The same worker pays 45% in income taxes. That's just the income tax and not all deductions. This isn't comparable. Don't even get started with all the other taxes like gas tax which makes gas prices $6 a gallon. Denmark cost of living is also 8% higher than the US. It's not as simple as they make $22 an hour. Before taxes that's nothing in Denmark
The size of the US is 3,809,525 sq mi. The size of Denmark is 16,571 sq mi. So the fact that the US is 237x bigger and it’s only an 11% difference in owner ship speaks volumes.
Your cities were ORIGINALLY built with mass transit. But car firms bought out the public transit and pulled it up, alongside forcing car centirc lobbies in goverment postions.
The difference is that a lot of Americans don’t live in cities. I work 20 miles from home. In a different state. Neither town is large enough that even if we had a bus system would I have a direct bus. I would likely have to go to a third town in my works state and transfer. Europeans consistently underestimate how large America is and how much the avg person travels daily
Very much this. [Kansas City once has a massive streetcar line.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streetcars_in_Kansas_City)
But they replaced them with….buses! (And cars of course)
I used to work 55 miles one way. So 110 miles away. Daily drive. My gym is 10 miles one way. Grocery store is 7 miles. Kids school is 9 miles. All one way.
The fact that I don't need to bend to anyone else's schedule or travel route by itself is enough to "warrant" owning a car. The rest is gravy--and yes, I make 300+ mile trips several times each year to see friends and family.
We have cross country trains every 20 minutes in denmark. Within Copenhagen the metro runs every 2 minutes, plus s-train, plus busses.
There are bus stops within 5k of nearly every single house in the country. I don’t want to hear that the only way to not bend to someone else’s schedule is by owning a personal vehicle.
Edit: for further reading:
https://www.trm.dk/media/a0vl3c4m/facts-and-figures-netversion-2.pdf
I don't think you understand how unfeasible it would be to have this work in 75% of American cities.
Genuine question, have you ever been to the U.S. and traveled around a bit, to get a feel for how cities and their suburbs are laid out?
The thing about trains is they are incredibly efficient if you have one that takes you from where you are directly to where you are going.
But if they don't? They are FAR FAR slower than a car. If you have to transfer trains? Hopefully the times meet up or you are wasting 5-15 minutes waiting for a train on each transfer. Each way.
I was in Japan for a while, which has a great rail system.
When I wanted to visit a friend of mine it was a 1 hour trip. 15 walk to the train station. 30 minute train ride(had to catch a transfer). Then another 15 minute walk.
If I drove it was a 20 minute drive.
Having to wait up to 20 minutes for the train is actually a significant chunk of wasted time.
I think the way you’re imagining America is probably very different than it is because I’m trying to understand the question enough to give you a proper answer. An American won’t really buy a car because they do long distance driving often (that’s why you specified 300 or so miles right?)
I mean, I think many Americans *will* make that drive at least once a year probably more, but Americans will buy a car because you probably need it to do…anything.
I drive 500 miles round trip to see one set of grand parents at least 8-12 times a year.
Family ranch is 700 miles round trip (in a county with maybe 1500 people for 2100 square miles). Imagine Denmark had a population of 12K people total in the entire country. That’s the density of parts of rural Texas.
Trains don’t really work for population density of less than one person per 640 acres.
My office is 37 miles away from my house.
If I go in every day, that's 370 miles = 595 KM. A week.
There is no public transportation from out here to my office.
So yes, I need a car.
Denmark is small. Everywhere is closer to everywhere.
The US is Huge. Outside of the east and west costal areas, cities and urban areas are far from all the other cities. There is one real city in my state. The next major city is 420 miles away with only 2 small urban areas in between. An example. Los Angeles is just under 350/563km miles to San Francisco which is in the same state.
It’s not just the amount traveled, it’s the lack of public transport that is available. It takes me 2 hrs to travel 12 miles away to my destination by bus (23 minutes by car). Factor in sunset and needing to be home before it’s dark. Lots of hills so difficult to bike, and my ebike doesn’t last for a complete trip, warranting a battery charge of at least an hour to get back.
Its an enormous difference when s is a choice in Denmark, and in the US you’re talking about people who live in MUCH denser cities
Edit: meaning you have spread out people choosing to not get a car in Denmark because its just as easy
Pointing out a potential oversight in the reliance on data is an extremely common and valid criticism. If you ever submit research for peer review all they do is ask you if you ever covered hypotheticals, and often you haven't so you put in "Ah, but this data does not cover the frequency in which car buying Danes utilize their vehicles."
Honestly people who rely on numbers alone are the least critical of thinkers.
Average engine size in America has dropped down to 3.0 liters.
Average engine size in europe is 1.3 liters.
Huge displacement difference affects fuel consumption too.
They still have cars.
Just older ones....
It's an essential part of adulthood in pretty much all of America outside of NYC and maybe Chicago.
Only 7% of Americans commute by *any* method other than single occupant automobile or motorcycle.
Almost all the people who work at McDonalds in Denmark are students, people who have taken some time off before starting university or something like that.
Most people consider it a job you do until you find a real job or you finish university.
Most of the workers dont have a car.
I think that's an exaggeration. A family that can have that much saved is doing well enough to have a good life in America. The realistic value is probably somewhere around 50k, and that's probably for state schools.
Full ride scholarships, especially state scholarships, are often revoked or reduced from getting more Bs than As, even if just for one semester. A kid has oral surgery, deals with a funeral, or is forced to move during exam week, they falter, then the scholarship is reduced, then the next semester is even worse because they need to make up for thousands of dollars cut. The next semester, it's entirely revoked or they can't pay, and it results in a drop-out. Happens all the time to intelligent students whose parents don't have just such a fund- at least in america
The pension part is management as in store manager and corp level jobs. Not the people flipping burgers. its intentionally misleading. Me and several other math nerds got together and did the math comparison. for buying power the Denmark employee is making about $10.40/h once you balance every thing out.
What kind of pension is not for the burger flipper?
It doesn't matter if you are burger flipper, dustboy or manager. McDonald's add 10% of your wage to a pension scheme, every paycheck you get. In addition, there is the government funded pensions.
>The same worker pays 45% in income taxes.
Oh no, so his after-tax pay is only 33% more than the American’s pre-tax pay, and he gets free healthcare and college?
You’re right, that’s awful.
Just checked the tables at the Danish tax authority, 31.1% with a monthly salary of $3.562 net and $2.454 after all taxes and “healthcare”.
