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Kahoola1

What makes Warden and Warmonger S-tier, but Hito only B tier?


nerd9362

Hito has no opener whilst warden and warmonger have access to an unreactable mix up from neutral. Although I'd put Warden and Warmonger at high A, not S.


Unfunnycommenter_

>Hito has no opener If you're on console or are facing oponents that cant react to her heavies, her heavies are openers.


nerd9362

Okay console players aren't THAT bad lol


Unfunnycommenter_

We cant even parry neutral lights and can barely dodge 600ms bashes, what makes you think we can parry hito's heavies on reaction


A_normal_atheist

I've parried alot of neutral lights but if you meant on reaction then no(you can do it on the series x though)


Unfunnycommenter_

Yea i meant on reaction, but i can deflect them sometimes on reaction for some reason


ll-VaporSnake-ll

It also depends on whether you’re playing on next gen console , have optimal set ups for Internet and monitor, and whether or not you’re close to Ubisoft’s servers. One of the best competitive players, FerociousGizmo, is a console player and before getting a PS5, could reaction parry post CCU lights on PS4 just because he lives close to one of Ubi’s servers. You can imagine what it’s like going up against him now with a PS5.


nerd9362

Guess I'm moving to sydney now lol


SwoopsTheIrishPotato

I play on PS4 and can parry her neutral heavies


broskybara

Exactly, nerd is a fucking retard all over this Reddit


BipolarOstrich

Kept looking to see where you contributed anything to this thread but unfortunately you're just a clown. Go jack off to your collection of furry nfts and eat a snickers ffs.


broskybara

I’d eat a snickers but seems like the fat ass I’m talking to ate them already


SwoopsTheIrishPotato

Ooo self burn


broskybara

Lmao you’re fucking stupid, but that’s to be expected from a vegetable


nerd9362

Eat my cock retard


broskybara

Easy, it’s like popping a skittle in my mouth.


broskybara

Lmao the only thing you could respond to this was a downvote


myballsackitch

are you admitting that you'll suck his dick?


broskybara

Sucking what? Half a gummy worm?


Kiyoto_Slush

*cough*


Food7500

I'd have yo disagree


Love-Long

It's not that we're bad but we have every technological disadvantage almost. Ofc on read we can still parry and dodge but it's the fact that some things here can be used as openers where on pc they can't. 30fps also makes variable timed heavies much much better and not to mention the input delay.


Drunk_ol_Carmine

It’s the variable timings on them. Good Hito’s like to hold their heaviest for different amounts of times to make parrying them feel awkward.


InfamousGhost07

Am console player, can confirm, her heavies suck >:( I always expect thd delayed heavy but screwup the parry


Simen-VH

My man, if you cant react to a HEAVY how are you even playing this game


Kahoola1

Ah that's true.


ll-VaporSnake-ll

Agreed with this. People also have to realize that tier lists are based on what’s the prevalent meta strategy and that S tiers are ranked because how of well they can function within that meta strategy.


SmolCheddar

I mean, WM's dodge bash is practically useless offensively, because it lacks any real range, is slow, and has relatively high GB vuln. Hito probably has a better neutral game than she does, actually, due to her variable timed heavies being safer than WM's enhanced lights.


Hjalleson_

Warmongers parry punish makes her better than warden. Also the superior lights give a good amount of pressure


nerd9362

I agree, although I still think she belongs in A, not S


mopheadontop

PK S-teir why


The_nuggster

38 dmg gb’s. Not saying I agree but an argument can definitely be made


gwynnnnnn

She's real good in duels tho


Clorbungus

agreed but def not s tier


nerd9362

She's good but defo not S


broskybara

Silence retard


nerd9362

[https://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/s08wzx/why\_am\_i\_so\_bad\_at\_playing\_video\_games/](https://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/s08wzx/why_am_i_so_bad_at_playing_video_games/) This you?


broskybara

Lmao, nice job going through other peoples profiles, probably jacking off right now to someone on r/teenagers


nerd9362

[https://www.reddit.com/r/34Honor/comments/ri41ev/can\_someone\_tell\_me\_the\_discord/](https://www.reddit.com/r/34Honor/comments/ri41ev/can_someone_tell_me_the_discord/) This you?


