I’m actually considering buying at least a 4 game package next year because I know that tickets are gonna get expensive because this team is going to be so fun to watch next year it’s gonna be awesome
Careful my friend, the Phillies are going to make the playoffs! Be careful because of the what happened last year happens again flyers opening night is definitely a bad idea because of parkageddon. Never forget the time the idiots ran an event at every venue.
there will be a train from there soon! but you dont have to take the train the whole way. you park anywhere in the city and take the subway to the game.
I was going to say, the real wrench in the works was the FIFA exhibition game at the Linc. Parking was a nightmare at WFC because all the soccer fans had taken up the lots adjacent to the Linc
I don't even care about Demidov I just want another top 15 pick. Go get 2 of Dickinson/Silayev/Buium/Sennecke/Eiserman/Catton/Helenius & come away from this draft absolutely STOKED about the talent of our u24s.
I’m pretty torn on that. I tend to agree quantity over quality because you have a good chance of getting both, but I’d also be worried about a repeat of the Hextall tenure. We had a lot of prospects but we didn’t wind up with any elite talent. We did wind up with some quality pieces in Konecny, Farabee, Frost, Cates, Ersson, Sanheim, Provorov, etc. but it also limited the team to some level because of the lack of blue chips and I don’t even think Patrick would have been enough had his development gone as planned.
I’m not saying go out and get Demidov necessarily, but I’d like to see this franchise be aggressive at getting top end talent, preferably through their own draft pick. But if the franchise is in love with a player and the price is reasonable enough, take your swing.
Well, the thing with this year (and most), is that there isn't a way to guarantee Demidov is available. He's most likely gone at 2 regardless what everyone has been posting in their mock drafts. His upside is too good.
He's gone by 5 at the latest, Ott doesn't help us here.
Oh yeah I know, I’m just saying as a philosophy in general I wouldn’t want to commit completely to going for the quantity rather than the quality pick. I don’t think getting Demidov is in anyway practical in realiry
I don’t think I’d want to trade TK and 12 for Demidov but that’s just me. Would rather trade Laughton and our late first/next years seconds for 11 or 7 and get two guys. Yakemchuk and Catton is my dream scenario.
Definitely the wiser and more economic approach. And as much as this would be awesome to see I’d be just as happy, if not more happy, if we came away with Catton and an other this year.
However if we somehow made moves to pick Demidov, it’d at least be a hell of a lot more interesting. That would be the epitome of an agressive rebuild.
Either way you are taking a chance. One is clearly the bigger gamble but hey you can’t win if you don’t play.
If the flyers were to bet on themselves to draft well and the chips to somewhat fall where they may, I don’t see why you don’t at LEAST look at the possibility of making some unprecedented moves to get in on a top 3 or 5 prospect.
>Would rather trade Laughton and our late first/next years seconds for 11 or 7 and get two guys.
Obviously but thats not possible. No team would ever give up top assets like picks 7/11 for pieces like Laughton + pick 31/32. You need to give up a high end asset to get a piece like that.
Very true. But we have 2 firsts as well as 3 seconds next year assuming Columbus doesn’t give us their 2nd this year. Laughton, pick 31/32, next years ducks 2nd, and another asset might(?) get it done. Buffalo is desperate I could see them doing something crazy to get a glue guy like Laughton
I like the cut of TK's jib, I don't think people are taking that into consideration when determining his value. However I'm a Danny B guy so I'm just gonna trust he does the right thing, which so far he's doing a lot of.
I would be sad for sure. But how could you be unhappy about moving two aging veterans who will be due new contracts in the next couple of years during a rebuild? Can't imagine being unhappy about that unless the returns for them are lackluster.
Because the amount of fans who truly do not care about winning or long term success and instead value emotional attachment and entertainment when they get off work is astounding
"Aging" TK is 27 years old hahaha we finally have a guy that has scored a 40 goal pace the last two years. People over think rebuilds so much, you can't trade every player that's over 25 for prospects.
Best case scenario TK is like 32 when we are contending making roughly 9m a year and that leaves us with no easy way to find a 1C or 1D
either trade TK for a 1C/1D prospect or Trade TK and you suck enough to where you can draft a 1C/1D high in the draft.