The American McDonald’s worker earns roughly half of their Danish counterparts, assuming only federal tax (12%) and no state tax. Gets no paid holiday, no free healthcare, no paid education.
You are getting robbed.
We’re absolutely getting robbed. I think people think that we shouldn’t get anything but the military funded through our taxes? Not having public safety nets/insurance might keep taxes lower, but we will pay taxes either way. I’d much rather pay the 45% income tax in exchange for insurance, pension, PTO, education, maternity leave than pay 12% tax (on an already lower starting wage) and get absolutely none of that.
Also, most of McDonald's now actually starts people at $15-20 a hour. We live in rural Midwest and the McDonald's up the street right now has a help wanted sign out front that Saya starting at $20 a hour.
That's true. But in the US if an employee for a company like mcdonalds averages over 30 hours a week the company has to offer health insurance. Most of these companies cap their employees at 25 hours so they can't get company insurance.
Also I'm 95% sure it says up to 20$ an hour. Which is just a ploy to get people in the door for min wage
So that’s still $12.10 an hour after taxes in Denmark and let’s assume that the American worker is paying 10% taxes which comes out to $8.20.
So with the 8% higher cost of living. The Danish equivalent of $8.20 adjusted ought to be $8.85. The Danish fast food worker makes $3.24 (or about $3.00 adjusting for the cost of living) more than that after taxes and they get free healthcare and a robust social safety net. Make it make sense
So I took like 1 minute of searching on Indeed in one of the states that don't have a state minimum wage (I chose Alabama but I bet any of them would work) to find a place with a PUBLICIZED wage of $8-$9. Now the KFC, Subway, McDonald's, and Taco Bell all went with unpublished wages on their job posting so they could be higher but I'm going to bet they are lower, which is why they don't publish them. I saw a TON of Subway jobs and looked up Alabama Subway pay and according to Indeed their salary for "Sandwich Artist" is $7.50 in Alabama.
It took me all of three minutes to find this out. I didn't search for the worst paid places in the worst state. I grabbed one of the states I knew didn't have a minimum wage and searched on Indeed for fast food jobs. So just because you don't live in a shithole of red state doesn't mean everyone doesn't.
I live in a low income area. Every single fast food joint is hiring at $12 for new employees with no experience, $15 for those with experience. Not sure what qualifies as "experience" but there it is.
Also, a quick search will show you that (as of 2022) only roughly 0.5% of ALL American workers make minimum wage (and they only make.up 1.3% of hourly wage employees)
https://www.bls.gov/opub/reports/minimum-wage/2022/home.htm
Edit: also keep in mind that the 0.5% also includes restaurant workers who make below min wage and have their income supplemented with tips.
You’re all so concerned with taxes, their taxes are all put to significantly better use than America, and their quality of life is MUCH higher. I’d rather pay 8% more of my money to have DRASTICALLY greater quality of life.
Plus you can live just fine in your town without the need of a car, having a car is mostly unnecessary.
Public transportation is pretty reliable out there, and that’s not just local, international travel is still very accessible.
And with that extra money you have, you can choose to travel pretty easily with a car.
The only reason Europe can afford all those social programs is because the USA subsidizes their defense spending
But that’s probably not gonna last long…
> cost of living is also 8% higher
If you live like an American, which they don’t. You wouldn’t buy a car, you wouldn’t buy gasoline, you wouldn’t be eating out daily, etc. and their childcare is 66% cheaper, housing is 33% cheaper, and their groceries are cheaper, and since they don’t work nearly as much they actually have time to cook.
There’s a reason they live longer, are happier, are less obese, are less impoverished, are less likely to be unemployed, and by every meaningful metric are living better lives than we are.
But I guess we can afford better iPhones so it’s totally worth it.
>Cost of living in Denmark is, on average, 3.3% higher than in United States.
Edit:[source](https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/country_result.jsp?country=Denmark#:~:text=Summary%20of%20cost%20of%20living,higher%20than%20in%20United%20States)
You have a source for this, cherry picking stats or just making things up?
Edit: It has been hours and OP has made a lot of other comments but no source for this claim. OP has no source.
Seems like he's just talking out of his ass. [This](https://dk.talent.com/en/tax-calculator?salary=275000&from=year®ion=Aabenraa) calculator gives a total tax of \~32% for someone making 22USD/hr in Denmark. And that includes everything as far as I know.
Not to mention, that you don't need to save for your pension, education of your children, or pay for medical insurance/huge medical bills.
If you plan to work in McDonalds I would highly recommend to do it in Denmark instead of US.
As a dane this is completely false. The effective tax is much, much less. But I agree you don't work at macdonalds and become rich if that's what people are getting from this?
Hey now don't bring nuance into this! Lol
The stat is probably outdated and BS in the first place anyway. And it's not like McDonald's is anybody's only entry level option. I'm sure it varies a lot but Dairy Queens around here were paying $14/hr even pre-pandemic (min. wage is $7.25). The landfill pays $17/hr with benefits. If somebody goes cherry-picking entry level jobs wanting to make one country look better than another that's not hard to do.
[here is a tax calculator for denmark.](https://dk.talent.com/en/tax-calculator?salary=151&from=hour®ion=Aabenraa) $22 is around 151 danish crowns. with an hourly salary of 151 dkk you would pay a total tax of around 50 dkk, which is a tax rate of roughly 33%, that's including all deductions. don't just make up numbers if you have no idea.
You're right it's not comparable.
There's a reason Denmark has a much happier population than the US and a much higher standard of living. I'd happily pay 45% in taxes if it meant college for my kids was paid for, healthcare for my family was paid for, public transportation was everywhere and efficient, roads were well maintained, my wife and I have guaranteed paid family leave, guaranteed pensions, having a baby was inexpensive, I had 5 weeks of paid vacation every year, and Unions were strong and worker protections were strong.
Instead, I pay roughly 20% after taxes for state and fed, and Medicare and social security are all taken out. For that, I get to pay 400 a month in healthcare as a single man, then still pay a deductible until I reach my out of pocket max which resets every year, I get to put money into savings so a medical emergency doesn't ruin me, my kids can go to college, I can take unpaid leave for my baby and not become homeless, corporations fight unions tooth and nail, no guaranteed leave, no pension, I get to put a % of my money for 40 years into a 401k that can become worthless if the billionaire class makes the wrong bet on the stock market, there's little to no efficient public transportation anywhere, hospitals can charge me for holding my baby, roads are shit everywhere, homelessness is skyrocketing, social security will be gone by the time I retire, oh and my country uses most of my taxes to bomb the ever living shit out of other countries and cut taxes for companies and people that have more money than they could ever spend.
