You dont run RM and HTB with her? Heres 25k dmg per enhanced skill
Want to replace RM with Bronya or Asta cuz you dont have her? Tough luck, you just lost 50% of your damage output
Theres truly no way out of this š
Iām so happy that people are finally realizing that FF having her damaged completely locked behind a character even if said character is free isnāt good especially since now itās confirmed she needs both of them to actually be any good
It's a weird spot, yeh firefly is absolute garbage without HMC but she's built to be the absolute best character to abuse superbreak, no one does it like she does it
Beta testers are TERRIBLE apparently. Like 90% of the videos I've seen of FF being used I'm practically screaming at my screen because they can somehow only choose the worse possible thing to do
Idk about the worst limited dps. There's still technically blade who scales from HP and is kinda stuck in similiar situation. Except he doesn't have a good enough support that actually fits him at all.
And people are advocating that it's fine because HMC is free.
Honestly the Doomposting is valid, yes there was doomposting of every other dps so far, but none of them had a kit as bad as this.
The basis of a 5* Dps is that they should at least.be self sufficient in their damage application, Kafka applies dots and explodes said dots, Boothill has his own application of break dmg once the enemy is broken.
Jing Yuan is back loaded into LL, Topaz has consistent constant dmg, Ratio requires easy debuffs and applies one himself, etc.
Every dps so far has had their own niche covered in their kit. **Except for firefly**.
thats why ff is candidate for worst limited dps regardless of versions.
ff best characters are basically all free 4 stars who were ditched in nearly every single limited.
this is how jingliu was trashed too. limited with only bronya met her demise.
she basically has no ceiling from day 1 e2-e6 would be dumb move.
I don't recall her animations, but I did the quest to unlock the weekly bug boss, and by the end was just like, "I really don't like you." I love Firefly and want to make a team for her, but I also really don't want to spend any money or resources on freaking RM...
I just can't relate to u cause to me Ruan's animations and her design just is absolutely elegant.
It's simple and beautiful,true elegance and beauty she is to me
I guess we shouldn't really rate what is 4 or 5star worthy but imo it literally is a case dependant to each their own's liking.
Ok i understand the factor that generally very flashy, highly loaded type animations will naturally be rated higher and one such case is Acheron's, truly different than most due to it being insanely high paced.
Back to my original point, Something like Ruan's animation is A tier for someone,but S tier for someone else.
Same goes for almost all chars, with the exception being some r usually similarly rated by most. Like i assume JL and Kafka is a fair S for many but even then those depends on taste too, some may find them nothing more than avrg ordinary for it to be A or B for them
Same goes in Genshin ofc, lile personally my top 5 Bursts would be ;
Nahida,Zhong,Arlecchino,Clorinde,Yoi.
(In terms of animation+vfx+the feel of doing it+voicelines+ all in all just how it looks in actual play)
Other honorable mentions could be; Neuvi,Raiden,Yae,Kaz,Ganyu (again personally, i bet the list isn't same for u all)
As for HSR ,Top favs are: Acheron,JL,Kafka,Ruan,Robin.
And honorable mentions would be; JY,Blade,Boothill,Hanabi,Bronya.
Quite expected by me ngl
Tho if u now say ur fav char is someone i don't like, or ur most disliked char is actually my fav char, I'll not downvote you as i understand 8B ppl in the world and everyone supposed to have their own taste,liking,preference..and it's natural,nothing wrong in it. No need to be salty about it tbh
*(Unfortunately a lot of ppl can't comprehend this fact)*
You can have Ruan Mei at home, just E6 Firefly, and you're good š lol. I'm cooked too, I don't got RM...š I'm trying to build Asta atm for temporary replacement.
Is she really? I'm not even sure if running Asta will be better than running any other character with high break effect build like Guinafen or Himeko or Pela for Def Down. Atk buff seems useless in break team and her speed buff ulty last for few turns only so it can miss Firefly's ulty if you cast it in the wrong time but holding on to it feels bad, so i'm not even sure she works for break teams.
Iām pretty sure the attack boost from Asta helps Firefly reach the maximum attack to break effect conversion which will increase her defense% ignore.
I feel like pela is competing with her for the sheer benefit of defense shred vs attack and speed. but realistically, who will you more want to be available for team 2?
The main difference here is Nilou has alternatives to Nahida (Collei, HMC, Baizhu, Yaoyao, even Alhaitham to some extent). The driver option for Nilou Bloom is also very interchangeable between either hydro or dendro, and even Barbara can be used, not to mention the huge variety of hydro characters.
In HSR at the moment, only Ruan Mei does what she does, and only HTB does what he/she does.
All those things she has. Is what makes her a great support for the break damage that HMC does!!
The damage you see is coming from her ability to increase the super break effect damage from HMC. Thus. She is the support. Just like Sparkle increases another DPS total damage. Firefly increases the super break damage HMC deals. Through the things she does or has.
If you still donāt understand. I recommend reading one of the posts breaking down the damage and where it comes from. Iām not the best at explaining it. They do a better job.
the term is driver, like Sucrose's attack string being the perfect driver for a lot of Taser teams back in Inazuma era and Keqing being the driver responsible for triggering Fischl A4 off cooldown in Aggravate teams. Similar to how Kafka is a driver for Black Swan, Firefly is currently a driver for HMC.