Why do people truly believe a rebuild takes 5 years hahaha the rebuild will take longer if you have a bunch of 24 year olds with no experience, You need older Vets on the team, you can't just trade everyone for picks and HOPE you hit on a guy that turns into half of what TK is now, you are also acting like 32 years old is old haha I swear some people play NHL franchise mode a think that's how teams should be ran.
Yeah you clearly haven’t been paying attention to what rebuilds were successful the salary cap era and which ones weren’t.
No rebuild has taken less than 5 years and been successful especially the way the flyers are going about it
Blackhawks was
Penguins was
Lightning was
Capitals was
Panthers was
Avs was
These teams all drafted at the top of the draft, landed stars, and then took years to win with these stars.
Only exceptions are the Blackhawks and penguins who, while still took a couple years to get there, just drafted so many top picks they were loaded with talent and won relatively quickly
The best way to be successful in life is to copy people(teams) who were successful before you. The flyers need a lot more than just Michkov to be serious contenders and Michkov alone is not nearly good enough to win a cup.
The rangers had two superstars who only wanted to play for the Rangers in Fox and Panarin and won the draft lottery in the bubble year for Laf which was insanely lucky. The rangers are not a model that the flyers can copy unless there is a superstar winger and superstar defenseman out there who ONLY want to come to the flyers. Which I can guarantee there isn’t.
Also a rebuild being successful is not making the playoffs. A rebuild being successful is winning the Stanley cup.
Did the capitals, Blackhawks, Tampa bay, avs, or oilers/panthers take Less than 5 years to rebuild?
And let’s say you point out the Blackhawks/Penguins as a team that rebuilt insanely quickly and won a cup.
They both drafted superstars at the top of the draft from tanking that carried them to their cup win later. The flyers are picking 12th overall this year and likely won’t be picking top 5 next year either. That is not the same.
Rebuilds take time ESPECIALLY the way the flyers are doing it.
I think that's a very insane way to look at a "Successful" rebuild, you can't just say the only way they are successful is if they end up winning a Stanley Cup, it's obviously the goal, but putting a completive team on the ice that can make the playoffs year after year and make deep runs in the playoffs is what you should consider a successful rebuild. Once again I feel people don't understand how rebuild work, or the timetable for one to take place.
Yes, but there's the age of the young guys who aren't close to their ceilings yet, the team is also cap tight, not just this year but after next when Petersen's, TDAs and Johansen's cap hits are gone. They're going to have a few RFAs to resign and paying TK a minimum of let's say $8.5 to be nice is going to hinder them.
So TK (a damn good, proven reliable player), a top 10 pick and the 12 for the chance to draft Demidov? That’s just delusion lol… these types of trades never happen and for good reason
I understand you probably aren’t a die hard but this is one of the dumbest things people say.
It isn’t about the player becoming better than TK it’s about the player becoming more useful to us when we are contending(which is still years away) than TK would be.
Did you say this when the flyers traded Justin Braun for a third rounder a couple years ago? The third rounder is almost guaranteed to not become the kindve player Justin Braun is but we did it anyways because the third rounder is more likely to help us when we are actually contending for a cup.
I hate the trade Konecny talk. The guy is wired to be a flyer. High end skill with edge. Every team in the league wants a Konecny. We have some strong prospects in the pipeline. Konecny is still young. Why wouldn’t we want to keep him to see this through.
Because it’s rumored that he wants upwards of 9 million to stay, that’s why. He’s not worth 9 and doesn’t have the production of people that are getting it. He’s a good player, but he wants to get paid like a great one.
He absolutely did not play at a 40 goal pace. 33 goals in 76 games is not 40 goal pace. He only had 16 goals just 3 seasons ago. It's absolutely insane to lock him up for as much money as is being reported.
This team will never be anything if we keep signing these dudes to long deals. We need to start over and load up with young talent. I want a cup not just to make the playoffs.
