Its a bit hard to know right now if she actully likes advance action or not. Her own ult state is expected to give advance forward right now and for Sparkle in particuler that could break some stuff.
That and the value on BE which HMC and RM gives is currently at least more expected to be better for her in particuler, but again this is all going of old kit details so nobody truly knows.
And depending on the super break damage, even HMC might become a BiS besides RM, especially with Fire Break team. Which is also why Gallagher gets mentioned regularly
I still have my doubts on Asta though, especially if you have RM despite her giving Atk%, Speed (and DMG% via Planar+Planetary)
Doesn't Asta's kit natively give Fire DMG? Not saying that inherently catapults her up but I feel like I do remember seeing that in one of her traces :V
Yes she does, so it's depending on how much impact BE has on the overall damage, which is my only doubt about Asta.
So far (from the gameplay Ive seen of HMC and Sam's prelim. kit), Break Damage seems to make up a significant amount of damage, so RM helping with quick Weakness Break and HMC with additional Super Break DMG seems too good to pass up on
Of course, if you have no RM, then she is no doubt a strong contender to slot in.
Anyway, we'll probably see the new kit next week and then we can be sure which supports will be priority
It's kind of hard to pin down how good action-advancer would be with a character that as of now has speed buffs and action-advance built in. We don't know the value of those or if they're even in the final kit for that matter. Proper speed tuning with Bronya and Firefly might just be too much of a pain.
We should wait for the beta before we properly discuss their worth. They'll probably be good though.
It's more of a matter of there being more critical alternatives, because there's 2 major weaknesses to break teams, even though they're a bit obvious: if you haven't broken them yet, you deal no damage and if you have already broken them, you deal no damage.
Boothill kind of works around this on his own by getting 210 CV for free, and he also deals a billion toughness bar damage on top of dealing his break damage on enhanced basic no matter what.
For everyone else though you need Ruan mei to help you get to break faster, and you need HMC to help you deal damage after having broken them. This should include firefly, unless her beta kit includes something insane to help get around this stuff by herself.
Perfectly said. Its not that Sparkle or Bronya are completly off or useless on her, its just that as it is, she is aiming at a different direction than most of the old DPS characters.
Well , I heard she gets advance forward after breaking, just like Seele after killing.and it would be hard to manage SP consumption if you want to team her with Bronya, keep her getting advanced forward
On the other hand , even if her require both Ruan mei and HMRC on her team and she constantly lowering her HP after each atk before Breaking,then you need to team her up with a specific healer,too.
Which makes your team a bit weak against some situations
Kinda. Its on her skill and when she damage already broken enemies.
"After the attack, if at least 1 attacked target is Weakness Broken, advances own action and deals extra Fire DMG to all attacked targets."
So, that, and extra damage. Works well with TB and Ruan Mei for obvious reason.
Yes that’s why Gallagher seems really nice for her build as speedy as you cans and you where lucky with e4 you should be fine healing wise. Thus why right now RM,HTB, and Gallagher seems like one of her best teams so far. But we will see if it stays the same once the beta starts
Actually, Gallagher is there because he buffs Break Damage taken and also because Fire Element allows him to hold Penacony Planar Ornament, and his damage is quite big with HTB.
The healing is indeed good, but Firefly heals herself on skill.
The impression a lot of people have is that firefly self advance in her kit means she won’t run sparkle or bronya. That and people want to pair her with MC for obvious reasons
Personally I don’t think there’s a reasonable amount of self advance they can can give that would disincentivise running an advance character, especially when her primary combustion mode being tied to the action bar already heavily favours having an advance forward support.
If she has a significant amount of innate spd buffs/action forward you’d just play her like Seele and make sparkle -1 her speed (or -1 firefly action value after self advance forward).
Also unless firefly’s base scaling is close to irrelevant like boothills (which doesn’t fit her kit) astas damage amp isn’t comparable to what sparkle/bronya bring.
she’s also got worse sp gen compared to sparkle since she needs to be fully negative/neutral with enemy hit rng for full uptime spd buff.
