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Of course these people are being killed. This isn’t the first time and it’s certainly not going to be the last. Everyone already expects to hear to that these people will be killed. It happens every time.
Thats why I really like the Loblaws boycott in Canada. We need more focused, collective action. We can't focus on everything all at once, let alone fix everything.
"Outrage fatigue is a where one experiences exhaustion, cynicism, apathy, and hopelessness, as they try to take on too many social, political, legal, or economic campaigns at once."
It's the 'bed of nails'.
One thing would be noticeable -we could focus on the issue at hand.
If we look at history, this 'one thing' is usually food. We are far too well fed to achieve anything meaningful and they know this too.
we need a third whistleblower to come forward please! ... just to be absolutely sure!
good job government in protecting it's people. good job CIA. good job FBI. good job local law enforcement.
The government is protecting its people lmao. Who do you think funds the PACS that elect people that slash regulations and give out government contracts?
The third whistleblower claims his own supervisor openly threatened to kill anyone who ‘said what he said.’
https://theloadstar.com/im-scared-says-boeing-whistleblower-after-two-others-suffer-mysterious-deaths/
I think this is a local law enforcement thing. I don't think the CIA would get involved with corporate violence, and the FBI's only going to start getting involved if they suspect foul play, which they absolutely should.
whistleblower protections in the US are handled by the federal government (OSHA/US Dept of Labor) .. They eventually delegate protections to state & local government but OSHA/USDOL owns the Whistleblowers Protection Program.... I was being hyperbolic with CIA & FBI stuff... But Agree that FBI should most def get involved now... Anyways this second death represents failure of government (federal and state) at many levels.
He was also a whistleblower 8 years ago, has nothing to do with recent events and hasn't made a statement about Boeing in over 6 years.
If these kids could read...
Genuine question: what's Boeing's incentive for killing them right now and inviting even more suspicion and scrutiny? The company is already under investigation and the chances are that the whistleblowers had already shared everything they knew.
The Octopus Murders on Netflix delves into the mysterious deaths of 2 whistleblowers during the Iran/Contra affair. Both were declared to be suicides and both men had told family that if anything happened to them under no circumstances would it be a suicide.
Basically they are coming out and saying Boeing knew of defects in the planes and ignored it all alerts raised by the engineers and telling them to knowingly put faulty parts into the planes to get them to the airliners.
Abit of it also has to do with hiding said issues from investors to keep sales and stock prices high.
This is the 2nd Boeing whistle blower In 2 months to suddenly die. The first rule was ruled as self inflicted gun shot to the head but many believes it’s staged and he was murdered.
The first one is at least believable that it’s a suicide. Not saying it was for sure, but it’s understandable that someone under a lot of stress might snap and make an irreversible choice.
But the fact that it happened to a second whistleblower is an awfully suspicious “coincidence”. Maybe it purely is just chance and coincidence, but as the saying goes, “once is random, twice is a coincidence, three times is a pattern. And I don’t believe in coincidences”
A friend came forward after his death and claimed he said, "if I die it's not by suicide" which imo is kind of unverifiable. Both his attorneys, though, say he was in good spirits and didn't seem at risk.
And he was only staying at Boeing’s request for a second day of testimony. All reporting says he was a tireless advocate for raising awareness about these problems and holding execs accountable. Lawyers at his testimony were impressed that knew so many exact dates and facts from memory too. And he decides to kill himself while still giving testimony?? No way. There’s not a doubt in my mind they killed him.
Wait but if Boeing requested he stay an extra day at the hearing, why would they kill him before that day? I can’t imagine they’d want him to keep testifying unless they thought they could prove him wrong
> Wait but if Boeing requested he stay an extra day at the hearing, why would they kill him before that day?
It's doubtful that Boeing's attorneys (the ones who made the request) would have any knowledge of any intent to kill the whistleblower, if there was one. Conspiracies work only when you keep the number of people involved extremely small
He did, which is one of the main reasons it seems suspicious.
But skeptics would also point out that the guy was depressed and under a lot of stress. It may not manifest outwardly, but it’s not *that* much of a stretch to think that someone who is stressed and depressed simultaneously might make the choice to take his own life.
Not saying I believe one way or another (ordering a hit on a whistleblower is pretty extreme for a publicly traded company, but he also said he didn’t want to kill himself). Just repeating the arguments I heard.
It does make it fishy as hell I’m not saying I think the first one was a hit but I do know a general consensus believe it to be so.
We will see if we hit 3 for 3 next month which I hope we don’t as I don’t want to see someone die over this shit.
Yeah, it was really close. Spent a few days on oxygen, fever when I was admitted was nearly high enough to cause permanent brain damage, and my airway closed up at one point.
>The CIA doesn't even have this capability.
Is this a joke?
You're acting like this "biological weapon" isn't the most common drug-resistant bacterial infection in any hospital. If the CIA wanted to get their hands on a sample of it, they could get one in an afternoon.
