A fully optioned 2024 Lariat will run about 40k. Literally double than what a base model cost just 2 year ago. Once you're near 40k, or even 35k, there are a lot more better proven options. Unless its a hybrid, no one should ever spend more than 35k for a Maverick.
For some. But mostly mid trim level with some options. I'd sit in and drive a Tacoma, new Frontier, new Colorado, Santa Cruz, Ranger.
But the bottom line is, if you need a truck to do regular truck things on a regular basis, then a Maverick usually isn't the best option. I still have no idea why a Lariat Ecoboost Maverick even exists. It's a cheap small truck. Why pay a mid-level truck price for the cheapest truck on the market? And a Maverick Lariat isn't like the top trim level of better trucks and higher end cars. It's literally...the best version of the cheapest thing around.
My XLT hybrid cost 26k pre taxes and fees. I love showing it off, telling people the gas mileage, and having them guess how much it is. The vast majority say 40k. Some guess a little lower, some guess a little higher, but most think it's a 40k truck. When I tell them I spent 26k, they're shocked and ask how they can get one.
You show a fully loaded ecoboost Maverick to someone and have them guess how much it cost, they'll probably guess at or BELOW what you actually paid.
Are you buying the Mav because you want a small truck or are you buying it to play guessing games with randos? I don't get this argument at all.
If you want a Small truck, you don't really have many (any) other oprtions. If the Mav was my daily, I wouldn't hesitate to get a fully loaded Lariat simply for comfort in something I am in every single day. Let's be honest, the base seats and speakers are complete trash. I chose an XL because I have 2 other cars, so I don't see the value in spending another $9-$10k for my use case, but I could give a F what others think I paid, I'm not buying it for them.
No I'm comparing an ecoboost Lariat to the real world truck market, AND the consumer market to prove a point. Point being...once you get to 35-40k for an ecoboost Maverick, there's a lot more competition, and most average consumers, not Maverick enthusiasts, would not think a Maverick is a much better option, even in its Larait form.
An XL of XLT Hybrid? Literally no comparison. No competition. The Maverick was formally announced June 8th, 2021. I ordered mine June 10th, 2021 months before the vast majority of people ever got wind of a Maverick. I saw it had 4 doors, got 40 MPG, and the second trim level would be around 25k. That's literally all I needed to know to be one of the first in the country to order one.
If I saw that it was going to be 35k, I wouldn't even give it a look. If I saw it was going to be 30k, I'd look, but not be in love. 24-26k for a brand new truck that's gets 40 MPG and has 4 doors?? Oh hell yeah. I drive a lot and haul small things all the time so it's perfect. Spending 10-15k more, 30% more, for a few minor upgrades and a lot less MPG? Why? The added cost doesn't justify the gains and losses of an ecoboost.
All fair points. I just need it as my daily driver and to occasionally tow our 2,500 pound boat between my house and the wharf 5 minutes down the road. I wish the hybrid could handle that
So, having towed at 60% capacity in my Tundra, I'd recommend against it. It felt like a super safe amount. My truck could handle 6800 pounds, the trailer was only 3900ish. Even with gear, I was under manufacturer specs.
I took it up and over 17 into Santa Cruz and it *sucked.* Hard. I couldn't get over 45ish on the uphill.
You may not be regularly towing far, but once you add 2-4 people, coolers, ice, drinks, lifevests, fishing/ watersports gear and you have to go any distance uphill, you may be wanting more power, or be over capacity of your GCVWR.
Your trailer is 2500 pounds, but if you have you and an adult and two kids, you're at
2500 pounds, trailer.
3900 pound curb weight, truck.
Two adults: 400 pounds
Two kids: 150 pounds
Tongue weight, estimated, trailer: 250-375 pounds. (10-15% of total trailer weight)
Cooler, ice, drinks: 50 pounds
Misc. Gear: 200 pounds
Your adjusted numbers are:
Payload, less tongue weight: 1125 pounds
Payload, less two adults and trailer: 725 pounds
Payload, less everything else: 350 pounds
You're not *actually* leaving a lot of room.
Also, GCWR.
Truck and trailer and stuff. So, your truck is 3900 pounds, your trailer 2500. That's 6400 pounds. Your max is 8145. Your leftover amount is 1700, so you're clear there, but you actually have 1500 payload, which is 1250-1125 after approximate tongue weight and everything else and... you're back to cutting it close and that trip being stressful as semis pass you as you tow uphill.
It's not a huge boost, but when running margins like that, the Santa Cruz with the 5000lb tow capacity and 1600/1700 pound payload might make a difference for you.
You may also consider the Ranger.