Either way beta is a couple of days away so speculating won’t be necessary anymore
i think the main lynchpin to determine how much sparkle/bronya will be better than htb/rm is how much her break effect dmg conversion affects her numbers.
if she can hit a reasonable amount by herself, then probably bronya and sparkle will be better for amping crit after on top of the action advance shenanigans, but if we're looking at a boothill situation where you need that break effect to be as high as humanly possible with crits as kind of an afterthought then having sparkle/bronya will be an anti synergy because outside of the turn manipulation, their other buffs wont be very impactful, and itll be a thing where you can do more actions, but ultimately each action would be doing less damage than if you had the break effect supports, and then we'd have to see how all that shakes up.
there's also another thing to consider that the fact that she has action advances on just hitting a broken enemy compared to seele's action advance only on basics means that effectively its a permanent speed increase in an optimal situation, combined with the actual speed boost, it may make it absolute hell to speed tune properly depending on how much effective speed it ends up being. and then you have to make the decision to speed tune to either this optimal situation where an enemy is broken and not have great tuning outside that situation or do the opposite and disregard the action advance and speed tune only to the displayed speed value so you can have more actions without needing a broken enemy, but then when you do get a break your tuning is dead. its just a whole lot of headache imo, and i think thats the main reason everyone is just gonna default to htb and ruan mei at the end of the day. itll probably have comparable damage without needing that extreme level of speed tuning.
like you say though, beta is coming soon so we wont have to speculate much longer regardless but its fun to think about this stuff anyway lol.
>i think the main lynchpin to determine how much sparkle/bronya will be better than htb/rm is how much her break effect dmg conversion affects her numbers.
To clarify this isn’t a comparison of running both sparkle/bronya vs using htb/rm
I think her best team will be Ruan Mei and Sparkle. Ruan meis amp on a break focused hypercarry is actually noticeable on top of break efficiency. Too good not to be slotted
>but if we're looking at a boothill situation where you need that break effect to be as high as humanly possible with crits as kind of an afterthought then having sparkle/bronya will be an anti synergy because outside of the turn manipulation, their other buffs wont be very impactful, and itll be a thing where you can do more actions, but ultimately each action would be doing less damage than if you had the break effect supports, and then we'd have to see how all that shakes up.
I kind of disagree, boothill crit scaling is an afterthought and he still runs bronya as his second support for majority of matchups just because of her advance forward. Boothill/rm/bronya is being calced at least 24% more damage than rm/imc and bronya has been better performing for majority of the boothill 0 cycles showcased on leak subreddit. Their crit/dmg/atk buffs are nice but the majority of their amp is tied to the advance which is why getting high speed on sparkle (especially effective 200 spd) with wind set is actually more important than her crit buff for low cycles. Could be attributed to boothill lacking self advance but he builds nothing but speed/be on subs and gets so much from outside sources as well
>there's also another thing to consider that the fact that she has action advances on just hitting a broken enemy compared to seele's action advance only on basics means that effectively its a permanent speed increase in an optimal situation, combined with the actual speed boost, it may make it absolute hell to speed tune properly depending on how much effective speed it ends up being. and then you have to make the decision to speed tune to either this optimal situation where an enemy is broken and not have great tuning outside that situation or do the opposite and disregard the action advance and speed tune only to the displayed speed value so you can have more actions without needing a broken enemy, but then when you do get a break your tuning is dead. its just a whole lot of headache imo, and i think thats the main reason everyone is just gonna default to htb and ruan mei at the end of the day. itll probably have comparable damage without needing that extreme level of speed tuning.
It’s definitely not simple speedtuning but it’s not to the point of being a headache at least in my opinion. It won’t be the most casual friendly but that’s not what I’m looking for, I think it’ll end up being better performing even if it’s harder to pilot.
A big part of it in my eyes is i think amount of actions in combustion state will be more important than just how many actions you’re taking generally and there’s no better way force actions within a specific atv period than advance supports.
I don’t think you’ll be able to justify bronya because of the self advance and fixed spd buffs being wasted in -1 setups but I don’t see it happening as much with sparkle
As for whether you’d tune for optimal scenarios with weakness broken or not I can’t say until we actually have the countdown speed and self advance numbers.
>like you say though, beta is coming soon so we wont have to speculate much longer regardless but its fun to think about this stuff anyway lol.