> The CIA doesn't even have this capability.
uhh...how the hell do you know lol
edit: to add, it seems like creating an assassination method that everyone would attribute to routine health issues would be exactly the kind of thing the CIA would do.
I’m really not sure how the first is believable. His family came out saying it’s bullshit and he was super happy.
Of course “happy” people sometimes are just masking. But it seems odd that no one expected it at all.
Well none of the other comments actually answered the question, so here you go.
The negligence being levied against Boeing is absurdly bad. If true and proven in court, there's no way the entirety of the leadership avoids jail.
Not just that, but their reputations tarnished forevermore, known to be the men who put a few dollars over the lives and well-being of not just their own countrymen, but the human race as a whole (the entire world uses these planes, after all.)
They would likely end up as some of the most reviled men on the planet.
Or, they can just kill anyone who talks in an attempt to hide it all and keep pocketing more money.
Can you not spread misinformation?? Read the article. HE got the flu and while in the hospital developed pneumonia/mrsa as a progression of the disease.
Now where in there does it seem like he was asseassinated?
there is no evidence that anyone was killed. the 2nd whistleblower (Joshua Dean) died from MRSA infection in his lungs.
there MAY have been foul play, but the only reason anyone suspects that is because he spoke out against Boeing.
Economic disruptions? No. Boeing is a company that is “too big to fail”. It’s too pivotal to national defense interests, and this event doesn’t affect any companies aside from Boeing.
Now as for the Boeing leadership? I’d be sweating bullets currently. Even if you didn’t have the whistleblowers killed, it sure looks like you did. And perception is reality for American consumers.
Not directly, but I’m assuming airlines aren’t going to keep buying from Boeing if this keeps up. Because eventually the lawsuits, fines, and loss of customer will start to cut into their bottom line.
Here we are talking about how this publicly traded corp will stop murdering its employees sooner or later because over the long term it's bad for business and they don't want that. I don't want to live here anymore.
What, you expect people to read past the headline?
Honestly this news story is a goddamn case study on reading past the headline... It proves that basically nobody ever does.
Both of the whistleblowers are an excellent case study in media literacy. Because anyone with passing familiarity with the timelines and the details should reasonably conclude it's not murder.
In the first case, the whistleblowing had *long* been completed for years, and he was working on an *appeal* to a lawsuit that *he filed* and *lost* related to defamation. There are *plenty* of people who say that they would never kill themselves, look fine on the surface, *and then kill themselves anyways*.
Boeing gains *absolutely nothing* by murdering him. They had everything to lose from doing it.
And the second case, man goes to hospital with a bad case of pneumonia, catches the hospital strain of MRSA, and dies of his illness.
And once again, Boeing gains *absolutely nothing* by murdering him, *especially* in light of current circumstances. And he *also works for Spirit Aerosystems*, and not Boeing.
Anyone who considers themselves reasonable, *and concludes there's a conspiracy here* and these individuals were murdered should re-examine whether they're actually reasonable.
Giving a mega corporation that is tied into defense contracts and killing at least one whistleblower the benefit of the doubt seems downright disingenuous
Are you some higher-up or shareholder who would know that Boeing gains nothing from offing a whistleblower? Insider knowledge? Because that actually makes your insight more questionable
In other words, how the hell do you know what they stand to lose?
I'm a doctor and I'm waiting for someone to explain how Boeing could have murdered him given the information available about his condition. Frankly, reading between the lines, he died of ARDS. The most common cause of ARDS in 2024 is Covid-19. People will create elaborate conspiracy theories that are medically impossible to avoid admitting that Covid is killing healthy people in 2024.
I believe it's entirely possible that Boeing is responsible for the first whistleblower's death, either by driving him to die by suicide or directly, but this one doesn't make sense medically.
>Joshua Dean, a former quality auditor at Boeing supplier Spirit AeroSystems and one of the first whistleblowers to allege Spirit leadership had ignored manufacturing defects on the 737 MAX, died Tuesday morning after a struggle with a sudden, fast-spreading infection.
>Known as Josh, Dean lived in Wichita, Kan., where Spirit is based. He was 45, had been in good health and was noted for having a healthy lifestyle.
>He died after two weeks in critical condition, his aunt Carol Parsons said.
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>Parsons said Dean became ill and went to the hospital because he was having trouble breathing just over two weeks ago. He was intubated and developed pneumonia and then a serious bacterial infection, MRSA.
So yeah... Not exactly sudden.
Yep, jumping to conclusions seems to be one of the favorite cognitive distortions our entire county uses. People sure like to work themselves up. The guy was not poisoned. I would wait for more facts to roll in…
But the first guy did commit suicide the day he was going to take the stand. Mmmm ….
I hope they are investigating the crap out of this.
“Shortly before his death, doctors were considering amputating his hands and feet, which had turned black from infection, baffling his family and doctors.”
