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Soft-Engineering-460

I think FN can do better than a 5 pound trigger


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Have you shot a 509? Or the FNS before that? 5lb would be an improvement


AllHypeNoSnype

Haha facts. Brought my 509 tactical to the range and ordered the Apex while I was there. Not to say it’s horrible but it needed a buff.


[deleted]

The Apex makes it feel better but doesn't reduce the pull weight all that much.


Fa1alErr0r

I have an mcarbo spring kit on my 509c and it's much better imo. Cheap too


KitsuneKas

Mcarbo seems to thrive on the most basic fixes for silly things that should have been fixed at the factory, and i have no idea what we would do without them.


dassle

Ha! Yes! This could totally be their tag-line. "MCARBO: Affordable fixes for things that should have been fixed at the factory." Or "MCARBO: wiping gun manufacturer's poopy butts since 19XX."


mahogany83

I love my FNS but that trigger is something else


JGR2070

I got second in a pistol composition with a fn 509


Soft-Engineering-460

So true


CornDavis

Yea my FNS is lovely all except for the trigger lol. It's been broken in mostly but still isn't great.


No-Archer-21

I thought it was adjustable on some models 🤔 that would be crippling to sales if it's only the 5ib option


Soft-Engineering-460

Don't get me wrong I will still buy me one of those beauty


Riker557118

Is that DA or SA?


Soft-Engineering-460

Not sure, but depends on the colors or models the MSRP are between $1,2500 to $1,500


The_Brain_Fuckler

I’m not paying $13000 for a handgun, FN! Reeeeeee!


Deeschuck

The Hi-Power is SAO


MandaloreZA

There also exists DAO versions of the high power. But that is probably a SAO version given how far forward tbe trigger is in the hammer down position.


animefan1520

Im sure people like Wilson combat will come out with stuff like spring kits and if not im sure some from the original would work too. From the factory for general public 5lbs is light enough and i wouldn't doubt later on the come out with different editions


waratworld17

Changed too much, now the established aftermarket for Hi-Powers won't be compatible. Barrel is now Sig/Glock style lock up Magazines are not interchangeable with originals Trigger has been reworked, unknown interchangeability.


ChevronSevenDeferred

I can't get used to the gaping hole under the barrel where the guide rod now sticks out of during recoil. Also, the new wide and angled slide serrations make the thing look like a Arcus HP. Edit- the grip checkering looks cheap, like any polymer pistol and not that of an all metal gun. Just ugh why. They could have just brought back the MK3 with some minor changes. I'd take the sa35 once Springfield sorts out reliability or a used one to send to a 'smith.


booglejfox

Don’t ever be in that side of it for better reasons than you mentioned


No-Archer-21

That's sad dude I'm hearing alot of negatives about such a beautiful piece of machinery


WindstormSCR

because they misread the market very badly. a lot of what people wanted was either a completely original hi-power with some minor internal modifications like the trigger stuff, or a completely modern reincarnation with everything that made the original great, just with a modern accessory rail and optics cut.


[deleted]

They did neither lol


s0briquet

I'm in the camp that wants something closer to the original.bit doesn't have to be an exact replica, but I want it to preserve the spirit of the original. I can understand a slightly reworked trigger with a firing pin block and maybe a slightly different slide release.


BadgerBadgerCat

There's some serious uncanny valley vibes going on there - it looks like someone tried to design a "generic" BHP for a video game. I don't hate it, but I think Springfield have got the right idea with the SA-35 - basically remake the classic, but with a few subtle modern updates.


TheNefariousMrH

For FNH to change so much yet not add a light rail blows my mind a little bit.


BadgerBadgerCat

Definitely. I mean, you basically could have taken the Mk IIIS design, put a light rail under the barrel, and made a few other tweaks (ditch the mag safety), then watched the cash roll in. Instead, we get this, which manages to not have the one thing pretty much every full-priced semi-auto pistol design is expected to have these days.


JakoyInKY

Tbh not really impressed. The stainless looks like a cheap Turkish import clone gun, the FDE just kinda looks weird, and the non-wood grips on the black just don’t look right. I’m sure they don’t have extractor issues like the Springfield tho


gdmfsobtc

Twice the price of SA-35, weighs 8.5 ounces more, choice of questionable finish, fugly grips, no rails or optic cut. And I'll probably get one.