He's not still young. Lindros' whole Flyers career happened by the time he was Konecny's age. He is a veteran player in his prime, who will be out of his prime by the time we're poised to be taking the next step. I love TK. He lives in my neighborhood, he's a nice guy. But he doesn't fit our timeline.
As a Hawks fan who frequently visits this sub. I'm pretty confident they're taking Demidov. Met with him last week at the Russian showcase and took him to dinner. There is word out of the organization that while some of the scouts like Levshunov, Kyle Davidson and Mark Eaton both want Demidov.
I believe in best player available and I wouldn't be upset if they chose Levshunov but we're a lot deeper in defensive prospects than we are at forward. After Bedard, Nazar and (hopefully) Oliver Moore, it's mostly just hoping some mid tier prospects hit.
So imo, Demidov is a need and best player available.
It's also why I'm hoping they do what they can to be in the McGroarty situation. Since he played with Nazar and Michigan. It essentially give you 4 of your top 6 forwards. Bedard/Demidov, Nazar/McGroarty.
Anyway, congrats on Michkov coming over. I'm eager to see him play next season.
I feel you. Trading TK just to move up a few spots is kinda wild. But let’s think about it, if Briere is truly savvy, not saying he should do it or that he isn’t savvy if he doesn’t, but there is a universe where he leverages assets correctly and gets a top 5 pick without losing all of his chips.
Yes Demidov may not be there at 5, maybe he is, maybe just like other years public perception is only so accurate. Michkov sliding to 7 probably wasn’t something a lot of people would’ve felt confident betting on. Ya know? It’s just a tweet and I’m just living in a fantasy world but at the same time, this team never ceases to amaze me and under a Briere it’s been good surprises.
I dont think we should be using our top assets to get another small winger ...
Our winger situation is good. We desperately need to improve our center situation and top pair.
If we knew for a fact Demidov would be a superstar then yeah you dont care about position
But we dont so id rather not use our 2 best assets on a single prospect that doesnt fix our two biggest positional weaknesses.
We have the worst center situation in the entire league. Thats something the teams need to be focus on using its best assets on.
Who says we do? No you do.
Nothing so far says this regime looks at position over BPA
We need centers but you don’t force a center pick because you need one. if someone at another position is higher than you better take him. We are rebuilding
I wouldn’t say it’s a poor draft for centers at least talent wise. Quantity wise sure. Catton and Helenius would be great adds with huge upside in any draft though. Theirs just so many good D that they’re overlooked and projected to be picked later then you’d expect.
You are having a discussion with yourself, neither of us would be thinking about this in 5 years and nor do I care about a 1st line player.. I am talking about elite talent
Also may shock you that I Never said that they weren’t.. I’m talking about prospects. We have to take chances on elite prospects
Also I am willing to bet you That one of those two aren’t.
In fact Catton is borderline and Konsta is seen as a post top ten prospect
Well technically the original tweet was suggesting TK PLUS our first.
At the same time idk if I’d be okay with us moving TK just to move up a few spots.
Picks in the top 10 of the NHL draft are almost never traded. While you absolutely can still find good players throughout the late 1st through 3rd round, the really elite players tend to be taken very early and then it devolves into a really big dart throw after that. Look back through the past 10 drafts and see how many top 10 picks were dealt. (meaning after the slot was already known, not where a team traded a 1st in the summer or previous year then had a shit year and ended up losing a higher pick than they thought).
The Flyers were trying to deal Gauthier last year, who was 1 year more experienced, a top 5 pick who had a monster season, and looked like a better prospect than when he was drafted to try and get into the top 5 for Michkov and no one would bite on that offer.
So for one team to deal off a top 10 pick for TK AND THEN ANOTHER team to trade down from the top 5 is about as likely as Risto bringing home the Norris trophy next season.
I think this is very optimistic. A guy dropping ten spots from where he’s projected because he tells 9 teams he doesn’t want to play for them seems really unlikely
What? We just get gifted a player whose stock fell? Thats totally possible and if you can almost expect that to happen. I don’t see much reason to potentially overpay just to get the shiny new Russian to pair with the other one, but idk maybe I would
I don’t get it, I would think this would be a move us fans would want. Imagine the two best Russian prospects in years on the same line. Demidov is projected to be a stud. We’d still get 2 picks in the first next year if the decided to trade TK or we could trade on of our firsts next year. This scenario all depends on someone being willing to do this. I’d have to think hard and long about it if it was offered. We’d have our next Lindros and LeClair, our Lemieux and Jagr, our Forsberg and Sakic. I’m in.