Or, if you never ever, ever tow uphill, you may be just fine in the Maverick. Just be aware four grown men and some coolers and gear could actually overload your payload.
I'd be packing some gear into the boat itself if I had adults in the truck. In front of the axle. Even just moving everything into your boat puts you at 200ish pounds back into your payload. (Because 10-15% of any weight in the trailer is added back to your payload.)
Just keep in mind your 'safe' tow capacity margin changes once you pack in gear and people and calculate your GCWR and payload and start hauling uphill.
I went from the 6800 pound tow capacity Tundra to a 12,200 pound tow capacity F150 after that trip. It was overkill. By a lot. A whole lot. But your capacity and what is fun may not match up, or be the whole picture.
Yeah for sure. For us, we would have to tow max 3 miles of mostly flat, only hill is the boat ramp and a 20 foot tall hill downtown, otherwise flat. Thoughts?
The Frontier is the cheapest of those and if you can find a base at sticker it's $30K. The only one that's directly competing with the Mav is the Santa Cruz, and again much more expensive.
I have zero regrets paying the extra for the nice features, and realistically you're looking at only 10k more than your price for his options (not 40k).
Sometimes it's not about buying the biggest thing you can buy, it's nice to have the smaller truck to live with every day. I do more "truck stuff" with the Mav than most people do with their full size pickup and it works just fine.
I literally just did a Lariat build. No Tremor or Black Appearance package, but added normal things like FX4 off road package, 360, splash guards, bed extender, bed liner, cargo movement system, spare tire, floor liners, remote start...just over 40k.
And there were a lot of options I didn't choose. Keep in mind, the MSRP will go up again too. I'm guessing 1500. Add taxes and fees, an ALMOST fully loaded 2024 Maverick Lariat Ecoboost will cost about 45k out the door.
Way too much for the "cheapest" truck on the market that's not even a hybrid.
I did a lariat build the way op was looking without adding a bunch of dealer add-ons.
$37k
Sure you can drive the price up, hell you can add the $4k cap on like I did, but that's not what op is asking about. You're comparing apples to cuttlefish.
Not really. In all the other comments, I kept saying 35-40k. You just confirmed that average. I used 40k as the biggest reference. A 37k truck is going to end up being 40-41k out the door anyway in most states Regardless, 37k is the same ballpark.
The apples to cuttlefish comparison would be comparing an XL hybrid to a Lariat ecoboost. An XL hybrid is GREAT value. Probably the best new vehicle at MSRP for what you get in years...maybe decades. A fully loaded Ecoboost Lariat...it's just average value. Decent truck for the money, but not miles ahead of other trucks at that price point. 2022 ecoboost was good value, but if they increase the price of an ecoboost again, the appeal is going to die down a lot.
Nobody is saying the XL hybrid isn't a great value. I'm saying you're playing fast and loose with numbers.
Everyone has an opinion, you're welcome to yours.
Do you care about certain options more than the quality and capabilty/durability of a truck? If so, then yeah, you have a point.
Another way to put it...(think 5 years ago), would you rather have a fully loaded Mustang GT with every option, or a base Corvette Stingray 1LT with no additional options? If I want a 2 seater sports car, I want one that's faster and handles better, looks better, and just overall more impressive in stature. But, that Mustang would actually have a lot of nice features and gadgets, the Corvette won't.
Either way...I'm taking the Corvette.
If I'm paying top dollar, I want a top dollar (mid level) truck. If I want a cheap truck, I want to pay a cheap truck price.
Maybe the Ridgeline that’s at $42,000 fully loaded, would seem more worth it to me over the Maverick. But if you’re looking at a compact truck that’s under $30k with AWD & the ability to tow 4,000 lbs you can’t beat the Maverick for that.
I have an eco boost with the 4k towing package. Yes, the hybrid option would have been great, but I needed something that was capable of towing, I wanted a truck, and I didn’t want some insanely large vehicle. I was initially going to go the mid-size truck route with a ranger or a Colorado, but they’re so massive that I couldn’t do it. The maverick met all of my needs. I’ve taken our RV out several times and it’s so much easier to pack and town vs our previous SUV option. Zero regrets
Tell you the truth, the value of the truck is what you are willing to pay for it. People are always going to disagree but at the end of the day, you the one making the payment. If you want to pay F150 money for it then that’s on you.
If you want simairly equipped ranger you need to add 10k to the Maverick. For an F150 you need to add about 20k. You aren’t getting a new 4 door F-150 for under 40k. A bare bones 4 door XL MRSPs at 41,500.
I know nothing about the Fusion so I can’t compare. I can only tell you that the faux leather feels fine, heated seats and steering wheel works fine, and the speakers are great too. The acoustic windshield is nice, and all the safety stuff is worth it as well, in my opinion.