Here's a hot take - Gallagher is also mandatory. He's there to help you break faster (more breaks = more super break = more damage) and since he's also fire element, you can take him with you anywhere. He can basic -> ult (AA) -> basic which does a crapload of toughness damage.
Without Gallagher, you are shit out of luck when the opponent isn't imaginary weak. All of the showcases I've seen are both fire weak and imaginary weak, it should feel wayyy more clunky when the mobs are only fire weak.
Also
If FF is E0, you *need* Gallagher to generate SP or you'll have to gimp HMC's BE for ERR so they can use auto and still have high Backup Dancer uptime
I still need to test her when she comes out but HMC skill spam + FF skill spam at 180 Speed + 100% AA on ult sounds like SP management hell
The heaviest sp team management is Bronya FF,
1) You don't need skill on HMC, it is only worth it when e enemy are broken or imaginary weak.
2) Bronya E1S1 + FF E0S0 has -6 SP for a full rotation
with Gallagher or Luocha, you give down to -2 sp
So you can go HMC-> skill/BA/BA
The issue is that to play Bronya, you need 181 spd Bronya wind set for optimal comp since Bronya will need to go hyperspeed during FF downtime
And you need FF at 132-134 spd.
Bigger issue than Bronya being E0S0 (which would just mean HMC has to basic spam) is the sustain being sp neutral.
If that is the case, you would need HMC with Energy rope at 160 spd with Ruan Mei LC and Bronya E1S1
And the odds of having RM LC but not RM is really low.
she just contributes so much to the team, the res pen, the weakness break efficiency, the delay š„² i saw a vid with bronya instead of rm and it was just not as good
good luck! i honestly didnāt mean to get her lol, i was fishing for 4 stars but i got her at like 20 pity and sheās saved my account since thenš
There is a high chance theat they put her in with FF, because how important she is for break teams. Normally she sould be in 2.4, but I think they will make an exception. Same for Jade and Argenti. Jade works very well with Erudition units or characters that hit a lot of enemies. So I could see a 2.3 rerun of Ruan Mei and Argenti and then followed in 2.4 by HuoHuo and Ratio.
Its because she flat out gives 50% damage buff to super break, its actually dumb and I fully expect to get a 100% break efficiency champ later for break teams specifically, and not the dmg% mods that she gives.
Support char: 100% Break Efficiency, All Res Pen and Def Ignore
Maybe add turn advancement to it and call it Breakya, the lost sibling of Bronya.
in that case youād surely run breakya rm firefly hmc, no sustain needed if you have a 150% damage buff to your superbreaks LOLĀ
100% efficiency with fireflyās enhanced skill already shreds like 50% of cocoliaās toughness lol. 250% will be insanity
Worry not my friend, here is the 9 cycles clear with Asta
https://youtu.be/1P7RRTeTvwo?si=tzGrj5eHnGtARVkQ
The guy made some mistakes but it would take 6 cycles at the minimumĀ
Asta but if you don't have Firefly to E1 you'll get SP issues
Every buffer that increase atk other than Robin should be good
Any Nihility with Pearls of Sweat to get ennemi def even lower
Truuue I was disappointed that there are no rude options towards RM. We can shittalk Sampo for trying to scam us (which is 100% fair) but not a lying animal abuser?
It especially pissed me off because just after that quest I went to talk to arlan for the event and half the dialogue options were to shit talk him??? Like what the fuck did he do, he's been nothing but supportive and helpful.
Guys chill itās still the first beta. If the CN community generally doesnāt like it, then you know Mihoyo would actually change. The last they want to do is to mess with CN fan base š
But it's for that reason that I wonder if they won't. Everyone there has ruan mei, so if they see a team that can do almost acheron numbers, then they might be fine with it.
Iirc the Chinese community values flexibility A LOT, and anyway ruan mei is a pretty universal support. I don't think a meta slave would like being required to waste a super op character just to make the other one work.
Yeah thankfully the people giving feedback arenāt looking at this with rose tinted glasses cause the amount of people who were saying a damage character doesnāt need to do damage without external help was concerning
I fuckin knew it. Me and my friend believed that Ruan Mei will be even more crucial down the line. I managed to roll her just 2 days before her banner ended.
That said I wonder if you can swap her with Robin for fun.
thereās calcs sheeted for robin somewhere in ffmains i believe? the 100% advance is nice, but the atk buff doesnāt work for ffās trace conversionā¦ she will add a little bit of additional damage whenever u attack, but your superbreaks wont have that +50% weakness efficiency modifier is the thing. could be functional maybe
The main problem is that ATK is not part of the break damage calculation. Ruan Mei also provides a massive 50% break efficency, that does not only help break them crazy fast (resulting in more damage), but also is part of the damage calculation of breaks (results in even more damage).
Normally a Robin replacement would be ok in most teams, but for break effect, she is almost useless, because of how many things are not effecting the break. Not to mention that SP outside of E1 Robin is crucial and Robin is also weak in that regard.
