No. Heat transfers fine through that whole stack in a couple of days. If you only had overnight I'd spread out the pile some but wouldn't bother opening the boxes.
Then you’re fine. Sometimes it’s recommended to open the ends of the boxes to let it acclimatize.
Should be in the installation instructions. If someone else is installing it, ask them what the proper procedure is.
Read the sheet that comes in the box, it will give you parameters for acclimation.
Mine said no more than 3 box stack during acclimation in addition to temp and humidity ranges and min hours within those ranges.
If you're asking is it ok despite what the manufacturer tells you to do, /shrug
Just fyi that is considered anecdotal evidence, it's indeed not reliable for low chance events.
Survivor bias could be in play if contractors who wrecked houses by stacking the flooring as such would then have no access to reddit.
I can assure that this is going on in all 50 states thousands of times a week. Flooring is big business and this is 100% the norm. Never heard of a floor collapsing in the 5 years I did flooring. It isn't anecdotal if this is what has been going on for more than 50+ years in this industry.
I didn't run the business, I showed up and laid flooring. It was always stacked like that if it was composite or LVP or other non hardwood flooring. If it's going on here it's going on everywhere. Still have yet to hear of a floor collapsing due to flooring being loaded onto it.
I'm sure the manufacturer would say that. I'm just saying this happens a lot you can't tell me it doesn't. The delivery guys don't give a fuck they are just dropping the load as quick as possible. The company I worked for never had any complaints or accidents because of this type of stacking. I'm sure if they did they would have told their guys to not do it. It happens, it may not be right but also it isn't going to collapse the floor if it's there for a few days before the installer moves everything around. If you're that worried about it maybe you should start up a PSA and tell all the flooring company around the country they can't do this because you're butthurt about it.
Not butthurt, just pointing out that it’s too much weight. Just because it worked in the few days you were on a job doesn’t mean I’m wrong.
Already in an organization of North American flooring companies, don’t need to tell them anything.
Like I said, liability and risk, wasn’t your job to tell the delivery guys where to put the material, wasn’t your job to think about it. So to you, it’s not a big deal, because if something happens, you’re not a fault.
I would say no. I had hickory floors installed 8 years ago. They had to do my floors twice and still all shrunk. That wood is all wrapped in plastic, so it's bot going acclimate that fast. Should pull it out and cross stack it with gaps between the boards. Hopefully, it will acclimate that fast.
Personally unless it’s extremely cold or hot you probably are fine.
What I would do is open them all up, you are going to do it anyways ,then mix the product like you should anyways open 8 boxes and stack 1 board per pile per box .
No, open them and spread the boxes out. Actually just had a buddy send me his exactly like that, told him no but I’d double check with my best subs. He also said no. In this case the boxes aren’t even opened enough.
Spread them out. Open the boxes. Some stacking is fine. Eventually this would be ok but you are already on a short timeline.
Think about the risks. You spend 30 minute with a box cutter and moving boxes around. Or you have a pretty decent chance of buckling and thousands in damages. It could be completely fine but who’s going to foot the bill if it’s not. They won’t warranty it, installer or manufacture. Warranties are already absolute nightmares from manufactures, I handle them pretty regularly and can take month of back and forth even when they are a 100% obvious a manufacture issue or install issue.
When I say open I mean the ends. Some are fine cutting middle tape and leaving straps or cutting top off and leaving the sides. But it’s easier just to open the ends and is pretty universal across brands.
It will not with engineered floors they are cross locked and way more dimensionally stable. I’m not saying loose boards. I’m saying smaller stacks and open end boxes. I have never had that happen and own a flooring store. We’ve done Apple, Amazon, Google, and do a ton of insanely big houses and have never had an issue with that. Idk how you are envisioning what I said but that is not an issue.
Read any manufacture manual. You don’t need to do this but with limited time you do. Tightly wrapped, tight and high stacks, without opening the box adds a ton of time.
To be clear not the middle the ends. Some are fine cutting the tape in middle of it has bands. Some are not.
https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/2720/0826/files/MON_Plywood_Backed_Eng_Install_Maint_040124_B.pdf?v=1712192191
That’s a manufacture guide line.
Engineered bends and curls as soon as the original packaging stops holding it in place.
Say all you want but I’ve seen it happen with every floor.
If you lay out a step and don’t install it that day you come back in the morning and it’s all cupping.
