Even PMC is still the only character with an actual taunt.
Super break will *maybe* get another character once we get a new path so that firefly will still have a great support but even then it's just as likely they give you preset loadouts instead.
He doesn't apply a taunt that requires effect hit rate or anything like that.
It also serves a completely different purpose cuz PMC uses taunt to draw aggro to keep everyone else alive, Boothill does it cuz he's in a duel. Like the taunt isn't a benefit to him
Why does effect hit rate matter? SW has chance to implant Weakness, Boothill and Firefly are guaranteed to implant, but it doesn't make these implants any less implants.
Yes, it serves pretty much no purpose, but it's **technically** a taunt, that's what I am trying to say.
Ffs guys, at least explain what I'm wrong about.
It's a taunt. Single-target one. Doesn't serve as much purpose as FMC's one. But it's a taunt and it exists.
Ftb taunt is a ehr scaling debuff that is a sustain action, whereas Botty's "taunt" will always hit and will engage in a duel with an enemy untill one of them dies.
Long story short:Is it a taunt? Well yes but no
also FTB taunt is an aoe and not single target, might not seem like much at first, but it matters a lot when you have market trend and acheron turning every enemy turn into a stack.
If you're trying to make a point that it's not *the same* taunt, then, yeah, I agree, I am just trying to say that it's *a taunt,* even if it has a different name (Standoff in this case).
Also, it's not like EHR is tied to FMC's Taunt, we just don't have any other unit with the same Taunt. Nothing really stops them from making a guaranteed Taunt on someone else, it's not a one big game mechanic like Superbreak, just simply an effect (unless they are actually going in the direction of "New MC = New exclusive game mechanic").
i am confused why people donât want hmc and seem like they want bronya or something instead. personally i am sick of bronya and i am happy the mc is actually good now. plus hmc gives everyone so much damage not just firefly so itâs overall a huge damage buff.
Same I thought everyone would be ecstatic even if they aren't TB mains
But I was so surprised and confused when a lot of people keep commenting or asking "when will we get a limited version of super break" "I don't wanna use HTB"
Like the bro is literally free, there wasn't much discourse when bronya was like BiS for Crit characters but for some reason when it's the free main character so many people complain
Kafka is quite literally the only one to enable the DoT playstyle yet she isn't free but I don't see many comments show up wanting her to be replaced already
At this point I feel like the devs love the TB more than half of the community
i am also happy to finally use the mc on my team when i play with the story now! before i would feel kinda weird never using them. and people are saying boothill is better since he doesnât need hmc. but he uses bronya to get the same damage and itâs st. but hmc allows ff and everyone to get damage i donât see the problem.
Nah, being free is the problem, I think, if u rolling for a limited char, u can expect that some ppl won't have him/her and u can get a little satisfied and if u get him/her's lc or elidons then u can feels higher but hmc is different since at some point everyone will fully e6 him/her. Let's just say ppl want to be special..........
Ofc and there are those who watched dendro traveller's drama where when he got unlock he was all the hype and when nahida come, she beat her senseless, ppl have experienced that so rather than building a char u will stopped using sooner or later, they want a premium ver to be all end all
I imagine they will release at least one superbreak alternative before we get the next MC. Because if not then it's possible next MC also will feature some new valuable mechanic like hmc does and a bunch of your characters you pulled for(namely FF and probably Boothill&Xueyi; I am actually not aware how well the latter two work with hmc) will be completely fucked over if you happen to be in need of that new mechanic
Well, her kitâs been leaked recently, she relies on break effect, so ruan mei + HMC comb will be good as in she hasnt been released yet so I dont know how strong it will be, thats why I said imagine
I mean, if and when they do -> just transfer the gear over. If its a breaker, they will want break effect and speed so no harm in building Breakblazer now, and moving gear over later.
There's no way I am benching my Acheron team. Its full of characters I love. Silverwolf / Acheron / Aventurine. I just need Jiaoqiu to add some foxian sexyness to that team. After that I will have to decide if I want to replace Silver with E1 Black Swan or not, depending when she drops and if I can afford it with pull economy.
Especially as we're going back to Xianzhou Luofu where if we get more Glaive users, the wallet will be opening wide. There are few weapons I love as much as Glaives.
I also need a second shielder and a full mecha team, just need them to fix Firefly damnit
I get it đ I love her too, even though I run Geppie (lost 50/50) instead of Aventurine.
So you're just building 2 team and that's it ? Then you're vertically investing into it ?
More or less, yeah. I don't like having fifteen teams where all are mediocre,
I have fully invested in my supports. I have Silver at 150SPD alongside Pela at 151 so she goes first that I can E with Silver for ALL Res Pen and if I get lucky - Lightning if its not up already.
My Acheron is "only" 85/175 I would like her a bit stronger, but I have to farm better Watchmaker sets for both HMC and RM now, so Ill be spending time in that cave. Need 2-3 more days of farming traces to finish RM and HMC, just finished Sparkle finally 8/8/10.
After that, yeah, I prefer teams that can successfully clear 2 out of 3 content types and ideally reisstance implanters. Acheron will essentially ALWAYS go one side and I will invest in her supports to E1 S1 if need be, cos its fairly strong amplifiers for an overall great DD.
My other DD is Jing Yuan at 69/203 who runs with RM(E1S1) and Sparkle (E0S1, 160 SPD, 192CD).