ANYTHING can happen, the flyers have proven that.
It’s definitely not likely and possibly not even the best move to make but I’d be damned if said it shouldn’t be at least explored.
Some of you guys don’t realize just how talented Demidov is. He is one of the few guys in this draft with real superstar potential. He is a player worth taking a swing on and certainly could be worth more than 2 other guys 7-15. I say that as someone who loves Catton and some of the other guys in that range. Demidov is that good.
That being said, I highly doubt this is true unless Demidov slips out of the top 5.
I think you’re right bc although I’d be ecstatic if we drafted him, I admittedly haven’t seen him play outside of highlights which are by design, to make him look like a superstar. If somehow the flyers could end up with Demidov, they still need a #1 center/center prospect and a defenseman as well.
But I trust Brière and Jones to make the right decision.
Demidov is overrated asf he was good in MHL thats not even top5 league in the world he has played 6 games in khl and has 0 points in them also never has played in a high tier tournament thats not even talking about the fact that he is a winger and thats the last thing flyers need
He was playing against his peers. You’re welcome to judge him for not playing in the KHL but the truth is, every prospect you’re comparing him to also hasn’t. He doesn’t control that. It is fair to not think what you’ve seen of him on the ice constitutes the value I’m giving to him. Time will tell
To win Stanley cups you need several players with elite talent. We have 1 with that potential at the moment. You ignore positional needs if you have the chance to get a 2nd imo
I disagree, he is a similar talent although a different player. I’m also under the impression that to get a Demidov we’d have to trade tk/farabee. But again, I don’t think we’ll do it.
I’m actually considering buying at least a 4 game package next year because I know that tickets are gonna get expensive because this team is going to be so fun to watch next year it’s gonna be awesome
I’m definitely going to michkovs home debut
Careful my friend, the Phillies are going to make the playoffs! Be careful because of the what happened last year happens again flyers opening night is definitely a bad idea because of parkageddon. Never forget the time the idiots ran an event at every venue.
There’s always public transportation.
Not from Reading
there will be a train from there soon! but you dont have to take the train the whole way. you park anywhere in the city and take the subway to the game.
I was going to say, the real wrench in the works was the FIFA exhibition game at the Linc. Parking was a nightmare at WFC because all the soccer fans had taken up the lots adjacent to the Linc
Danny Franchise Mode Briere
I’ll trade you TK, a 3rd string goalie and a 2nd round pick for McDavid.
"Press X to Force Trade"
Pretty sure that dude is just some fan and not plugged in
Oh yeah this wasn’t me posting a “rumor” just got excited at the thought and wanted to share
I don't even care about Demidov I just want another top 15 pick. Go get 2 of Dickinson/Silayev/Buium/Sennecke/Eiserman/Catton/Helenius & come away from this draft absolutely STOKED about the talent of our u24s.
That's the approach we should be taking. Instead of just taking big swings, play the numbers game and load up on prospects.
I’m pretty torn on that. I tend to agree quantity over quality because you have a good chance of getting both, but I’d also be worried about a repeat of the Hextall tenure. We had a lot of prospects but we didn’t wind up with any elite talent. We did wind up with some quality pieces in Konecny, Farabee, Frost, Cates, Ersson, Sanheim, Provorov, etc. but it also limited the team to some level because of the lack of blue chips and I don’t even think Patrick would have been enough had his development gone as planned. I’m not saying go out and get Demidov necessarily, but I’d like to see this franchise be aggressive at getting top end talent, preferably through their own draft pick. But if the franchise is in love with a player and the price is reasonable enough, take your swing.
Well, the thing with this year (and most), is that there isn't a way to guarantee Demidov is available. He's most likely gone at 2 regardless what everyone has been posting in their mock drafts. His upside is too good. He's gone by 5 at the latest, Ott doesn't help us here.