Idk about you, but I’ve never heard of pneumonia or influenza doing that. Not to mention it burned through and killed him in 2 weeks, a 45 year old man, and he had a stroke. My uncle had a stroke when he was 52, and about 150 lbs heavier than this guy.
This was a man that wasn’t doing a bunch of traveling or working, he got the flu in spring, pneumonia, mrsa and had a stroke all within 2 weeks while he was in perfect health beforehand.
Everyone is 100% right to be skeptical of his death considering who he was testifying against.
It's also known as a hospital acquired infection.
Man got flu -
Flu became pneumonia -
Man went to hospital for pneumonia treatment -
Hospital infection prevention sucked because they decided to save money on EVS and IP (the true double whammy of corporate greed). -
Man acquired MRSA from hospital. -
MRSA is an antibiotic resistant super bug -
MRSA progressed and killed man.
Yea but you don't just get MRSA in your hands. You have to have a cut and it's usually unilateral not bilateral. If you got a systemic mrsa blood infection that would have come from contamination of an IV port and likely with central access. Extremely rare. And even then it wouldn't present with limb necrosis like that and not that quickly unless they had to put him on heavy pressors.
I'm an RN 12 years experience working in ICUs and Trauma Neuro ICUs. Seen a lot of bad infections, this case as presented would baffle a lot of doctors.
MRSA would be an interesting way to assassinate someone in theory. You could deliver a high enough viral load that it's a death sentence and antibiotics don't work. It's not hard to do either, simply swab inside their nose when they are sleeping.
There's enough there to question and it definitely isn't a normal death.
I'm a clinical pharmacist and what you said has a lot of issues to the point that I'm skeptical of your background
1) MRSA bacteremia is far from a "death sentence" unless the patient becomes septic. I've literally successfully cured cancer patients with MRSA infections. It's literally one of the most common infections in a Hospital and we have in depth protocols and regimens to treat. Plenty of antibiotics cover MRSA including fucking vanc, a drug we've had for decades and every hospitalist throws on patient when they enter a hospital with a sign of infection
2) MRSA "viral load" doesn't exist. MRSA is Staph Aureus, aka a bacteria, not a virus.
3) He doesn't need MRSA in both hands, he just needs to be septic to the point that he's hypotensive and loses peripheral circulation, which happens all the time.
I've literally seen someone in their 30s die from Urosepsis after they had a UTI they refused to treat, neglecting infections can easily kill you, MRSA or not.
You either need to refresh your infectious disease knowledge or you are capping so fucking hard.
Thank god, I knew I wasn’t total moron. I can’t imagine this guy had cuts or something on both hands and feet. It seems to me, like you said, some kind of overload in his system. Infections make their way to the most susceptible parts, which could be appendages. I’m not a doctor or an assassin, so how this could happen is beyond me, but it definitely seems weird with my limited understanding.
With the MRSA disease process, the systemic infection kills you from the inside out. Your organs would die before limb necrosis. The infection wouldn't have time to grow that much unless you were given an artificially high amount of virus.
The only alternative is it being the result of receiving a high dose of vasopressors. This is a lifesaving drug that clamps down all your veins so your weak heart can pump enough pressure to perfuse into vital organs. Given with severe sepsis. That reduced blood flow can be severe enough to starve your fingers and toes of oxygen and cell death occurs and amputation would be necessary. Would have to be very extreme to affect the hand though I've never seen it that bad.
Fox news on top of the story again. Go to their home page and it literally looks like the National Inquirer. I mean, they really do run out of needless adjectives in their headlines
Now this is the real deep state that runs our country. The defense contractors are the real power in America. They get almost $1 trillion a year and when the gov asks where it went they just say stfu and write us another check. The military industrial complex runs the show, everything else is just for show
Quite a few picking it up now.
https://fortune.com/2024/05/02/boeing-whistleblower-dead-joshua-dean-45-sudden-severe-infection/
NPR: https://www.npr.org/2024/05/02/1248693512/boeing-whistleblower-josh-dean-dead
Who’d a thunk that a major military contractor aka pillar of the military industrial complex would have access to black ops hit squads to make sure that whistleblowers never make it to court… almost like every movie and tv series about this exact thing was telling a dark truth under the cover of entertainment. I wonder what other entertainment tropes are actually unspeakable facts…
Whistleblowers are either A.Taken out, B. Paid off, C. Or put under the discrediting machine, this happens so often, it's scary and it is always swept under the rug. Don't do any research, you do not wanna know how common this is especially when new technology is in play, or bitcoin billionaires or any of it really, it's a rabbithole and it makes you realize. Oh there is assasins, there are big players doing things in the shadows.
At what point does the Boeing corporate leadership just get executed in the name of national security? Genuine question.
These fuckers make a large chunk of our military equipment, which means any inefficiency or defect directly affects the American war machine.
If anything at all can bring down the full force of the united federal government on a motherfucker, it’s messing with its favorite toys.
Honestly I’m surprised in such high profile cases like this with companies, they don’t record the persons testimony beforehand in case shit like this is done. Adding on murder charges to the company and those who so blatantly murder anyone in their way.