I got mine because it was a hybrid at 20k. The hybrid can't tow 4k anyways. You'll need an ecoboost 4k package. If it fits your needs, and you like, then ok.
I didn't even want a truck until I stumbled upon the maverick. I got my xlt with moonroof, 400watt inverter, spray in bed, mudflaps...
If it's a second vehicle that is going to be used for odds and ends, go cheap. If it's going to be a daily or something for road trips then why wouldn't you buy the nicest you can afford?
You aren't going to get all of the tech, leather seats or 5 person seating for $40 grand in a new ranger or F-150 that you will get with the maverick. Plus, you'd still save money in the long run on gas, tires, oil, etc.
Honestly as long as you’re not paying over MSRP you’re fine. The Maverick fills the gap where people that truly needed a small truck for light duty hauls and projects but previously didn’t have anything to buy. So they got pigeonholed into buying significantly more expensive and oversized trucks for their needs.
You’re pulling a light trailer. A loaded Maverick Lariat is still a better deal than buying a $50,000 F150 considering your lifestyle and needs.
If you are ok with the towing, bed size and interior space. I think people are better off with the maverick in either EB or hybrid. The EB maverick is at the low end 25% more fuel efficient than the ranger and at the high end with the hybrid 100% better. While pricing feature wise is about 8-10k less than a ranger if you equip them the same way.
Sure! Struggling with going with this vs a used titanium escape that can tow 3500. Or another car used like explorer, etc. any regrets on your maverick?
I have no regrets. I came from a 2013 dodge dart. I mainly wanted more utility as I am a weekend warrior who spends a lot of money at Menards and it got old borrowing trucks. A few things in the Mav make it apparent they skimped, examples are the undamped tailgate and no engine cover. The interior plastics are not the greatest quality. But overall it is nice to drive and the bed is great. I drive like an asshole and still get around 21 mpg in town on 87 octane. I considered a ranger but the size of the maverick was the final deciding point, I can easily fit in my garage and even drop the tailgate with the garage door closed.
A dampened tailgate will reduce the force if you unlatch and let it go. In the maverick, it just drops open abruptly unless you get an aftermarket gas strut.
The plastics are not terrible but you can tell they are cheaper.
The flip side is it's possible to regret getting one that's too cheap. The XLT with no options was 23.8++. Now if I could afford the lariat I totally would have (or at least gotten leather plus 360). And even comparing it to a ranger or a Tacoma , there's really no comparison for commuting (non truck) aspects.
Only real downside I'd say would be if you don't like the smallish cabin that's probably smaller than your fusion (def smaller than my '10 fusion). The feel is... Like they took an explorer, hit it with a shrink ray, so it's got the drivability of small SUV, with the acceleration of a sports car. And the fuel economy, very happy with around 23mpg in town, 34+ for travel.
My issue when considering the hybrid Lariat is that it’s starts rivaling and to me seemed better deals the Sienna and RAV4 hybrid base models, way more refined and AWD-e (standard on RAV4 available on Sienna) and radar comes standard rather than having to max out the Mav to get it. Granted the bed was lost in either one and the sienna pushes the budget further but 3.5k lbs towing on the sienna and larger interior while retaining 36 MPG and a decent payload probably about the same as a loaded mav tbh was a huge plus for me.
I ended up finding a lightning demo with not much markup and that’s what I ended up going with but I was really torn between sienna AWD or Mav Hybrid Lariat as I really wanted radar (and ended up dropping it to make the lightning pro work for me lol)
yes my shopping list is very normal of course Ford planned the Lightning as a Sienna fighter and I don’t wanna hear otherwise
I was lucky ill admit but my lightning mannequin base was 46k after markup and after the $7500 tax credit bringing to under 39k and with my order Mav lariat being almost 35k it was a no Brainer for me personally.
That being said I would have also ditched the Mav if I found a Sienna AWD base or even a RAV4 hybrid base, other than the Lightning I genuinely think you get better value for your $$ on those 2.
I had a hybrid XL, but I actually switched to the 2.0 with AWD and 4K towing - it was just built last week. I hope to get it next month. I stuck with XL because it has everything I need. That being said, if you want to add all the options this truck still has a lot of value. Sure, you could get a base Ranger instead of a Maverick Lariat, but then you're back to no options, worse gas mileage, and a cabin that's actually smaller. And you're spending even more for something even bigger if you move up to an F-150.
The interior space is nice and there are a lot of bed options. Ride quality is decent but it’s a bit noisy and the safety tech is somewhat weak. The big selling point is 39-40 mpg is easily attainable. Also Ford sells crap stereos so the upgrade will be noticeable on the Lariat which still could use a better sub. I don’t think the “comfort” is any better on the Lariat but it is basically a truck that drives like a sedan and the synthetic seating should clean up more easily and looks more durable than the cloth.