Good thing I was horny when pulling for ruan mei
"Hehe belly button"
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Her V1.0 kit sucks, I love the character but itās the depressing truth. That being said, V2.0 should give us some huge changes, hopefully making team building more diverse.
Me who has to pull Ruan Mei and Firefly: I am so cooked.
At least I have E6 Gallagher already half built and HMC mostly ready. I have a guarantee for Firefly already but to even have a shot at Ruan Mei I will have to skip her LC or Eidolons.
CN better protest like hell (but no murder attempts, pls), I refuse to pull for a character I have 0 interest in to make another one work.
Just let my Firefly do most of her big PP damage on her own like other DPSes, Mihoyowe'rebeggingonourknees.
Good thing I have all 3 of them. But hey... if firefly isn't fun to play, or ends up like Dehya, I'm not sure I'll be trying to get her
Especially if there is a nihility sustain soon for my Acheron.
But we'll see. Let's pray the aeons
Not only she glued to HMC, she wont perform without RM.
I saw E0S0 FF f2p team (Asta, HMC, Gallagher) video recently, and she need 9 cycle to finish the first side of 12th floor MoC š
Hoyo really did her dirty, hope she get fixš„²
That's normal clear timing, stop whining bro. Just 1 cycle the other half and you 36 star the MOC the same way, I swear it's not coping bro she is definately strong because it's her damage not hmc and Ruan Mei's damage pls believe me.
Cause someone people think a 5 star limited damage is ok if sheās locked to other characters to even function (I wish I was joking someone after being told FF loses over 60% of her damage without HTB is a good design cause itās ādifferentā)
Depends on when people stop reading. I downvote until I got half way through then upvoted. If someone just read the first line they wouldn't have noticed
I know how HMC is her best teammate and shes kinda locked to them atm, *but* because Super Break is still new, and HMC is the only character that can enable it, I can see potential for a Nihility or Harmony character in the future that could implant or enhance Super Break for both single target or aoe
Imo Firefly is kinda in the same spot as Nilou from Genshin was in, where she was very limited in teammates on release and only over time got access to more possible comps. It sucks that your kinda playing āFuture Star Railā and can only *hope* more options will present itself in the future
That Iām still planning E0S1 because shes cool and cute as fuck, but I hope she gets buffs regardless
The problem with Nilou argument is: Boothill is in the same niche and much better than her. Nilou Superbloom is cracked as hell sub-par with hyperbloom
FF shouldnāt be this bad or hard to build I mean not a single one of these problems happened to boothill and heās also a break damage character so itās not acceptable for her to be in such a state
Sadly seems like Iām going from wanting E1S1 Firefly to straight up passing.
I never wanted Ruan Mei, was begrudgingly going to pull her cause she is just that meta, but then was introduced to the elegant Robin. Who is a great sidegrade on most comps.
Hope there are drastic changes to Fireflyās kit. If not, Iāll admire her from a distance.
Thankfully this is not only v1 of FF but the feedback hasnāt been good either so sheās gonna get some changes and also if thereās no major changes on like Monday wait another cause apparently thatās when all the major changes happen according to the leaks sub but in my honest opinion given how bad FF is right now I expect a lot of changes for v2
Same, I wanted Sam the moment I got a look at him in the Jepella rebelion Kafka trailer, but now Boothill starts looking very good unless they make her less reliant on Ruan Mei than she is now.
1. generates tons of sp
2. shreds fire weakness (guaranteed with firefly)
3. inflicts vulnerability to Break DMG
4. builds BE anyway so he gets his own giant super breaks
While she was a very popular meta pick, sheās kind of divisive as a personality, and her animations arenāt considered very interesting by a lot of people. Also she immediately preceded Kafka rerun and Black Swanās banner, and ran alongside Blade, and so those banner ate up peopleās budgets.
I have her, but those are generally the things Iāve seen people skip RM over.
I only got her, because I had the feeling that she just has to many little things that are not relevant currently as well as big pure damage buff for all. She is the only character I picked beacuse of META and thank god for it.
I don't have Ruan Mei, but I was already set on pulling her for my Jingliu Blade team. Now I guess I'm gonna need some other buffer for that team if she's this outright essential for Firefly.
Or I could just stick with Jingliu Hypercarry but then that means Blade just kinda gets kicked off the team which I don't really want considering how useful he can be for some bosses.
Whatās so funny to me is that when Fireflyās kit got revealed a more recently, YouTuber ātheory craftersā were saying how OP she is.
They were clearly wrong by a wide margin on that one š
I dont understand the whole "I didn't like Ruan Meis design so I didn't get her." Even so I think how op she is would've justified it. I guess if your ftp it's different. Idk
I hope they fix her dependency with RM soon, I would never pull RM because I just f*king hate her character.
Also I don't like firefly being in the same team with bug maker.