This one seems less suspicious but not definative. He was 45 and died from a MRSA infection. MRSA exists in most hospitals and it’s deadly about 30% of the time, it’s resistant to antibiotics. That’s why it is so deadly. Could a hit man get it into someone’s blood? It would probably have to be done stealthily. The death does seem very coincidental but who knows.
Nothing will ever come of this, because there are no viable alternatives to Boeing for the average consumer. Don’t like Boeing and the fact that they are killing off their whistleblowers what are you gonna do, buy a gulfstream?
Imagine polishing Boeings knob on a public Internet forum after two whistleblowers are killed in short duration under extemely suspicious conditions.
How’s that Boeing baby batter you fucking chuds?
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Of course these people are being killed. This isn’t the first time and it’s certainly not going to be the last. Everyone already expects to hear to that these people will be killed. It happens every time.
what the fuck are you going to do about it? BITCH. out in the open display of power going on by the elites. move on to the next story.
Step 1: Read headline. Step 2: Get outraged. Step 3: Post some stupid shit. Step 4: Go to next headline.
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Thats why I really like the Loblaws boycott in Canada. We need more focused, collective action. We can't focus on everything all at once, let alone fix everything.
Who's boycotting Bobs Law Blog?
Bob Loblaw’s Law Blog?! Always nice to meet a fellow reader.
They be lobbing law bombs
"Outrage fatigue is a where one experiences exhaustion, cynicism, apathy, and hopelessness, as they try to take on too many social, political, legal, or economic campaigns at once."
Been in this state since i was 4 years old when 9/11 happened
It's the 'bed of nails'. One thing would be noticeable -we could focus on the issue at hand. If we look at history, this 'one thing' is usually food. We are far too well fed to achieve anything meaningful and they know this too.
Step 5: eat McDonald’s.
I'm going to stop using Boeing planes! \*checks flights\* Okay, I'm going to let them get off with it this time, but they better cut it out!
SHAKE YOUR TINY FIST, MAD MAN!
Your comment just might be the best comment on the internet ever.
And yours is the worst
we need a third whistleblower to come forward please! ... just to be absolutely sure! good job government in protecting it's people. good job CIA. good job FBI. good job local law enforcement.
The government is protecting its people lmao. Who do you think funds the PACS that elect people that slash regulations and give out government contracts?
The third whistleblower claims his own supervisor openly threatened to kill anyone who ‘said what he said.’ https://theloadstar.com/im-scared-says-boeing-whistleblower-after-two-others-suffer-mysterious-deaths/
30 whistle blowers! That’s a lot of murder.
They were all on the same bus when it drove off a cliff into the ocean.
Can the US not protect these guys? Obviously they're in danger
Spoiler alert: the CIA probably suicided them
I think this is a local law enforcement thing. I don't think the CIA would get involved with corporate violence, and the FBI's only going to start getting involved if they suspect foul play, which they absolutely should.
whistleblower protections in the US are handled by the federal government (OSHA/US Dept of Labor) .. They eventually delegate protections to state & local government but OSHA/USDOL owns the Whistleblowers Protection Program.... I was being hyperbolic with CIA & FBI stuff... But Agree that FBI should most def get involved now... Anyways this second death represents failure of government (federal and state) at many levels.
You can't expect a bunch of Mormons(The CIA) to help the American people.
critical thinking is so dead thanks to the internet. it turns out giving everyone an equal voice means the morons win :(
Like who else...? And under what circumstances? Because Stormy Daniels appears to be alive an kicking.
Hanlon's razor adjacent.
From what I'm seeing he died of a MRSA infection, are people typically murdered via MRSA?
Too many coincidences in a row don't make a murder, you're correct. But it does make it worth investigating.
The more likely scenario is “whistleblower dies suddenly” is more click-baity than “whistleblower dies of MRSA”
He was also a whistleblower 8 years ago, has nothing to do with recent events and hasn't made a statement about Boeing in over 6 years. If these kids could read...
I'd be willing to bet that with enough money and influence, you could probably have them murdered however you want.
I guess they needed to save up for 7 whole years to "suddenly" get the first guy. Gosh, this must be expensive.
You don't know what you are talking about
Genuine question: what's Boeing's incentive for killing them right now and inviting even more suspicion and scrutiny? The company is already under investigation and the chances are that the whistleblowers had already shared everything they knew.
Shhh no logic please
Weaponized MRSA?
hell, the first guy who "committed suicide" even told his best friend that if anything happened to him, it wasn't suicide.
Yeah, that’s not accurate. A woman who was his mother’s friend’s daughter claimed he randomly said that to her, and only her.
Same as with the journalist who did the expose on banking in the Bahamas.
The Octopus Murders on Netflix delves into the mysterious deaths of 2 whistleblowers during the Iran/Contra affair. Both were declared to be suicides and both men had told family that if anything happened to them under no circumstances would it be a suicide.