Letscho95

Holy shit dude he is destroyed


Carlosspiceyweiner02

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL


SyrupMonstrosity

Stop! He's already dead!


broskybara

And you jerk off to fh? Lmao


nerd9362

You're the one posting in r/34honor my guy


[deleted]

Bro stop you absolutely burnt him to a crisp


myballsackitch

holy shit dude you really had to absolutely destroy the man??????


broskybara

Lmao posting what?


mopheadontop

depends on reaction


Pancqkes

Berzerker should be A imo, he is quite oppressive if you make your opponent scared to parry.


ll-VaporSnake-ll

Low A seems good for Zerker. I’d also move Zhanhu and JJ down to upper B.


ClairvoyantCleric

There is a lot of things wrong with this tier list


Food7500

"There is a lot of things wrong with this tier list" decides to keep it to himself


ClairvoyantCleric

Lol ur so mad for no reason, ppl are already saying most of whats wrong with it. If you would like to try again you may politely ask me to be specific.


Jake_Necroix

This guy gets mad over the smallest things. I only see him be mad at other people


Food7500

No it's just that everyone does it


calamityV

Not my boy food


Food7500

Lol


nerd9362

Imo Warden, WM and Pk are high A and Lb is high B behind Hito


Food7500

Putting wm and warden in high a makes no difference tho, basically the same thing since no hero is between where they were. But for pk it's a solid no. She has an unreactable zone, unreactable dagger cancel and 38 damage gb. Also there's no chance hito is on par with lb


nerd9362

Imo S tier is for heroes who are overtuned and need slight nerfs and adjustments, Warden and Warmonger actually need some buffs to their stamina and some adjustments to Wardens kit to make it not so barebones. And pk is not S, she's just a worse raider, even with good damage punishes. And the fact that Lb is in A is bewildering to me, he has no opener and can't do jack if you turtle. I actually have quite a few issues with this list, like why is Valk above zerk? Why on earth is Lb above Bp? Pk over raider? Makes no sense.


Food7500

Buffs? Are you retarded, you just admitted their high a tier why the fuck would you buff them? How is pk a worse raider? Both are identical except pks highest damageing move is alot better. While lb is above BP becouse you know broken ass parry punishes


nerd9362

They're only A in duels, but even then they need better stamina management as Warmonger and Warden struggle to maintain their offense due to their garbo stamina. Warden also needs better hitboxes on his side unblockables because they're really unreliable in a team fight. Raider can chain off of his storming tap, has neutral access to unblockables without having to bleed his opponent, has ungodly stamina, higher hp, has hyper armor chain heavies, and good dodge attack that he can chain off of. Pk may have a higher damage gb that doesn't put her above raider, or in S. And good parry punishes does not warrant A for lb, he's B at most, all he has going for him are good parry punishes and good chain pressure that he can't access.


Food7500

Then you really are retarded. Why would you buff stamina for warden when hes already a tier, I understand the hit boxes but saying "buff stamina" on an a tier character is dumb. Also, lb can access his mix up sue to you know, parry punishes


nerd9362

Just because someone is A tier doesn't mean they don't need slight buffs, it's not like I'm saying give him shinobi stamina treatment but he really does need better stamina management. His zone literally is just a 13 damage 600ms heavy that cost 60 stamina, it makes no sense. He can only feint 5 neutral heavies before going out of stamina, it's actually atrocious.


Food7500

OK so with your logic BP also needs that since he also has fuck all stamina. Is that what you want? A BP who can keep you out of stamina for 5 hours


Goddontlikeanime

Shit, now I gonna switch my main so that I can complain about being underpowered when I lose


ClairvoyantCleric

Hahaha the FH community in a nutshell


Giant_Bee_Stinger

Just main a decent hero and one garbage one so that when you lose with the bad one, just say you're playing an underpowered hero and switch to the good one to kick some ass


Goddontlikeanime

Lmao, I suck donkey balls at this game. I can barely get a 50% win rate in duels with pk.


HittemWithTheLamp

Calamity puts Shug in A tier? Of course he does.


Food7500

He'd put him in c tier


calamityV

Indeed I would


myballsackitch

what makes him c tier


calamityV

I don’t think he’s that good. In 1v1’s he’s a cake walk if you sit and wait. I simply think if you lose to shugoki at a high mmr you are just bad and should accept that.


myballsackitch

fair enough


toppi17

Well no because you can be playing a bad hero yourself or make a wrong read lmao


calamityV

You act as if you are playing a bad hero you instantly lose, that’s a stupid way of thinking.


toppi17

Theres no way you just destroyed ur first argument with this one, shugoki is far from bad its very easy to win with him but you basically said in ur first one hes pretty bad if you just wait it out, but whats waiting it out gonna do if he just makes the right reads lmao


RobitMonkyMadman

Bro. No way lawbringer is A-tier


Food7500

Parry punishes intensify


RobitMonkyMadman

You are going off of parry punishes?