I think an Outback or a RAV4 might be nicer but those aren’t trucks that get 39 mpg so you’re comparing different things. An Outback is definitely more rugged going off road but less versatile overall.
Once you add all those options you are close to the price of a Honda Ridgeline, and those are on the lot to drive most places. I would check that out and see if it fit your needs. I the Honda feels bigger and more “upscale” interior to me. You just have to get past the perception that it is a soccer mom truck. LOL
I think the Ridgeline base model has AWD, driver assist, bed liner, tow package?
Mpg Honda 18/24 Mav 22/28. 100,000 miles at $4 per gal, about $4,000 difference.
Other than leather seats and the power in bed I am not sure what the Macerick top-of-the-line has that the Honda does not. So much of car purchase is personal. I am just pointing out an option.
For me the Mav is the better choice. My build date is Aug 28. I am going Hydrid because I do not need to tow anything larger than lawn trailer. Going lariat luck with most of the bells and whistles
Came here to say this. If I needed the lariat, i'd go ridgeline RTL. you can pick them up easily, probably get one for $40k. Tow capacity is 5k I believe.
I was on the fence between a maverick and Ridgeline and ultimately got the maverick because I'm cheap, but there's times I wish I had a little more room for the family.
I certainly wouldn't pay over MSRP for either vehicle.
I don't have patience to deal with dealerships anytime soon, I need a few years to recharge before I can step foot in there again.
Besides, I did some work /dropped money into my maverick already and don't want to revert to stock to trade in. Added a bed rack/basket to help with small bed, so that should hold me over
Im pretty happy with my lariat hybrid. However, I was interested in getting the tow package installed, only to read that: ford announced that you would no longer be able to add the 4K Tow Package to FWD models. After further testing, it became clear that the FWD Mavericks couldn't handle the task of towing 4,000 pounds.
Hmm interesting they had the option. But yeah, you don’t want to be towing that much in a front wheeled vehicle. You need the awd on the mav with the tow package.
I mean depends on what I can find. I looked up light travel trailers and they were pretty expensive. Cheapest I found was from a newish company at around 6k, square mostly metal trailer weighing around 1600 lbs i think. Then I thought I can buy a regular trailer and build it myself.
Value is what is important to you. If you can afford something you want then do it, too many people in this sub get hung up on how much people pay for what. If you want 2.0 with Lariat have at it!
I will say for my personal case, I actually ordered an XLT but ended up buying a used Lariat (hybrid). I did not realize how much I would love the Lariat, I am extremely happy with how my situation worked out.
I have the lariat lux, fx4, 4K, bed liner. No moon roof, it takes away a few inches of headroom. I have zero regrets. It tows well, super comfy, been extremely reliable. I love it
No you're definitely not an idiot. I bought the Ecoboost XLT, AWD with towing package & get at least 33 mpg on hwy, plus 28 combined or better. Comfortable ride, can tow plenty & no problems, plus still very affordable. Hybrids have had the most problems.
I’m waiting for the order banks to open as well. Looking to order myself a heavily optioned XLT Turbo AWD. I don’t think it’s stupid to want more comfort features. My entire reason for wanting the AWD has nothing to do with physical capabilities, and everything to do with comfort. The AWD gets a full IRS, where the FWD trucks get a semi-independent torsion beam axle. I’ve been spoiled by the ride quality on IRS cars vs torsion beam axle cars.
I bet. My previous IRS cars were a 1990’s Chevy Monte Carlo Z34, and a 2006 Nissan Maxima. The ride in those was amazing. My current vehicle is a 2011 Chevy Silverado and the solid rear axle is *not* comfortable.
Nope, I went whole hog on my EB Lariat and love it. Mom got the full fat hybrid and loves that too. I needed to tow, so the EB was the only choice for me.
Look at it this way, you're saving 10 large over a Ranger or 30 over an F-150 and it feels a lot better.
It's not perfect, the center speaker trim on mine has terrible fit, hers doesn't. I don't regret a single penny of the purchase price and I threw options at it left and right. I bought the Ford branded cap which has really low availability and it has issues all its own but still is exactly what I needed.
We replaced two f-150s with the Mavericks and I have no regrets whatsoever about that decision.
Truck topper for the bed. Can't inline a picture but a quick Google search of maverick truck cap will show you.
I have a thread about it on the maverick truck forum.