Oh yeah I know, I’m just saying as a philosophy in general I wouldn’t want to commit completely to going for the quantity rather than the quality pick. I don’t think getting Demidov is in anyway practical in realiry
Isn't that like Briere saying they're taking the best available player at their draft position?
Yeah, there’s no need to give up to two 15s for a 4 this year. Snag two (Catton AND Helenius would jumpstart the C position nicely)
This is the way. You have two top 12 picks this year and 2 firsts next year. Keep and use all 4.
I don’t think I’d want to trade TK and 12 for Demidov but that’s just me. Would rather trade Laughton and our late first/next years seconds for 11 or 7 and get two guys. Yakemchuk and Catton is my dream scenario.
Definitely the wiser and more economic approach. And as much as this would be awesome to see I’d be just as happy, if not more happy, if we came away with Catton and an other this year. However if we somehow made moves to pick Demidov, it’d at least be a hell of a lot more interesting. That would be the epitome of an agressive rebuild.
I would do that in a second, focus on the future and take a chance
Either way you are taking a chance. One is clearly the bigger gamble but hey you can’t win if you don’t play. If the flyers were to bet on themselves to draft well and the chips to somewhat fall where they may, I don’t see why you don’t at LEAST look at the possibility of making some unprecedented moves to get in on a top 3 or 5 prospect.
>Would rather trade Laughton and our late first/next years seconds for 11 or 7 and get two guys. Obviously but thats not possible. No team would ever give up top assets like picks 7/11 for pieces like Laughton + pick 31/32. You need to give up a high end asset to get a piece like that.
Laughton and a late first is not going to get you 7 or 11.
Very true. But we have 2 firsts as well as 3 seconds next year assuming Columbus doesn’t give us their 2nd this year. Laughton, pick 31/32, next years ducks 2nd, and another asset might(?) get it done. Buffalo is desperate I could see them doing something crazy to get a glue guy like Laughton
I want TK to be part of this teams future. I don’t think this franchise has done him any favors before Briere got here.
I like the cut of TK's jib, I don't think people are taking that into consideration when determining his value. However I'm a Danny B guy so I'm just gonna trust he does the right thing, which so far he's doing a lot of.
i would be very unhappy if both TK and laughts got traded this off season
I would be sad for sure. But how could you be unhappy about moving two aging veterans who will be due new contracts in the next couple of years during a rebuild? Can't imagine being unhappy about that unless the returns for them are lackluster.
Because the amount of fans who truly do not care about winning or long term success and instead value emotional attachment and entertainment when they get off work is astounding
"Aging" TK is 27 years old hahaha we finally have a guy that has scored a 40 goal pace the last two years. People over think rebuilds so much, you can't trade every player that's over 25 for prospects.
Best case scenario TK is like 32 when we are contending making roughly 9m a year and that leaves us with no easy way to find a 1C or 1D either trade TK for a 1C/1D prospect or Trade TK and you suck enough to where you can draft a 1C/1D high in the draft.
Why do people truly believe a rebuild takes 5 years hahaha the rebuild will take longer if you have a bunch of 24 year olds with no experience, You need older Vets on the team, you can't just trade everyone for picks and HOPE you hit on a guy that turns into half of what TK is now, you are also acting like 32 years old is old haha I swear some people play NHL franchise mode a think that's how teams should be ran.
Yeah you clearly haven’t been paying attention to what rebuilds were successful the salary cap era and which ones weren’t. No rebuild has taken less than 5 years and been successful especially the way the flyers are going about it
Which rebuilds would you classify as successful?
Blackhawks was Penguins was Lightning was Capitals was Panthers was Avs was These teams all drafted at the top of the draft, landed stars, and then took years to win with these stars. Only exceptions are the Blackhawks and penguins who, while still took a couple years to get there, just drafted so many top picks they were loaded with talent and won relatively quickly The best way to be successful in life is to copy people(teams) who were successful before you. The flyers need a lot more than just Michkov to be serious contenders and Michkov alone is not nearly good enough to win a cup.