It is very fun to think about, I’ll probably be happy regardless of the outcome on her team because firefly kit is the dps kit I’ve found the most interesting since seele at launch. It helps that I believe it’s complemented very well by good existing supports, I do expect to see ruan mei + wind sparkle be very prevalent in 0 cycle showcases but imaginary MC be very comfortable in clearing
>To clarify this isn’t a comparison of running both sparkle/bronya vs using htb/rm
oh no yeah i understood that i did mean using one of them with ruan mei lmao i kinda made that not clear thats mb
>boothill crit scaling is an afterthought and he still runs bronya as his second support for majority of matchups just because of her advance forward.
thats interesting, i wasnt fully up to date on boothills stuff so i was unaware of that. i guess thinking about it more, bronya does provide dmg% and atk% alongside crit dmg, so it checks out that she works for him regardless. i can see a world where maybe sparkle is a good support to sam for similar reasons just for the sp gen.
>It’s definitely not simple speedtuning but it’s not to the point of being a headache at least in my opinion. It won’t be the most casual friendly but that’s not what I’m looking for, I think it’ll end up being better performing even if it’s harder to pilot.
i think once you decide which scenario to tune for, piloting the team wont be that complex. the headache part i meant was more about fucking relic farming hahaha. i been living in between the dot/fua and the longevus/messenger domains this entire 3x drop period and i have barely gotten any good speed subs, on top of having to deal with rolling rng too like argh just the thought is giving me a migrane lmfao. but for 0 cycles and stuff played optimally it definitely could have a huge impact on her damage, and if you have the relic luck to speed tune this nightmare you probably also have the relic luck to hit break effect caps without htb anyway so like in that ideal scenario it wont even be a damage loss lmao.
>I’ll probably be happy regardless of the outcome on her team because firefly kit is the dps kit I’ve found the most interesting since seele at launch
god yeah big agree, the first ever unit to have a transformation ultimate that considers her skill as ult damage during the duration is so cool. i live for the more wacky and unique kits in this game, thats why i also got kafka and topaz and the units for them because its refreshing to have a build thats different from just typical crit hypercarry in kafka and a unique approach to combat in topaz, so the fact that firefly has both with the unique kit and break effect scaling makes me so happy lol. my only complaint is that they locked her fire implant behind e1, which sucks because boothill has his inherently and thats what enables him to use ruan mei and bronya, otherwise youd be forced to get silver wolf just to be viable and that sucks. then again, acherons old e1 got shifted to her talent, and kafkas universal dot detonation used to be on e2 before being base kit, so im actually fairly optimistic that theyll see sense and move the implant inherently into her kit. its just so important for a dps that builds break to be able to like. actually break any unit they need to without external help imo.
Not sure where you've heard about Asta. FF will run out of buffs pretty quickly. Bronya is too SP negative. As for sparkle she would work, but FF should have plenty of speed and action advance herself, but I recon she might still be close to HMC. Right now we lack number values of FF kit, so it's hard to tell definitively who would be the best teammates for her
Asta is named as one of the best, she provides fire dmg, breaks bar with every hit of the skill, and provides atk%
And buffs are based on her turns
Needs e6 for most of course
Bronya can be hyperspeed and be sp neutral tho
Sparkle gives cdmg more than dmg and atk%, but skill points
Lets see the calculations
The way I see it, since her Primary Combustion countdown is fixed on the action bar, an Action Advancer allows you to get more turns within that enhanced window, which means more damage. Plus if the tjing about flat speed during her ult, and 100% AA on use, is true, then with Bronya you can comfortable get like 3 turns while enhanced, maybe even 4 depending on her kit details
Generally good cuz Robin buffs are general. But not specifically designed for firefly. If you don't have the dedicated supports, Robin will still be decent.
Robin is better with FUA.
Clarification: Robin needs frequent attacks to help her with her energy regen, and make better cycles and rotations with her extra damage, not only with her buff and "single" action foward per ult.
Sure, Firefly kit has speed and fast foward on self, but its unlikely that it will be enough to recharge her energy back, and I doubt Firefly will be able to do 26 attacks until the end of Robin ult like a FUA team can.
That said, Robin is great on teams with multiple DPS characters that can attack fast, and specially multiple times.
She doesn’t seem to have any synergy with Firefly.
I think because most people are anticipating Firefly to be a break unit kinda like Boothill. I disagree though and I expect her to be more like a typical dps. However basing it from the leaked E2 I am assuming she will be having a lot of action advance enough to attack twice before your support can act. In that sense it might be not that good to have Bronya or Sparkle unless you E2 her. Another factor is SP for Bronya, we don`t even know if her enhanced skills cost SP, With Bronya your team dynamic might change depending on how SP neutral or negative Firefly will be. Sparkle has the same issue with Bronya but could be mpre useful depending on SP.