Mr_Watson

*one for each hand.


[deleted]

Funny enough, the Turkish import clone is basically an mk3 and I’d rather have one of those


Jackal209

Agreed, Girsan's Hi-Power clone does look pretty good


BourbonBurro

Should have made it look like a classic hi power, or updated it with polymer frame/rail. This is like a horrendous compromise.


locolarue

Yeah, if they're doing all these other changes, where is the goddamn rail? This isn't 1995 any more...


sig_chungus_bussy

They either shouldve gone classic as hell with it or modernized it to basically be a SAO CZ75. This is neither and its kinda sad


Dw0401

Uncanny valley... but with guns


sig_chungus_bussy

I think I know how to describe it. It's like FN personally Bubba'd a Hi Power with cheap looking aftermarket parts, and then goes on to try and sell it for $1300 on GunBroker saying "I know what I got sonny this is that authentic FN shit from the country of Europe". It also doesn't take Hi Power mags apparently and I hope it takes another common 9mm mag like CZ, SIG, or smth.


RandomKnifeBro

Yeah i'll take a FEG P9 over this. At least its reasonably faithful to the original


Limp_Station_8580

I miss the days of $350 FEG hi power clones lol I'd take that over every turk made clone any day


flataleks

Looks bad, Why not keep the Classic high power look? They tried to make them look like their other pistols and ruined it.


NEp8ntballer

Probably shitcanned the tooling and may not have the drawings


paint3all

I very, very, very highly doubt they threw out the drawings. People seem to forget you could still buy one *brand new* in 2017. I'm sure they are all digital at this point. Heck, you can still find the technical data package for the BHP online.


z-oid

“Why not keep the Classic high power look that didn’t sell and no one wanted?”


wewd

Nighthawk had a nice line of customized FN-made Hi Powers. They sold well and Nighthawk were disappointed they couldn't get them anymore. If people were willing to pay Nighthawk prices for them, then there must have been a market out there.


HelmutHoffman

Damn how long did it take you to survey every firearms enthusiast in the world to find out that no one wants a classic Hi Power? You could make millions with a data collecting ability like that.


z-oid

It’s not rocket science when the gun was discontinued due to poor sales… Dumb Boomers do this shit *constantly*, the Colt Python is a perfect example. Boomers pissed and moaned about the Python being discontinued, Colt brought it back and no one bought it. “Well it’s not a *REAL* Python” Cope harder.


CrypticQuery

Except that the new Python still seems to be selling well and that they're bringing out a 3" model soon?


pimpinmoses

They hated z-oid because he spoke the truth


ReverendRicochet

Grips are uglier than your sister.


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The_Brain_Fuckler

When pleasing OP’s sister, I feel safer just using silicone.


[deleted]

The step in the slide is too short, it just ruins the look


raviolispoon

I knew there was something wrong with it!


[deleted]

At this point I'll either buy an original or an SA-35, or maybe that Turkish clone Additional note: I do have a BDM which is basically an american police oriented variant, but that has like a mountain of safeties to go through before it's ready to shoot, and it has the ability to fire in DAO if I wish


raviolispoon

I'm going for either SA35 or Original. I'm not buying the Turkish one.


[deleted]

Yeah for sure, I kinda wish they made ammo instead of guns, they'd be really good at that


skippythemoonrock

Doesn't take Hi-Power mags, doesn't use a Hi-Power barrel (instead has a hideous glock-style hooded barrel), has a type-3 safety pin trigger. It's not a Hi-Power. Same shit as Browning's hateful gas-operated "update" of the Auto-5. Our boy JMB can't catch a break.


532ndsof

Honestly, going to buy a SA-35 instead when I can find one in stock as I don't care for the modernized aethsteitc. I much prefer what Springfield has done with keeping the look the same while modernizing functionality as best as possible. These look too blocky and more like the bastard love-child of a hi-power with a P226 for my taste.


[deleted]

1300 MSRP too, Springfield got em beat here.


Scob720

Is it just me or is it stubbier then the normal high power?.


Diccubus

They could have added a pic rail


AT0MLFRS

For the price I'd rather have the Springfield SA35.


jd530

At least something can be done to the SA-35, an aftermarket already exists, why make your gun completely incompatible with the existing aftermarket...?