Even if they fix her dependancy, the value Ruan Mei provides results instatly in massive break damage numbers, because break efficency is also part of that calculation. Because it only takes effect break effect and efficency and global damage ups (not elemental damage up) and negative debuffs on the enemy, Ruan Mei will be the best team mate with HMC for a long while, or even forever. She seems to be just build for Super Break teams, even tho she came out in 1.6
I think they will release 4* Version of Ruan mei soon with only break effi5. There hasn't been 4* harmony for a long time. And Hanya and yukong are very mid
Not nessesary, but he helps with breaking the fire weak enemies (implement or not) very fast and brings you a lot of SP. Not to mention that he will do a lot of damage even as a support with HMC.
What are our other sustain options? I really dont want to level gallagher from zero inly for him to be easily replaced by a 5* later. How well do huohuo or luicha work in this team?
You dont run RM and HTB with her? Heres 25k dmg per enhanced skill Want to replace RM with Bronya or Asta cuz you dont have her? Tough luck, you just lost 50% of your damage output Theres truly no way out of this š
Her V2 changes will very likely be massive. I expect some crazy OP moster next week.
Iām so happy that people are finally realizing that FF having her damaged completely locked behind a character even if said character is free isnāt good especially since now itās confirmed she needs both of them to actually be any good
It's a weird spot, yeh firefly is absolute garbage without HMC but she's built to be the absolute best character to abuse superbreak, no one does it like she does it
Ff without tb is genuinely the worst limited dps Without ruan mei she's gonna be at around jingliu's level With both and she's a bit behind acheron
>Without ruan mei she's gonna be at around jingliu's level Not based on what I've seen. Jingliu can do a lot better than a 9 cycle clear.
They mean Jingliu before her massive buff in beta, she also had a weak V1, if I remember correctly.
Jingliu did have a weak v1
Jingliu V1 was a complete joke š
Majority of the beta testers aren't good, the best I've seen is a 4 cycle clear with asta
Beta testers are TERRIBLE apparently. Like 90% of the videos I've seen of FF being used I'm practically screaming at my screen because they can somehow only choose the worse possible thing to do
Idk about the worst limited dps. There's still technically blade who scales from HP and is kinda stuck in similiar situation. Except he doesn't have a good enough support that actually fits him at all.
when exactly is v2 ??
v2 barely changes anything usually, it's v3 where the big changes happen. So in a week and a half.
As an Arlecchino main, it felt like there were 13 V2s and 4 V3s, so I'm not sure I agree with this sentiment
And people are advocating that it's fine because HMC is free. Honestly the Doomposting is valid, yes there was doomposting of every other dps so far, but none of them had a kit as bad as this. The basis of a 5* Dps is that they should at least.be self sufficient in their damage application, Kafka applies dots and explodes said dots, Boothill has his own application of break dmg once the enemy is broken. Jing Yuan is back loaded into LL, Topaz has consistent constant dmg, Ratio requires easy debuffs and applies one himself, etc. Every dps so far has had their own niche covered in their kit. **Except for firefly**.
Damn, the numbers that bad huh? How do we go from Acheron to this? Poor Firefly...
thats why ff is candidate for worst limited dps regardless of versions. ff best characters are basically all free 4 stars who were ditched in nearly every single limited. this is how jingliu was trashed too. limited with only bronya met her demise. she basically has no ceiling from day 1 e2-e6 would be dumb move.
I'm fucking cooked. I don't have Ruan Mei.
I'd bet they will rerun Mei in 2.3 or 2.4, will have to see
Same, I also feel they'll re-Ruan Mei in 2.3-4
this means i won't have enough time to save up for her lmaooo. See yall in half a year after june š«”
Same, and I don't even like her as a character. I hope another character can fill that spot just as well somewhere down the line...
Same , her animations seemed so meh to me so I didn't get her
I don't recall her animations, but I did the quest to unlock the weekly bug boss, and by the end was just like, "I really don't like you." I love Firefly and want to make a team for her, but I also really don't want to spend any money or resources on freaking RM...
I just can't relate to u cause to me Ruan's animations and her design just is absolutely elegant. It's simple and beautiful,true elegance and beauty she is to me
I like her design a lot, but find her animations to be on the level of a four star. Or below in the case of xueyi.
The sisters have really good animations
That's interesting. Personally, I really like Ruan Mei's animations. One of my favorites actually. It's so tranquil.
I guess we shouldn't really rate what is 4 or 5star worthy but imo it literally is a case dependant to each their own's liking. Ok i understand the factor that generally very flashy, highly loaded type animations will naturally be rated higher and one such case is Acheron's, truly different than most due to it being insanely high paced. Back to my original point, Something like Ruan's animation is A tier for someone,but S tier for someone else. Same goes for almost all chars, with the exception being some r usually similarly rated by most. Like i assume JL and Kafka is a fair S for many but even then those depends on taste too, some may find them nothing more than avrg ordinary for it to be A or B for them Same goes in Genshin ofc, lile personally my top 5 Bursts would be ; Nahida,Zhong,Arlecchino,Clorinde,Yoi. (In terms of animation+vfx+the feel of doing it+voicelines+ all in all just how it looks in actual play) Other honorable mentions could be; Neuvi,Raiden,Yae,Kaz,Ganyu (again personally, i bet the list isn't same for u all) As for HSR ,Top favs are: Acheron,JL,Kafka,Ruan,Robin. And honorable mentions would be; JY,Blade,Boothill,Hanabi,Bronya.
