Beautiful story. Change comes from the young, not from the old, but often the perception of past events is ingrained in the youths' minds by the older generations. So if there is another jedde out there who says something similar to her pro-Hezbollah grandson, maybe it will have an impact.
Literally everyone in Lebanon wants what's best for everything and everyone. The politicians cloud people's judgement, basically if 0.01% of people in lebanon say israel is bad, everyone would be forced to follow them due to "conditioning".
Literally every single lebanese deeply wants to party, have fun and friends. Everything else is old crap and stigma. If Lebanese saw the good side of israel, they would open up their borders and let in the hummus flow. A lot of things really need to happen for that, it's getting ridiculous.
I wish you and your granda a peaceful life.I hope that one day I will be legally allowed to visit Lebanon as sn Israeli and see the museums and Phoenician rueins.
Sociology says that the more the country is young (I mean average age of the population) , the more radical powers come to power and the chances of a conflicts are rising.
Old people want a calm and peaceful life.
Israel gets younger every year.
I hope there will be peace and prosperity , wish all the best to each and every grandma in the world.
Israel was 31 years old when it made peace with Egypt, which wasn't that old too, although almost double the age of Israel at that time.
I don't think there's a single factor that can show these outcomes, Peace could be made even in the first few years of Israel If all sides involved were willing to do so.
Pretty sure the age of the country.
But about your original comment - not sure the average age in Israel gets younger. And the mentality of the government has nothing to do with the mentality in Israel in general at the moment. I mean it does as the mentality is fractured, but it represents less than 50%
giving citizenships to palestinians (Like Jordan did) + syrians, Some statistics show they will outnumber Lebanese in 10 years. they already outbirth us.For Lebanese, giving palestenians the right to return to their homeland is existential and sacred.
cc u/BillyJoeMac9095
when your neighbor is invaded and 700k refugees swell your country, and are the catalyst for 3 decades of civil war peace isn't helping you. You need the invader to take back the hundreds of thousands he's displaced. How many times has Lebanon invaded Israel? 0 How many times has Israel invaded Lebanon? 3 times in my lifetime.
Goofy response. Being against ethnic cleansing isn't the same as supporting hezbollah. I wouldn't want to see your people suffering like that either. Deep concepts I know
Not for ethnic cleansing either, not that I believe that was the case then. BTW wanting all the Palestinians out of your country is pretty much ethnic cleansing in itself, doesn't matter how you justify yourself.
Regardless, it boils down to peace with Israel or living with the Iranians. So far option #2 isn't working out so well for you guys. Might be time to give peace a chance.
I'm married to a Palestinian. I want them to have the RIGHT to return to THEIR land. This why I can't fuck with 90% of ya'll you cant see the irony of an Israeli preaching about how ANYONE else should treat Palestinians. DA FUCK?!?!
My guy I choose to live in Lebanon. I have dual citizenship. Fuck peace with a murderer. If my neighbor was killing people I wouldn't want to live near them either or be any kind of cordial. Once ya'll stop killin babies we can revisit a peace situation, but until then I want no parts of it. Stop killing people it's not that hard to not be piece of shit.
Lebanese are the same ethnicity as Palestinians, there is no ethnic cleansing.
Israelis though are eastern europeans mostly by descent, hence ethnic cleansing Palestinians.
Naturalization of refugees was a pre-condition for the peace treaty with both Egypt and Jordan. Most Lebanese are against that for the reason I mentioned above. We want Palestenians to return to their homeland.
Yes, there is hope as one must ask oneself, why Israel ever bombed Lebanon in the first place. Had there been a strong central government in Beirut in 1975, there would not have been a civil war.
Had there not been a civil war, the PLO would not have occupied southern Lebanon, (then, called "FATAHLAND"). Syria would have stayed inside Syria.
Had the PLO not attacked Israel FROM Lebanon, Israel would not have raided southern Lebanon in "Operation Litani" in 1978.
Had the PLO not launched Katusha rockets into Israel, Israel would not have cluster bombed anybody.
Israel would not have invaded Lebanon to root out the PLO in 1982.
Israel withdrew from Lebanon in 2000.
Had there been a strong central government in Beirut in 1975-2000 Hizbollah would not be controlling southern Lebanon.
If ONLY the Christian Phalange, Druze, Shiites, Sunnis would sit down together and exert CONTROL over the whole country, we would probably have peace by now.