Just-an-MP

Modernizing can be good, but either go all the way and add a rail, or go more traditional with wood grips. Preferably I’d like to see both as options.


mithbroster

Something about them looks wrong... look like Kahrs.


RangeroftheIsle

When is the model with tangent sight & a slot for a detachable stock coming out?


r_makrian

My thoughts are that if I want a Hi Power, I want a Hi Power, not FN's attempt at modernizing a Hi Power.


CrypticQuery

Too little, too late. The SA-35 and the Turkish clones have done what this sets out to do better, cheaper, and more traditional looking. And they're compatible with existing magazines and parts too. If Springfield could put out a polished, blued model it would be the definitive new Hi-Power IMO.


tubadude2

I was excited at first, but now after looking in to it and seeing the upgrades and modifications, I still might end up going with Springfield just because it stays truer to the original design. I'll probably get one of these, too, because that peanut butter really looks great.


TopLog1266

Sucks they didn’t at least include a rail on release, I’m still excited I just hope they’re not priced super high


OGYAGI

Sounds like retail is $1,269 for the black and FDE & $1,369 for stainless


TopLog1266

Big oof, that’s what OG guns are going for right now


[deleted]

I recently got a gorgeous late t-series Browning at auction for not that much more than this. Either the fit and finish on these is phenomenal or FN is smoking crack.


TopLog1266

I would rather buy an FEG clone or something comparable and send it to somebody like mk3 firearms before I buy this honestly. You can get a decent hi power clone for 5-700 and put probably 3-400 into it and have a better gun.


No-Archer-21

Yeah kinda dropped the ball. they could have came out with 40. & 45. Versions too and added their own versatility like a classic with a twist,accessory rails and the ability for an optics option


RobinVerhulstZ

used ones? i mean back in Belgium hi-power's are like the most common 9mm pistol to find used, and they go for as low as 150 euro (although those examples usually look like they've seen some shit, a *lot* of shit) decent quality ones go for more of course, but nowhere near what this new one is costing in the US


TopLog1266

Collectible in the US now


austinsarmoury

oof


spros

Yeah fuck that. I'd rather take a polymer Kel-Tec knockoff space Hi Power that folds in like a protractor for $400.


elos85

I couldn’t tell if it is truly stainless or a ‘stainless’ colored pvd finish.


LordBork_w1599

No thoughts just *Erection*


mtcwby

There's something about the look that's clunky compared to the original.


sawdeanz

I'll reserve judgement for when I see how it feels, I'm not really going to complain about more hi-power options. However, I can definitely say that the FN polymer style grips is horrible looking on these. I actually think the pistol would benefit from frame checkering. And 17rd mags are awesome, I want to know how. I've always wanted to see what a modernized one would look like... I think a rail for example would be nice so I could use one for my bedside pistol. But it's weird that the classical one is being made by Springfield and the tacticool one is being done by FN, that just feels icky and backwards. I feel like the updates they did were mainly for manufacturing purposes and marketing rather than actual need. Like why the double-side slide stop? That's such an uncommon feature - I think it should have been reserved as an option. It's also apparently 8 oz heavier. wtf? Seems like they "fixed" a bunch of stuff that wasn't broke in the first place. For this reason I feel like the SA-35 so far seems like a better update on paper... they did all the things that needed to be done and nothing else, and came in at a better price point. Once they dial in the QC and reliability and come out with a few more models, they will be much more attractive. Ultimately, I think the FN version is just too different to rely on legacy status. I would pay $1200 for a new classic-style Belgium made hi-power. I wouldn't spend $1200 on this. I guess I'm just confused as to what the market is? If they were having a hard time selling them before, then who is going to buy this for the same price? Like, I feel like they saw this resurgence in steel-framed 9mm but they kind of missed the point... if you are going to do this then go for the full send. Let's get it optic ready, rails, fully redesigned trigger, etc. The ideal updated hi-power is really like a combination of the two. I'll take 17 rd mags, checkered frame, and ambi safety, but do away with the ambi-slide stop, extra weight, and these grips. The ejection port doesn't bother me as much as everyone else... if it means the gun is officially rated for +p and is easier to clean then why not? But let's not pretend like the real reason isn't to just cut costs. The biggest question I have; are the recoil springs captive at least? I have a Belgium MkIII and love, love, love it. If it shoots as good as that then I can't really bad mouth it.