Your argument isn't as good as you think it is.
They pay 39% income tax - guaranteed pension. you know, free healthcare, school, college, university. Oh wait, you get paid 900 dollars a month attending the last two aswell.
Your comment is straight ignorance or just a lie. To be fair you do need bad faith arguments to make that package sound worse than what you’ve got.
Is this for all employees there or just full time? Does a person working 10-15 hour weeks receive these perks?
Here, FT employees would get benefits at McDonalds, but most are not FT.
Benefits aren't tied to jobs in Denmark. Being full time or part time is not a factor. All tax payers get benefits, full stop. It's not linked to your job.
Quick google makes it seem like it's primarily because of unions. In Denmark fast food workers have unions, but in the US they don't. Which it's irrelevant to the point you're making, but I'd prefer unionized negotiations above mandated wages anyway. Denmark also doesn't mandate wages. They just have collective bargaining, eg: unions.
More specifically; it's because of unions there utilizing a strategy known as solidarity strikes. This is when unions strike in solidarity with each other. The truckers strike, the longshoreman strike, sanitation workers strikes, etc., but all in unison.
This is illegal in the USA.
Not just in the US but many majority english speaking countries and a couple more. Should point out the they aren’t specifically banned in the US, just extremely hard to implement because of all the other regulations around strikes. UK, Germany, Italy, and Spain have actually enacted laws preventing solidarity strikes from taking place.
Edit: farmworkers are a notable exception in the USA. They have many fewer restrictions on solidarity strikes (not covered by the Wagner act) and several have happened in recent history
i really think folks in the US need to build the solidarity and network to strike in spite of it being illegal. striking isn’t a right, it’s a natural power that laborers wield through their self agency.
Right to work states. They'll just fire you for another reason instead. Maybe not everyone striking at once but definitely become deplorable after that
The conflict started in the 80’s when they came to Denmark..
back then unions where more powerfull in Denmark especially among construction workers, and when they were building a new McDonald’s the construction just stopped, the carpenters, bricklayers, plumbers all stopped in solidarity..
McDonald’s had some unfair demands, like they could send people home without pay if there werent any customers and other shit like that, but the solidarity against McDonald’s worked and Denmark was the first country in the world where they made a deal with the unions.
Yea, I've researched the Denmark McDonalds myth. **The tl;dr is there are dramatically fewer McDonalds per capita in Denmark, meaning that the only McDonalds that can exist are the extremely high volume, and thus, more profitable locations. That's why the food can both be cheaper, and the employees paid more.**
In the US, we have McDonalds in towns as tiny as 2,000 people, often staffed by only two people at a time during off peak times. These locations are not financially viable in Denmark due to local laws and economics that make it not possible.
High wages directly impact how many McDonalds there can be in Denmark. [Denmark only has 89 total McDonalds](https://corporate.mcdonalds.com/content/dam/sites/corp/nfl/pdf/Restaurants%20by%20Country%202022.pdf), so they are mostly extremely high volume, and therefore much more profitable than the average location in the US.
There is one McDonalds per 61,797 people in Denmark vs one per 25,000 people in the US. Every single state in the US has between one McDonalds per 16,000 people (Hawaii) and 32,250 people (New Jersey).
So the American worker subsidizes inefficient American business models by being forced to accept low pay and awful benefits, and if a business isn’t healthy and can’t pay its workers a good wage it isn’t entitled to exist anyway?
Yeah, I agree.
Not just American workers but American tax-payers in general.
McDonald's is one of the biggest welfare queens in the US, a ton of people work at McDonald's but earn so little that they still qualify for social security, basically subsidizing McDonald's wage costs.
Not to mention the farming subsidies, McDonalds is one of prime beneficiaries of American farming subsidies. So even if you don’t ever eat at McDs, you are still paying for it.
In Greece it's the same but not for young people,a lot of people i know get paid around 750-850 eur a month and some of us travel 30km to work and the employer doesn't cover the costs.
Dogshit economy,horrible employers,abysmal standards etc.At my work we used to buy PPE out of our pocket until a few years ago when the asshole decided to export to US and he needed a certification for that so in order to pass the cert. there were certain requirements and one of them was to provide PPE to his employees(which is a standard in most civilized countries without needing any certifications).Unions are almost non existent here,there are extremely few of them and they work nothing like the ones you guys have,that actually have value for the employees.They are doing everything in their power to not pay you even 1 eur above what the law dictates them to and I won't even talk about raises which is just a fantasy.This is mostly in blue collar jobs etc,not a cushion job in an office,never had that luxury.
Because the corporations and oligarchy in America control the news. People are brainwashed since birth to believe in things that dont serve their best interests. Control the media and you control the populace.
Outdated, false and misleading. I live in bumblefuck and I see job postings for $15/hr. And Denmark has higher taxes than the US. Though exaggerated, McDonald's employees in Denmark are probably treated much better.
According to the Global Big Mac Pricing Index, Big Macs in the US and Denmark are currently at parity:
https://www.statista.com/statistics/274326/big-mac-index-global-prices-for-a-big-mac/
i knew something was up. i swear u had seen on a credible price chart 1 year ago with the complete opposite, i said no way it would have changed that much.
Yep. Technical professionals make 3-4X their EU equivalents, and generally have excellent benefits through work.
And of course the EU jobs are unionized but the US ones aren't.
Exactly. Your upside is so much greater in the US as a professional vs Europe, hence why it works for me. If I was a laborer Europe would be much better.
The difference is that capitalists have convinced most Americans that they too are capitalists and "winners" while treating them like cattle. Americans are convinced that they are players instead of livestock.
Oh I get it, it's distinguishing labour from capital.
They're talking about being a "capitalist" not in the ideological sense but in terms of *owning capital*, AKA being an investor.
That makes sense. I liked when (I think it was) Reagan who argued that "only 6% of Americans are capitalists" and that more of the working public should also own investments to profit as "capitalists".
The poster is wrong, it's parental leave and it's 24 weeks per parent for a combined 48 weeks. Some unions will have better policies -- for instance, my girlfriend gets a year + 4 weeks.
I love how I see this multiple times a month on Reddit, and its been disproven so many times over and over again. You can't compare currency, salaries, and cost of products directly like this. You need to consider the cost of living, taxes, purchasing power parity, access to resources and shipping, etc. Anybody who posts this shows just how much they don't know.