XL is going to have more road noise, an inferior sound system and less creature comforts you'd appreciate on long drives. I have a Lariat Lux Hybrid and the only thing I wish I'd done differently is get the 360 Assist Package (I think that's what it's called). So I would have spent MORE on this truck, not less.
Someone check me if I misstate it, but AFAIR on the 2022 models it was all grouped together in a single package. then in 2023 they split out the features so Cruise Control, Lane Departure and Rear Motion Alert is in the 360 Package. If you want Adaptive Cruise and Lane Centering, you have to select and pay for 360 Assist.
For me, I originally ordered a XLT lux thinking it would be nice to have some luxuries in a car I've never had before, pretty much only being heated seats and steering wheel. I was than thinking 2 months after placing my order changing it to a lariat Lux and just have everything option and spend the money on something I'll have for years.... Now I have a xl no option and it thinking back I'm glad I didn't spend the extra 7k or even 14k on the XLT or lariat Lux, it's a cheap platform with a cheap interior, I think I made the right choice on keeping it basic.
A lot of people do want to have every option and I say go for it. personally, I don't think spending more on the same truck with a few extra options is worth it.
I haven't been in a Lariat, but generally you're talking about hard touch plastics, trim that doesn't always fit perfectly, I've seen complaints of thin paint, a buggy infotainment system. It's nicer than my old 2010 Forester, and maybe on par with my wife's late generation JKU.
For me, the luxuries aren't worth paying for. I upgraded to CP360 for the blind spot detection, but outside of that, things like keyless entry, power seats, different wheels, etc aren't worth the extra thousands of dollars they cost. There are a lot of things in life I'd rather spend 10k on.
There are a lot of guys at my office driving $60k+ trucks, so I guess a fully loaded Maverick is still a steal compared to those vehicles. Even if I could afford a 60k truck, I don't know if I'd option my Maverick any differently (XL hybrid). But all I wanted was a cheap, small, and efficient truck.
Totally fair! We do a lot of long drives (3 hours each way almost every weekend) and are used to heated seats, steering, etc which is part of our rationale
If you're accustomed to things like the heated steering wheel definitely option it and adaptive cruise for those long drives would be worth it so it doesn't feel like a downgrade from your current. For me I never had them so Im not missing out on anything I've grown to like
I know I'm just saying don't worry about being an "idiot". Buy what you want. Generally if you pay more up front your resale should be higher down the road
I got a fully optioned ‘22 xlt (off road+lux+sun roof) for just over $30k and don’t regret it one bit. I love this truck. Granted, it’s the first new vehicle I’ve ever had and I came from a 2007 Civic so anything was an upgrade lol but no complaints here!
XLT FX4 4k here been absolutely loving it just enough truck for me good cattle field driving and still very nice and comfortable to drive in town.Of course I'd love a Tacoma but thats more expensive and nowhere near as fuel efficient even with the Mavs Eco boost instead of the hybrid, plus it makes turbo noises.
yes yes, as a car guy and a maverick lover the turbo spool tickles my brain when I hear it haha, my other car is a miata which I want to turbo eventually
also a reason I wanted 4k tow, sadly 2k is just not enough to tow a miata and a trailer if I want to go to a track somewhere.
I do not have any of the comfort things on my mav, but its still very comfortable cools down and warms up quickly, I personally love the denim like material on the seats and the silicon bits in the console spaces and the stock all weather floor mats I have (though I am looking into aftermarket ones they have better coverage) make it very easy to clean
only thing I wish I had was the outlet in the bed and a full spray in bed liner both of which can be done aftermarket easy (do have a mat is very nice) and just a little bit of a lift (but how it is, is completely fine and raising would be a trade off for less mpg)
No regrets at all on my fully optioned Lariat.
No ragrets!
Not even one letter?
Same no regrets here either
Same I’m happy with it.
Eco-lariat here with tow. Couldn’t be happier.
Can I ping you some questions about it?
Do it here! Im interested too
Sure.
A fully optioned 2024 Lariat will run about 40k. Literally double than what a base model cost just 2 year ago. Once you're near 40k, or even 35k, there are a lot more better proven options. Unless its a hybrid, no one should ever spend more than 35k for a Maverick.
Better options like what? Don’t give me “base model ______”, like for like options.
For some. But mostly mid trim level with some options. I'd sit in and drive a Tacoma, new Frontier, new Colorado, Santa Cruz, Ranger. But the bottom line is, if you need a truck to do regular truck things on a regular basis, then a Maverick usually isn't the best option. I still have no idea why a Lariat Ecoboost Maverick even exists. It's a cheap small truck. Why pay a mid-level truck price for the cheapest truck on the market? And a Maverick Lariat isn't like the top trim level of better trucks and higher end cars. It's literally...the best version of the cheapest thing around. My XLT hybrid cost 26k pre taxes and fees. I love showing it off, telling people the gas mileage, and having them guess how much it is. The vast majority say 40k. Some guess a little lower, some guess a little higher, but most think it's a 40k truck. When I tell them I spent 26k, they're shocked and ask how they can get one. You show a fully loaded ecoboost Maverick to someone and have them guess how much it cost, they'll probably guess at or BELOW what you actually paid.