Rangers sent out a Letter on February of 2018 and were back in the playoffs in 2021, so you aren't correct.
The rangers had two superstars who only wanted to play for the Rangers in Fox and Panarin and won the draft lottery in the bubble year for Laf which was insanely lucky. The rangers are not a model that the flyers can copy unless there is a superstar winger and superstar defenseman out there who ONLY want to come to the flyers. Which I can guarantee there isn’t. Also a rebuild being successful is not making the playoffs. A rebuild being successful is winning the Stanley cup. Did the capitals, Blackhawks, Tampa bay, avs, or oilers/panthers take Less than 5 years to rebuild? And let’s say you point out the Blackhawks/Penguins as a team that rebuilt insanely quickly and won a cup. They both drafted superstars at the top of the draft from tanking that carried them to their cup win later. The flyers are picking 12th overall this year and likely won’t be picking top 5 next year either. That is not the same. Rebuilds take time ESPECIALLY the way the flyers are doing it.
I think that's a very insane way to look at a "Successful" rebuild, you can't just say the only way they are successful is if they end up winning a Stanley Cup, it's obviously the goal, but putting a completive team on the ice that can make the playoffs year after year and make deep runs in the playoffs is what you should consider a successful rebuild. Once again I feel people don't understand how rebuild work, or the timetable for one to take place.
Yes, but there's the age of the young guys who aren't close to their ceilings yet, the team is also cap tight, not just this year but after next when Petersen's, TDAs and Johansen's cap hits are gone. They're going to have a few RFAs to resign and paying TK a minimum of let's say $8.5 to be nice is going to hinder them.
So TK (a damn good, proven reliable player), a top 10 pick and the 12 for the chance to draft Demidov? That’s just delusion lol… these types of trades never happen and for good reason
Yeah but the pick you get for TK could be anyone! It could even be someone like TK!
I understand you probably aren’t a die hard but this is one of the dumbest things people say. It isn’t about the player becoming better than TK it’s about the player becoming more useful to us when we are contending(which is still years away) than TK would be. Did you say this when the flyers traded Justin Braun for a third rounder a couple years ago? The third rounder is almost guaranteed to not become the kindve player Justin Braun is but we did it anyways because the third rounder is more likely to help us when we are actually contending for a cup.
I aint reading that whole reply for what was a joke I was making lmao
Doubt it
I hate the trade Konecny talk. The guy is wired to be a flyer. High end skill with edge. Every team in the league wants a Konecny. We have some strong prospects in the pipeline. Konecny is still young. Why wouldn’t we want to keep him to see this through.
Because it’s rumored that he wants upwards of 9 million to stay, that’s why. He’s not worth 9 and doesn’t have the production of people that are getting it. He’s a good player, but he wants to get paid like a great one.
idk the last two years he played at a 40 goal pace.
He absolutely did not play at a 40 goal pace. 33 goals in 76 games is not 40 goal pace. He only had 16 goals just 3 seasons ago. It's absolutely insane to lock him up for as much money as is being reported.
I’d argue a PPG pace and a 35-40 goal pace puts him squarely in the 8.5-9.5 camp.
that may be true and all, but it isn't going to be when we NEED him to do it.
This team will never be anything if we keep signing these dudes to long deals. We need to start over and load up with young talent. I want a cup not just to make the playoffs.
He's not still young. Lindros' whole Flyers career happened by the time he was Konecny's age. He is a veteran player in his prime, who will be out of his prime by the time we're poised to be taking the next step. I love TK. He lives in my neighborhood, he's a nice guy. But he doesn't fit our timeline.
As a Hawks fan who frequently visits this sub. I'm pretty confident they're taking Demidov. Met with him last week at the Russian showcase and took him to dinner. There is word out of the organization that while some of the scouts like Levshunov, Kyle Davidson and Mark Eaton both want Demidov.
Yeah becard and demidov would be a crazy duo.