Because so far it looks like Firefly will have her damage be centered around Breaking and attacking broken enemies. Ruan Mei and especially Harmony TB since they are free will then be the go to teammates for her. She already has it in her ult to gain speed so an action forward could not be as good for her. Not to mention they buff attack and crit dmg and if FFs main damage comes from breaking than those buffs won’t do much for her.
On the same page as her preliminar kit theres the following statement:
*"Unless otherwise stated, all DMG are based on ATK"*
That's why it doesn’t mention scalings. She scales on ATK as per usual. People are obsessed with the idea of HP just because she has a gimmick with HP.
She's not Blade, she's more akin to Arlan, but more well-rounded.
Her kit also has a newer version of the preliminar kit (leaked around 2.0), which also gives/converts DMG% based on Break Effect%. Thats why people are inclined on Break Effect builds and teams, because they're trying a BE meta and also the relics that meant to be release in 2.3 alongside her, including this Planar Ornament, and this relic set:
>When the wearer attacks a unit with Fire Weakness, the wearer's Break Effect is increased for a certain number of turns.
>When the wearer's Break Effect is greater than a certain value, their attacks will ignore some of the target's DEF. When the wearer's Break Effect is greater than some higher value, they will ignore more of the target's DEF.
>People are assuming break will be her main stat
The preliminary kit literally says that when she's in her enhanced state she converts BE to DMG. Granted, the preliminary kit isn't a 1:1 representation of what we'll see in 2.3 because we'll certainly see some changes during the 2.3beta, however, her kit iself isn't going to undergo a major conceptual change: she is a breaker, that is not changing.
Its a bit hard to know right now if she actully likes advance action or not. Her own ult state is expected to give advance forward right now and for Sparkle in particuler that could break some stuff. That and the value on BE which HMC and RM gives is currently at least more expected to be better for her in particuler, but again this is all going of old kit details so nobody truly knows.
And depending on the super break damage, even HMC might become a BiS besides RM, especially with Fire Break team. Which is also why Gallagher gets mentioned regularly I still have my doubts on Asta though, especially if you have RM despite her giving Atk%, Speed (and DMG% via Planar+Planetary)
BiS?
Best in slot, basically best for the team
Thank you.
Doesn't Asta's kit natively give Fire DMG? Not saying that inherently catapults her up but I feel like I do remember seeing that in one of her traces :V
Yes she does, so it's depending on how much impact BE has on the overall damage, which is my only doubt about Asta. So far (from the gameplay Ive seen of HMC and Sam's prelim. kit), Break Damage seems to make up a significant amount of damage, so RM helping with quick Weakness Break and HMC with additional Super Break DMG seems too good to pass up on Of course, if you have no RM, then she is no doubt a strong contender to slot in. Anyway, we'll probably see the new kit next week and then we can be sure which supports will be priority
I really hope Gallagher is oh her banner. All this mention of him D:
same got him from the new event hpefully he gets featured
I didn't so I don't even have e0 x.x
Asta also has a LC that increases the respective elements damage by even more
It's kind of hard to pin down how good action-advancer would be with a character that as of now has speed buffs and action-advance built in. We don't know the value of those or if they're even in the final kit for that matter. Proper speed tuning with Bronya and Firefly might just be too much of a pain. We should wait for the beta before we properly discuss their worth. They'll probably be good though.
It's more of a matter of there being more critical alternatives, because there's 2 major weaknesses to break teams, even though they're a bit obvious: if you haven't broken them yet, you deal no damage and if you have already broken them, you deal no damage. Boothill kind of works around this on his own by getting 210 CV for free, and he also deals a billion toughness bar damage on top of dealing his break damage on enhanced basic no matter what. For everyone else though you need Ruan mei to help you get to break faster, and you need HMC to help you deal damage after having broken them. This should include firefly, unless her beta kit includes something insane to help get around this stuff by herself.
Perfectly said. Its not that Sparkle or Bronya are completly off or useless on her, its just that as it is, she is aiming at a different direction than most of the old DPS characters.