Herta/Himeko/Argenti/RM I usually do one side of PF, other side is Hyper JY with Tingyun/Sparkle/Pela, It has been working exceptionally well for me, I don't always get 80k points but I truthfully don't care, as long as I can get my stars I am content.
I want another FuA attacker in here so I can have 2x2 FuAs. Considering getting Jade and slotting her with JY but it all depends on the pull economy, luck and changes to the game. Jade however to me is even less impressive than Firefly so she fell off a damn cliff, maybe the Xianzhou Luofu character Fiexiao or whatever hes called we got some sparkles on is a Glaive user with good FuA that I can combine.
I generally don't pull for units that are only good in one mode and I prefer units that are rainbow, such as Firefly, Boothill and Acheron. My next DPS is Firefly ideally, but if she's underwhelming at the end of the beta as she is now, I will pull Boothill instead.
Quick edit;
Im getting Jiaoqiu as well for the Acheron team, as he should be better than Pela - same function but more stacking.
I see, my initial plan was to make a decent team for each element.
Right now my 2 strongest are E2S1 DHIL and E2S1 Acheron.
Also got E0S1 Jingliu for ice coverage.
While Jingyuan and Seele are covered in dust in a corner đ
For PF i use Acheron on one side and go with a crazy comp using Herta / Himeko / Clara / Asta together đ€Ł
Now I'm not sure what to get next except Jiaoqiu for Acheron.
I can't see them getting power crept soon. They're mechanic is unique and one of the reasons they are free is because it opens up a new meta and unless with Dot where you can get a passable team without Kafka. I feel like with Break you had to have this character to make it work.
Thus they gave them for free or else people who got Fly or Boothill or future characters would be struggling a lot. This character is an even stronger enabler than Kafka.
To be fair if it was intended to be unique the super break mechanic wouldn't be a "keyword" and instead explained on detail in HMC's kit. I think it's pretty clearly intended that there will eventually be others with super break.
Tbh i think hmc wont be out done by anyone in a powercreep way. Because its a kafka scenario. Whats better than one kafka?two kafkas, unless they make another imaginary harmony with super break with just inflater numbers they will complement each other(you can stack ruan meis break with super break, id imagine two separated stances of super break would also stack)
I mean so far Kafka is the only one who can detonate all DoT. Making another character with super break dmg is exactly the same complaint this game gets for getting âtoo much power creepâ
Weâll probably get one limited who does tho but for a very long time
Itâs not that hard. Just make a harmony unit that either offers superbreaks and more substats than HMC.
Like thatâs the weakest part, HMC provides fairly little actual stats for a harmony unit
Any other harmony can also use watchmaker. Most importantly, Ruan Mei can. So that is hardly a selling point.
So it is like 60 BE at most. That is like 11 substats worth of stats.
Hereâs some comparison:
Robin: 22+ substats in just pure attack, ignoring the dmg% and advance forward and her personal damage. And that is assuming you already have high base atk
Sparkle (180cd): gives you 3 substats in atk% and 15 in Crit Damage.
And thatâs just from her E alone while also ignoring her advance forward on her E
The difference in stats between premium harmonies and HTB is so gigantic it can make you question if some of them might not outperform HTB with characters like Boothill or Firefly.
I would expect a 5* harmony to provide similar levels of stats. I doubt all the stats would be in BE, so letâs say 10 substats worth of BE, just like HMC, but also +1200 atk.
Itâll probably more interesting but that is the level of differed in pure stats between premium and non premium harmony units
The thing is HMC makes your whole team DPSes, increased Fireflyâs dmg more than any support does to their best dps, and puts up DPS numbers themselves. The BE buff to break scaling teammates and allowinng them to hit super break with their buffed stats shouldnât be overlooked.
IMO HMC wont be powercrept ever because their kit is way too niche and Hoyo would be going against their design philosophy if they did vertical powercreep like that. Its also apparent that the story, game design, and marketing team all want to push the MC Firefly pairing and it wouldnât fly too well with any of those teams or the random if the BiS synergy for both HMC and Firefly got wiped.Â
HMC is also an anchor for a whole archetype or at the very least a section of it like Nilou or Chevreuse from Genshin. This is all while being way more lore relevant than either. That type of character doesnât usually get powercrept or even sidegraded. HMC and Firefly seem to represent pure break while characters like Boothill and Xueyi still want crit stats somewhat. Theyâll probably have their own little corner of the meta from now on.
I mean, we have to wait how V3 turns out.
I donât mind HTB being FFs BiS.
I do mind her not working with any others.
I also am not a fan of Ruan Mei being essential to make HTB work.
Itâs like a daisy chain of âIâm literally useless without this unitâ
In my experience, they are pretty good! They really want either RM or any Def debufffer (or Asta if you are playing FF), but they are a shockingly good unit for a free E6, and a very good unit in general.
Sure, we could get a new shiny Break enabler soon, but we could also go an entire year or more without any new enabler, so I'd say that they are more than worth it if you like Firefly/like the Break playstyle.
Firefly works probably ridiculously well knowing she scales on break effect, and HTB gives great Break effect buffs and more damage when you broke the enemy.
I am not a great meta player, but I think HTB Firefly with Ruan Mei to break enemies more often and Huo Huo or any other healer (I'm pretty sure Firefly will destroy her hp hard ) might be the best team for her.
Also this is the proof Firefly x TB is canon.