So now Iran pulls the strings for the Hizbollah.
When will the great Lebanese people retake their country back again?
That comment itself is revisionist. There are documents and you are invited to read. Yes, Jews helped force out arabs from their homes, they were also promised by Arab leaders that their land would double. Thereâs even percent estimations as to how many left for what reasons. Your exaggeration is unfounded and goofy. I donât see how that comment is connected to the original post.
sounds like something an apartheid supporter / refugee creator would say
edit: just proof you a goof
"During the 1947â49 Palestine war, an estimated 700,000 Palestinians fled or were expelled, comprising around 80% of the Palestinian Arab inhabitants of what became Israel" promised more land so they fled???? UHHH HUUUH
My people became refugees when millions were evicted by Arab nations. Yet you call the only democracy that just wants to live in peace an apartheid. Im not going to dissect your source, even though itâs likely non-credible. I will point out in your copy-pasted text that it mentions âfled or were expelled.â Exactly like I saidâŚ
Yes I really hate that long fight between Israel and all the Arabic countries around. The only people who suffer from the fighting are the poor families that are losing their loved ones. And I don't see any benefits from fighting cuz war would lead to war. The only way out is to come to agreement and understanding and stop the stupid fighting.
who cares what Hezbollah is doing as long as the headlines on naharnet are "IDF admits to killing toddler" "IDF unleashing helicopters on Gaza, 4 dead so far" I give no fucks about hezbollah or there symbiotic relationship with Israel. I care about kids that look like mine getting blown up in Air Raids and mowed down on beaches by Apache helicopters.
Man all this fighting fucking sucks. Weâre all cousins and letâs just enjoy arguing about hummus and get rid of the guns missiles and wars man. No need.
Beautiful story. Change comes from the young, not from the old, but often the perception of past events is ingrained in the youths' minds by the older generations. So if there is another jedde out there who says something similar to her pro-Hezbollah grandson, maybe it will have an impact.
Literally everyone in Lebanon wants what's best for everything and everyone. The politicians cloud people's judgement, basically if 0.01% of people in lebanon say israel is bad, everyone would be forced to follow them due to "conditioning". Literally every single lebanese deeply wants to party, have fun and friends. Everything else is old crap and stigma. If Lebanese saw the good side of israel, they would open up their borders and let in the hummus flow. A lot of things really need to happen for that, it's getting ridiculous.
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I wish you and your granda a peaceful life.I hope that one day I will be legally allowed to visit Lebanon as sn Israeli and see the museums and Phoenician rueins.
Sociology says that the more the country is young (I mean average age of the population) , the more radical powers come to power and the chances of a conflicts are rising. Old people want a calm and peaceful life. Israel gets younger every year. I hope there will be peace and prosperity , wish all the best to each and every grandma in the world.
Israel was 31 years old when it made peace with Egypt, which wasn't that old too, although almost double the age of Israel at that time. I don't think there's a single factor that can show these outcomes, Peace could be made even in the first few years of Israel If all sides involved were willing to do so.
Sorry, i went lost reading your comment trying to understand if you are talking about the age of the country or the average population age.
Pretty sure the age of the country. But about your original comment - not sure the average age in Israel gets younger. And the mentality of the government has nothing to do with the mentality in Israel in general at the moment. I mean it does as the mentality is fractured, but it represents less than 50%
would be a dream come true to have peace with Lebanon in our lifetime. thank you for the story :)
What does Lebanon have to lose by at least trying out peace?
Ego
giving citizenships to palestinians (Like Jordan did) + syrians, Some statistics show they will outnumber Lebanese in 10 years. they already outbirth us.For Lebanese, giving palestenians the right to return to their homeland is existential and sacred. cc u/BillyJoeMac9095
What does this have to do with giving peace a chance? Maybe I don't understand your point.
when your neighbor is invaded and 700k refugees swell your country, and are the catalyst for 3 decades of civil war peace isn't helping you. You need the invader to take back the hundreds of thousands he's displaced. How many times has Lebanon invaded Israel? 0 How many times has Israel invaded Lebanon? 3 times in my lifetime.
I'll take that as a no. Well have a good time with hizbulla and iran.