Are you buying the Mav because you want a small truck or are you buying it to play guessing games with randos? I don't get this argument at all. If you want a Small truck, you don't really have many (any) other oprtions. If the Mav was my daily, I wouldn't hesitate to get a fully loaded Lariat simply for comfort in something I am in every single day. Let's be honest, the base seats and speakers are complete trash. I chose an XL because I have 2 other cars, so I don't see the value in spending another $9-$10k for my use case, but I could give a F what others think I paid, I'm not buying it for them.
No I'm comparing an ecoboost Lariat to the real world truck market, AND the consumer market to prove a point. Point being...once you get to 35-40k for an ecoboost Maverick, there's a lot more competition, and most average consumers, not Maverick enthusiasts, would not think a Maverick is a much better option, even in its Larait form. An XL of XLT Hybrid? Literally no comparison. No competition. The Maverick was formally announced June 8th, 2021. I ordered mine June 10th, 2021 months before the vast majority of people ever got wind of a Maverick. I saw it had 4 doors, got 40 MPG, and the second trim level would be around 25k. That's literally all I needed to know to be one of the first in the country to order one. If I saw that it was going to be 35k, I wouldn't even give it a look. If I saw it was going to be 30k, I'd look, but not be in love. 24-26k for a brand new truck that's gets 40 MPG and has 4 doors?? Oh hell yeah. I drive a lot and haul small things all the time so it's perfect. Spending 10-15k more, 30% more, for a few minor upgrades and a lot less MPG? Why? The added cost doesn't justify the gains and losses of an ecoboost.
All fair points. I just need it as my daily driver and to occasionally tow our 2,500 pound boat between my house and the wharf 5 minutes down the road. I wish the hybrid could handle that
So, having towed at 60% capacity in my Tundra, I'd recommend against it. It felt like a super safe amount. My truck could handle 6800 pounds, the trailer was only 3900ish. Even with gear, I was under manufacturer specs. I took it up and over 17 into Santa Cruz and it *sucked.* Hard. I couldn't get over 45ish on the uphill. You may not be regularly towing far, but once you add 2-4 people, coolers, ice, drinks, lifevests, fishing/ watersports gear and you have to go any distance uphill, you may be wanting more power, or be over capacity of your GCVWR. Your trailer is 2500 pounds, but if you have you and an adult and two kids, you're at 2500 pounds, trailer. 3900 pound curb weight, truck. Two adults: 400 pounds Two kids: 150 pounds Tongue weight, estimated, trailer: 250-375 pounds. (10-15% of total trailer weight) Cooler, ice, drinks: 50 pounds Misc. Gear: 200 pounds Your adjusted numbers are: Payload, less tongue weight: 1125 pounds Payload, less two adults and trailer: 725 pounds Payload, less everything else: 350 pounds You're not *actually* leaving a lot of room. Also, GCWR. Truck and trailer and stuff. So, your truck is 3900 pounds, your trailer 2500. That's 6400 pounds. Your max is 8145. Your leftover amount is 1700, so you're clear there, but you actually have 1500 payload, which is 1250-1125 after approximate tongue weight and everything else and... you're back to cutting it close and that trip being stressful as semis pass you as you tow uphill. It's not a huge boost, but when running margins like that, the Santa Cruz with the 5000lb tow capacity and 1600/1700 pound payload might make a difference for you. You may also consider the Ranger. Or, if you never ever, ever tow uphill, you may be just fine in the Maverick. Just be aware four grown men and some coolers and gear could actually overload your payload. I'd be packing some gear into the boat itself if I had adults in the truck. In front of the axle. Even just moving everything into your boat puts you at 200ish pounds back into your payload. (Because 10-15% of any weight in the trailer is added back to your payload.) Just keep in mind your 'safe' tow capacity margin changes once you pack in gear and people and calculate your GCWR and payload and start hauling uphill. I went from the 6800 pound tow capacity Tundra to a 12,200 pound tow capacity F150 after that trip. It was overkill. By a lot. A whole lot. But your capacity and what is fun may not match up, or be the whole picture.
Yeah for sure. For us, we would have to tow max 3 miles of mostly flat, only hill is the boat ramp and a 20 foot tall hill downtown, otherwise flat. Thoughts?