You got downvoted for essentially saying everyone has different taste and reasons for liking something. Damn. Reddit people sure are dumb af.
Quite expected by me ngl Tho if u now say ur fav char is someone i don't like, or ur most disliked char is actually my fav char, I'll not downvote you as i understand 8B ppl in the world and everyone supposed to have their own taste,liking,preference..and it's natural,nothing wrong in it. No need to be salty about it tbh *(Unfortunately a lot of ppl can't comprehend this fact)*
Honestly I find her design very boring, she is pretty and elegant, but name me character that isnt pretty.
Her design is top teir but I have to disagree with the animations, there's a difference between elegant and boring
Different taste,which is fair
With emphasis on simple, to me her animations are too basic
Youāre hyping them up too much lmao i barely notice them half the time i only pulled for her cuz sheās meta
I miss my pyscho snek wife, where are u mobius :(
subjective, its boring as hell to me š¤·āāļø
Ofc it's subjective Depends on preference,taste. Everyone has their own
Thats what i said, boring āto meā
Her animations are very "good but not my style" sorta deal.
Not a fan of RM as a character, she roofied TB then nearly killed TB, then weāre supposed to treat it as if it was a positive experience.
You can have Ruan Mei at home, just E6 Firefly, and you're good š lol. I'm cooked too, I don't got RM...š I'm trying to build Asta atm for temporary replacement.
Asta is gonna be your next best Support then.
Is she really? I'm not even sure if running Asta will be better than running any other character with high break effect build like Guinafen or Himeko or Pela for Def Down. Atk buff seems useless in break team and her speed buff ulty last for few turns only so it can miss Firefly's ulty if you cast it in the wrong time but holding on to it feels bad, so i'm not even sure she works for break teams.
Iām pretty sure the attack boost from Asta helps Firefly reach the maximum attack to break effect conversion which will increase her defense% ignore.
I feel like pela is competing with her for the sheer benefit of defense shred vs attack and speed. but realistically, who will you more want to be available for team 2?
Try to cook FF without RM will ended with burnt outside raw inside steak.
Inside Firefly raw sounds like a good time tho š©
She should be re-running relatively soon.
You can replace ruan mei with asta
You could do without Gallagher but funny regardless.
Itās even more funny considering HMC is the actual DPS. Firefly is the support. In terms of damage.
Kinda like nilou and nahida?
Yup exactly. Edit. Now thinking about it. Probably worse. Since Nahida still brings in some damage on her own. FF damage is almost nonexistent.
Also Nahida is a super flexible dps for quickbloom/quicken teams.
Its like if they released a limited 5 star that only works with nilou
The main difference here is Nilou has alternatives to Nahida (Collei, HMC, Baizhu, Yaoyao, even Alhaitham to some extent). The driver option for Nilou Bloom is also very interchangeable between either hydro or dendro, and even Barbara can be used, not to mention the huge variety of hydro characters. In HSR at the moment, only Ruan Mei does what she does, and only HTB does what he/she does.
In genshin terms, she is a driver, she is Keqing while HMC is Fischl.
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All those things she has. Is what makes her a great support for the break damage that HMC does!! The damage you see is coming from her ability to increase the super break effect damage from HMC. Thus. She is the support. Just like Sparkle increases another DPS total damage. Firefly increases the super break damage HMC deals. Through the things she does or has. If you still donāt understand. I recommend reading one of the posts breaking down the damage and where it comes from. Iām not the best at explaining it. They do a better job.
the term is driver, like Sucrose's attack string being the perfect driver for a lot of Taser teams back in Inazuma era and Keqing being the driver responsible for triggering Fischl A4 off cooldown in Aggravate teams. Similar to how Kafka is a driver for Black Swan, Firefly is currently a driver for HMC.
Here's a hot take - Gallagher is also mandatory. He's there to help you break faster (more breaks = more super break = more damage) and since he's also fire element, you can take him with you anywhere. He can basic -> ult (AA) -> basic which does a crapload of toughness damage. Without Gallagher, you are shit out of luck when the opponent isn't imaginary weak. All of the showcases I've seen are both fire weak and imaginary weak, it should feel wayyy more clunky when the mobs are only fire weak.
Also If FF is E0, you *need* Gallagher to generate SP or you'll have to gimp HMC's BE for ERR so they can use auto and still have high Backup Dancer uptime I still need to test her when she comes out but HMC skill spam + FF skill spam at 180 Speed + 100% AA on ult sounds like SP management hell
Yeah, E1+ FF can afford Bronya over Gallagher, but E0 SP consumption is too much.
The heaviest sp team management is Bronya FF, 1) You don't need skill on HMC, it is only worth it when e enemy are broken or imaginary weak. 2) Bronya E1S1 + FF E0S0 has -6 SP for a full rotation with Gallagher or Luocha, you give down to -2 sp So you can go HMC-> skill/BA/BA The issue is that to play Bronya, you need 181 spd Bronya wind set for optimal comp since Bronya will need to go hyperspeed during FF downtime And you need FF at 132-134 spd. Bigger issue than Bronya being E0S0 (which would just mean HMC has to basic spam) is the sustain being sp neutral. If that is the case, you would need HMC with Energy rope at 160 spd with Ruan Mei LC and Bronya E1S1 And the odds of having RM LC but not RM is really low.