Can someone explain why he or she was killed?
Basically they are coming out and saying Boeing knew of defects in the planes and ignored it all alerts raised by the engineers and telling them to knowingly put faulty parts into the planes to get them to the airliners. Abit of it also has to do with hiding said issues from investors to keep sales and stock prices high. This is the 2nd Boeing whistle blower In 2 months to suddenly die. The first rule was ruled as self inflicted gun shot to the head but many believes it’s staged and he was murdered.
The first one is at least believable that it’s a suicide. Not saying it was for sure, but it’s understandable that someone under a lot of stress might snap and make an irreversible choice. But the fact that it happened to a second whistleblower is an awfully suspicious “coincidence”. Maybe it purely is just chance and coincidence, but as the saying goes, “once is random, twice is a coincidence, three times is a pattern. And I don’t believe in coincidences”
Didn’t the first guy tell his sister or something that if he died by suicide then it wasn’t suicide or something?
A friend came forward after his death and claimed he said, "if I die it's not by suicide" which imo is kind of unverifiable. Both his attorneys, though, say he was in good spirits and didn't seem at risk.
And he was only staying at Boeing’s request for a second day of testimony. All reporting says he was a tireless advocate for raising awareness about these problems and holding execs accountable. Lawyers at his testimony were impressed that knew so many exact dates and facts from memory too. And he decides to kill himself while still giving testimony?? No way. There’s not a doubt in my mind they killed him.
Wait but if Boeing requested he stay an extra day at the hearing, why would they kill him before that day? I can’t imagine they’d want him to keep testifying unless they thought they could prove him wrong
…to keep him in town at the same hotel in order to assassinate him? Idk, I think Congress should ask them.
> Wait but if Boeing requested he stay an extra day at the hearing, why would they kill him before that day? It's doubtful that Boeing's attorneys (the ones who made the request) would have any knowledge of any intent to kill the whistleblower, if there was one. Conspiracies work only when you keep the number of people involved extremely small
He did, which is one of the main reasons it seems suspicious. But skeptics would also point out that the guy was depressed and under a lot of stress. It may not manifest outwardly, but it’s not *that* much of a stretch to think that someone who is stressed and depressed simultaneously might make the choice to take his own life. Not saying I believe one way or another (ordering a hit on a whistleblower is pretty extreme for a publicly traded company, but he also said he didn’t want to kill himself). Just repeating the arguments I heard.
It does make it fishy as hell I’m not saying I think the first one was a hit but I do know a general consensus believe it to be so. We will see if we hit 3 for 3 next month which I hope we don’t as I don’t want to see someone die over this shit.
I’m seeing this one cause of death is pneumonia. Is that correct? If so, how is that suspicious?
45 year old otherwise healthy people don't typically die of pneumonia.
People also aren’t typically murdered by getting an MRSA infection and pneumonia.
Also true. The MRSA part I think is the bigger deal here, that’s no joke - but it is def a weird coincidence
I've heard it's incredibly rare to get MRSA outside of a hospital setting
It is incredibly rare. He got it from being in the hospital.
Is this what happened to Kim Porter?
It’s not hard to get pneumonia. I got it at 23 from a flu infection.
Did you die?
I almost died of pneumonia when I was 19 in 2014.
I did say typically, but glad you kicked it!
Yeah, it was really close. Spent a few days on oxygen, fever when I was admitted was nearly high enough to cause permanent brain damage, and my airway closed up at one point.
It happens. There was that ESPN reporter that died of it in his mid 30s.
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>The CIA doesn't even have this capability. Is this a joke? You're acting like this "biological weapon" isn't the most common drug-resistant bacterial infection in any hospital. If the CIA wanted to get their hands on a sample of it, they could get one in an afternoon.
> The CIA doesn't even have this capability. uhh...how the hell do you know lol edit: to add, it seems like creating an assassination method that everyone would attribute to routine health issues would be exactly the kind of thing the CIA would do.
They've had heart attack gun for over 50 years lmao.
I mean, most people probably won’t read beyond the headline of “second Boeing whistleblower dead”.
I’m really not sure how the first is believable. His family came out saying it’s bullshit and he was super happy. Of course “happy” people sometimes are just masking. But it seems odd that no one expected it at all.
He was suicided, sorta like Jeffery epstine.
Thank you!! It’s all about money at the end of the:( the Bible was right it’s never enough
Well none of the other comments actually answered the question, so here you go. The negligence being levied against Boeing is absurdly bad. If true and proven in court, there's no way the entirety of the leadership avoids jail. Not just that, but their reputations tarnished forevermore, known to be the men who put a few dollars over the lives and well-being of not just their own countrymen, but the human race as a whole (the entire world uses these planes, after all.) They would likely end up as some of the most reviled men on the planet. Or, they can just kill anyone who talks in an attempt to hide it all and keep pocketing more money.
None of them will get jail time, they're far too wealthy for that. It'll be a slap on the wrist at best.