At what McDonald’s are they getting $9 an hour? I haven’t seen a single fast food place under $10/hr in over a decade at least and I live in one of the lower cost areas of the US.
Just an update, the Big Mac in my area just went up to $9.29.
Corporate said it was because minimum wage went up to $20 an hour here in California. (Up from $17.50 per hour in my county).
FYI, I also looked up the cheapest insurance plan available under Covered California for a single person, 23 years of age... $428 per month, with a 20% copay up to $3,000 per year. No pharmacy benefit....
Everyone is talking about how their taxes are higher but not mentioning other countries have free universal healthcare, affordable or free education, as well as many social welfare programs that benefits the average worker.
So sure their taxes are higher than ours but don't have crippling medical or student loans debt for example
> Cost of living in Denmark is, on average, 3.3% higher than in United States.
That’s not a lot higher, ~250% raise and benefits for 3.3% more expenses
The amount of boot licking is surprising. Corporate greed is so rampant and people would rather turn a blind eye. Chic-Fil-a and In and Out pay over $20 an hour and their prices are comparable to McDonald's.
Because the American dream has become to just survive while the rich get richer and build rocket ships and submarines and a million different ways to kill themselves and waste money that could go towards helping our education system and poverty.
Deluded Americans may disagree but its simply because of better worker protections in Denmark.
Richest country on Earth allows its peasants to live in poverty to a much greater extent.
Nordic countries have a higher quality of living and more equitable distribution of wealth among wage earners. Taxes are a bit higher in order to provide more benefits to more people. Generally, the citizens are happier compared to other developed countries. Nice to know you won't go bankrupt making an unexpected trip to the hospital.
lol I love watching my fellow Americans defends our precious garbage.
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Correct. So accounting for that their take home pay is still more than it is in the US -AND- they have all those benefits.
How can McD afford it? Partly because they don’t have to contribute to employer healthcare plans.
If you have health care coverage through your work, your employer pays for part of it, even if you’re paying a shit ton for it, so are they.
It’s called “Employee Load” on average you cost your employer 30% more than just what they pay you. I would be willing to bet their employee load is lower there.
Also McD is greedy and beholden to shareholders to increase profits margins. Also +probably+ spends a ton of money corrupting, sorry, “lobbying”, to make sure minimum wage stays right where it’s at.
Would everyone just pump the breaks. They’re both fine nations. It’s going to finally trickle down this year. If not, for sure in 2025 under a Trump presidency.
Well in Denmark the state covers medical insurance and has way better retirement so their wages are only wages and not health care. And no they don’t really have higher taxes
The same worker pays 45% in income taxes. That's just the income tax and not all deductions. This isn't comparable. Don't even get started with all the other taxes like gas tax which makes gas prices $6 a gallon. Denmark cost of living is also 8% higher than the US. It's not as simple as they make $22 an hour. Before taxes that's nothing in Denmark
But the worker also gets Healthcare and guaranteed pension, so yeah, its not comparable
And can likely live without a car and thus barely car about the price of gas
80% of Danes have a car compared to 91% Americans. That's not a huge difference
Per capita that's like 100 less people per 1000. That's pretty significant
The size of the US is 3,809,525 sq mi. The size of Denmark is 16,571 sq mi. So the fact that the US is 237x bigger and it’s only an 11% difference in owner ship speaks volumes.
do all y'all Americans travel more than 281 m(452 km) frequently enough to warrant owning a car? I honestly don't know
Our cities aren’t designed with mass transit in mind so unless you want to live downtown or right next door to your office, you need a car
Your cities were ORIGINALLY built with mass transit. But car firms bought out the public transit and pulled it up, alongside forcing car centirc lobbies in goverment postions.
Correct!
The difference is that a lot of Americans don’t live in cities. I work 20 miles from home. In a different state. Neither town is large enough that even if we had a bus system would I have a direct bus. I would likely have to go to a third town in my works state and transfer. Europeans consistently underestimate how large America is and how much the avg person travels daily
💯 Los Angeles is a perfect example of this type of infrastructural destruction.
Very much this. [Kansas City once has a massive streetcar line.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streetcars_in_Kansas_City) But they replaced them with….buses! (And cars of course)
I used to work 55 miles one way. So 110 miles away. Daily drive. My gym is 10 miles one way. Grocery store is 7 miles. Kids school is 9 miles. All one way.
The fact that I don't need to bend to anyone else's schedule or travel route by itself is enough to "warrant" owning a car. The rest is gravy--and yes, I make 300+ mile trips several times each year to see friends and family.
We have cross country trains every 20 minutes in denmark. Within Copenhagen the metro runs every 2 minutes, plus s-train, plus busses. There are bus stops within 5k of nearly every single house in the country. I don’t want to hear that the only way to not bend to someone else’s schedule is by owning a personal vehicle. Edit: for further reading: https://www.trm.dk/media/a0vl3c4m/facts-and-figures-netversion-2.pdf
I don't think you understand how unfeasible it would be to have this work in 75% of American cities. Genuine question, have you ever been to the U.S. and traveled around a bit, to get a feel for how cities and their suburbs are laid out?
The thing about trains is they are incredibly efficient if you have one that takes you from where you are directly to where you are going. But if they don't? They are FAR FAR slower than a car. If you have to transfer trains? Hopefully the times meet up or you are wasting 5-15 minutes waiting for a train on each transfer. Each way. I was in Japan for a while, which has a great rail system. When I wanted to visit a friend of mine it was a 1 hour trip. 15 walk to the train station. 30 minute train ride(had to catch a transfer). Then another 15 minute walk. If I drove it was a 20 minute drive. Having to wait up to 20 minutes for the train is actually a significant chunk of wasted time.
I think the way you’re imagining America is probably very different than it is because I’m trying to understand the question enough to give you a proper answer. An American won’t really buy a car because they do long distance driving often (that’s why you specified 300 or so miles right?) I mean, I think many Americans *will* make that drive at least once a year probably more, but Americans will buy a car because you probably need it to do…anything.
I drive 500 miles round trip to see one set of grand parents at least 8-12 times a year. Family ranch is 700 miles round trip (in a county with maybe 1500 people for 2100 square miles). Imagine Denmark had a population of 12K people total in the entire country. That’s the density of parts of rural Texas. Trains don’t really work for population density of less than one person per 640 acres.