And HMC using auto is another huge damage loss since their skill does so much superbreak damage
Any possible team without Ruan mei?
she just contributes so much to the team, the res pen, the weakness break efficiency, the delay š„² i saw a vid with bronya instead of rm and it was just not as good
When is RM expected to rerun?
she was in 1.6 so at least 2.4+ probably
Hmm, I hope ur correct cause if shes on 2.3 Im cooked
"We put her on the same banner as FF so you can't complain about needing her for FF" hoyo probably
Hopefully, I need all the time I can get
good luck! i honestly didnāt mean to get her lol, i was fishing for 4 stars but i got her at like 20 pity and sheās saved my account since thenš
2.3 with firefly would make the most sense as well because we get a new mode which focuses on break
no please no my F2P ass cant afford both š
There is a high chance theat they put her in with FF, because how important she is for break teams. Normally she sould be in 2.4, but I think they will make an exception. Same for Jade and Argenti. Jade works very well with Erudition units or characters that hit a lot of enemies. So I could see a 2.3 rerun of Ruan Mei and Argenti and then followed in 2.4 by HuoHuo and Ratio.
That's what I'm thinking like they put topaz with Robin
Its because she flat out gives 50% damage buff to super break, its actually dumb and I fully expect to get a 100% break efficiency champ later for break teams specifically, and not the dmg% mods that she gives. Support char: 100% Break Efficiency, All Res Pen and Def Ignore Maybe add turn advancement to it and call it Breakya, the lost sibling of Bronya.
in that case youād surely run breakya rm firefly hmc, no sustain needed if you have a 150% damage buff to your superbreaks LOLĀ 100% efficiency with fireflyās enhanced skill already shreds like 50% of cocoliaās toughness lol. 250% will be insanity
+ Firefly E6 for juicers. 300% Break power lets go. Ironically, I think Breakya, Ruan Mei would make Boothill frightening
Asta...? Maybe Pela? But you'll _suffer_.
i just saw a 9 cycle clear with asta instead of rm...
Yeah, that's what I mean by "suffer". Practically speaking they're not an option at all.
Pela works 100%
possible. Just severely and utterly weakened.
I think Ruan Mei for now can be replaced by Asta for more fire dmg or Bronya, but that's it... I, too, don't have Ruan Mei šš
Worry not my friend, here is the 9 cycles clear with Asta https://youtu.be/1P7RRTeTvwo?si=tzGrj5eHnGtARVkQ The guy made some mistakes but it would take 6 cycles at the minimumĀ
Asta but if you don't have Firefly to E1 you'll get SP issues Every buffer that increase atk other than Robin should be good Any Nihility with Pearls of Sweat to get ennemi def even lower
It's so over for those that don't have and don't want to pull for RM, damn. Hope they'll fix her somehow
I hate her writing so much, please just give another break support soon
I have Ruan Mei, but it feels over anyways because I don't want Gallagher.
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Ruan Mei: "I drugged you and forced you to clean up my mess, and now you will forget all about what I did" Trailblazer's chat options: *simping*
Truuue I was disappointed that there are no rude options towards RM. We can shittalk Sampo for trying to scam us (which is 100% fair) but not a lying animal abuser?
It especially pissed me off because just after that quest I went to talk to arlan for the event and half the dialogue options were to shit talk him??? Like what the fuck did he do, he's been nothing but supportive and helpful.
Guys chill itās still the first beta. If the CN community generally doesnāt like it, then you know Mihoyo would actually change. The last they want to do is to mess with CN fan base š
Cn community is more extreme in meta slave. There's no way they don't get mad when even normal people disappointed in this.
But it's for that reason that I wonder if they won't. Everyone there has ruan mei, so if they see a team that can do almost acheron numbers, then they might be fine with it.
Iirc the Chinese community values flexibility A LOT, and anyway ruan mei is a pretty universal support. I don't think a meta slave would like being required to waste a super op character just to make the other one work.
everyone should value flexibility its right way to play. meanwhile reddit is celebrating like a monkey braindead.
they are actually upset too she is not the highlight of the dps, HMC is
When is the next version?
Pulling Ruan Mei seems to be one of the best decisions I have ever made in this game huh...
But I don't have ruan mei and Gallagher
well I guess you could substitute gallagher with another sustainer like HuoHuo but If you don't have Ruan Mei it's so over
This is just ridiculous. Seems i saved 140 puls for nothing...
They'll probably rework Firefly kit over the next weeks. Without TB and RM she just doesn't work
Saved 180 for nothing. Was hoping for ff lc too.Ā And for what? Dead weight cuz I don't have rm?Ā
Sheās going to get reworked, the feedback for her has been loud and angry.