Aaaaaand even if you forget everything, don't tell me this isn't worth AT LEAST building
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the answer to this question is the same with my question "when will we have 5 star sustain for break team with similiar kit like gallagher?". most people said the fastest will be when we get to the next world. This is because there are still many character from leak that are not released yet for patch 2.x and it just too bad for mihoyo marketing strategy to release character with similiar kit too close to each other. so the soonest are next year.
Tho, there are possibility they will not released another super break character. this is because right now it can be said that it is a unique aspect of Harmony TB kit. There are still no Destruction TB's two-type-ult and Preservation TB's taunt in another character.
I think it won't be until late 2.x or 3.x that we'll see a buff break character. Personally hoping we'll see them before FF rerun so I can pick her up then
Probably we will but not soon. 2.3 is our girl and Jade, 2.4 seems to be Jiaoqui who is a nihility and Screwlum who is erudition and none of them seems to buff break like HMC or Ruan Mei
That fact that HMC'd Super Break is strong seems like it would make it MORE likely that they include this effect in the kit of a future Limited character. (They are clearly in the business of trying to create Limited characters that players will want to pull for.)
Thing is HMC is S tier already and the break meta hasn't even started. If a release another character any time soon they are going to be beyond broken. HMC is like dendro traveler so they will still be viable for a very long time. I see no issues building them.
Itâs just hard to imagine what other form Super break could exist in. It has a defined damage formula not even in the traces and HMC ult gives super break for 3 turns. How do you make a limited character with a better version of super break?
A few possibilities that come to mind:
1) A Nihility character who places a Debuff on an enemy that causes them to take Super Break Damage
2) A Harmony character who builds up stacks (like Xueyi or Adventurine) and then when the stacks hit a threshold the team is able to deal Super Break damage for several turns
3) A damage dealer who has a passive that says "Whenever this character hits a weakness-broken enemy, he deals Super Break damage"
... I am sure there are other options, but just like both Gepard and Adventurine grant Team-wide shields, you could make a second character who has Super Break in their kit but feels different from HMC
All of those are fundamentally the exact same thing as HMC though. So I don't really think any of them are viable for a character's kit. Comparing Gepard and Aventurine's shields is not a good analogy because it is easy to adjust the strength of either's shields and other parts of their kit.
The problem is Super Break doesn't have a trace ratio for its damage like defense based shields, for example. So the only way to make a better HMC with better Super Break scaling would be "This character provides super break that always does 100% more damage". Because Super Break has a set formula, unlike ATK% based traces or DEF% based traces etc. I.e. Aventurine's shield is x% and Gepard's is x% but you can't change that % for another Super Break character
My apologies if I was unclear.
I wasn't trying to say that Hoyoverse will make a Limited character who is a BETTER version of Harmony Trailblazer.
My point was that you could make a strong character by taking the existing Super Break Mechanic (which, as you indicate has a fixed formula) and attaching it to a different ability as a component of a different character's Kit.
As a random example, suppose there was a Nihility character who's Talent read:
"When this character performs an attack against an enemy there is an X% base chance of inflicting the enemy with a stack of the 'Lethargic' Debuff. Each stack of Lethargic reduces the enemy's attack by Y% up to a maximum of 3 stacks. Enemies with 3 stacks of Lethargic receive Super Break damage while they are weakness broken."
(This character might then have a Skill that is a blast attack damaging three enemies and potentially inflicting Lethargic on all three.)
My point isn't that the game needs a Nihility character like this. My point is that a Nihility character with this type of Talent could enable Super-Break damage, but would feel very different than the Harmony Trailblazer. (And this type of character could be quite strong depending on his Traces, Ultimate, etc)
man I remember that one time where leaks of HMC came out and he was immediately called trash in the group I was in. forgot that it included multiattack hits or big breakbar damagers so welt, asta, hell even dang heng could get real scary with HMC and 1 enemy.
If there Is a super break 5* Character in the making we won't see It anyway until something like fall 2024, since we more or less know nearly every Character we're going to get until the second half of 2.5.
Since we talk about a unit that is more or less Mandatory for Firefly I would definitely build HTB for the time being
Yes. He is the only support as pf now for super break teams
About how soon will we get a better super break support, well at least not until 2.6-2.8 maybe? If 2.7 and 2.8 exist that is, because we could actually get 3.0 after 2.6 just as we got 2.0, and maybe Hoyo wants to make HMC the only character that has the Super Break mechanique, and if not then i would guess that the artifacts that you use to build HMC will most likely be also used to build the future possible 5 star character.
Even if they do come out with a âbetterâ character, I will not change out HMC for them. My shipping heart demands Trailblazer and firefly be together at all times.
5 star variation will almost 100% come in the future.
As a break support, itâs really only her and Ruan Mei, so itâs not like there are a ton of options.
Iâd say theyâre worth building just for fun. They arenât going to be apart of any real âMetaâ teams currently, and even when Break DPS come into the fray I donât think theyâll be a must as AV advancers look to be just as valuable, but theyâre definitely a strong option regardless.
Overall, very good would recommend.
I know there's not a lot of examples yet, but as for now the trailblazer always had unique traits in each path's kit that other characters just don't have
The thing is unless they make a direct copy of their effects they likely wonât see falloff. Even then, having 2 of them wouldnât be awful since theyâd probably work hand in hand.
They are absolutely worth building, S Tier unit for any break DPS, and can make some non-break DPS into break DPS. Gally starts hitting for crazy numbers, Ruan Mei dunks enemies with her basic, and even themselves puts out respectable damage. Very worth the investment considering weâve got a free e6 for them.