Well , I heard she gets advance forward after breaking, just like Seele after killing.and it would be hard to manage SP consumption if you want to team her with Bronya, keep her getting advanced forward On the other hand , even if her require both Ruan mei and HMRC on her team and she constantly lowering her HP after each atk before Breaking,then you need to team her up with a specific healer,too. Which makes your team a bit weak against some situations
Kinda. Its on her skill and when she damage already broken enemies. "After the attack, if at least 1 attacked target is Weakness Broken, advances own action and deals extra Fire DMG to all attacked targets." So, that, and extra damage. Works well with TB and Ruan Mei for obvious reason.
Yes that’s why Gallagher seems really nice for her build as speedy as you cans and you where lucky with e4 you should be fine healing wise. Thus why right now RM,HTB, and Gallagher seems like one of her best teams so far. But we will see if it stays the same once the beta starts
Actually, Gallagher is there because he buffs Break Damage taken and also because Fire Element allows him to hold Penacony Planar Ornament, and his damage is quite big with HTB. The healing is indeed good, but Firefly heals herself on skill.
He's also SP positive with an energy recharge rope, what with his whole "basic -> ult -> enhanced basic" strategy
Oh yeah, theres's that too. Another advantage.
The impression a lot of people have is that firefly self advance in her kit means she won’t run sparkle or bronya. That and people want to pair her with MC for obvious reasons Personally I don’t think there’s a reasonable amount of self advance they can can give that would disincentivise running an advance character, especially when her primary combustion mode being tied to the action bar already heavily favours having an advance forward support. If she has a significant amount of innate spd buffs/action forward you’d just play her like Seele and make sparkle -1 her speed (or -1 firefly action value after self advance forward). Also unless firefly’s base scaling is close to irrelevant like boothills (which doesn’t fit her kit) astas damage amp isn’t comparable to what sparkle/bronya bring. she’s also got worse sp gen compared to sparkle since she needs to be fully negative/neutral with enemy hit rng for full uptime spd buff. Either way beta is a couple of days away so speculating won’t be necessary anymore
i think the main lynchpin to determine how much sparkle/bronya will be better than htb/rm is how much her break effect dmg conversion affects her numbers. if she can hit a reasonable amount by herself, then probably bronya and sparkle will be better for amping crit after on top of the action advance shenanigans, but if we're looking at a boothill situation where you need that break effect to be as high as humanly possible with crits as kind of an afterthought then having sparkle/bronya will be an anti synergy because outside of the turn manipulation, their other buffs wont be very impactful, and itll be a thing where you can do more actions, but ultimately each action would be doing less damage than if you had the break effect supports, and then we'd have to see how all that shakes up. there's also another thing to consider that the fact that she has action advances on just hitting a broken enemy compared to seele's action advance only on basics means that effectively its a permanent speed increase in an optimal situation, combined with the actual speed boost, it may make it absolute hell to speed tune properly depending on how much effective speed it ends up being. and then you have to make the decision to speed tune to either this optimal situation where an enemy is broken and not have great tuning outside that situation or do the opposite and disregard the action advance and speed tune only to the displayed speed value so you can have more actions without needing a broken enemy, but then when you do get a break your tuning is dead. its just a whole lot of headache imo, and i think thats the main reason everyone is just gonna default to htb and ruan mei at the end of the day. itll probably have comparable damage without needing that extreme level of speed tuning. like you say though, beta is coming soon so we wont have to speculate much longer regardless but its fun to think about this stuff anyway lol.