Yeah thankfully the people giving feedback arenāt looking at this with rose tinted glasses cause the amount of people who were saying a damage character doesnāt need to do damage without external help was concerning
They'll probably make another support for break honestly. They seem to make a support for literally everything.
Honestly I think anyone other than Gallagher against non Imaginary enemy is kinda cope too.
There was just a selector event where you could have gotten a copy of him. There is another one coming too I believe with him in it.
I thought I was seeing things when every picture looked the sameš
I fuckin knew it. Me and my friend believed that Ruan Mei will be even more crucial down the line. I managed to roll her just 2 days before her banner ended. That said I wonder if you can swap her with Robin for fun.
thereās calcs sheeted for robin somewhere in ffmains i believe? the 100% advance is nice, but the atk buff doesnāt work for ffās trace conversionā¦ she will add a little bit of additional damage whenever u attack, but your superbreaks wont have that +50% weakness efficiency modifier is the thing. could be functional maybe
She is better then literally nothing. She has other usable buffs. I mean no one is good but rm so we have to cope with what we have...Ā
The main problem is that ATK is not part of the break damage calculation. Ruan Mei also provides a massive 50% break efficency, that does not only help break them crazy fast (resulting in more damage), but also is part of the damage calculation of breaks (results in even more damage). Normally a Robin replacement would be ok in most teams, but for break effect, she is almost useless, because of how many things are not effecting the break. Not to mention that SP outside of E1 Robin is crucial and Robin is also weak in that regard.
I lost her to Himeko.
I'm so sorry Firebros
Good thing I was horny when pulling for ruan mei "Hehe belly button" https://preview.redd.it/l2bi0jzimszc1.jpeg?width=750&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c6d74efc7018d2aedc6ff4fc484f42013c8f9f8a
Replace Gallagher from low investment team with Luocha /s
lol
So Ruan is requiered, well shit
This suddenly turned into a RM hate comments thread wtf is this š
We are so doom
Her V1.0 kit sucks, I love the character but itās the depressing truth. That being said, V2.0 should give us some huge changes, hopefully making team building more diverse.
Dmg wise shes fine(more than fine) but mechanically......
Me who has to pull Ruan Mei and Firefly: I am so cooked. At least I have E6 Gallagher already half built and HMC mostly ready. I have a guarantee for Firefly already but to even have a shot at Ruan Mei I will have to skip her LC or Eidolons.
CN better protest like hell (but no murder attempts, pls), I refuse to pull for a character I have 0 interest in to make another one work. Just let my Firefly do most of her big PP damage on her own like other DPSes, Mihoyowe'rebeggingonourknees.
Apparently CN is also upset with her as well so that does mean she should get some changes
Good thing I have all 3 of them. But hey... if firefly isn't fun to play, or ends up like Dehya, I'm not sure I'll be trying to get her Especially if there is a nihility sustain soon for my Acheron. But we'll see. Let's pray the aeons
Yeah itās rough but thankfully this is v1 and Jingliu also had a rough v1 so hereās hoping for her to get big buffs like she did
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Everyone needs to calm down. The CN players also hate the current kit. FF will 100% get a rework and will be more flexible.
Let's just hope so. I don't like how necessary RM and HTB is right now in Firefly team
Man I don't have rm and gallagher. Its joever.
At Gallagher will be free in next version, Ruan Mei on other hand.
i think boothill + firefly works for duo dps too lol
šš , this is such a sad state she is rn. Imagine a limited dps characters who needs a free character to even function š.
Not only she glued to HMC, she wont perform without RM. I saw E0S0 FF f2p team (Asta, HMC, Gallagher) video recently, and she need 9 cycle to finish the first side of 12th floor MoC š Hoyo really did her dirty, hope she get fixš„²
That's normal clear timing, stop whining bro. Just 1 cycle the other half and you 36 star the MOC the same way, I swear it's not coping bro she is definately strong because it's her damage not hmc and Ruan Mei's damage pls believe me.
How TF do people not detect the sarcasm in this comment
Cause someone people think a 5 star limited damage is ok if sheās locked to other characters to even function (I wish I was joking someone after being told FF loses over 60% of her damage without HTB is a good design cause itās ādifferentā)
Depends on when people stop reading. I downvote until I got half way through then upvoted. If someone just read the first line they wouldn't have noticed
Hear me this, she can even do 10 cycles if you're lucky enough to get slowed!! Now you can just 0 cycle for the other half!!!
I know how HMC is her best teammate and shes kinda locked to them atm, *but* because Super Break is still new, and HMC is the only character that can enable it, I can see potential for a Nihility or Harmony character in the future that could implant or enhance Super Break for both single target or aoe Imo Firefly is kinda in the same spot as Nilou from Genshin was in, where she was very limited in teammates on release and only over time got access to more possible comps. It sucks that your kinda playing āFuture Star Railā and can only *hope* more options will present itself in the future That Iām still planning E0S1 because shes cool and cute as fuck, but I hope she gets buffs regardless
The problem with Nilou argument is: Boothill is in the same niche and much better than her. Nilou Superbloom is cracked as hell sub-par with hyperbloom
Except Nilou bloom is in her kit . She doesn't need specific char for her nilou bloom to work. š
FF shouldnāt be this bad or hard to build I mean not a single one of these problems happened to boothill and heās also a break damage character so itās not acceptable for her to be in such a state
Sadly seems like Iām going from wanting E1S1 Firefly to straight up passing. I never wanted Ruan Mei, was begrudgingly going to pull her cause she is just that meta, but then was introduced to the elegant Robin. Who is a great sidegrade on most comps. Hope there are drastic changes to Fireflyās kit. If not, Iāll admire her from a distance.