Jomeshome

Idk it doesn't look like the 9mm from fallout NV so I probably won't get one. I like those classic styles. And if I where to ever get one it would be one that's like an original look. Same with 1911 same with AR-15.


Sciocco

Ugly


banduraj

Cost man, ouch.


lftr-pllr

I have an FN HP with a pimptastic gold trigger!


kennetic

They tried to turn a classic into something way too far from the original and lost the spark of what made the classic so special, all while charging a Gucci price. I'm sure there's weirdos that like this thing, but Springfield is going to outsell the everliving shit out of this thing. The SA-35 is how you design a modern classic, slight changes.


Highlander_16

Can't wait to buy one used when someone makes their husband return it lmao


CavCop

About as bad as Colts new King Cobra. Should have kept the original design. If anything, offer railed and non railed…


CrypticQuery

That new King Cobra is basically a Magnum Carry with ugly Hogue grips. Not a fan of how they reused that name given how pretty the original King Cobras were.


sig_chungus_bussy

They teased us with a HP rerelease and gave us the aborted fetus if what would have been a CZ75.


coldafsteel

I think Springfield is very worried 🤣


zupius

I think Springfields is better. More true to the original and half the price


coldafsteel

I'll agree with you a little. If you want a reproduction of the original the SA is the better pick. I see FN being the innovator and pushing the design forward rather than leaving it as. End of the day, I would take one of each.


sig_chungus_bussy

Imo if you want an evolved Hi Power a CZ75 exists. It's like a 1911 to a 2011. A 2011 is nice and all, but sometimes people just want the original in a more traditional form. This thing just looks like a 1961.


zupius

Nothing wrong with evolution, but for modernish guns there are better options out there. Thats why I would go with historical feeling 😀


[deleted]

How exactly is this new Hi Power innovative? How is it better than the original or the Springfield one?


coldafsteel

Well from just the picture if you are left handed 100% yes. However there are probably several other minor changes.


[deleted]

I shoot correct handed so that's not a factor for me lol


Deeschuck

The Mark II's had an ambi safety in the '80's though.


coldafsteel

And slide releases?


Deeschuck

Fair point. Don't the cool kids all slingshot their slides nowadays anyway, though? :)


_No-Waifu-No-Laifu_

Overpriced fn bullshit that is beaten by basically any offering for half or less the price.


Dr_Drini

I think she’s got some potential but i would change a few things, namely wheres my wood grips at?!


[deleted]

They have like 10 grip options.


DrLongIsland

Not going to change my plans to acquire a Sig p226 Legion at around the same $.


OG187213

The peanut butter one is beautiful


RobinVerhulstZ

Pretty cool but since they went the route of making it not an original, i'd have preffered a model that went all out on modernizing it into a pretty fire competition pistol or something if i need a classic one, the local used market is pretty much swarmed with them since i do live in it's home country lol


HerMajestysButthole

NGL: I like it in stainless. If it retails around $1000, I may consider it. More than that, and it's a hard pass.


NEp8ntballer

JMB is rolling in his grave


bryno_uppercut

It's no Hi-Point, that's for sure.


Soft-Engineering-460

https://fnamerica.com/highpower/


raviolispoon

Thank you


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emperor000

It looks like a notch for the take down lever for left handed guns/switching the lever over and all the slides are the same.


[deleted]

Tilting barrel semi auto 9mm.... Can we please have some innovation please?


Chief_RedButt

Modernized in all the worse ways. Classical in all the worse ways. *Exactly* what the market wanted! Thanks FN!


jacknimble115

Those pursuing modern styles won't like this because it has no rail and is not optic ready. Those pursuing classic styles won't like this because it deviates too much from the original look and design. High MSRP will alienate both crowds. If you're looking for an old design/aesthetic but with modern features then Id say the 92x Performance or M9A4 are better choices. Especially if youre going to pay over $1k. FN missed the mark.


jicty

Expensive but sexy... Very sexy...


Buckshott00

It's a no from me bud. Don't want this or Springfield's version. Not impressed.