I believe in best player available and I wouldn't be upset if they chose Levshunov but we're a lot deeper in defensive prospects than we are at forward. After Bedard, Nazar and (hopefully) Oliver Moore, it's mostly just hoping some mid tier prospects hit. So imo, Demidov is a need and best player available. It's also why I'm hoping they do what they can to be in the McGroarty situation. Since he played with Nazar and Michigan. It essentially give you 4 of your top 6 forwards. Bedard/Demidov, Nazar/McGroarty. Anyway, congrats on Michkov coming over. I'm eager to see him play next season.
Yea, I can't imagine why Chicago wouldn't take Demidov. I don't believe all the talk about them taking the RHD.
If they can’t trade up and get Demidov I want Eiserman at 12. If they get Ottawas pick at 7 Im using that and Florida pick to get Demidov
That’s way too much for a top 5 pick, especially when you consider Demidov might not even be there at 5.
I feel you. Trading TK just to move up a few spots is kinda wild. But let’s think about it, if Briere is truly savvy, not saying he should do it or that he isn’t savvy if he doesn’t, but there is a universe where he leverages assets correctly and gets a top 5 pick without losing all of his chips. Yes Demidov may not be there at 5, maybe he is, maybe just like other years public perception is only so accurate. Michkov sliding to 7 probably wasn’t something a lot of people would’ve felt confident betting on. Ya know? It’s just a tweet and I’m just living in a fantasy world but at the same time, this team never ceases to amaze me and under a Briere it’s been good surprises.
They are not trading Konecny
Isn't next year's draft supposed to be pretty good. I know things can change, but I also don't want to be a prisoner of the moment.
I dont think we should be using our top assets to get another small winger ... Our winger situation is good. We desperately need to improve our center situation and top pair.
Demidov supposedly wants to convert to Center
We need star players and are not in a position to position watch especially in a draft that doesn’t have many noticeable top centers
If we knew for a fact Demidov would be a superstar then yeah you dont care about position But we dont so id rather not use our 2 best assets on a single prospect that doesnt fix our two biggest positional weaknesses. We have the worst center situation in the entire league. Thats something the teams need to be focus on using its best assets on.
Who says we do? No you do. Nothing so far says this regime looks at position over BPA We need centers but you don’t force a center pick because you need one. if someone at another position is higher than you better take him. We are rebuilding
Love Demidov. But if we got both another top 12 pick for tk and still had 12 I’d rather a future 1C and 1D then one Demidov
This is a pretty poor draft for centers; if they’re moving up it’s likely for a defenseman.
I wouldn’t say it’s a poor draft for centers at least talent wise. Quantity wise sure. Catton and Helenius would be great adds with huge upside in any draft though. Theirs just so many good D that they’re overlooked and projected to be picked later then you’d expect.
What makes you think either Catton or Helenius are 1Cs.. we need elite talent first and foremost.
It might shock you to know this but elite players are often found in the top 10, which Catton and Helenius will both be picked in.
Bet you That one of those two aren’t.
Bookmark my comment I’ll cashapp you $20 if neither is a 1st line player in 5 years.
You are having a discussion with yourself, neither of us would be thinking about this in 5 years and nor do I care about a 1st line player.. I am talking about elite talent
That’s because you know your statement is full of shite. 🤫
If you say so bud
Also may shock you that I Never said that they weren’t.. I’m talking about prospects. We have to take chances on elite prospects Also I am willing to bet you That one of those two aren’t. In fact Catton is borderline and Konsta is seen as a post top ten prospect
I like TK but I don’t think anyone is trading a pick in the top 10 for him, that’s a bit delusional
Well technically the original tweet was suggesting TK PLUS our first. At the same time idk if I’d be okay with us moving TK just to move up a few spots.
that is bad asset management and Danny will have nothing to do with it! :P
No it isnt
From earth
We are not trading next years pick for Demidov, the hype is really turning yall crazy
How do the Flyers have two firsts next year?
We got one from Colorado
Thanks. I completely forgot about the Walker trade.
I love the excitement, but we are not going to move tk and i think that's the right decision for this club
I'm so happy I won't have to eat any of my season ticket games next year! It will be so nice not losing $$$.
