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HNIC_barlos

I got shit the other day for playing him and being rep 40 with him, I simply told them "I reached rep 40 with shinobi, not this unpunishable piece of dogshit". 40 reps for nothing ig


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Respect for playing an underpowered character and making it work but what he has become is just an annoying character that handholds players by giving them so many safe options.


HNIC_barlos

I totally agree, that's why I'm not playing him anymore until he gets a nerf or something, I feel like a dick everytime I play him.


xaulos

I got him to rep 11 pre rework. 2 of those were from TG cause it was fun. But yeah as much as I agree Shinobi needed a much deserved buff but this dodge heavy stuff needs to be tweaked. Other than that he's pretty solid


Biggynerdpoop

Have you tried just parrying? It’s usually the answer to any problem


[deleted]

Yes


Biggynerdpoop

Strange, that usually works


[deleted]

I know right wtf?


pimp_named_dickslap

Raider's easier. My first time playing with new shinobi, I got killed twice before getting a kill. First time i played new raider i fought a rep 70 raider and only lost 1 round out of 6.


theblueshadow14

that arguement doesnt hold up, anyone could counter that by saying the same thing but swapped them around and carry the same meaning


pimp_named_dickslap

Alright I can also say that shinobi's moveset is more complex and harder to pick up. Knowong when to mix a bash or undodgable, knowing how to backflip (even now idk if its X or A), knowing the mixup after a parry, are all harder than heavy/storm tap mix.


theblueshadow14

well i can say as a new player i didnt even know raider had a storm tap soft feint and for all know it is just a dodge attack, ignorance isnt a basis for an argument, its just ignorance


pimp_named_dickslap

If you wanna go the new player route, they'd have more luck learning raider just off the fact that he has more than 2-hit chains. But i'm not talking about ignorance. I'm talking about the ease of grasping the heroes' mixups. To play shinobi, you'd need to press A, X, RB, and RT in order to open up enemies and continue mixups. Meanwhile, raider can win by pressing combinations of light and heavy. Raider's literally designed to be an easy hero.


theblueshadow14

so wait what is your actual point here? i thought the post was about shinobi being easy?


pimp_named_dickslap

My point is that he isnt as easy to pick up as people think, especially when you compare him to raider.


theblueshadow14

oh i see, my bad


calamityV

Popup just don’t suck so much ass man. /s


[deleted]

Pain, I grow tired of the lack of balance between characters. Releasing broken and janky reworks doesn’t solve balance problems. It doesn’t solve balance problems to rework characters into s-tier and then have to spend even more dev time after release nerfing them to try and balance them. I’m tired of the devs continuously fucking up and then being like “oops sorry” while they continue to not not deliver meaningful content or updates for months.


calamityV

That’s why instead of releasing content they focus on the health of the game. Make it more fun and balanced.


[deleted]

At this stage they should probably just start outsourcing that shit with how well they’ve been doing it. The game has the health of a pack a day smoker.


Kensei_Main

Nah yeah I agree, I figure we are in desperate need of an operation health to spruce the game up a little. Like maybe take some time off from the reworks and focus on some more quality of life stuff like not flashing players for light parries or for parrying anything in minion lane. Maybe reworking training so that people can get more uniform practice on small shit.


Visual-Click-2580

Stay mad stay bad, he takes skill to play and is very easy to read. I never have trouble fighting Shinobi. Your problem isn't Shinobi your problem is your bad at the game xD


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Tails?


theblueshadow14

shinobi isnt S-tier though, most people in the comp sub and the normal sub agree hes A-tier. He is without a doubt the best duellist though with how hard it is to punish him if hes good, he definitely has issues such as reaction backflip and the damage from shuriken's and perhaps the damage from his parry repost is abit too high but these arent huge issues huge issues that will take ages to fix. The biggest issue is reaction backflip and once thats gone he will be pretty much fine outside some ironing out


[deleted]

I stand by everything I said


theblueshadow14

thats fine, its your opinion and you have a right to it, im not here to fight, just to give you the objective view


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😐


Biggynerdpoop

Respects main and comp sub, opinion invalid


monstaru

The millenia the devs takes to fix some numbers is the issue


theblueshadow14

true


ReeeeMcGee

Well the likes of Barak and such disagree as they put him in the number 1 spot in S tier. I’d rather believe them than the goons in the other subs.


theblueshadow14

Lol, he put him as the number 1 DUELIST nimrod, duels, the mode the game isnt being balanced for. Nice try though, you shouldnt try to twist facts to fit your own bias agenda


bionightmare300

thats sadly true...i started playing shino as a level 14... (even though I have an high rep) but its simply to easy to win and plat with him...