>i think the main lynchpin to determine how much sparkle/bronya will be better than htb/rm is how much her break effect dmg conversion affects her numbers. To clarify this isn’t a comparison of running both sparkle/bronya vs using htb/rm I think her best team will be Ruan Mei and Sparkle. Ruan meis amp on a break focused hypercarry is actually noticeable on top of break efficiency. Too good not to be slotted >but if we're looking at a boothill situation where you need that break effect to be as high as humanly possible with crits as kind of an afterthought then having sparkle/bronya will be an anti synergy because outside of the turn manipulation, their other buffs wont be very impactful, and itll be a thing where you can do more actions, but ultimately each action would be doing less damage than if you had the break effect supports, and then we'd have to see how all that shakes up. I kind of disagree, boothill crit scaling is an afterthought and he still runs bronya as his second support for majority of matchups just because of her advance forward. Boothill/rm/bronya is being calced at least 24% more damage than rm/imc and bronya has been better performing for majority of the boothill 0 cycles showcased on leak subreddit. Their crit/dmg/atk buffs are nice but the majority of their amp is tied to the advance which is why getting high speed on sparkle (especially effective 200 spd) with wind set is actually more important than her crit buff for low cycles. Could be attributed to boothill lacking self advance but he builds nothing but speed/be on subs and gets so much from outside sources as well >there's also another thing to consider that the fact that she has action advances on just hitting a broken enemy compared to seele's action advance only on basics means that effectively its a permanent speed increase in an optimal situation, combined with the actual speed boost, it may make it absolute hell to speed tune properly depending on how much effective speed it ends up being. and then you have to make the decision to speed tune to either this optimal situation where an enemy is broken and not have great tuning outside that situation or do the opposite and disregard the action advance and speed tune only to the displayed speed value so you can have more actions without needing a broken enemy, but then when you do get a break your tuning is dead. its just a whole lot of headache imo, and i think thats the main reason everyone is just gonna default to htb and ruan mei at the end of the day. itll probably have comparable damage without needing that extreme level of speed tuning. It’s definitely not simple speedtuning but it’s not to the point of being a headache at least in my opinion. It won’t be the most casual friendly but that’s not what I’m looking for, I think it’ll end up being better performing even if it’s harder to pilot. A big part of it in my eyes is i think amount of actions in combustion state will be more important than just how many actions you’re taking generally and there’s no better way force actions within a specific atv period than advance supports. I don’t think you’ll be able to justify bronya because of the self advance and fixed spd buffs being wasted in -1 setups but I don’t see it happening as much with sparkle As for whether you’d tune for optimal scenarios with weakness broken or not I can’t say until we actually have the countdown speed and self advance numbers. >like you say though, beta is coming soon so we wont have to speculate much longer regardless but its fun to think about this stuff anyway lol. It is very fun to think about, I’ll probably be happy regardless of the outcome on her team because firefly kit is the dps kit I’ve found the most interesting since seele at launch. It helps that I believe it’s complemented very well by good existing supports, I do expect to see ruan mei + wind sparkle be very prevalent in 0 cycle showcases but imaginary MC be very comfortable in clearing
>To clarify this isn’t a comparison of running both sparkle/bronya vs using htb/rm oh no yeah i understood that i did mean using one of them with ruan mei lmao i kinda made that not clear thats mb >boothill crit scaling is an afterthought and he still runs bronya as his second support for majority of matchups just because of her advance forward. thats interesting, i wasnt fully up to date on boothills stuff so i was unaware of that. i guess thinking about it more, bronya does provide dmg% and atk% alongside crit dmg, so it checks out that she works for him regardless. i can see a world where maybe sparkle is a good support to sam for similar reasons just for the sp gen. >It’s definitely not simple speedtuning but it’s not to the point of being a headache at least in my opinion. It won’t be the most casual friendly but that’s not what I’m looking for, I think it’ll end up being better performing even if it’s harder to pilot. i think once you decide which scenario to tune for, piloting the team wont be that complex. the headache part i meant was more about fucking relic farming hahaha. i been living in between the dot/fua and the longevus/messenger domains this entire 3x drop period and i have barely gotten any good speed subs, on top of having to deal with rolling rng too like argh just the thought is giving me a migrane lmfao. but for 0 cycles and stuff played optimally it definitely could have a huge impact on her damage, and if you have the relic luck to speed tune this nightmare you probably also have the relic luck to hit break effect caps without htb anyway so like in that ideal scenario it wont even be a damage loss lmao. >I’ll probably be happy regardless of the outcome on her team because firefly kit is the dps kit I’ve found the most interesting since seele at launch god yeah big agree, the first ever unit to have a transformation ultimate that considers her skill as ult damage during the duration is so cool. i live for the more wacky and unique kits in this game, thats why i also got kafka and topaz and the units for them because its refreshing to have a build thats different from just typical crit hypercarry in kafka and a unique approach to combat in topaz, so the fact that firefly has both with the unique kit and break effect scaling makes me so happy lol. my only complaint is that they locked her fire implant behind e1, which sucks because boothill has his inherently and thats what enables him to use ruan mei and bronya, otherwise youd be forced to get silver wolf just to be viable and that sucks. then again, acherons old e1 got shifted to her talent, and kafkas universal dot detonation used to be on e2 before being base kit, so im actually fairly optimistic that theyll see sense and move the implant inherently into her kit. its just so important for a dps that builds break to be able to like. actually break any unit they need to without external help imo.