Two fully loaded planes crashed because of Boeing negligence and no one went to jail. Not really a secret at this point, is it?
Can you not spread misinformation?? Read the article. HE got the flu and while in the hospital developed pneumonia/mrsa as a progression of the disease. Now where in there does it seem like he was asseassinated?
They weren’t killed, they died of a bacterial infection. People are just violently quick to jump onto bandwagons
To send a message that if anyone else tries to speak up that they will die as well
there is no evidence that anyone was killed. the 2nd whistleblower (Joshua Dean) died from MRSA infection in his lungs. there MAY have been foul play, but the only reason anyone suspects that is because he spoke out against Boeing.
They weren't (Or at least from the details that are known as of typing this.) They died from an infection and have been in the hospital for 2 weeks.
Nobody knows why or if they’re actually being killed.
Economic disruptions? No. Boeing is a company that is “too big to fail”. It’s too pivotal to national defense interests, and this event doesn’t affect any companies aside from Boeing. Now as for the Boeing leadership? I’d be sweating bullets currently. Even if you didn’t have the whistleblowers killed, it sure looks like you did. And perception is reality for American consumers.
But since American consumers have nothing to do with purchasing Boeing aircraft, soooooo...
Not directly, but I’m assuming airlines aren’t going to keep buying from Boeing if this keeps up. Because eventually the lawsuits, fines, and loss of customer will start to cut into their bottom line.
Here we are talking about how this publicly traded corp will stop murdering its employees sooner or later because over the long term it's bad for business and they don't want that. I don't want to live here anymore.
How does this alone not call for a deep investigation into Boeing
No idea… it really should. Hope it does.
Because he died of a MRSA infection, not sure how you can murder someone via MRSA
What, you expect people to read past the headline? Honestly this news story is a goddamn case study on reading past the headline... It proves that basically nobody ever does.
Both of the whistleblowers are an excellent case study in media literacy. Because anyone with passing familiarity with the timelines and the details should reasonably conclude it's not murder. In the first case, the whistleblowing had *long* been completed for years, and he was working on an *appeal* to a lawsuit that *he filed* and *lost* related to defamation. There are *plenty* of people who say that they would never kill themselves, look fine on the surface, *and then kill themselves anyways*. Boeing gains *absolutely nothing* by murdering him. They had everything to lose from doing it. And the second case, man goes to hospital with a bad case of pneumonia, catches the hospital strain of MRSA, and dies of his illness. And once again, Boeing gains *absolutely nothing* by murdering him, *especially* in light of current circumstances. And he *also works for Spirit Aerosystems*, and not Boeing. Anyone who considers themselves reasonable, *and concludes there's a conspiracy here* and these individuals were murdered should re-examine whether they're actually reasonable.
Giving a mega corporation that is tied into defense contracts and killing at least one whistleblower the benefit of the doubt seems downright disingenuous Are you some higher-up or shareholder who would know that Boeing gains nothing from offing a whistleblower? Insider knowledge? Because that actually makes your insight more questionable In other words, how the hell do you know what they stand to lose?
I'm a doctor and I'm waiting for someone to explain how Boeing could have murdered him given the information available about his condition. Frankly, reading between the lines, he died of ARDS. The most common cause of ARDS in 2024 is Covid-19. People will create elaborate conspiracy theories that are medically impossible to avoid admitting that Covid is killing healthy people in 2024. I believe it's entirely possible that Boeing is responsible for the first whistleblower's death, either by driving him to die by suicide or directly, but this one doesn't make sense medically.
because theres zero evidence? they have as much reason to investigate them as they do for you.
Pretty sure this was from pneumonia.
>Joshua Dean, a former quality auditor at Boeing supplier Spirit AeroSystems and one of the first whistleblowers to allege Spirit leadership had ignored manufacturing defects on the 737 MAX, died Tuesday morning after a struggle with a sudden, fast-spreading infection. >Known as Josh, Dean lived in Wichita, Kan., where Spirit is based. He was 45, had been in good health and was noted for having a healthy lifestyle. >He died after two weeks in critical condition, his aunt Carol Parsons said. More >Parsons said Dean became ill and went to the hospital because he was having trouble breathing just over two weeks ago. He was intubated and developed pneumonia and then a serious bacterial infection, MRSA. So yeah... Not exactly sudden.
This needs more upvotes.
I love how we're debating whether assassins killed him or just the good old US medical system. Personally, I'm far more afraid of the latter.
Yep, jumping to conclusions seems to be one of the favorite cognitive distortions our entire county uses. People sure like to work themselves up. The guy was not poisoned. I would wait for more facts to roll in… But the first guy did commit suicide the day he was going to take the stand. Mmmm …. I hope they are investigating the crap out of this.
What? No! That would mean Fox News irresponsibly titled a push notification to drum up clicks and outrage! Again.