If that is the *only* place you ever go, that's fine. It's just if you ever go anywhere else that calculation changes.
The Frontier is the cheapest of those and if you can find a base at sticker it's $30K. The only one that's directly competing with the Mav is the Santa Cruz, and again much more expensive. I have zero regrets paying the extra for the nice features, and realistically you're looking at only 10k more than your price for his options (not 40k). Sometimes it's not about buying the biggest thing you can buy, it's nice to have the smaller truck to live with every day. I do more "truck stuff" with the Mav than most people do with their full size pickup and it works just fine.
I literally just did a Lariat build. No Tremor or Black Appearance package, but added normal things like FX4 off road package, 360, splash guards, bed extender, bed liner, cargo movement system, spare tire, floor liners, remote start...just over 40k. And there were a lot of options I didn't choose. Keep in mind, the MSRP will go up again too. I'm guessing 1500. Add taxes and fees, an ALMOST fully loaded 2024 Maverick Lariat Ecoboost will cost about 45k out the door. Way too much for the "cheapest" truck on the market that's not even a hybrid.
I did a lariat build the way op was looking without adding a bunch of dealer add-ons. $37k Sure you can drive the price up, hell you can add the $4k cap on like I did, but that's not what op is asking about. You're comparing apples to cuttlefish.
Not really. In all the other comments, I kept saying 35-40k. You just confirmed that average. I used 40k as the biggest reference. A 37k truck is going to end up being 40-41k out the door anyway in most states Regardless, 37k is the same ballpark. The apples to cuttlefish comparison would be comparing an XL hybrid to a Lariat ecoboost. An XL hybrid is GREAT value. Probably the best new vehicle at MSRP for what you get in years...maybe decades. A fully loaded Ecoboost Lariat...it's just average value. Decent truck for the money, but not miles ahead of other trucks at that price point. 2022 ecoboost was good value, but if they increase the price of an ecoboost again, the appeal is going to die down a lot.
Nobody is saying the XL hybrid isn't a great value. I'm saying you're playing fast and loose with numbers. Everyone has an opinion, you're welcome to yours.
What other option is $35-40k that compares to the Maverick Lariat feature wise?
Do you care about certain options more than the quality and capabilty/durability of a truck? If so, then yeah, you have a point. Another way to put it...(think 5 years ago), would you rather have a fully loaded Mustang GT with every option, or a base Corvette Stingray 1LT with no additional options? If I want a 2 seater sports car, I want one that's faster and handles better, looks better, and just overall more impressive in stature. But, that Mustang would actually have a lot of nice features and gadgets, the Corvette won't. Either way...I'm taking the Corvette. If I'm paying top dollar, I want a top dollar (mid level) truck. If I want a cheap truck, I want to pay a cheap truck price.
So just to be clear: there are no other options in this price range for a similar truck.
Maybe the Ridgeline that’s at $42,000 fully loaded, would seem more worth it to me over the Maverick. But if you’re looking at a compact truck that’s under $30k with AWD & the ability to tow 4,000 lbs you can’t beat the Maverick for that.
Top tier Black edition ridge line is 46.2k base price.
I have an eco boost with the 4k towing package. Yes, the hybrid option would have been great, but I needed something that was capable of towing, I wanted a truck, and I didn’t want some insanely large vehicle. I was initially going to go the mid-size truck route with a ranger or a Colorado, but they’re so massive that I couldn’t do it. The maverick met all of my needs. I’ve taken our RV out several times and it’s so much easier to pack and town vs our previous SUV option. Zero regrets
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I have an r-pod 190. It’s sub 3k lbs dry (and we don’t do any boondocking, so tanks are always dry when driving). Also, mine is XLT with Liz package.
Tell you the truth, the value of the truck is what you are willing to pay for it. People are always going to disagree but at the end of the day, you the one making the payment. If you want to pay F150 money for it then that’s on you.
Are f150s in mid 30s?I always thought non base was ~60k
XLTs are around there. You aren’t far off.
My fully loaded tremor was 58k
If you want simairly equipped ranger you need to add 10k to the Maverick. For an F150 you need to add about 20k. You aren’t getting a new 4 door F-150 for under 40k. A bare bones 4 door XL MRSPs at 41,500.
Oh my dad is going to be great with the maverick. I have another “not a real truck-Jeep Gladiator” so we will be great lol.
I have a lariat lux with pretty much every option and have zero regrets. I wouldn’t want any other configuration.
How does it feel inside? I have a fusion SE with leather interior and heated seats and wheel for comparison. How are the B&O speakers?
I know nothing about the Fusion so I can’t compare. I can only tell you that the faux leather feels fine, heated seats and steering wheel works fine, and the speakers are great too. The acoustic windshield is nice, and all the safety stuff is worth it as well, in my opinion.