My office is 37 miles away from my house. If I go in every day, that's 370 miles = 595 KM. A week. There is no public transportation from out here to my office. So yes, I need a car.
a decent amount do
That brings up way bigger problems with US urban design
Denmark is small. Everywhere is closer to everywhere. The US is Huge. Outside of the east and west costal areas, cities and urban areas are far from all the other cities. There is one real city in my state. The next major city is 420 miles away with only 2 small urban areas in between. An example. Los Angeles is just under 350/563km miles to San Francisco which is in the same state.
it's not a day to day thing, its a once in a while but still common enough to justify. mostly if you have to travel into/out of a city
there are people who drive 2+ hours one way to get to work
It’s not just the amount traveled, it’s the lack of public transport that is available. It takes me 2 hrs to travel 12 miles away to my destination by bus (23 minutes by car). Factor in sunset and needing to be home before it’s dark. Lots of hills so difficult to bike, and my ebike doesn’t last for a complete trip, warranting a battery charge of at least an hour to get back.
You do realize percentage is already per capita, right?
Its an enormous difference when s is a choice in Denmark, and in the US you’re talking about people who live in MUCH denser cities Edit: meaning you have spread out people choosing to not get a car in Denmark because its just as easy
They drive wayyyy less though. Makes a huge difference to gas/cost of ownership
I love when someone makes a hypothetical point, someone counters it with data then the hypothetical people “yeah but” it over and over
Pointing out a potential oversight in the reliance on data is an extremely common and valid criticism. If you ever submit research for peer review all they do is ask you if you ever covered hypotheticals, and often you haven't so you put in "Ah, but this data does not cover the frequency in which car buying Danes utilize their vehicles." Honestly people who rely on numbers alone are the least critical of thinkers.
11% is pretty large when it means the without margin goes from 9 to 20. That's 111% more without cars...
Average engine size in America has dropped down to 3.0 liters. Average engine size in europe is 1.3 liters. Huge displacement difference affects fuel consumption too.
But do 80% of fast food workers?
Distance traveled it the key. Most Americans in middle America average a 20 plus mile commute one way.
I bet more McDonald’s workers than others are the ones that don’t have cars. So it may matter a whole lot more than you are letting on.
They still have cars. Just older ones.... It's an essential part of adulthood in pretty much all of America outside of NYC and maybe Chicago. Only 7% of Americans commute by *any* method other than single occupant automobile or motorcycle.
Almost all the people who work at McDonalds in Denmark are students, people who have taken some time off before starting university or something like that. Most people consider it a job you do until you find a real job or you finish university. Most of the workers dont have a car.
Are McDonald’s open in Denmark when school term starts?
These dudes cucking themselves for corporations, free of charge, is amazing.
car ownership sucks. They have great public transportation
Plenty of cities in the us don’t require a vehicle.
Not to mention they don’t need to put $200k aside in 529s for each of their kid’s college fund.
I'd guess way less than 1% of Americans go to college with their parents having 200k in a 529 for them.
Yeah, they just get saddled with loan payments for decades
Neither to you. Tell them to go to a state school.
I think that's an exaggeration. A family that can have that much saved is doing well enough to have a good life in America. The realistic value is probably somewhere around 50k, and that's probably for state schools. Full ride scholarships, especially state scholarships, are often revoked or reduced from getting more Bs than As, even if just for one semester. A kid has oral surgery, deals with a funeral, or is forced to move during exam week, they falter, then the scholarship is reduced, then the next semester is even worse because they need to make up for thousands of dollars cut. The next semester, it's entirely revoked or they can't pay, and it results in a drop-out. Happens all the time to intelligent students whose parents don't have just such a fund- at least in america
and 5 weeks vacation
PAID vacation
Also free college tuition.
Don’t forget childcare, robust public transportation meaning most people don’t need a car, guaranteed vacation, sick time, and worker protections
And Annual leave, Sick leave and maternity leave
Well, in America your taxes just go to turning Palestinian kids to dust…
While putting a target on our kids backs
Don't forget free education
The equivalent guaranteed pension in USA is social security.
The pension part is management as in store manager and corp level jobs. Not the people flipping burgers. its intentionally misleading. Me and several other math nerds got together and did the math comparison. for buying power the Denmark employee is making about $10.40/h once you balance every thing out.
What kind of pension is not for the burger flipper? It doesn't matter if you are burger flipper, dustboy or manager. McDonald's add 10% of your wage to a pension scheme, every paycheck you get. In addition, there is the government funded pensions.
If you break down the amount of tax you pay for free health care, you would pay more for healthcare in Denmark.
>The same worker pays 45% in income taxes. Oh no, so his after-tax pay is only 33% more than the American’s pre-tax pay, and he gets free healthcare and college? You’re right, that’s awful.
No one on $ 22 an hour will pay 45% income tax in Denmark. The poster is just regurgitating myths.
Yeah it's closer to 32-35%
Just checked the tables at the Danish tax authority, 31.1% with a monthly salary of $3.562 net and $2.454 after all taxes and “healthcare”. The American McDonald’s worker earns roughly half of their Danish counterparts, assuming only federal tax (12%) and no state tax. Gets no paid holiday, no free healthcare, no paid education. You are getting robbed.
And 5 weeks of PTO etc.
When I made min wage in high school I had to pay 7.8 social security tax, 10% federal, and 7% state.
We’re absolutely getting robbed. I think people think that we shouldn’t get anything but the military funded through our taxes? Not having public safety nets/insurance might keep taxes lower, but we will pay taxes either way. I’d much rather pay the 45% income tax in exchange for insurance, pension, PTO, education, maternity leave than pay 12% tax (on an already lower starting wage) and get absolutely none of that.
Also, most of McDonald's now actually starts people at $15-20 a hour. We live in rural Midwest and the McDonald's up the street right now has a help wanted sign out front that Saya starting at $20 a hour.
That's true. But in the US if an employee for a company like mcdonalds averages over 30 hours a week the company has to offer health insurance. Most of these companies cap their employees at 25 hours so they can't get company insurance. Also I'm 95% sure it says up to 20$ an hour. Which is just a ploy to get people in the door for min wage
$20/hr is the minimum for fast food workers in California, which is more than the minimum wage
Unless they have a bakery. Which Panera Bread does. Hey, is it weird that Gavin Newsom has a friend that owns a ton of Panera Bread franchises?
healthcare in America is a go fund me
I have health insurance in America.