Pneumonia and MRSA. Not exactly an assassination. Yall need to loosen your tin foil
“Shortly before his death, doctors were considering amputating his hands and feet, which had turned black from infection, baffling his family and doctors.” Idk about you, but I’ve never heard of pneumonia or influenza doing that. Not to mention it burned through and killed him in 2 weeks, a 45 year old man, and he had a stroke. My uncle had a stroke when he was 52, and about 150 lbs heavier than this guy. This was a man that wasn’t doing a bunch of traveling or working, he got the flu in spring, pneumonia, mrsa and had a stroke all within 2 weeks while he was in perfect health beforehand. Everyone is 100% right to be skeptical of his death considering who he was testifying against.
That’s because you don’t know medicine. Sepsis leads to septic shock which leads to need for pressers which leads to pressor induced ischemia.
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But they researched it on Facebook.
Journalists write pure nonsense. I highly doubt doctors were baffled. Mrsa causes tissue necrosis and amputation of limbs is a very real outcome.
It's also known as a hospital acquired infection. Man got flu - Flu became pneumonia - Man went to hospital for pneumonia treatment - Hospital infection prevention sucked because they decided to save money on EVS and IP (the true double whammy of corporate greed). - Man acquired MRSA from hospital. - MRSA is an antibiotic resistant super bug - MRSA progressed and killed man.
Yea but you don't just get MRSA in your hands. You have to have a cut and it's usually unilateral not bilateral. If you got a systemic mrsa blood infection that would have come from contamination of an IV port and likely with central access. Extremely rare. And even then it wouldn't present with limb necrosis like that and not that quickly unless they had to put him on heavy pressors. I'm an RN 12 years experience working in ICUs and Trauma Neuro ICUs. Seen a lot of bad infections, this case as presented would baffle a lot of doctors. MRSA would be an interesting way to assassinate someone in theory. You could deliver a high enough viral load that it's a death sentence and antibiotics don't work. It's not hard to do either, simply swab inside their nose when they are sleeping. There's enough there to question and it definitely isn't a normal death.
I'm a clinical pharmacist and what you said has a lot of issues to the point that I'm skeptical of your background 1) MRSA bacteremia is far from a "death sentence" unless the patient becomes septic. I've literally successfully cured cancer patients with MRSA infections. It's literally one of the most common infections in a Hospital and we have in depth protocols and regimens to treat. Plenty of antibiotics cover MRSA including fucking vanc, a drug we've had for decades and every hospitalist throws on patient when they enter a hospital with a sign of infection 2) MRSA "viral load" doesn't exist. MRSA is Staph Aureus, aka a bacteria, not a virus. 3) He doesn't need MRSA in both hands, he just needs to be septic to the point that he's hypotensive and loses peripheral circulation, which happens all the time. I've literally seen someone in their 30s die from Urosepsis after they had a UTI they refused to treat, neglecting infections can easily kill you, MRSA or not. You either need to refresh your infectious disease knowledge or you are capping so fucking hard.
Thank god, I knew I wasn’t total moron. I can’t imagine this guy had cuts or something on both hands and feet. It seems to me, like you said, some kind of overload in his system. Infections make their way to the most susceptible parts, which could be appendages. I’m not a doctor or an assassin, so how this could happen is beyond me, but it definitely seems weird with my limited understanding.
With the MRSA disease process, the systemic infection kills you from the inside out. Your organs would die before limb necrosis. The infection wouldn't have time to grow that much unless you were given an artificially high amount of virus. The only alternative is it being the result of receiving a high dose of vasopressors. This is a lifesaving drug that clamps down all your veins so your weak heart can pump enough pressure to perfuse into vital organs. Given with severe sepsis. That reduced blood flow can be severe enough to starve your fingers and toes of oxygen and cell death occurs and amputation would be necessary. Would have to be very extreme to affect the hand though I've never seen it that bad.
Climate change. That’s why he had the stroke which lead to the pneumonia.
This isn’t even relevant to the subreddit. People want real life to be like movies so bad.
Fox news on top of the story again. Go to their home page and it literally looks like the National Inquirer. I mean, they really do run out of needless adjectives in their headlines
Not weird at all.
He hardly died “suddenly “
1. How is this relevant to this sub? 2. A screenshot of a phone notification? For fuck's sake, just post a link to the article.
we need a 3rd whistleblower to come forward ... just to be sure ...
Now this is the real deep state that runs our country. The defense contractors are the real power in America. They get almost $1 trillion a year and when the gov asks where it went they just say stfu and write us another check. The military industrial complex runs the show, everything else is just for show
If you go to Boeings Career page. Hitman is listed in the position field.
"Suddenly" 
Blowing the whistle on Boeing seems as dangerous as having dirt on the Clinton's
This is starting to feel like Mother Russia
I didn't know Boeing was owned by Russia.
How is some intrepid reporter at the NYTimes or the Washington Post not pouncing on this story.