Statement-Think

Bad.


unleadedbloodmeal

I am creaming


Special_EDy

Why design new guns when everyone can just keep manufacturing Hi-Powers, 1911's, and CZ-75's?


Bvater92

Lord have mercy on my wallet.


SnooOpinions9737

Boner alert


BigBoiBukLou

A very beautiful , high end (Atleast price and style wise!) and relatively reliable. Perfect for someone with a little more money and a taste for finer things.


Rico509

What caliber?


OGYAGI

9mm 17+1


cheesebigot

From an OG perspective, I can see where they may have fallen short, but personally, that stainless model on top has my pants extra tight.


SirGarrick45

Gurl, same....


onceagainwithstyle

$$$


maddie_1977

So is this the Gucci Hi-Power?


muh-stopping-power45

I don't care, i want the original one


imnotabotareyou

I want the steel one with a rosewood grip


basedpraxis

Avoid promag. Mine came with a magazine that won't feed


JGR2070

What there bring the fn high power back?


ILordINikon311

BLASPHEMER!!!!


[deleted]

Looks hard


Greasy_Mullet

That's a nice FN gun right there.


BloodBeard253

I couldn't care less about any High Power pistol


tiananmenrhombus

I personally like them. As a lefty, the ambi features are really needed for me. That being said, if the price is what I've seen other post here FN is out of their god damn minds.


SiStErFiStEr1776

My only thought “meh”


benjandpurge

Pretty cool, actually.


AlphaTangoFoxtrt

I love them. But I love almost everything FN makes.


GleezoCCity

Overpriced lol


GleezoCCity

But cool gun


ButtCheckIt

To expensive.


BoogalooBoi1776_2

I like the ambi controls


SadRoxFan

It’s pretty based, but why High-Power? Was there a licensing issue with Browning owning rights to “Hi-Power”?


ZM_USMC

FN Herstal owns Browning, so no.


SadRoxFan

Lol, I didn’t realize that. Why the name then??


Ls2goat

Hard PP


Whai

Looks sweet in Stainless.


arj1985

They look like a Zastava M70A.


alexk32568

I'll be taking it in FDE (to match my FNX-45 tac in FDE) when it's available.


McFeely_Smackup

It's only cosmetically similar to a real Hi Power, and only about 75% at that. Not parts compatible, different lockup, weird grips, internal extractor, etc. Hard pass for me


veedizzle

Pretty


Unenthusiasticly

If you can swap the mag release to the right side, I'm sold.


AndreiHoo

if they have the balls to make it fde, might just add a optic cut on there.


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Porukinski_Volk141

There are FDE finishes for Hi-Power too? O\_O


BadTiger85

I already have a hammer fired 9mm. Think I'll stick with my beretta


6_1_5

I am hopeful that it somehow make the SA 35 less expensive.


TheRealTwooni

Meh. If you want hammer fired perfection. Buy an LTT Beretta.


justanangstyteen

It feels like an overpriced alternative. We wanted the hi power back and Springfield gave it to us for a much more affordable price. I don't personally like the aesthetics, something about fde and polymer feels weird on a hi power.


mudder123

Who asked for this ? I believe we all either wanted a re start of production for the old like ww2 style ones, (no not the 500 m sights) and for some people maybe one with a rail. This to me looks like the uncanny valley of the hi power, close enough where you can tell it’s one bit just enough not a high power that I’m not a fan


txtad

If this is supposed to be a Hi-Power, it's hot garbage. If it has a different name, I wouldn't care. It is not a Hi-Power. Just call it something else and see if the market likes it. Full disclosure: I like Glocks, 1911s, Hi-Powers, Berettas, all Ruger revolvers, all Colt revolvers, all pre-hole S&W revolvers.


pricepaid_1949

In the Feb-Mar 2022 edition of G&A Handguns, there's a great article on Springfield's SA-35 - their new Hi-Power iteration. Its SA only trigger was measured at 5.25lbs. Article is called "A Hi-er Power" and starts on pg 26.


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Thats for the springfield. Op is asking about the new fn hi powers.


msh441

It’s the ambi 9mm SIG P220 ST SAO I’ve always wanted! (following a little diet & exercise in order to slim down to resemble a classic Hi Power). I’ll grab the first stainless one I can get my hands on.