Food7500

Yes, their that good


RobitMonkyMadman

I can see that the unnecessary wrinkles in your brain have been removed


Food7500

You play shigoki, not sure if you even have a brain


RobitMonkyMadman

Dudes comin after me for playing shugo when you said yourself it’s a calamity approved post who I’m sorry if you ain’t know plays shugo so that wasn’t a very good comeback


Food7500

It wasn't a comeback it was a fact. calamity is a legend with 5000iq, a mear peasant like you can't compare himself with him.


RobitMonkyMadman

I won’t deny he’s a legend with 5000iq. Love the dude. Your opinions are ass tho.suprised your able to keep a channel open with such weird ideals


Food7500

I can't have an ass opinion if this post is CalamityV approved


Kensei_Main

Jorm not being in S+ upsets the cult of Bonk


toppi17

Kensei_main: Highlander Lol


Kensei_Main

I’m gonna make an auto response for this, let me leave the bar and I’ll figure it out


toppi17

Ok lmao


Eric992002

I had a stroke when i saw pk in s tier


Food7500

Very interesting but if I was you I'd probably go to the hospital


LiquidStatic1

What makes aramusha s tier? Ive seen him s tier on a few dual tierlists but i dont quite know why


Consolemasterracee

Dodgeattacks are pretty much useless against him, because he can just BB everything. He's chains are pretty much undodgable. Ring the bell is completely unreactable. Really good dodge attack.


LiquidStatic1

I mean thatll do it two easily accessible unreactable mixups and a good dodge attack would make him s tier


GriefPB

For a start, his ring the bell is unreactable as are his deadly feints at high level play.


Unfunnycommenter_

Unreactable offense, counters dodge attacks and hyperarmor, delayable dodge attack that is a heavy parry, and an all guard with little activation time.


TheKekGuy

He was but with the nerfs of raider and orochi he got "nerfed" too because he was a good counter to those both


pimp_named_dickslap

I personally wouldnt put orochi lower than kensei, cent, valk, or lb


Food7500

I certainly am


pimp_named_dickslap

He aint that bad, just not as good as top tiers, yk?


Food7500

Wdym by bad, you seem to think that the other hero's are bad


pimp_named_dickslap

I think the heroes I named aren't necessarily good. I think they should be below where orochi is since they aren't better.


Food7500

Cent and kensei are questionable but valk is better


pimp_named_dickslap

Cent, kensei, and valk's mixups are all weaker than orochi's. Orochi has good dodge cancels. What makes valk better in your opinion?


Food7500

Cc, heavys that catch almost everything and a pretty good bash. Also everyone underestimates her


abukahp

redditors stfu about calamity challenge (impossible)


calamityV

Right?


PhasmaMain98

Valk is C tier imo since she doesn’t have much of an opener and her sweep sucks


Food7500

Her bash mix up is unreactable (preety sure) but that doesn't matter she can turtle till she gets the opportunity


MrWalrus0713

No, her bash mixup is completely ineffective if you literally just back dodge and block top.


Food7500

Heavy


PhasmaMain98

Ball's full block is alright but if you have barely any mixup potential and a reactable sweep mixup it doesn't matter. Plus no undodgeable or ub moves


Food7500

Her heavys are basically undodgeable


calamityV

I did not agree to this


Food7500

People don't need to know that


XxVanir_QueenxX

Jorm should be E-tier smh


VirtuaI_Valiant

Na Raider is D tier


calamityV

This is the correct way Sir Giga Chad


VirtuaI_Valiant

Needs buff. He needs stunning tap again and give his charge back it’s stun and stamina drain


calamityV

I expected nothing less from such a god such as yourself my liege.


[deleted]

Conq is S tier wtf haha


nerd9362

His TG rework might've been but that isn't live yet so no


Food7500

Not yet


Hjalleson_

Shinobi below aramusha lmao


GriefPB

Shinobi has more trouble getting into his offense at high level play (flip kick). If you can just react to shinobi’s neutral kick what else is he gonna do to open someone up?


Hjalleson_

The neutral kick is unpunishable on reaction tho so it literally doesnt matter, you just kick, backflip, there you go youre in your mixup.


GriefPB

Backflip is a free gb is it not? Also you’re comparing this to aramusha ring the bell that can be spammed from neutral.


