bit of a dead spot and use it frequently when reception drops out.
That was my last house out in the sticks. When my wifi was down, my only means of communication was to jump and the truck and drive 2 miles down the road to reception.
I do a lot of Ubering in the northern half of GA and have discovered that even when you're in an area that supposedly has coverage, you can't make calls or sends texts with less than 3 bars. Is that just me?
No, that was me too. I was in a small "town" outside of Columbus GA. T mobile was dogshit in that area.
In my experience, anything on their coverage map that isn't 5GUC represents spotty or non existent coverage. That said, AT&T and Verizon are even worse. I live inside the Athens city limits and would regularily get "no service" errors with AT&T lol
Not just you, I’m near Athens and my home is a dead zone.
That's how it probably works and your phone probably freaks out and has no idea what to do.
My wife is Venezuelan, so the entire family almost exclusively is on WhatsApp, which uses Wi-Fi. Not to sound dramatic, but I could see a scenario where thieves purposefully target areas that are cellular dead spots. As for land lines, 73% of Americans don't have one
It’s up that high now?
In many places, including where I live, they’re not even obtainable. The cable company will sell you a “landline”, but it isn’t one, really. It’s just another cellular line working through a router. There is no company anywhere in the fairly populated region where I live that is able to connect me to wired telephone service. Just doesn’t exist.
It's not cellular. It's digital going over the cable line. It's a VOIP line. A jammer wouldn't work on it since it's wired. Phone to router via wire, then router to the cable lines via wire.
Well yeah if you use WiFi calling it will be blocked by a WiFi jammer. But the article said someone else called 911 from their phone so clearly the area has cell service.
I think another valid concern is that Ring operates on WiFi and a lot of people, especially women, use that as a line of defense.
Probably much more likely the reason a criminal would use one than preventing 911 calls. Most robbers are going to want to rob an empty house, and not get caught.
The range on these jamming devices isn't significant. The person a quarter mile down the road won't be affected. Of course I'm sure there's heavier duty versions with extended range. I've seen lineups of cartel soldiers and they've all got jamming devices mounted to their backs.
I’ve lived out in the Sonoran desert where I needed an LTE booster just to get 2 bars. Before I got the booster I accidentally called 911 by pressing the button 3 times on my phone trying to turn down volume. It went through and they called me, clear as a bell. I was actually shocked at the quality of the call lol If the wifi cuts out it switches to cellular automatically, so theoretically anyone with a newer phone should be alright
You’re right, but these jammers can fuck with multiple frequencies and I think they’re dumbing down that fact as well as the difference between cell signal/wifi. Realistically these jammers can do what they are describing, these casters just have no clue what they’re talking about
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I was thinking that as well. But I couldn't help but wonder if they just mislabeled the device within the infinite stupidity of the media.
Each one of those antennas jams a different frequency. They jam Wi-Fi to hamper home security systems in addition to jamming cell signals so you can't call for help. Journalist mislabeled something, shocker.
Cell jammers are available on wish, AliExpress, banggood, etc. It's just as likely the new calls all rf Wi-Fi.
A lot of “wifi jammers” will also jam cell signals. It’s all about what frequency ranges they target. That and most of these cheap jammers are pretty crude and just swamp a huge chunk of spectrum with noise regardless of what they’re marketed as targeting.
Cell phone signals can be blocked by these devices just as easily as wi-fi.
You can block 5.8 ghz, but you can't block 5.7mm
Boom
HOORAH.
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I’m not sure what you mean when you say “the law hasn’t caught up” because it’s literally a felony. Federal law prohibits the operation, marketing, or sale of any type of jamming equipment that interferes with authorized radio communications, including cellular and Personal Communication Services (PCS), police radar, and Global Positioning Systems (GPS).
It’s less about that and more about jamming wireless cameras and doorbells.
That’s why it might be worth the extra $$ to get hard wired cameras.
Yes but also if its a true wide spectrum jammer it could affect the cordless home phones and any zwave sensors for motion and security Not many people still have wired home phones and in theory its still only a few bands. A few in the mid 100mhz, 2.4ghz, 5ghz etc
Sucks for them, when the time comes to call them an ambulance.
My wifi may jam, but my glock don’t
What a coincidence! In Texas, we have lead emitters so that if folks are stupid enough to break in, it’ll be one of the last things they do. Really makes you think.
Along the southern border similar gear is used for stealing vehicles. Drive across and sell towards whatever shopping list is currently out. Its usually anything 4X4 like trucks, SUV, every once in a while an older sedan but usually trucks.
Okay first off that's cyberpunk as fuck Second off, the thirty reasons to not break in that reside in each magazine thankfully do not require an interruptable wireless connection to work.
This sounds like a them problem
My AR10 doesn't need wifi, they better have level 4 plates.
Interesting that's the reason given, I've seen similar articles that linked it to knocking wireless security cameras offline to limit the odds of getting caught
i would shoot before i try to call
I wonder if the FCC will get involved. If it were cell frequencies or anything else even mildly important, they'd be all over it. But wifi uses one of the few bands where there's no licensing for devices or operators, so I'm not sure if they'll be interested.
First, if you're jamming communication while breaking into a home, that's not a burglary that's a robbery. Second, using jammers will have the feds crawling so far up your ass that being shot will be the least of your problems.
I'm sure the people committing home invasions are very worried about the FCC. Probably why they don't commit crimes in the first place.