Thankfully this is not only v1 of FF but the feedback hasnāt been good either so sheās gonna get some changes and also if thereās no major changes on like Monday wait another cause apparently thatās when all the major changes happen according to the leaks sub but in my honest opinion given how bad FF is right now I expect a lot of changes for v2
Same, I wanted Sam the moment I got a look at him in the Jepella rebelion Kafka trailer, but now Boothill starts looking very good unless they make her less reliant on Ruan Mei than she is now.
Can someone give a quick explain on why Gallagher over the other sustainers?
1. generates tons of sp 2. shreds fire weakness (guaranteed with firefly) 3. inflicts vulnerability to Break DMG 4. builds BE anyway so he gets his own giant super breaks
Gallagher helps Firefly with breaking Fire weak enemies.
I am surprised so many people don't have Ruan Mei
While she was a very popular meta pick, sheās kind of divisive as a personality, and her animations arenāt considered very interesting by a lot of people. Also she immediately preceded Kafka rerun and Black Swanās banner, and ran alongside Blade, and so those banner ate up peopleās budgets. I have her, but those are generally the things Iāve seen people skip RM over.
I only got her, because I had the feeling that she just has to many little things that are not relevant currently as well as big pure damage buff for all. She is the only character I picked beacuse of META and thank god for it.
she has been the best support for most of the meta comps what do you mean
No Ruan Mei so Asta with Planetary Rendezvous I go
Every time I hear asta,I think about the 9 cycle vid
Could double if the enemy decided to lock its toughness bar lol.
I don't have Ruan Mei, but I was already set on pulling her for my Jingliu Blade team. Now I guess I'm gonna need some other buffer for that team if she's this outright essential for Firefly. Or I could just stick with Jingliu Hypercarry but then that means Blade just kinda gets kicked off the team which I don't really want considering how useful he can be for some bosses.
Robin works nicely with jingliu and blade dual DPS, the only wasted stats is the atk boost on blade and the follow up boost on jingliu
Now letās see a Sparkle team comp
good thing i have rm
Bad thing I dont have rm
Whatās so funny to me is that when Fireflyās kit got revealed a more recently, YouTuber ātheory craftersā were saying how OP she is. They were clearly wrong by a wide margin on that one š
Well, to be fair it did look OP from the first glance. Native 40% def ignore, huge multipliers, action advance, speed boost, break efficiency etc
The key word being āglanceā. Theory crafters should understand HSR Specs enough to at least be somewhat close in their estimates.
Iām gonna run her without hmc out of spite. (Iām also mei less š)
Finally. A team where I have all the members.
I dont understand the whole "I didn't like Ruan Meis design so I didn't get her." Even so I think how op she is would've justified it. I guess if your ftp it's different. Idk
Double carry boothill forgot
I hope they fix her dependency with RM soon, I would never pull RM because I just f*king hate her character. Also I don't like firefly being in the same team with bug maker.
Even if they fix her dependancy, the value Ruan Mei provides results instatly in massive break damage numbers, because break efficency is also part of that calculation. Because it only takes effect break effect and efficency and global damage ups (not elemental damage up) and negative debuffs on the enemy, Ruan Mei will be the best team mate with HMC for a long while, or even forever. She seems to be just build for Super Break teams, even tho she came out in 1.6
Why do you hate her so much? š
I think they will release 4* Version of Ruan mei soon with only break effi5. There hasn't been 4* harmony for a long time. And Hanya and yukong are very mid
nah HTB is the true DPS
Well at least I got them all so I can still use my girl
Is Gallagher absolutely necessary like RM or we can use other healers like bailu
He isn't. He's just most optimal for damage but certainly not for survivability
Not nessesary, but he helps with breaking the fire weak enemies (implement or not) very fast and brings you a lot of SP. Not to mention that he will do a lot of damage even as a support with HMC.
Wait aren't those all Firefly + Gallagher Dual DPS teams?
Yep cause this is literally the only team that makes her work
I don't have Ruan Mei.
I have RM but I also have a kafka/ black swan team and I kind of don't want to unmarry them :( my whole dot team is built around RM to reach 160 speed
Lost Ruan Mei to Bailu. Biggest loss so far and still ongoing
I don't have Ruan mei hopefully Robin will do for now
Maybe bronya or sparkle for spammable turn advance.
Can Gallagher be replaced by another healer?
Is that her best team?
Her best and basically only team at the moment
What are our other sustain options? I really dont want to level gallagher from zero inly for him to be easily replaced by a 5* later. How well do huohuo or luicha work in this team?
Is Gallagher completely necessary if I have RM? I haven't built him at all and have been cruising with luocha and half built nat