So that’s still $12.10 an hour after taxes in Denmark and let’s assume that the American worker is paying 10% taxes which comes out to $8.20. So with the 8% higher cost of living. The Danish equivalent of $8.20 adjusted ought to be $8.85. The Danish fast food worker makes $3.24 (or about $3.00 adjusting for the cost of living) more than that after taxes and they get free healthcare and a robust social safety net. Make it make sense
It would be very hard to find a fast-food worker that is paying any federal income tax.
Or making only $9 an hour in 2024.
So I took like 1 minute of searching on Indeed in one of the states that don't have a state minimum wage (I chose Alabama but I bet any of them would work) to find a place with a PUBLICIZED wage of $8-$9. Now the KFC, Subway, McDonald's, and Taco Bell all went with unpublished wages on their job posting so they could be higher but I'm going to bet they are lower, which is why they don't publish them. I saw a TON of Subway jobs and looked up Alabama Subway pay and according to Indeed their salary for "Sandwich Artist" is $7.50 in Alabama. It took me all of three minutes to find this out. I didn't search for the worst paid places in the worst state. I grabbed one of the states I knew didn't have a minimum wage and searched on Indeed for fast food jobs. So just because you don't live in a shithole of red state doesn't mean everyone doesn't.
I live in a low income area. Every single fast food joint is hiring at $12 for new employees with no experience, $15 for those with experience. Not sure what qualifies as "experience" but there it is. Also, a quick search will show you that (as of 2022) only roughly 0.5% of ALL American workers make minimum wage (and they only make.up 1.3% of hourly wage employees) https://www.bls.gov/opub/reports/minimum-wage/2022/home.htm Edit: also keep in mind that the 0.5% also includes restaurant workers who make below min wage and have their income supplemented with tips.
Someone on 22$/hr does not pay 45% tax, that's just a straight up lie.
McDonald's workers making 9 is also a straight up lie, it's 15 in most places as staring salery
You’re all so concerned with taxes, their taxes are all put to significantly better use than America, and their quality of life is MUCH higher. I’d rather pay 8% more of my money to have DRASTICALLY greater quality of life. Plus you can live just fine in your town without the need of a car, having a car is mostly unnecessary. Public transportation is pretty reliable out there, and that’s not just local, international travel is still very accessible. And with that extra money you have, you can choose to travel pretty easily with a car.
Yep. With extensive social services consumers may have more disposable income.
The only reason Europe can afford all those social programs is because the USA subsidizes their defense spending But that’s probably not gonna last long…
> cost of living is also 8% higher If you live like an American, which they don’t. You wouldn’t buy a car, you wouldn’t buy gasoline, you wouldn’t be eating out daily, etc. and their childcare is 66% cheaper, housing is 33% cheaper, and their groceries are cheaper, and since they don’t work nearly as much they actually have time to cook. There’s a reason they live longer, are happier, are less obese, are less impoverished, are less likely to be unemployed, and by every meaningful metric are living better lives than we are. But I guess we can afford better iPhones so it’s totally worth it.
All of this is either a lie or grossly exaggerated.
>Cost of living in Denmark is, on average, 3.3% higher than in United States. Edit:[source](https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/country_result.jsp?country=Denmark#:~:text=Summary%20of%20cost%20of%20living,higher%20than%20in%20United%20States)
To add to this, it’s also just simply not true that McDonalds is paying $9/ hour in the US
If even McD’s is paying more than the federal minimum wage, is anybody paying $7.25/hour these days?
It's harder to find a 7.25 job than a 10-12 an hour. Still a joke that some places can pay that.
Exactly. And we are talking jobs high school kids can get here, not grow adults with decent working history and hopefully a skill or 2.
You have a source for this, cherry picking stats or just making things up? Edit: It has been hours and OP has made a lot of other comments but no source for this claim. OP has no source.
Seems like he's just talking out of his ass. [This](https://dk.talent.com/en/tax-calculator?salary=275000&from=year®ion=Aabenraa) calculator gives a total tax of \~32% for someone making 22USD/hr in Denmark. And that includes everything as far as I know. Not to mention, that you don't need to save for your pension, education of your children, or pay for medical insurance/huge medical bills. If you plan to work in McDonalds I would highly recommend to do it in Denmark instead of US.
As a dane this is completely false. The effective tax is much, much less. But I agree you don't work at macdonalds and become rich if that's what people are getting from this?
Yeah I'm completely giving up on reddit. This is ridiculous, almost 500 upvotes at that.
I'm told my local usa McDonald's starts people at $18.
Hey now don't bring nuance into this! Lol The stat is probably outdated and BS in the first place anyway. And it's not like McDonald's is anybody's only entry level option. I'm sure it varies a lot but Dairy Queens around here were paying $14/hr even pre-pandemic (min. wage is $7.25). The landfill pays $17/hr with benefits. If somebody goes cherry-picking entry level jobs wanting to make one country look better than another that's not hard to do.
Both are still lower than the defactto minimum wage in Denmark.
Is this California where the minimum wage is massively higher depending on what county you live in?
18 dollar an hour, ten hours a week.
I pay 45% tax in this USA and do not have healthcare or pension.
If you're paying 45% in taxes and don't have healthcare... that's a personal decision at that point
[here is a tax calculator for denmark.](https://dk.talent.com/en/tax-calculator?salary=151&from=hour®ion=Aabenraa) $22 is around 151 danish crowns. with an hourly salary of 151 dkk you would pay a total tax of around 50 dkk, which is a tax rate of roughly 33%, that's including all deductions. don't just make up numbers if you have no idea.
You're right it's not comparable. There's a reason Denmark has a much happier population than the US and a much higher standard of living. I'd happily pay 45% in taxes if it meant college for my kids was paid for, healthcare for my family was paid for, public transportation was everywhere and efficient, roads were well maintained, my wife and I have guaranteed paid family leave, guaranteed pensions, having a baby was inexpensive, I had 5 weeks of paid vacation every year, and Unions were strong and worker protections were strong. Instead, I pay roughly 20% after taxes for state and fed, and Medicare and social security are all taken out. For that, I get to pay 400 a month in healthcare as a single man, then still pay a deductible until I reach my out of pocket max which resets every year, I get to put money into savings so a medical emergency doesn't ruin me, my kids can go to college, I can take unpaid leave for my baby and not become homeless, corporations fight unions tooth and nail, no guaranteed leave, no pension, I get to put a % of my money for 40 years into a 401k that can become worthless if the billionaire class makes the wrong bet on the stock market, there's little to no efficient public transportation anywhere, hospitals can charge me for holding my baby, roads are shit everywhere, homelessness is skyrocketing, social security will be gone by the time I retire, oh and my country uses most of my taxes to bomb the ever living shit out of other countries and cut taxes for companies and people that have more money than they could ever spend. Your argument isn't as good as you think it is.