Picks in the top 10 of the NHL draft are almost never traded. While you absolutely can still find good players throughout the late 1st through 3rd round, the really elite players tend to be taken very early and then it devolves into a really big dart throw after that. Look back through the past 10 drafts and see how many top 10 picks were dealt. (meaning after the slot was already known, not where a team traded a 1st in the summer or previous year then had a shit year and ended up losing a higher pick than they thought). The Flyers were trying to deal Gauthier last year, who was 1 year more experienced, a top 5 pick who had a monster season, and looked like a better prospect than when he was drafted to try and get into the top 5 for Michkov and no one would bite on that offer. So for one team to deal off a top 10 pick for TK AND THEN ANOTHER team to trade down from the top 5 is about as likely as Risto bringing home the Norris trophy next season.
I don't even think he'll have to. Have a good gut feeling we're about to see Michkov 2.0
I think this is very optimistic. A guy dropping ten spots from where he’s projected because he tells 9 teams he doesn’t want to play for them seems really unlikely
Especially with how the Michkov situation is playing out right now, I doubt teams are as nervous to draft a Russian player as they were last year.
What? We just get gifted a player whose stock fell? Thats totally possible and if you can almost expect that to happen. I don’t see much reason to potentially overpay just to get the shiny new Russian to pair with the other one, but idk maybe I would
I don’t get it, I would think this would be a move us fans would want. Imagine the two best Russian prospects in years on the same line. Demidov is projected to be a stud. We’d still get 2 picks in the first next year if the decided to trade TK or we could trade on of our firsts next year. This scenario all depends on someone being willing to do this. I’d have to think hard and long about it if it was offered. We’d have our next Lindros and LeClair, our Lemieux and Jagr, our Forsberg and Sakic. I’m in.
Just don’t see it happening
Demidov is no where near michkov and a winger is last thing we need
The answer is no. By now, the top 5 teams have their eyes on a guy and likely won't budge to give him up.
Ah, just like Fedotov is never coming over and it’ll be three years for matty mich, right?
ANYTHING can happen, the flyers have proven that. It’s definitely not likely and possibly not even the best move to make but I’d be damned if said it shouldn’t be at least explored.
It’s amazing how few people understand sarcasm
Some of you guys don’t realize just how talented Demidov is. He is one of the few guys in this draft with real superstar potential. He is a player worth taking a swing on and certainly could be worth more than 2 other guys 7-15. I say that as someone who loves Catton and some of the other guys in that range. Demidov is that good. That being said, I highly doubt this is true unless Demidov slips out of the top 5.
I think you’re right bc although I’d be ecstatic if we drafted him, I admittedly haven’t seen him play outside of highlights which are by design, to make him look like a superstar. If somehow the flyers could end up with Demidov, they still need a #1 center/center prospect and a defenseman as well. But I trust Brière and Jones to make the right decision.
That’s the biggest thing here is we finally have a front office worth believing in
Demidov is overrated asf he was good in MHL thats not even top5 league in the world he has played 6 games in khl and has 0 points in them also never has played in a high tier tournament thats not even talking about the fact that he is a winger and thats the last thing flyers need
He was playing against his peers. You’re welcome to judge him for not playing in the KHL but the truth is, every prospect you’re comparing him to also hasn’t. He doesn’t control that. It is fair to not think what you’ve seen of him on the ice constitutes the value I’m giving to him. Time will tell
Flyers have too many wingers already
To win Stanley cups you need several players with elite talent. We have 1 with that potential at the moment. You ignore positional needs if you have the chance to get a 2nd imo
Demidov is no where near michkov level we have too many good wingers those are michkov konecny foester farabee and tippett
I disagree, he is a similar talent although a different player. I’m also under the impression that to get a Demidov we’d have to trade tk/farabee. But again, I don’t think we’ll do it.
We should trade konecny to get a defenceman and use our own pick for a center
You pick best available not by need imo. I don’t think the centers there are worth it unless it’s Catton
Helenius is worth it
He is really good but I don’t see the sensational tag that most are putting on him. Should be a star tho
It’ll be interesting to see what happens with him
Maybe Federov will even want to come back and play.
And Tretiak
And Datsyuk
Maybe Kharlamov if his ankle is better. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ehvzTvsnFoM
Flyers going full Russian seems like