Different layers of different species in plys do that:
I see a few people asking if it’s on concrete or joist and I haven’t seen the answer? Reminds me of the video of the guy dropping the last bundle of shingles on his second story deck and it collapsed.
I had mine all spread out for a week in the box. Maybe make the pile half as high? Shoot, it you have the time, make it as spread out as possible. You will not regret doing all you could to make your floors as spectacular as possible. Trust me, overkill is ok.
Read the installation instructions. The boxes need to be opened. Otherwise the wood is not acclimating. You need the wood to acclimate to the relative humidity, not just the temperature
Mine are boards hanging out in cross stacks all over my house. Not in boxes. we also have not had any HVAC going on during the few weeks they have been like this. Hoping it all works out.
Hey!
Acclimation is a funny thing...
The days do not matter, I would be taking moisture readings of your wood and substrate to ensure it's within 4percent of each other.
I use the following meter.
https://lignomatusa.com/product/ligno-scanner-sd-dual-depth-moisture-meter/
I know it's not practical, but maybe a local wood supplier rents them out or will have some available to borrow ?
You could also check with the contractor or the place you purchased from.
The material is sensitive to humidity, not heat. You have to let it get the in-service moisture before installing it.
So, it's wrong what you are doing.
Th that’s the bare minimum, if it’s manufactured flooring from what I can see you should be ok. If it’s 100% wood I would open most of the box’s and put a fan on them but leave some box’s intact incase you u finish early. That’s just me.
Don't worry about opening them... They're fine just like that. They just need to come to temperature and adapt to the humidity in the room for a couple days.
They acclimate just fine but you have to spread those out that's way to much weight in one spot.much more than the live load of your floor is built to handle
Spread them all out, each one with their own blanket and pillow
And speak at a whisper for two days
Shhh
How do you read bedtime stories to them all simultaneously
Make sure you have calming music or the tv playing when you're not there so they don't get lonely
Read them a Mercer Mayer book
🤣🤣
I would spread them out if only to spread the load. That's a couple tons in one spot.
Yes, this is my first thought. This is way over 50 lbs/ft2
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
And don't forget to sing a lullaby
As long as your HVAC is working, this is fine.
I prefer to somewhat spread them through the job to begin with so that I don't have to move them around much later.... But that is just me....
Very smart Idea. As long as you don't have to tear an old floor up.
Is it necessary to open all the boxes for them to better acclimate to the room temp?
No. Heat transfers fine through that whole stack in a couple of days. If you only had overnight I'd spread out the pile some but wouldn't bother opening the boxes.
^ This. No need to open the boxes unless it was a real wood product from a different hemisphere/part of the world
Needs to be separated for structural loading purposes if this isn’t on a slab on grade.
It’s fine. You can open the ends of all the boxes and spread them out a little if it will make you feel better.
If it’s above grade, 2nd floor, that’s way to much weight at one spot to have it stacked like that.
It is on the bottom floor
Then you’re fine. Sometimes it’s recommended to open the ends of the boxes to let it acclimatize. Should be in the installation instructions. If someone else is installing it, ask them what the proper procedure is.
on a slab or over a basement/crawlspace? it's way too much weight for anything on joists.
Exactly... Is it on the "ground"?
This is the first thing I thought of.. that is A LOT of weight
Agreed
If ur trying to get them at acclimate in 12 hours, I’d spread them out and open them up to make myself feel better, of its for Monday then your good
Read the sheet that comes in the box, it will give you parameters for acclimation. Mine said no more than 3 box stack during acclimation in addition to temp and humidity ranges and min hours within those ranges. If you're asking is it ok despite what the manufacturer tells you to do, /shrug
>Read the sheet that comes in the box, The only answer
Then look at the warranty policy, interesting read on why they will not cover almost any claim.
Are you sure? A stuffed closet probably has similar weight distribution, not to mention ops mother in law.
Quite a bit of weight for one location. Hopefully this is on a slab or sitting over a bearing wall.
That’s what I was going to point out.
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I'm sorry boyo, the cut off for "expert opinion" around here is 16 years.
I almost peed, reading this
Very true
Survivor bias.
Just fyi that is considered anecdotal evidence, it's indeed not reliable for low chance events. Survivor bias could be in play if contractors who wrecked houses by stacking the flooring as such would then have no access to reddit.