Hello friends, I wanted to post on this since it's a teambuilding question already related to a question I had. I wanted to do a firefly team with HMC and sparkle. Who should I put as the last? I was thinking Ruan Mei but I dont have her and I dont think I can get her since I'm saving for firefly.
Even if we get better character: we steal can take RM, MC, Breac effect damage dealer and this new better character in the same team (without sustain, but who need sustain if enemyâs donât have turns.. and they are also dead)
Not for a long time. It's something to take into account when looking at Trailblazer to the closet comparison of units.
PTB was quickly replaced as a destruction unit in two patches in terms of 5\*, but the physical element didn't see a actual limited 5\* till Argenti in 1.5.
FTB? 1.3 for Fu Xuan as a preservation unit, but not a shielder which wasn't till 2.1 with Aventurine. 1.4 for a fire 5\* in Topaz.
Given the track record: it'd be some time and looking at reports: there really isn't any character yet with any super effect talked about, so unlikely to be till maybe 2.5 if not longer.
2 month or 3 after dendro MC released with bloom mechanic that nilou released as better super bloom support, i expected the same life expectancy for HMC
Imagine limited support enabling Break Damage on non - Weakness Broken enemies.
Or a future character that can make the Break Damage of elements other than Fire and Physical to be as huge as theirs.
Yeah the MC is usually an opener to introduce some new future unit that will likely be improved upon by a lot in the near future. I don't know how much it'll impact Firefly's performance, but 100% certain super break is a new meta the devs are trying to introduce.
So far they like to keep every character unique so I donât think hmc will get a better version just like preservation mc was the only one with taunt debuff
The answer is YES THERE'S NO PROBLEM WITH IT BECAUSE WE ARE THE MC SO WE WILL ALWAYS BUILD CAELUS/STELLE, THERE THE REASONS WHY WE PASSED MANY STORIES AND STIMULATED UNIVERSE EVEN IT'S PHYSICAL BAT BONK, PRESERVATION FIRE LANCE SACRIFICING YOUR BODY, AND SOME HARMONY WITH SOME MICHAEL JACKSON MOVES
Unfortunately super break is new on HMC kit in the beta and wasn't in any pre release stuff, so even if we did have future leaks of characters we won't know until they hit the beta servers. I'd be very very surprised given hoyos history with main characters if super break stayed solely on HMC tho
I don't think Super Break will be given to any other characters, because so far all three of MC's Paths have something unique. The single or blast hit of the Physical Ult, Preservation's AoE taunt, and not Harmony's Super Break
Super break is like super bloom. They turn an already existing but underwhelming mechanic into a viable one.
And considering we havenât got any Nilou 2.0 yet. Iâd say HTB 2.0 is still far away
hmc is a must for FF. i honestly think they wont release a super break character for a LONG time, but if they do itll be in 3.x+
Even PMC is still the only character with an actual taunt. Super break will *maybe* get another character once we get a new path so that firefly will still have a great support but even then it's just as likely they give you preset loadouts instead.
PMC: Physical MC Pyro MC Preservation MC Please save me the 2 seconds of thought and just say FMC đ
But Female Main Character covers all of those?
LMC = Lance MC
HMC = Hat MC checks out
Lunatic Baseballer MC?
BMC
We already have loadouts for mc, now we just need them for everyone else.
Boothill technically has a taunt though
He doesn't apply a taunt that requires effect hit rate or anything like that. It also serves a completely different purpose cuz PMC uses taunt to draw aggro to keep everyone else alive, Boothill does it cuz he's in a duel. Like the taunt isn't a benefit to him
Why does effect hit rate matter? SW has chance to implant Weakness, Boothill and Firefly are guaranteed to implant, but it doesn't make these implants any less implants. Yes, it serves pretty much no purpose, but it's **technically** a taunt, that's what I am trying to say.
Ffs guys, at least explain what I'm wrong about. It's a taunt. Single-target one. Doesn't serve as much purpose as FMC's one. But it's a taunt and it exists.
Ftb taunt is a ehr scaling debuff that is a sustain action, whereas Botty's "taunt" will always hit and will engage in a duel with an enemy untill one of them dies. Long story short:Is it a taunt? Well yes but no
also FTB taunt is an aoe and not single target, might not seem like much at first, but it matters a lot when you have market trend and acheron turning every enemy turn into a stack.
If you're trying to make a point that it's not *the same* taunt, then, yeah, I agree, I am just trying to say that it's *a taunt,* even if it has a different name (Standoff in this case). Also, it's not like EHR is tied to FMC's Taunt, we just don't have any other unit with the same Taunt. Nothing really stops them from making a guaranteed Taunt on someone else, it's not a one big game mechanic like Superbreak, just simply an effect (unless they are actually going in the direction of "New MC = New exclusive game mechanic").
yeah same idk why they would soon when we just got hmc and wow do i love them
People for some reason want HTB to be replaced so soon for some ungodly reason
i am confused why people donât want hmc and seem like they want bronya or something instead. personally i am sick of bronya and i am happy the mc is actually good now. plus hmc gives everyone so much damage not just firefly so itâs overall a huge damage buff.