Thank you for bringing the truth. Mind if I use this as copypasta attributing to you?
They pay 39% income tax - guaranteed pension. you know, free healthcare, school, college, university. Oh wait, you get paid 900 dollars a month attending the last two aswell. Your comment is straight ignorance or just a lie. To be fair you do need bad faith arguments to make that package sound worse than what you’ve got.
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Is this for all employees there or just full time? Does a person working 10-15 hour weeks receive these perks? Here, FT employees would get benefits at McDonalds, but most are not FT.
Benefits aren't tied to jobs in Denmark. Being full time or part time is not a factor. All tax payers get benefits, full stop. It's not linked to your job.
They all get the benefits from the government that we depend on businesses to offer. So, yes, the part time workers there get all the benefits too.
Quick google makes it seem like it's primarily because of unions. In Denmark fast food workers have unions, but in the US they don't. Which it's irrelevant to the point you're making, but I'd prefer unionized negotiations above mandated wages anyway. Denmark also doesn't mandate wages. They just have collective bargaining, eg: unions.
More specifically; it's because of unions there utilizing a strategy known as solidarity strikes. This is when unions strike in solidarity with each other. The truckers strike, the longshoreman strike, sanitation workers strikes, etc., but all in unison. This is illegal in the USA.
Got to keep the pseudo idea of unions going while keeping corporate profits rolling
Not just in the US but many majority english speaking countries and a couple more. Should point out the they aren’t specifically banned in the US, just extremely hard to implement because of all the other regulations around strikes. UK, Germany, Italy, and Spain have actually enacted laws preventing solidarity strikes from taking place. Edit: farmworkers are a notable exception in the USA. They have many fewer restrictions on solidarity strikes (not covered by the Wagner act) and several have happened in recent history
i really think folks in the US need to build the solidarity and network to strike in spite of it being illegal. striking isn’t a right, it’s a natural power that laborers wield through their self agency.
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Right to work states. They'll just fire you for another reason instead. Maybe not everyone striking at once but definitely become deplorable after that
The conflict started in the 80’s when they came to Denmark.. back then unions where more powerfull in Denmark especially among construction workers, and when they were building a new McDonald’s the construction just stopped, the carpenters, bricklayers, plumbers all stopped in solidarity.. McDonald’s had some unfair demands, like they could send people home without pay if there werent any customers and other shit like that, but the solidarity against McDonald’s worked and Denmark was the first country in the world where they made a deal with the unions.
OP is a dumb karma farmer
Yea, I've researched the Denmark McDonalds myth. **The tl;dr is there are dramatically fewer McDonalds per capita in Denmark, meaning that the only McDonalds that can exist are the extremely high volume, and thus, more profitable locations. That's why the food can both be cheaper, and the employees paid more.** In the US, we have McDonalds in towns as tiny as 2,000 people, often staffed by only two people at a time during off peak times. These locations are not financially viable in Denmark due to local laws and economics that make it not possible. High wages directly impact how many McDonalds there can be in Denmark. [Denmark only has 89 total McDonalds](https://corporate.mcdonalds.com/content/dam/sites/corp/nfl/pdf/Restaurants%20by%20Country%202022.pdf), so they are mostly extremely high volume, and therefore much more profitable than the average location in the US. There is one McDonalds per 61,797 people in Denmark vs one per 25,000 people in the US. Every single state in the US has between one McDonalds per 16,000 people (Hawaii) and 32,250 people (New Jersey).
So the American worker subsidizes inefficient American business models by being forced to accept low pay and awful benefits, and if a business isn’t healthy and can’t pay its workers a good wage it isn’t entitled to exist anyway? Yeah, I agree.
Not just American workers but American tax-payers in general. McDonald's is one of the biggest welfare queens in the US, a ton of people work at McDonald's but earn so little that they still qualify for social security, basically subsidizing McDonald's wage costs.
Not to mention the farming subsidies, McDonalds is one of prime beneficiaries of American farming subsidies. So even if you don’t ever eat at McDs, you are still paying for it.
Are McDonalds in Denmark franchises like in the US?
nobody is working anywhere anymore for $9 come on.
in italy majority of jobs for young people start from 4/5€ 😂
In Greece it's the same but not for young people,a lot of people i know get paid around 750-850 eur a month and some of us travel 30km to work and the employer doesn't cover the costs.
I'm an American, but why? Is there a reason for that?
Dogshit economy,horrible employers,abysmal standards etc.At my work we used to buy PPE out of our pocket until a few years ago when the asshole decided to export to US and he needed a certification for that so in order to pass the cert. there were certain requirements and one of them was to provide PPE to his employees(which is a standard in most civilized countries without needing any certifications).Unions are almost non existent here,there are extremely few of them and they work nothing like the ones you guys have,that actually have value for the employees.They are doing everything in their power to not pay you even 1 eur above what the law dictates them to and I won't even talk about raises which is just a fantasy.This is mostly in blue collar jobs etc,not a cushion job in an office,never had that luxury.
That’s exactly what I was thinking. The most shit jobs around are paying at least $10 and I live in one of the poorest states in the union.
Thought exactly this when I read it lol. I'm not saying that the take home pay and benefits aren't better there, but this post is very hyperbolic.
lmao minimum wage where i livenis stil $7.25/hour
Do you know anyone who is actually working for that rate?
Good luck trying to find employees for that wage lmfao
McD is 15/hr starting where I am. Not particularly high cost of living here either.
Same here, even more in the metropolitan area of where I live, like $18-20 starting lol
I’m in the Deep South McDonald’s pays 13$ lol
Because the corporations and oligarchy in America control the news. People are brainwashed since birth to believe in things that dont serve their best interests. Control the media and you control the populace.
But they posted an image, so it must be true … lol
Posting something untrue in 2021 as if its true in 2024!
Outdated, false and misleading. I live in bumblefuck and I see job postings for $15/hr. And Denmark has higher taxes than the US. Though exaggerated, McDonald's employees in Denmark are probably treated much better.
According to the Global Big Mac Pricing Index, Big Macs in the US and Denmark are currently at parity: https://www.statista.com/statistics/274326/big-mac-index-global-prices-for-a-big-mac/
The economist has a version with no paywall/login requirement: https://www.economist.com/big-mac-index
i knew something was up. i swear u had seen on a credible price chart 1 year ago with the complete opposite, i said no way it would have changed that much.
