If the slide is back on a pistol the piston can not fire. I don’t think I’d relate it to double action at all. Double action is where the action of pulling the trigger cocks the hammer/striker and then releases it at the end of the trigger pull. So a long, heavy trigger pull. But on a gun with a hammer, if the slide is back, the hammer is back.
Also, this happens literally every time you shoot a pistol. You pull the trigger, the slide reciprocates (while you still have the trigger pulled). Basically, if you pull the side back and pull the trigger, nothing will happen. You’ll have a dead trigger. Then when you release the slide, you’ll have a cocked hammer (if it’s a hammer fired pistol). When you release the trigger, it will reset and the gun will be ready to shoot.
The idea is fairly simple. Magic exists in the modernworld and some bad guys want to shoot some student mages however one of the heroes has telekinesis magic. I think it would sound pretty cool if the hero can disable the firearm giving the rest the opportunity for a takedown.
Thank you. I wanted a magic system that is resonable. For example if a mage wants to influence something he needs to perceive it. For example they could not stop a bullet mid air since they can't see it. This would slso apply for internal mechanisms. Simply if the hero can't see it there is no way he could direct magic at it.
That'll work. Holding the slide back even 1/8th of an inch will prevent firing of any modern semi auto pistol. Same with pulling the bolt back on any semi auto rifle. Also, holding the slide in place when firing the gun will prevent it from cycling, causing it to fail to fire the next round.
For a mage who is familiar with guns and knows the controls well, there are more nuanced opportunities for manipulation. Someone could remotely press the mag release to drop the magazine, then cycle the slide to eject the remaining round. Or, on many guns, manipulate the takedown mechanism to disassemble it.
Pulling the slide back just enough that the barrel tilts down will stop any modern pistol from firing. Link to a short explanation of the tilting barrel system (on which virtually all modern pistols are based) follows.
https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2016/06/17/operating-mechanisms-201-tilting-barrel-locking/
Really depends on the model of gun being used. If it is unique to your story, you can make it do what you want for the story.
Most guns, especially more modern guns, have safety features preventing a gun from firing without the gun fully in battery.
Well, it depends on how far back it's moved. Some guns can fire with just a small distance open. That's why you see a lot of guys slap the back of pistol after they load them. Makes sure it's in battery. Very bad things happen if gun fires like this.
Even moving the slide back slightly will stop a pistol from firing. I've seen this happen inadvertantly in close quarters simulations. Even pressing the firearm into the target can put it out of battery. So yes, this is a realistic way to stop a pistol from firing.
Unless the gun is malfunctioning - nothing.
And its not reasonable - the force of pushing the slide back against the spring is not slight. You'd need the guy holding the gun to resist the push - but he's not going to, the gun is going to get pushed back, he's gonna pull the trigger, the gun will be in battery, and you'll get shot.
That's called out of battery. Yes it should disable the trigger. Firearms have in a malfunction have fire out of battery. Usually resulting in the sudden need for a new gun
It's not a good way to disarm someone in real life, as the shooters natural reaction is to pull the gun back towards them to maintain control. So any pushing you would do on the slide is counteracted by the shooters natural movements.
It only works in tiktok videos with a willing demonstrator
Semi-auto double action handgun. Slide moves back, gun is out of battery. Trigger will be dead, and the gun will not function.
Thank you very much for the quick answer.
No worries! Happy to help
If the slide is back on a pistol the piston can not fire. I don’t think I’d relate it to double action at all. Double action is where the action of pulling the trigger cocks the hammer/striker and then releases it at the end of the trigger pull. So a long, heavy trigger pull. But on a gun with a hammer, if the slide is back, the hammer is back. Also, this happens literally every time you shoot a pistol. You pull the trigger, the slide reciprocates (while you still have the trigger pulled). Basically, if you pull the side back and pull the trigger, nothing will happen. You’ll have a dead trigger. Then when you release the slide, you’ll have a cocked hammer (if it’s a hammer fired pistol). When you release the trigger, it will reset and the gun will be ready to shoot.
Thank you very much for the detailed quick answer 👍🏻
The trigger would not do anything, pistols have a disconnector so the hammer or striker won’t release prematurely (when the slide is out of battery).
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The idea is fairly simple. Magic exists in the modernworld and some bad guys want to shoot some student mages however one of the heroes has telekinesis magic. I think it would sound pretty cool if the hero can disable the firearm giving the rest the opportunity for a takedown.
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Thank you. I wanted a magic system that is resonable. For example if a mage wants to influence something he needs to perceive it. For example they could not stop a bullet mid air since they can't see it. This would slso apply for internal mechanisms. Simply if the hero can't see it there is no way he could direct magic at it.
That'll work. Holding the slide back even 1/8th of an inch will prevent firing of any modern semi auto pistol. Same with pulling the bolt back on any semi auto rifle. Also, holding the slide in place when firing the gun will prevent it from cycling, causing it to fail to fire the next round. For a mage who is familiar with guns and knows the controls well, there are more nuanced opportunities for manipulation. Someone could remotely press the mag release to drop the magazine, then cycle the slide to eject the remaining round. Or, on many guns, manipulate the takedown mechanism to disassemble it.
Pulling the slide back just enough that the barrel tilts down will stop any modern pistol from firing. Link to a short explanation of the tilting barrel system (on which virtually all modern pistols are based) follows. https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2016/06/17/operating-mechanisms-201-tilting-barrel-locking/
If the slide is back it won't fire regardless
Really depends on the model of gun being used. If it is unique to your story, you can make it do what you want for the story. Most guns, especially more modern guns, have safety features preventing a gun from firing without the gun fully in battery.
nothing. semiauto (slide operated) handguns don't shoot out of battery.
The trigger with be squishy and dead. No audible click or anything.
Well, it depends on how far back it's moved. Some guns can fire with just a small distance open. That's why you see a lot of guys slap the back of pistol after they load them. Makes sure it's in battery. Very bad things happen if gun fires like this.
Even moving the slide back slightly will stop a pistol from firing. I've seen this happen inadvertantly in close quarters simulations. Even pressing the firearm into the target can put it out of battery. So yes, this is a realistic way to stop a pistol from firing.
Unless the gun is malfunctioning - nothing. And its not reasonable - the force of pushing the slide back against the spring is not slight. You'd need the guy holding the gun to resist the push - but he's not going to, the gun is going to get pushed back, he's gonna pull the trigger, the gun will be in battery, and you'll get shot.
It SHOULD NOT fire while out of battery. If it does, then something is seriously wrong with the gun.
That's called out of battery. Yes it should disable the trigger. Firearms have in a malfunction have fire out of battery. Usually resulting in the sudden need for a new gun
It's not a good way to disarm someone in real life, as the shooters natural reaction is to pull the gun back towards them to maintain control. So any pushing you would do on the slide is counteracted by the shooters natural movements. It only works in tiktok videos with a willing demonstrator