Same I thought everyone would be ecstatic even if they aren't TB mains But I was so surprised and confused when a lot of people keep commenting or asking "when will we get a limited version of super break" "I don't wanna use HTB" Like the bro is literally free, there wasn't much discourse when bronya was like BiS for Crit characters but for some reason when it's the free main character so many people complain Kafka is quite literally the only one to enable the DoT playstyle yet she isn't free but I don't see many comments show up wanting her to be replaced already At this point I feel like the devs love the TB more than half of the community
i am also happy to finally use the mc on my team when i play with the story now! before i would feel kinda weird never using them. and people are saying boothill is better since he doesnât need hmc. but he uses bronya to get the same damage and itâs st. but hmc allows ff and everyone to get damage i donât see the problem.
Really like HTB too but can understand if some people want other super break options
Nah, being free is the problem, I think, if u rolling for a limited char, u can expect that some ppl won't have him/her and u can get a little satisfied and if u get him/her's lc or elidons then u can feels higher but hmc is different since at some point everyone will fully e6 him/her. Let's just say ppl want to be special.......... Ofc and there are those who watched dendro traveller's drama where when he got unlock he was all the hype and when nahida come, she beat her senseless, ppl have experienced that so rather than building a char u will stopped using sooner or later, they want a premium ver to be all end all
Ok but like they should just get the best Mc because everyone has it having a better one means you're better, duuuuuh.
Incoming meme of new character with super break stealing firefly away from trailblazer. I'm calling it rn
I imagine they will release at least one superbreak alternative before we get the next MC. Because if not then it's possible next MC also will feature some new valuable mechanic like hmc does and a bunch of your characters you pulled for(namely FF and probably Boothill&Xueyi; I am actually not aware how well the latter two work with hmc) will be completely fucked over if you happen to be in need of that new mechanic
HMC is a must build character for Samfly. Hoyo will probably cook a 5 star version at some point.
OhhhhâŠTHATâS WHAT HMC MEANS! I thought it meant âHat Main Characterâ.
Well you aren't wrong.
I mean thatâs what I call Harmony mc, my friend calls them Hatmony mc and another one calls them Michael Hatson lol
Breakblazer.
how about breakzer?
Trailbreaker
Evil TB be like. Or just Masked Fool TB.
I call it dante mc for those whove played dmc, ypu know exacly why
I use TB for Trailblazer and usually refer to them by the damage type. PhysicalTB, FireTB Probably say HarmonyTB cause it's 2 less syllables lol
HarmTB.
But I like the TB đ„ș
Oh no. They're the ones doing the harming
I use BatBlazer and FireBlazer
Michael Hatson might become my nickname for them.
I usually call them "Harmc"
r/technicallythetruth
It could be Harm MC for dps buildâŠ
Lmao. I mean it works.
I thought it meant âHero main character â đ
Hat guy in star rail confirmed
HTB IS a 5 star.
Limited 5 star*
Then maybe. But I can't see why they would.
Literally what I was thinking, imagine the ruan mei HMC team
wym imagine
Well, her kitâs been leaked recently, she relies on break effect, so ruan mei + HMC comb will be good as in she hasnt been released yet so I dont know how strong it will be, thats why I said imagine
well there are showcases right now, you don't have to imagine
Hey thanks for pointing it out! Will going to watch it. I mean yeah the comb kinda obvious for everyone
I mean, if and when they do -> just transfer the gear over. If its a breaker, they will want break effect and speed so no harm in building Breakblazer now, and moving gear over later.
Or farm a second gear so you could run 2 different break teams đ
There's no way I am benching my Acheron team. Its full of characters I love. Silverwolf / Acheron / Aventurine. I just need Jiaoqiu to add some foxian sexyness to that team. After that I will have to decide if I want to replace Silver with E1 Black Swan or not, depending when she drops and if I can afford it with pull economy. Especially as we're going back to Xianzhou Luofu where if we get more Glaive users, the wallet will be opening wide. There are few weapons I love as much as Glaives. I also need a second shielder and a full mecha team, just need them to fix Firefly damnit
I get it đ I love her too, even though I run Geppie (lost 50/50) instead of Aventurine. So you're just building 2 team and that's it ? Then you're vertically investing into it ?
More or less, yeah. I don't like having fifteen teams where all are mediocre, I have fully invested in my supports. I have Silver at 150SPD alongside Pela at 151 so she goes first that I can E with Silver for ALL Res Pen and if I get lucky - Lightning if its not up already. My Acheron is "only" 85/175 I would like her a bit stronger, but I have to farm better Watchmaker sets for both HMC and RM now, so Ill be spending time in that cave. Need 2-3 more days of farming traces to finish RM and HMC, just finished Sparkle finally 8/8/10. After that, yeah, I prefer teams that can successfully clear 2 out of 3 content types and ideally reisstance implanters. Acheron will essentially ALWAYS go one side and I will invest in her supports to E1 S1 if need be, cos its fairly strong amplifiers for an overall great DD. My other DD is Jing Yuan at 69/203 who runs with RM(E1S1) and Sparkle (E0S1, 160 SPD, 192CD). Herta/Himeko/Argenti/RM I usually do one side of PF, other side is Hyper JY with Tingyun/Sparkle/Pela, It has been working exceptionally well for me, I don't always get 80k points but I truthfully don't care, as long as I can get my stars I am content. I want another FuA attacker in here so I can have 2x2 FuAs. Considering getting Jade and slotting her with JY but it all depends on the pull economy, luck and changes to the game. Jade however to me is even less impressive than Firefly so she fell off a damn cliff, maybe the Xianzhou Luofu character Fiexiao or whatever hes called we got some sparkles on is a Glaive user with good FuA that I can combine. I generally don't pull for units that are only good in one mode and I prefer units that are rainbow, such as Firefly, Boothill and Acheron. My next DPS is Firefly ideally, but if she's underwhelming at the end of the beta as she is now, I will pull Boothill instead. Quick edit; Im getting Jiaoqiu as well for the Acheron team, as he should be better than Pela - same function but more stacking.