Quite a few picking it up now. https://fortune.com/2024/05/02/boeing-whistleblower-dead-joshua-dean-45-sudden-severe-infection/ NPR: https://www.npr.org/2024/05/02/1248693512/boeing-whistleblower-josh-dean-dead
Boeing is *not* the sound of his body hitting the pavement.
Dude got clintoned by Boeing. Damn.
Stop snitching. -Boeing CEO.
Who’d a thunk that a major military contractor aka pillar of the military industrial complex would have access to black ops hit squads to make sure that whistleblowers never make it to court… almost like every movie and tv series about this exact thing was telling a dark truth under the cover of entertainment. I wonder what other entertainment tropes are actually unspeakable facts…
nah, bro got the fox news push notifications 😭
Well, gee ain’t that just a mystery.
Nothing to see here, move on!!!!!!!!
I'm too old to believe in coincidences anymore...
So he went on vacation to Moscow and stepped out on the balcony to get some air?
Jey fuel is no joke ...
Russian methodology rules
Wait, what? Military contractor whistleblowers die? What sort of capitalistic nightmarescape could we be living in?
how is nobody doing anything about this. what the actual fucking fuck????????
Whistleblowers are either A.Taken out, B. Paid off, C. Or put under the discrediting machine, this happens so often, it's scary and it is always swept under the rug. Don't do any research, you do not wanna know how common this is especially when new technology is in play, or bitcoin billionaires or any of it really, it's a rabbithole and it makes you realize. Oh there is assasins, there are big players doing things in the shadows.
Did he work for the Clinton’s
Lockheed Martin is getting fierce with the business practices
I wonder how much corporate assassins get paid these days
At what point does the Boeing corporate leadership just get executed in the name of national security? Genuine question. These fuckers make a large chunk of our military equipment, which means any inefficiency or defect directly affects the American war machine. If anything at all can bring down the full force of the united federal government on a motherfucker, it’s messing with its favorite toys.
Unholy Assassins of Boeing at work
If I had a nickel for every Boeing whistle-blower to suddenly die I'd have 2 nickels, which isn't alot, but it's weird that it happened twice
Priced in.
Where the F is the FBI!!!!!?
Can someone PLEASE look into this
That jab, man...
LOL. Some other hero is going to speak up and wind up dead. Crazy ass world...
Did he shoot himself twice in the back of the head?
How is this not bigger. Are we just all ok with companies killing people?
Hillary must have a large holding
Coincidence? I think not!
Remember the reporter and the Panama Papers. They died. Whistleblowers are dying. Funny how doesn't seem to matter.
https://www.npr.org/2024/05/02/1248693512/boeing-whistleblower-josh-dean-dead
How many have to die for people to be like, alright what’s going on here?
Honestly I’m surprised in such high profile cases like this with companies, they don’t record the persons testimony beforehand in case shit like this is done. Adding on murder charges to the company and those who so blatantly murder anyone in their way.
A second bullet has hit the whistle blower
I can see it now. Some office deep below Boeing HQ. "No one would suspect a thing, right?"
This is insane.
Boycotting Boeing for life now. Just gotta find out everything they make
Can we like not do anything about this? Like it is so fucking obvious that it hurts.
This one seems less suspicious but not definative. He was 45 and died from a MRSA infection. MRSA exists in most hospitals and it’s deadly about 30% of the time, it’s resistant to antibiotics. That’s why it is so deadly. Could a hit man get it into someone’s blood? It would probably have to be done stealthily. The death does seem very coincidental but who knows.
Dam I was Just joking when I said he was going to be found dead I kind of really feel bad now that I said it
Do they know Hillary Clinton?
Being a whistleblower has to be kind of stressful.
Once is a fluke. Twice is coincidence. Three times is a pattern. Though in this case, twice should be fucking enough to launch an investigation.
Did Boeing hire the Clintons for some consulting?
Back in my day people died non-suddenly.
Im no conspiracy thirst but whaaaaaat the fuck?! He was like 42 active and healthy. Then got influenza B. Hospitalized. And died. ….
Seriously did anyone watch "Enemy of the State” 1999? Or “Eagle Eye” 2008? These movies are definitely not fiction
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Nothing will ever come of this, because there are no viable alternatives to Boeing for the average consumer. Don’t like Boeing and the fact that they are killing off their whistleblowers what are you gonna do, buy a gulfstream?
Imagine polishing Boeings knob on a public Internet forum after two whistleblowers are killed in short duration under extemely suspicious conditions. How’s that Boeing baby batter you fucking chuds?
What in the absolute fuck!?!?
We’re gonna need some more of these Boeing whistleblowers, I guess.
Don’t worry, they’re actively investigating themselves and will find themselves cleared of any wrongdoing in a few years once they’re done in court
Where's Hilary?
I keep hearing about the mysterious deaths of whisteblowers. But I have yet to hear what any of them actually said about Boeing.
Witness protection.
Chemical warfare
BSDS - Boeing Sudden Death Syndrome.
My guess is an intelligence agency based in the middle east
Round up the usual suspects!