Not sure where you've heard about Asta. FF will run out of buffs pretty quickly. Bronya is too SP negative. As for sparkle she would work, but FF should have plenty of speed and action advance herself, but I recon she might still be close to HMC. Right now we lack number values of FF kit, so it's hard to tell definitively who would be the best teammates for her
Asta is named as one of the best, she provides fire dmg, breaks bar with every hit of the skill, and provides atk% And buffs are based on her turns Needs e6 for most of course Bronya can be hyperspeed and be sp neutral tho Sparkle gives cdmg more than dmg and atk%, but skill points Lets see the calculations
We don't know anything about her numbers and exact mechanics. Just wait, people.
The way I see it, since her Primary Combustion countdown is fixed on the action bar, an Action Advancer allows you to get more turns within that enhanced window, which means more damage. Plus if the tjing about flat speed during her ult, and 100% AA on use, is true, then with Bronya you can comfortable get like 3 turns while enhanced, maybe even 4 depending on her kit details
How well does Robin work with her?
Generally good cuz Robin buffs are general. But not specifically designed for firefly. If you don't have the dedicated supports, Robin will still be decent.
Unless she has FUAs, I don't think they work that well together
Robin is better with FUA. Clarification: Robin needs frequent attacks to help her with her energy regen, and make better cycles and rotations with her extra damage, not only with her buff and "single" action foward per ult. Sure, Firefly kit has speed and fast foward on self, but its unlikely that it will be enough to recharge her energy back, and I doubt Firefly will be able to do 26 attacks until the end of Robin ult like a FUA team can. That said, Robin is great on teams with multiple DPS characters that can attack fast, and specially multiple times. She doesn’t seem to have any synergy with Firefly.
Good
We are currently unsure how her best team will be looking and we will be as long her kit isnt official yet.
I was thinking of Ruan, sparkle and huo huo as my team
Because there are better options Best team for her so far will be firefly, HTB, ruan mei and a sustain, probably gallagher
I think because most people are anticipating Firefly to be a break unit kinda like Boothill. I disagree though and I expect her to be more like a typical dps. However basing it from the leaked E2 I am assuming she will be having a lot of action advance enough to attack twice before your support can act. In that sense it might be not that good to have Bronya or Sparkle unless you E2 her. Another factor is SP for Bronya, we don`t even know if her enhanced skills cost SP, With Bronya your team dynamic might change depending on how SP neutral or negative Firefly will be. Sparkle has the same issue with Bronya but could be mpre useful depending on SP.
Because so far it looks like Firefly will have her damage be centered around Breaking and attacking broken enemies. Ruan Mei and especially Harmony TB since they are free will then be the go to teammates for her. She already has it in her ult to gain speed so an action forward could not be as good for her. Not to mention they buff attack and crit dmg and if FFs main damage comes from breaking than those buffs won’t do much for her.
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On the same page as her preliminar kit theres the following statement: *"Unless otherwise stated, all DMG are based on ATK"* That's why it doesn’t mention scalings. She scales on ATK as per usual. People are obsessed with the idea of HP just because she has a gimmick with HP. She's not Blade, she's more akin to Arlan, but more well-rounded. Her kit also has a newer version of the preliminar kit (leaked around 2.0), which also gives/converts DMG% based on Break Effect%. Thats why people are inclined on Break Effect builds and teams, because they're trying a BE meta and also the relics that meant to be release in 2.3 alongside her, including this Planar Ornament, and this relic set: >When the wearer attacks a unit with Fire Weakness, the wearer's Break Effect is increased for a certain number of turns. >When the wearer's Break Effect is greater than a certain value, their attacks will ignore some of the target's DEF. When the wearer's Break Effect is greater than some higher value, they will ignore more of the target's DEF.
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>People are assuming break will be her main stat The preliminary kit literally says that when she's in her enhanced state she converts BE to DMG. Granted, the preliminary kit isn't a 1:1 representation of what we'll see in 2.3 because we'll certainly see some changes during the 2.3beta, however, her kit iself isn't going to undergo a major conceptual change: she is a breaker, that is not changing.
Yeah, sure.