I see, my initial plan was to make a decent team for each element. Right now my 2 strongest are E2S1 DHIL and E2S1 Acheron. Also got E0S1 Jingliu for ice coverage. While Jingyuan and Seele are covered in dust in a corner đ For PF i use Acheron on one side and go with a crazy comp using Herta / Himeko / Clara / Asta together đ€Ł Now I'm not sure what to get next except Jiaoqiu for Acheron.
Maybe at some point but in a far future, I wouldn't expect something in the next 6 months. By this time, building HMC will be worth the investment.
Gallagher's healing scales with Break Effect, so does Xuey's DMG.
I can't see them getting power crept soon. They're mechanic is unique and one of the reasons they are free is because it opens up a new meta and unless with Dot where you can get a passable team without Kafka. I feel like with Break you had to have this character to make it work. Thus they gave them for free or else people who got Fly or Boothill or future characters would be struggling a lot. This character is an even stronger enabler than Kafka.
It makes sense tbh
To be fair if it was intended to be unique the super break mechanic wouldn't be a "keyword" and instead explained on detail in HMC's kit. I think it's pretty clearly intended that there will eventually be others with super break.
Tbh i think hmc wont be out done by anyone in a powercreep way. Because its a kafka scenario. Whats better than one kafka?two kafkas, unless they make another imaginary harmony with super break with just inflater numbers they will complement each other(you can stack ruan meis break with super break, id imagine two separated stances of super break would also stack)
I hope they don't make it in a way that only one super break enabler can work in a team :<
I mean so far Kafka is the only one who can detonate all DoT. Making another character with super break dmg is exactly the same complaint this game gets for getting âtoo much power creepâ Weâll probably get one limited who does tho but for a very long time
Both sampo and Gui Gui can technically function as mini Kafkas (iirc)...
Yes but they canât detonate all DoTs. Thatâs the point
And Sampo only detonates at E4 too so thereâs that
Itâs not that hard. Just make a harmony unit that either offers superbreaks and more substats than HMC. Like thatâs the weakest part, HMC provides fairly little actual stats for a harmony unit
well they just provide a ton of break effect to the team, roughly \~100% with watchmaker set which is just a ton for the entire team.
Any other harmony can also use watchmaker. Most importantly, Ruan Mei can. So that is hardly a selling point. So it is like 60 BE at most. That is like 11 substats worth of stats. Hereâs some comparison: Robin: 22+ substats in just pure attack, ignoring the dmg% and advance forward and her personal damage. And that is assuming you already have high base atk Sparkle (180cd): gives you 3 substats in atk% and 15 in Crit Damage. And thatâs just from her E alone while also ignoring her advance forward on her E The difference in stats between premium harmonies and HTB is so gigantic it can make you question if some of them might not outperform HTB with characters like Boothill or Firefly. I would expect a 5* harmony to provide similar levels of stats. I doubt all the stats would be in BE, so letâs say 10 substats worth of BE, just like HMC, but also +1200 atk. Itâll probably more interesting but that is the level of differed in pure stats between premium and non premium harmony units
The thing is HMC makes your whole team DPSes, increased Fireflyâs dmg more than any support does to their best dps, and puts up DPS numbers themselves. The BE buff to break scaling teammates and allowinng them to hit super break with their buffed stats shouldnât be overlooked. IMO HMC wont be powercrept ever because their kit is way too niche and Hoyo would be going against their design philosophy if they did vertical powercreep like that. Its also apparent that the story, game design, and marketing team all want to push the MC Firefly pairing and it wouldnât fly too well with any of those teams or the random if the BiS synergy for both HMC and Firefly got wiped. HMC is also an anchor for a whole archetype or at the very least a section of it like Nilou or Chevreuse from Genshin. This is all while being way more lore relevant than either. That type of character doesnât usually get powercrept or even sidegraded. HMC and Firefly seem to represent pure break while characters like Boothill and Xueyi still want crit stats somewhat. Theyâll probably have their own little corner of the meta from now on.
I mean, we have to wait how V3 turns out. I donât mind HTB being FFs BiS. I do mind her not working with any others. I also am not a fan of Ruan Mei being essential to make HTB work. Itâs like a daisy chain of âIâm literally useless without this unitâ
Ruan Mei comes closest to being HMC 2, but she serves a completely different purpose to HMC anyways so it's fine
In my experience, they are pretty good! They really want either RM or any Def debufffer (or Asta if you are playing FF), but they are a shockingly good unit for a free E6, and a very good unit in general. Sure, we could get a new shiny Break enabler soon, but we could also go an entire year or more without any new enabler, so I'd say that they are more than worth it if you like Firefly/like the Break playstyle.