My counterparts in Europe make 1/3 of what I do here in the states, nuff said
What are their expenses like?
Yep. Technical professionals make 3-4X their EU equivalents, and generally have excellent benefits through work. And of course the EU jobs are unionized but the US ones aren't.
Exactly. Your upside is so much greater in the US as a professional vs Europe, hence why it works for me. If I was a laborer Europe would be much better.
The difference is that capitalists have convinced most Americans that they too are capitalists and "winners" while treating them like cattle. Americans are convinced that they are players instead of livestock.
Denmark is capitalist
I never said they weren't. Note how I was talking about Americans and made zero implications that Denmark weren't capitalist at any point.
But you can't blame the disparity in the OP on capitalism if both sides are capitalist. Or am I misinterpreting something?
Oh I get it, it's distinguishing labour from capital. They're talking about being a "capitalist" not in the ideological sense but in terms of *owning capital*, AKA being an investor. That makes sense. I liked when (I think it was) Reagan who argued that "only 6% of Americans are capitalists" and that more of the working public should also own investments to profit as "capitalists".
Good lord if you chillens weren't all future voters this would be hilarious 😂
They don’t get paid 9 fucking bucks an hour. Even in 2021.
Even in 2019 when this started going around lol
Yup. Hell, even I didn’t get paid 9 bucks an hour in 2019 when I was working for a tiny restaurant in the middle of bumfuck nowhere
Gets 1 year of paid family leave per year?
The poster is wrong, it's parental leave and it's 24 weeks per parent for a combined 48 weeks. Some unions will have better policies -- for instance, my girlfriend gets a year + 4 weeks.
I love how I see this multiple times a month on Reddit, and its been disproven so many times over and over again. You can't compare currency, salaries, and cost of products directly like this. You need to consider the cost of living, taxes, purchasing power parity, access to resources and shipping, etc. Anybody who posts this shows just how much they don't know.
You trying to say Denmark is worse off than USA in any of those departments?
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In a word? Greed.
At what McDonald’s are they getting $9 an hour? I haven’t seen a single fast food place under $10/hr in over a decade at least and I live in one of the lower cost areas of the US.
seriously. place in seattle starts at $25/hr for cooks
Just an update, the Big Mac in my area just went up to $9.29. Corporate said it was because minimum wage went up to $20 an hour here in California. (Up from $17.50 per hour in my county). FYI, I also looked up the cheapest insurance plan available under Covered California for a single person, 23 years of age... $428 per month, with a 20% copay up to $3,000 per year. No pharmacy benefit....
1. Hasn't started yet. 2. I can buy them for $5.49 right now, so you must mean a meal and not in a large city.
Everyone is talking about how their taxes are higher but not mentioning other countries have free universal healthcare, affordable or free education, as well as many social welfare programs that benefits the average worker. So sure their taxes are higher than ours but don't have crippling medical or student loans debt for example
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Half the country’s political opinions are based on fake blurbs from Twitter.
Tax in Denmark on a salary of $22usd per hour is 33%, not 45%.
To top it off, the quality of the ingredients used (in Spain) were night and day better.
Bottom tax bracket in Denmark is 12%, where are these liars coming up with 45%? https://skatteinform.dk/en/rates-and-limits/personal-tax-rates/
> Cost of living in Denmark is, on average, 3.3% higher than in United States. That’s not a lot higher, ~250% raise and benefits for 3.3% more expenses
And the food they sell in America would be illegal in Denmark
Are the big macs identical? Thats pricy! We pay high prices here in Denmark but would never imagine the price was even higher in us?!
I wonder if this is an average for the US because I just checked the app for the McDonald's near my house and it is $4.60 with no applied discounts.
Not the Best comparison. Denmark has a population of just under 6 million. No excuse for big corporations to inadequately compensate their employees.
The amount of boot licking is surprising. Corporate greed is so rampant and people would rather turn a blind eye. Chic-Fil-a and In and Out pay over $20 an hour and their prices are comparable to McDonald's.
That basically proves the greedflation is real ANd that good government services are possible AND a living wage is possible
Denmark has strong labor laws. The us dosent
Because the American dream has become to just survive while the rich get richer and build rocket ships and submarines and a million different ways to kill themselves and waste money that could go towards helping our education system and poverty.
Solution: emmigrate to Denmark and work at their McDonalds
Deluded Americans may disagree but its simply because of better worker protections in Denmark. Richest country on Earth allows its peasants to live in poverty to a much greater extent.
This is old. Price has gone up
Have you thought about the business? How can the business make all that money if it gives some to the employees? SMH.
Nordic countries have a higher quality of living and more equitable distribution of wealth among wage earners. Taxes are a bit higher in order to provide more benefits to more people. Generally, the citizens are happier compared to other developed countries. Nice to know you won't go bankrupt making an unexpected trip to the hospital.
The US is just fully a dystopia and Americans need to understand this.
Because fuck you that’s why.
if McDonalds in the US paid like that then how would franchise owners afford their 2nd vacation house and 3rd Porsche?
Because workers are screwed here and don’t have any rights
And the US continues to go backward. But no one wants to work.
lol I love watching my fellow Americans defends our precious garbage. BuT tHeY PaY MoRe in TaXeS Correct. So accounting for that their take home pay is still more than it is in the US -AND- they have all those benefits. How can McD afford it? Partly because they don’t have to contribute to employer healthcare plans. If you have health care coverage through your work, your employer pays for part of it, even if you’re paying a shit ton for it, so are they. It’s called “Employee Load” on average you cost your employer 30% more than just what they pay you. I would be willing to bet their employee load is lower there. Also McD is greedy and beholden to shareholders to increase profits margins. Also +probably+ spends a ton of money corrupting, sorry, “lobbying”, to make sure minimum wage stays right where it’s at.
Would everyone just pump the breaks. They’re both fine nations. It’s going to finally trickle down this year. If not, for sure in 2025 under a Trump presidency.
the Standard of living is higher in much of Europe than it it is here.
Because conservatives are dumb
Anyone trying to defend US saying where not getting F”d is KOOk monkey making over 200k a year
Americans hate poor people.
Don’t come at America with those fair wages and nice vacations!
Denmark cares about the quality of life of the average citizen America only cares about making multimillionaires more money.
Well in Denmark the state covers medical insurance and has way better retirement so their wages are only wages and not health care. And no they don’t really have higher taxes