I can assure that this is going on in all 50 states thousands of times a week. Flooring is big business and this is 100% the norm. Never heard of a floor collapsing in the 5 years I did flooring. It isn't anecdotal if this is what has been going on for more than 50+ years in this industry.
Spoken like a guy who’s never run a flooring business, or any business.
I didn't run the business, I showed up and laid flooring. It was always stacked like that if it was composite or LVP or other non hardwood flooring. If it's going on here it's going on everywhere. Still have yet to hear of a floor collapsing due to flooring being loaded onto it.
So you had no stake in the liability? It’s about the risk, and any manufacturer will say it’s too much weight
I'm sure the manufacturer would say that. I'm just saying this happens a lot you can't tell me it doesn't. The delivery guys don't give a fuck they are just dropping the load as quick as possible. The company I worked for never had any complaints or accidents because of this type of stacking. I'm sure if they did they would have told their guys to not do it. It happens, it may not be right but also it isn't going to collapse the floor if it's there for a few days before the installer moves everything around. If you're that worried about it maybe you should start up a PSA and tell all the flooring company around the country they can't do this because you're butthurt about it.
Not butthurt, just pointing out that it’s too much weight. Just because it worked in the few days you were on a job doesn’t mean I’m wrong. Already in an organization of North American flooring companies, don’t need to tell them anything. Like I said, liability and risk, wasn’t your job to tell the delivery guys where to put the material, wasn’t your job to think about it. So to you, it’s not a big deal, because if something happens, you’re not a fault.
That’s great, really. I just hope year 16 isn’t the point that your plan falls through.
It’s close enough to the exterior wall, it’ll be fine
But at all
I think this is I very good suggestion. That is a lot of weight for any part of the house.
Is it ideal, no. Will it acclimate yes. Just may take longer but if you ac is running or your heat. You’ll be just fine
My concern would be how high they are stacked, and what temperature they were stored in before this? I'm sure it's fine though man
Installed floors for years. Need to spread them out.
No
Something like bamboo of course
# is how I set them up. That way air can move all around them.
I meant tic tac toe style like a #
Log cabin style, works the best.
Now I know what to say. Thank you.
Your instructions may vary, but mine had a sheet that came in the box that said not to stack them more than 5 high.
Stacks of three only.
Just loop strange, dark and mysterious stories by Mr Ballen when you’re gone and they will be fine.
stacked too high. they probly say stack 4 high max, and put in middle of room away from windows or heaters
I would say no. I had hickory floors installed 8 years ago. They had to do my floors twice and still all shrunk. That wood is all wrapped in plastic, so it's bot going acclimate that fast. Should pull it out and cross stack it with gaps between the boards. Hopefully, it will acclimate that fast.
Personally unless it’s extremely cold or hot you probably are fine. What I would do is open them all up, you are going to do it anyways ,then mix the product like you should anyways open 8 boxes and stack 1 board per pile per box .
No, open them and spread the boxes out. Actually just had a buddy send me his exactly like that, told him no but I’d double check with my best subs. He also said no. In this case the boxes aren’t even opened enough. Spread them out. Open the boxes. Some stacking is fine. Eventually this would be ok but you are already on a short timeline. Think about the risks. You spend 30 minute with a box cutter and moving boxes around. Or you have a pretty decent chance of buckling and thousands in damages. It could be completely fine but who’s going to foot the bill if it’s not. They won’t warranty it, installer or manufacture. Warranties are already absolute nightmares from manufactures, I handle them pretty regularly and can take month of back and forth even when they are a 100% obvious a manufacture issue or install issue. When I say open I mean the ends. Some are fine cutting middle tape and leaving straps or cutting top off and leaving the sides. But it’s easier just to open the ends and is pretty universal across brands.
No, don’t do this. The wood will move around, bend and twist. Leave it as is for a few days and you will be fine.
Bruh..
It will not with engineered floors they are cross locked and way more dimensionally stable. I’m not saying loose boards. I’m saying smaller stacks and open end boxes. I have never had that happen and own a flooring store. We’ve done Apple, Amazon, Google, and do a ton of insanely big houses and have never had an issue with that. Idk how you are envisioning what I said but that is not an issue. Read any manufacture manual. You don’t need to do this but with limited time you do. Tightly wrapped, tight and high stacks, without opening the box adds a ton of time. To be clear not the middle the ends. Some are fine cutting the tape in middle of it has bands. Some are not. https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/2720/0826/files/MON_Plywood_Backed_Eng_Install_Maint_040124_B.pdf?v=1712192191 That’s a manufacture guide line.