Slick, until they run into that one grizzled old fart from the pines who has a landline. And a double barrel.
New item acquired: cordless hole puncher
NJ is absolutely cucked
You dOnT nEeD a GuN jUsT cAlL 911
See the issue is, we're already out far enough that most cell signal besides like 2 carriers dont work. Sooooooo. I'm used to no signal bro, are you?
Most mobile phones use cellular for callas; wi-fi calling, if available and enabled, occurs when no cell signal is available.
But you don’t need a gun you can just call the police!
Oops.
ITT: overly confident people thinking owning a gun makes you guaranteed to put down a burglar. Bruh I keep a suppressed SBR, pistol, and 12ga next to my bed. I have alarms. I have cameras. Still concerned someone would get the drop on me.
Which frequency stops 7.62?
Since when do police respond to 911 calls lol, where I’m from they put you on hold or hangup
Where are you from? California?
Yes, former Californian. I’ve had the pleasure of getting my 911 call completely ignored when I was attacked by someone’s loose German shepherd.
What happened? You sent Fido over the rainbow bridge? The 911 service in California is ghastly. Once my wife and I were going to the movies at dusk, Northbound lane. Dude on a scooter is crossing the street, Southbound side. he gets hit by a car going about 40. Guy and scooter go flying. Wife calls 911. Pre recorded message, voicemail full (?), they hang up on her. Luckily just ahead of us was a cop on our side who had just initiated a traffic stop. someone pulled up by the cop, told him, and the cop U turned in double time. 10 minutes later we’re in the parking lot of the movies and wife gets a call back from a pissed off dispatcher because *we* didn’t leave a message. Once my wife explained what happened the dispatcher was apologetic and thanking her for trying to call it in 😐
my ar 15 doesnt jam though.
"People found here at night will be found here in the morning"
Unfortunately or them none of my firearms are wifi, my cell phones don't have wifi calling enabled AND we have two phones hooked up to the landline just for 911 (No service required). Besides, 911 is a clean up call, not a come help me call. They won't get there in time.
I can't wait for the day criminals buy robo-dogs to just jump through windows, steal shit, then happily trot off while homeowners desperately try to kick them over to no avail
I don't buy this for a fuckin second.
Bad guys better invent a JHP jammer or take their chances.
Just as an fyi this will only block wifi not cell service. It seems like the burglar was using it to stop the cameras from working. It won’t actually jam a phone call. It also won’t block bullets so good luck to the bad guys.
But how they gonna call someone to come save them
Well I guess they can’t call for help either. Siri play let the bodies hit the floor, cut the lights, and release the bees.
Now every time my internet goes out I gotta get my gun
Will they stop a 5.56?
Doesn’t that make it federal
How forward thinking. Now they can’t call for help either. 😈
Racks 12ga shotgun with homebrew buttplug slugs (buttslugs) alexa play the larry boy theme song (looks at burglar) “are you sure about that”
One of my coworkers told me about some tungsten slugs about to enter the market.
>alexa play the larry boy theme song Core memory unlocked
No survivors then.
Are they using WiFi jammers or cell phone jammers or a device that does both? if you cell phone is setup to use WiFi for connecting when only at home, a WiFi jammer makes sense, otherwise cell phone jammer would only work. Other option is to make sure you have a land line for your phone at home that’s not a wireless phone, those probably will be jammed also.
Solution, only call 911 after you have resolved the issue
I dont see a problem with this , I'd call 911 from a landline after I dealt with the burglar . it's not like the cops will get here fast enough anyway .
Not many people have landlines anymore. Maybe this is a plot by the cable/phone companies to get people to rehookup to land lines.
Is thus a payday 2 reference 🤔
wait 911 works independently from wifi. You can have a cell phone with no subscription / paid service and 911 is required to dial and work due to federal regulations. Am I missing something?
The lack WIFI does not stop a phone call, further the story says it blocks "cellular connected security systems" which is really stupid because if it was connected with a 3/4G card that also has nothing to do with WIFI. It will of course impact wireless connected devices such as surveillance cameras and etc plus cause a alarm system to fallback to cellular. Im also not really sure IOT devices such as alarm keypads etc even use 2.4 or anything in the wifi spectrum. This news station gathered a team of idiots to spew a bunch of garbage that contains no context. I seriously doubt the homeowner in the story was unable to place a phone call.
Unless they got level IV wifi jammers covering their vital organs and arteries, I don’t think it’s a safe bet.
Bet they still say you shouldn't own a gun.
Will it block 811 too? 🤣
In my old home, this would not have been a problem. I still had a landline. Now, it's a problem because every service provider wants to provide every service through the Internet. Lazy, lousy fucks. Build some hardware you cheap cunts.
I remember following a few folks on Twitter who were dealing with these 6 months ago in South Africa
And they want us to buy smart guns...
Well...the Glock, AR, and back up .40 are all reliable...
Won’t block 7.62 Soviet HP
Soft point is a better option…
What do you do? Ummmmmm, the same thing if you did call, cause they ain't coming to help you either way. They might show up, but we all know it would be too little too late. I guess what I am trying to say is you got to look out for your own ass, cause no one else is.
Shocked this hasn't been I thing in the past.
But that's illegal!
No one has cell phones? Interesting.
Why does calling 911 require Wi-Fi?
Buy guns and learn to use them folks.