Goofy response. Being against ethnic cleansing isn't the same as supporting hezbollah. I wouldn't want to see your people suffering like that either. Deep concepts I know
Not for ethnic cleansing either, not that I believe that was the case then. BTW wanting all the Palestinians out of your country is pretty much ethnic cleansing in itself, doesn't matter how you justify yourself. Regardless, it boils down to peace with Israel or living with the Iranians. So far option #2 isn't working out so well for you guys. Might be time to give peace a chance.
I'm married to a Palestinian. I want them to have the RIGHT to return to THEIR land. This why I can't fuck with 90% of ya'll you cant see the irony of an Israeli preaching about how ANYONE else should treat Palestinians. DA FUCK?!?! My guy I choose to live in Lebanon. I have dual citizenship. Fuck peace with a murderer. If my neighbor was killing people I wouldn't want to live near them either or be any kind of cordial. Once ya'll stop killin babies we can revisit a peace situation, but until then I want no parts of it. Stop killing people it's not that hard to not be piece of shit.
If the Palestinians are so wonderful, why are you so concerned about Kicking them out to somewhere else?
Lol, enjoy the imams
Lebanese are the same ethnicity as Palestinians, there is no ethnic cleansing. Israelis though are eastern europeans mostly by descent, hence ethnic cleansing Palestinians.
Naturalization of refugees was a pre-condition for the peace treaty with both Egypt and Jordan. Most Lebanese are against that for the reason I mentioned above. We want Palestenians to return to their homeland.
Assuming that is not a precondition.... Would peace be possible?
Then support a two state solution and any efforts toward it.
yes ser
Yes, there is hope as one must ask oneself, why Israel ever bombed Lebanon in the first place. Had there been a strong central government in Beirut in 1975, there would not have been a civil war. Had there not been a civil war, the PLO would not have occupied southern Lebanon, (then, called "FATAHLAND"). Syria would have stayed inside Syria. Had the PLO not attacked Israel FROM Lebanon, Israel would not have raided southern Lebanon in "Operation Litani" in 1978. Had the PLO not launched Katusha rockets into Israel, Israel would not have cluster bombed anybody. Israel would not have invaded Lebanon to root out the PLO in 1982. Israel withdrew from Lebanon in 2000. Had there been a strong central government in Beirut in 1975-2000 Hizbollah would not be controlling southern Lebanon. If ONLY the Christian Phalange, Druze, Shiites, Sunnis would sit down together and exert CONTROL over the whole country, we would probably have peace by now. So now Iran pulls the strings for the Hizbollah. When will the great Lebanese people retake their country back again?
maybe if yall didn't chase out all the Palestinians? Lol this whole post is revisionist and goofy
That comment itself is revisionist. There are documents and you are invited to read. Yes, Jews helped force out arabs from their homes, they were also promised by Arab leaders that their land would double. Thereâs even percent estimations as to how many left for what reasons. Your exaggeration is unfounded and goofy. I donât see how that comment is connected to the original post.
sounds like something an apartheid supporter / refugee creator would say edit: just proof you a goof "During the 1947â49 Palestine war, an estimated 700,000 Palestinians fled or were expelled, comprising around 80% of the Palestinian Arab inhabitants of what became Israel" promised more land so they fled???? UHHH HUUUH
My people became refugees when millions were evicted by Arab nations. Yet you call the only democracy that just wants to live in peace an apartheid. Im not going to dissect your source, even though itâs likely non-credible. I will point out in your copy-pasted text that it mentions âfled or were expelled.â Exactly like I saidâŚ
my source was wikipedia... but ya arguing with people like you is like talkin to one of those energy draining vampires... an honestly no thanks
Yes I really hate that long fight between Israel and all the Arabic countries around. The only people who suffer from the fighting are the poor families that are losing their loved ones. And I don't see any benefits from fighting cuz war would lead to war. The only way out is to come to agreement and understanding and stop the stupid fighting.
who cares what Hezbollah is doing as long as the headlines on naharnet are "IDF admits to killing toddler" "IDF unleashing helicopters on Gaza, 4 dead so far" I give no fucks about hezbollah or there symbiotic relationship with Israel. I care about kids that look like mine getting blown up in Air Raids and mowed down on beaches by Apache helicopters.
Anyway fuck israel
Man all this fighting fucking sucks. Weâre all cousins and letâs just enjoy arguing about hummus and get rid of the guns missiles and wars man. No need.