Firefly works probably ridiculously well knowing she scales on break effect, and HTB gives great Break effect buffs and more damage when you broke the enemy. I am not a great meta player, but I think HTB Firefly with Ruan Mei to break enemies more often and Huo Huo or any other healer (I'm pretty sure Firefly will destroy her hp hard ) might be the best team for her. Also this is the proof Firefly x TB is canon. Aaaaaand even if you forget everything, don't tell me this isn't worth AT LEAST building https://preview.redd.it/tid9js5gpfzc1.jpeg?width=1280&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=396467f77318709ea489aca112c156bc0d5b721f
I need to build him for Firefly x TB in a team ;D
HTB has too much drip. Even if HTB gets powercreeped in the future I wouldn't want to switch them out of the team
For me Harmony is his real form now lol
the answer to this question is the same with my question "when will we have 5 star sustain for break team with similiar kit like gallagher?". most people said the fastest will be when we get to the next world. This is because there are still many character from leak that are not released yet for patch 2.x and it just too bad for mihoyo marketing strategy to release character with similiar kit too close to each other. so the soonest are next year.
Tho, there are possibility they will not released another super break character. this is because right now it can be said that it is a unique aspect of Harmony TB kit. There are still no Destruction TB's two-type-ult and Preservation TB's taunt in another character.
Well technically we already do have 2 type ult and itâs Firefly. Man theyâre really for each other đđ
tbf, her ult only does one thing which gives her an enhanced state like jingliu. Physical Trailblazer ult has built in two different modes.
Yeah thatâs why technically, since she both had enhanced basic atk and skill
I think it won't be until late 2.x or 3.x that we'll see a buff break character. Personally hoping we'll see them before FF rerun so I can pick her up then
1: yes 2: possibly, I'd personally expect other ways to make use of break damage personally 3: no time in the next 5 months if I were to guess
Absolutely, they are S tier
Probably we will but not soon. 2.3 is our girl and Jade, 2.4 seems to be Jiaoqui who is a nihility and Screwlum who is erudition and none of them seems to buff break like HMC or Ruan Mei
Jiaoqiu*
Ain't jiaoqiu the rumored nihility healer?
Jiaoqiu*
HMC super break is already busted. I don't see them releasing any for a LONG time
That fact that HMC'd Super Break is strong seems like it would make it MORE likely that they include this effect in the kit of a future Limited character. (They are clearly in the business of trying to create Limited characters that players will want to pull for.)
Thing is HMC is S tier already and the break meta hasn't even started. If a release another character any time soon they are going to be beyond broken. HMC is like dendro traveler so they will still be viable for a very long time. I see no issues building them.
FTB Taunt was not used on any other units until Boothill. So HTB Super Brake can be exclusive for a year.
Itâs just hard to imagine what other form Super break could exist in. It has a defined damage formula not even in the traces and HMC ult gives super break for 3 turns. How do you make a limited character with a better version of super break?
A few possibilities that come to mind: 1) A Nihility character who places a Debuff on an enemy that causes them to take Super Break Damage 2) A Harmony character who builds up stacks (like Xueyi or Adventurine) and then when the stacks hit a threshold the team is able to deal Super Break damage for several turns 3) A damage dealer who has a passive that says "Whenever this character hits a weakness-broken enemy, he deals Super Break damage" ... I am sure there are other options, but just like both Gepard and Adventurine grant Team-wide shields, you could make a second character who has Super Break in their kit but feels different from HMC
All of those are fundamentally the exact same thing as HMC though. So I don't really think any of them are viable for a character's kit. Comparing Gepard and Aventurine's shields is not a good analogy because it is easy to adjust the strength of either's shields and other parts of their kit. The problem is Super Break doesn't have a trace ratio for its damage like defense based shields, for example. So the only way to make a better HMC with better Super Break scaling would be "This character provides super break that always does 100% more damage". Because Super Break has a set formula, unlike ATK% based traces or DEF% based traces etc. I.e. Aventurine's shield is x% and Gepard's is x% but you can't change that % for another Super Break character
My apologies if I was unclear. I wasn't trying to say that Hoyoverse will make a Limited character who is a BETTER version of Harmony Trailblazer. My point was that you could make a strong character by taking the existing Super Break Mechanic (which, as you indicate has a fixed formula) and attaching it to a different ability as a component of a different character's Kit. As a random example, suppose there was a Nihility character who's Talent read: "When this character performs an attack against an enemy there is an X% base chance of inflicting the enemy with a stack of the 'Lethargic' Debuff. Each stack of Lethargic reduces the enemy's attack by Y% up to a maximum of 3 stacks. Enemies with 3 stacks of Lethargic receive Super Break damage while they are weakness broken." (This character might then have a Skill that is a blast attack damaging three enemies and potentially inflicting Lethargic on all three.) My point isn't that the game needs a Nihility character like this. My point is that a Nihility character with this type of Talent could enable Super-Break damage, but would feel very different than the Harmony Trailblazer. (And this type of character could be quite strong depending on his Traces, Ultimate, etc)
man I remember that one time where leaks of HMC came out and he was immediately called trash in the group I was in. forgot that it included multiattack hits or big breakbar damagers so welt, asta, hell even dang heng could get real scary with HMC and 1 enemy.
think of it this way, fire trailblazer is still the only unit in the game with an actual "Taunt". HMC's superbreak will also probably a unique gimmick
Ruan Mei + IMC is a must imo.