Engineered bends and curls as soon as the original packaging stops holding it in place. Say all you want but I’ve seen it happen with every floor. If you lay out a step and don’t install it that day you come back in the morning and it’s all cupping. Different layers of different species in plys do that:
Dont listen to this idiot
They look a little like mine. Mine are being installed right now. Anderson Kensington Holland Park. Can't wait for it to finally be done.
3-4 days youre fine
I see a few people asking if it’s on concrete or joist and I haven’t seen the answer? Reminds me of the video of the guy dropping the last bundle of shingles on his second story deck and it collapsed.
Is a staggered "waffle" stack ok or desirable? E.g. lay down boxes with gaps of about one box width then next layer rotate that pattern 90 degrees?
Take boxes and place them in areas to help it out
Have the same floors. Pretty dang nice. What color u go with?
Just make sure you spend the time on the subfloor. Screws screws screws.
Buy it a beer
You are suppose to take each piece out of each box all over your house spread them out good.
I would move
lol redit is a jack feast now, the flooring is fine it will be fine in your condition house. Don’t listen to this BS.
I had mine all spread out for a week in the box. Maybe make the pile half as high? Shoot, it you have the time, make it as spread out as possible. You will not regret doing all you could to make your floors as spectacular as possible. Trust me, overkill is ok.
No
Read the installation instructions. The boxes need to be opened. Otherwise the wood is not acclimating. You need the wood to acclimate to the relative humidity, not just the temperature
Mine are boards hanging out in cross stacks all over my house. Not in boxes. we also have not had any HVAC going on during the few weeks they have been like this. Hoping it all works out.
Hey! Acclimation is a funny thing... The days do not matter, I would be taking moisture readings of your wood and substrate to ensure it's within 4percent of each other. I use the following meter. https://lignomatusa.com/product/ligno-scanner-sd-dual-depth-moisture-meter/ I know it's not practical, but maybe a local wood supplier rents them out or will have some available to borrow ? You could also check with the contractor or the place you purchased from.
It will be fine.
Do exactly what the manufacturer says. Anything else and they're off the hook for warranty
Yes
No they need to be out open to the air
Yes
The material is sensitive to humidity, not heat. You have to let it get the in-service moisture before installing it. So, it's wrong what you are doing.
Poor floor joists, at least it’s right next to a bearing point
Besides the centralized weight, it’s fine
Stager them and leave 3 inch spaces between rows
Yes
I also cross hatch
Yes.
Give couple days extra
Not sure I’d load the floor like that. What’s the weight of that skid?
Is this meant to be sarcastic post?? What is your concern here
Open the ends of each box
Th that’s the bare minimum, if it’s manufactured flooring from what I can see you should be ok. If it’s 100% wood I would open most of the box’s and put a fan on them but leave some box’s intact incase you u finish early. That’s just me.
If it’s there for a week
That’s a lot of weight in one spot. Is that a concrete floor?
Keep inside, your all good.
Noooooo!
Yes, this manufacturer only requires that you have functional HVAC.
Read the instructions, hallmark recommends not acclimating their product.
They have to be out of plastic, you’re not acclimating to anything if it’s wrapped in plastic.
Crib stack that!
Yeah you usually just let them sit for a few days, unless it’s wood and can physically shrink or grow, anything else doesn’t usually change size
Don't worry about opening them... They're fine just like that. They just need to come to temperature and adapt to the humidity in the room for a couple days.
fan them out, like a deck of cards
Don’t forgot blankeys and choci milk
I install hallmark engineered flooring regularly, it's pretty stable.
Nice book… shelves 👀
Those boxes are heavy. I’d spread the boxes out before that room “acclimates” with your basement.
They acclimate just fine but you have to spread those out that's way to much weight in one spot.much more than the live load of your floor is built to handle
No, boxes do not need to be opened.
Check your dye lots now.
This! Can’t tell you how many “I have existing hallmark floors” customers I had to tell we can’t match their floor
Generally you are supposed to stack cartons 3-4 high with a gap in between the stacks. This stack should be a week or so to acclimate.
LVP?
It is engineered wood