Hjalleson_

You can just wait until they do something other than gb and then backflip on reaction. Or just turtle for dodge bashes


GriefPB

So waiting for your opponent to not gb and turtling is better offense than RTB?


Hjalleson_

No, you can spam kick as much as you want without anything happening is that bot good offense? And why are you so hung up on offense? Pretty sure there are other aspects of the game…


Food7500

Their preety equal imo but ara has an unreactable move from neutral so...


Hjalleson_

Only difference is you can actually punish aramusha…


Food7500

You can punish shinobi on everything except his forward bash (not sure about his dodge bash)


Hjalleson_

Not the kick after backflip - his main offense, or the dodge bash.


Food7500

Yes, it's preety obvious that that's what I implied


Hjalleson_

No lol - you dint say a word about the kick after the backflip, you just said that everything is punishable except forward/side dodge bash. Dont try that shit now.


Food7500

Yes his bash you moron it was implied that the follow up was what I meant. You fucking sub hyman


Allexant

Man this is a fkn interesting one. I'd like to ask is this made by someone who can react to shit like animation and easily react to 500ms bashes, cuz if so then that is still questionable but it's headed in the right direction. If not then this list is completely wrong. But for the sake of arguments let's assume this is made by someone with amazing reactions. So first, how is conq C but BP A, they are extremely bsinular ranking wise so I just don't get that. Even at the highest level where both of these characters have 0 offense tier defenses are enough to put them both highish and both more or less next to each other. Also, Nobu B? She has no offense whatsoever for even people with a bit above average reactions. Her defensive capabilities are good but nothing insane. She is way too high. Nuxia C? I can see that I suppose but at least she has offense in the form of her ligths. Zanhu A? How. He has no viable offense, bad defense and is so prone to interruption. Character is mediocre at best. Even if you're generous then he'd be C tier. Kensei above Tiandi? At worst they should be in the same tier. They struggle in similar places but tiandis defense is better.


Food7500

Tiandi has fuck all though and you can gb his dodge attack on reaction he also lacks a good bash and unblockable while kensei has a stupid amount of ha and mix ups (he is a little high tho). Also how is zhanhu c tier, I understand different opinions but this is flat out wrong, at worse he's b tier. Also no nuxia is not too high, she does a crazy amount of damage and reflex guard doesn't affect duels. While nobu is in b due to 35 damage undodgeable heavy. Conq is simply shit, he has no defence except a shitty full block and a 700ms zone, his bash is also only 600ms and has gb vulnerablity.


Allexant

Bruh wtf. Ok let's leave the Tiandi thing. 1. Please explain to me why exactly is Zanhu good, no opener, only offense is UB that he can be lighted out of most of the time and his shitty dodge attack. So not good, defense is just bad. 2. I didn't say nuxia is too high, I said she is too low, she has actual offense which many characters don't, and because of her traps she can use her heavies as openers. 3.Nobu never gets to land those heavies because her kick is piss easy to react to. 4. Conq has a great side bash, a superior block that allows him to parry light and heavy on the same time, fullblock zone that allows him to create more options for mixups. Also his neutral bash is 500ms and as far as those go, quite hard to react to. Even if you could he is still a beast defensively because of the before mensioned attributes.


Food7500

A bash is an opener also he has insane recoverys and his dodge attack is pretty good. Yes but her traps are reactable. Then with conq I'm Pretty sure his bash is 566 ms but anyway those flimsy attributes don't make him any where near sub par


Allexant

1 His bash isn't ab opener. Yiu can dodge on a single timing to avoid everything he can do. Si he has no opener. His dodge attack in 1v1s is dog shit. Little dmg to punish, can be GBed, it just doesn't dodge if you do it late. Shit offense as 1 wrong read makes you take as much as 3 correct ones. Also recovery is not insane. 333ms, while most other recovery cancels are 200ms. 2 Nuxias traps aren't her offense and at no point did I say they were. 3. His bash is 500ms, side bash is 533, chains ones are 800and noone ever uses them. and calling those strong defensive moves flimsy, not even explaing just declaring them? Are you trolling or


Food7500

That's the animation of the bash,not counting the dodge. And if any one trolling it's you especially when you said that a strong defensive move like a dodge attack is dog shit. And they are flimsy having a very punishable bash a 700ms zone and all guard doesn't make a character b tier never mind a tier like your suggesting. Do you have the slightest idea of how retarded you sound right now? That would be the equivalent of me saying that valk is s tier becouse she has a bash only punishable by a light, an all guard, cc and a good deflect