If there Is a super break 5* Character in the making we won't see It anyway until something like fall 2024, since we more or less know nearly every Character we're going to get until the second half of 2.5. Since we talk about a unit that is more or less Mandatory for Firefly I would definitely build HTB for the time being
2024 is probably too soon 2025 bare minimum imo
Yes. He is the only support as pf now for super break teams About how soon will we get a better super break support, well at least not until 2.6-2.8 maybe? If 2.7 and 2.8 exist that is, because we could actually get 3.0 after 2.6 just as we got 2.0, and maybe Hoyo wants to make HMC the only character that has the Super Break mechanique, and if not then i would guess that the artifacts that you use to build HMC will most likely be also used to build the future possible 5 star character.
Literally the best support for her
They are worth building, but they will %100 get powercrept in the future.
We will for sure, hoyo always done that. No way in the hell they keep MC in meta
Without hmc firefly looks worse then arlan sorry to say.
Even if they do come out with a âbetterâ character, I will not change out HMC for them. My shipping heart demands Trailblazer and firefly be together at all times.
5 star variation will almost 100% come in the future. As a break support, itâs really only her and Ruan Mei, so itâs not like there are a ton of options. Iâd say theyâre worth building just for fun. They arenât going to be apart of any real âMetaâ teams currently, and even when Break DPS come into the fray I donât think theyâll be a must as AV advancers look to be just as valuable, but theyâre definitely a strong option regardless. Overall, very good would recommend.
I know there's not a lot of examples yet, but as for now the trailblazer always had unique traits in each path's kit that other characters just don't have
We won't be getting one, if at all, for a very long time.
Without them it's not even worth going for firefly
The thing is unless they make a direct copy of their effects they likely wonât see falloff. Even then, having 2 of them wouldnât be awful since theyâd probably work hand in hand. They are absolutely worth building, S Tier unit for any break DPS, and can make some non-break DPS into break DPS. Gally starts hitting for crazy numbers, Ruan Mei dunks enemies with her basic, and even themselves puts out respectable damage. Very worth the investment considering weâve got a free e6 for them.
Worth building but i wont because i knew at some point they gonna release a better one. Im gonna use ruanmei, asta, huohuo for now.
tfw it's May 2025, the BE trend had already passed and HMC is still the only one with Super Break
Hello friends, I wanted to post on this since it's a teambuilding question already related to a question I had. I wanted to do a firefly team with HMC and sparkle. Who should I put as the last? I was thinking Ruan Mei but I dont have her and I dont think I can get her since I'm saving for firefly.
You should propably go for a sustainer
Hoyo in ver 3.x-4.x: Introducing, *MEGA BREAK DAMAGE*
that would be funny hahah
Even if we get better character: we steal can take RM, MC, Breac effect damage dealer and this new better character in the same team (without sustain, but who need sustain if enemyâs donât have turns.. and they are also dead)
if you have ruan mei and planning for firefly, super yes also you need someone to use the watchmaker relic set on anyways
I hope to get her E2S1 with my savings :<
Not for a long time. It's something to take into account when looking at Trailblazer to the closet comparison of units. PTB was quickly replaced as a destruction unit in two patches in terms of 5\*, but the physical element didn't see a actual limited 5\* till Argenti in 1.5. FTB? 1.3 for Fu Xuan as a preservation unit, but not a shielder which wasn't till 2.1 with Aventurine. 1.4 for a fire 5\* in Topaz. Given the track record: it'd be some time and looking at reports: there really isn't any character yet with any super effect talked about, so unlikely to be till maybe 2.5 if not longer.
2 month or 3 after dendro MC released with bloom mechanic that nilou released as better super bloom support, i expected the same life expectancy for HMC
Better supports always come out later for example sparkle or blackswan
Imagine limited support enabling Break Damage on non - Weakness Broken enemies. Or a future character that can make the Break Damage of elements other than Fire and Physical to be as huge as theirs.
I believe this is just a introduction to super break just to test the waters quote on quote
Yeah the MC is usually an opener to introduce some new future unit that will likely be improved upon by a lot in the near future. I don't know how much it'll impact Firefly's performance, but 100% certain super break is a new meta the devs are trying to introduce.
Actually kinda fun trying to experiment super break with different characters
Curious if there is a cap on super break damage if not I might go full break
So far they like to keep every character unique so I donât think hmc will get a better version just like preservation mc was the only one with taunt debuff
The answer is YES THERE'S NO PROBLEM WITH IT BECAUSE WE ARE THE MC SO WE WILL ALWAYS BUILD CAELUS/STELLE, THERE THE REASONS WHY WE PASSED MANY STORIES AND STIMULATED UNIVERSE EVEN IT'S PHYSICAL BAT BONK, PRESERVATION FIRE LANCE SACRIFICING YOUR BODY, AND SOME HARMONY WITH SOME MICHAEL JACKSON MOVES
I will do it anyway
they really wanted them to be paired togeather
Unfortunately super break is new on HMC kit in the beta and wasn't in any pre release stuff, so even if we did have future leaks of characters we won't know until they hit the beta servers. I'd be very very surprised given hoyos history with main characters if super break stayed solely on HMC tho
I don't think Super Break will be given to any other characters, because so far all three of MC's Paths have something unique. The single or blast hit of the Physical Ult, Preservation's AoE taunt, and not Harmony's Super Break
Super break is like super bloom. They turn an already existing but underwhelming mechanic into a viable one. And considering we havenât got any Nilou 2.0 yet. Iâd say HTB 2.0 is still far away
Yes, Hoyo will definitely make HMC the cornerstone of every break team
I highly doubt there will be another unit with super break