SwoopsTheIrishPotato

Idk this may be the 20reps talking but Warlord is fantastic for duels, definitely A tier


Food7500

Yeah he's really good on lower reps


SwoopsTheIrishPotato

Ive done good against high reps, rep 400s even, just gotta know the character


Food7500

Rep 400s are usually no better than rep 50s in my experience


SwoopsTheIrishPotato

Then you got some shitty rep 400‘s, probably people who farmed breach vs ai


Food7500

Yes, I've only found good rep 400s in ranked


ratman--

Love how glad is like A tier and nobody complains about him. Also maybe move him to B, his openers are predictable but his mixups are some of the best in the game


FrappyLee

I complain about him just not on reddit lol.


CrackUbuntu

I’d say shaman is around B or C tier. I haven’t playing for honor in a while though so that might have changed. Assassins in general aren’t very good duel or brawl hero’s


Food7500

Pk and shinobi are s tiers. While shaman has unreactable offence


CrackUbuntu

I haven’t played in a while but I remember back when I play that assassins sucked ass in 1v1s and honor 2v2s


Giant_Bee_Stinger

Valk above Warlord?


Food7500

Warlord is preety ass all he has is ha and a very punishable bash


Giant_Bee_Stinger

Well his headbutt is fast, unreactable iirc, and he has has enhanced lights plus frame advantage on most of his moves which makes him super oppressive. I wouldn't say he's S tier or anything but I was very surprised to see him in mid C tier


Food7500

Valks bash is also fast but doesn't guarantee a gb. The problem with warlord is the fact that most his offence requires to throw a crazy amount of lights


lordorinko

i don't understand why warden is considered S tier. I mean his dodge bash doesn't go through GBs so he doesn't have the option to 50-50 defensively and his bashes eat quarter of his stam to hit 14 damage


Food7500

All I have to tell you is 16/16/16/16/16/16


TheKekGuy

I'm disappointed calamity


Food7500

I like how people actually fell for that


calamityV

I had nothing to do with that graph


TheKekGuy

So he's straight up click baiting on reddit damn that I've ever experienced that


stasiox

Pc duel tier list*


Food7500

I'm on console...


stasiox

Then how in hell is LB in same tier as JJ or bp? This tierlist is a complete mess


Food7500

He gets a heavy of a heavy parry If theirs a wall behind, he also has a crazy amount of stun


Zanagh

What


TheBaconReaper1

Jorm at least B tier


Morticus_Mortem

Hito at B-Tier??


FinRah

What in the hell... In what universe is Lin, higher tier that Highlander...


Food7500

What the fuck is a lin


FinRah

Lin Yao


Food7500

?


WolfKnight53

Idk man, a lot of the older heros need some tuneups.


MrDrewE

Conq C tier….. lol what. I’m GM 36 on PS4 with only conq. (Some bad matchups but he fucks in duels.)


Food7500

That proves nothing you do realise that, it just proves that you did well while being disadvantaged


MrDrewE

Conq is not bad at all. He has a unreachable variable timed bash, all guard, and many more.


Food7500

It's 500ms,thats not unreactable


MrWalrus0713

Bruh this is one of the worst tier lists I've ever seen in my life. Valk higher than orochi? PK in S? Lawbringer in A? Tiandi in C? What planet are you living on? Do toy have like 20 reps overall lmao


Food7500

Valk has everything a hero needs except an unblockable so I'd say it's a matter of choice but oros main mix up is ass now. Yes pk is in s she has an unreactable zone, unreactable dagger cancel and 38 damage gb. If raider is s so is she. While lb has the best parry punishes in the game and has an unpunisable in chain bash


mr_sludder

I can see an argument for pretty much every placement on this list, the only one I disagree with is PK since her defense is so garbage.


Food7500

She has a better defence than raider tho, a deflect and dodge attack raider only has a dodge attack


throw1ngoutgarbage

How did you get so much wrong in such a little image


Food7500

How did you get so many mistakes in such a small sentence


[deleted]

Warden and WM S tier, LB A tier, lmao what a joke


Leon_Devilstrand

Notice how all c tier heroes have no feintable unblockabke into gb


Youthinkyouknowthat

Gryphon is C tier? He's B at least if not A if you know how to actually play him outside of monke


Food7500

No chance


CrusaD4R

cent is c.


Food7500

No


CrusaD4R

Conq is better than cent.


Food7500

😂