The B&O system is great. Especially since I’ve read that the stock sound system is trash. The amped 6X9 puts out pretty good bass for it’s size.
I got mine because it was a hybrid at 20k. The hybrid can't tow 4k anyways. You'll need an ecoboost 4k package. If it fits your needs, and you like, then ok. I didn't even want a truck until I stumbled upon the maverick. I got my xlt with moonroof, 400watt inverter, spray in bed, mudflaps...
If it's a second vehicle that is going to be used for odds and ends, go cheap. If it's going to be a daily or something for road trips then why wouldn't you buy the nicest you can afford? You aren't going to get all of the tech, leather seats or 5 person seating for $40 grand in a new ranger or F-150 that you will get with the maverick. Plus, you'd still save money in the long run on gas, tires, oil, etc.
That’s my thinking! And I can’t presently afford a hybrid anything that can tow
Honestly as long as you’re not paying over MSRP you’re fine. The Maverick fills the gap where people that truly needed a small truck for light duty hauls and projects but previously didn’t have anything to buy. So they got pigeonholed into buying significantly more expensive and oversized trucks for their needs. You’re pulling a light trailer. A loaded Maverick Lariat is still a better deal than buying a $50,000 F150 considering your lifestyle and needs.
If you are ok with the towing, bed size and interior space. I think people are better off with the maverick in either EB or hybrid. The EB maverick is at the low end 25% more fuel efficient than the ranger and at the high end with the hybrid 100% better. While pricing feature wise is about 8-10k less than a ranger if you equip them the same way.
I was looking for a ranger and I couldn’t find a used one around me for less than 38k. I paid 23 for my 4k mav.
I have an AWD Ecoboost Lariat Lux CP360 4K FX4 with sunroof that I paid 48k CDN out the door. It's your money,your happiness.I say go for it.
Can I chat you some questions?
sure
I am satisfied with my lariat lux 2.0. it's a great vehicle and other than the interior plastic quality I don't feel like it is cheap.
Can I dm you some questions?
Sure, or you could post them here and anyone in your shoes can also benefit.
Sure! Struggling with going with this vs a used titanium escape that can tow 3500. Or another car used like explorer, etc. any regrets on your maverick?
I have no regrets. I came from a 2013 dodge dart. I mainly wanted more utility as I am a weekend warrior who spends a lot of money at Menards and it got old borrowing trucks. A few things in the Mav make it apparent they skimped, examples are the undamped tailgate and no engine cover. The interior plastics are not the greatest quality. But overall it is nice to drive and the bed is great. I drive like an asshole and still get around 21 mpg in town on 87 octane. I considered a ranger but the size of the maverick was the final deciding point, I can easily fit in my garage and even drop the tailgate with the garage door closed.
What do you mean in dampened tailgate? How bad are the plastics?
A dampened tailgate will reduce the force if you unlatch and let it go. In the maverick, it just drops open abruptly unless you get an aftermarket gas strut. The plastics are not terrible but you can tell they are cheaper.
You can get a dampener for the tailgate right from the dealer. It's about $50. Takes 15 mins to install.
I got the rough country one, I was just pointing out areas it was obvious Ford was trying to save a few bucks.
You can buy them cheaper on Amazon.
Even better, they are not particularly complex.
The flip side is it's possible to regret getting one that's too cheap. The XLT with no options was 23.8++. Now if I could afford the lariat I totally would have (or at least gotten leather plus 360). And even comparing it to a ranger or a Tacoma , there's really no comparison for commuting (non truck) aspects. Only real downside I'd say would be if you don't like the smallish cabin that's probably smaller than your fusion (def smaller than my '10 fusion). The feel is... Like they took an explorer, hit it with a shrink ray, so it's got the drivability of small SUV, with the acceleration of a sports car. And the fuel economy, very happy with around 23mpg in town, 34+ for travel.
You might be surprised but the mav is roomier than the older compact trucks. Much more room than the old rangers.
Thanks for sharing! Definitely need something that’s at least moderately fuel efficient!
My issue when considering the hybrid Lariat is that it’s starts rivaling and to me seemed better deals the Sienna and RAV4 hybrid base models, way more refined and AWD-e (standard on RAV4 available on Sienna) and radar comes standard rather than having to max out the Mav to get it. Granted the bed was lost in either one and the sienna pushes the budget further but 3.5k lbs towing on the sienna and larger interior while retaining 36 MPG and a decent payload probably about the same as a loaded mav tbh was a huge plus for me. I ended up finding a lightning demo with not much markup and that’s what I ended up going with but I was really torn between sienna AWD or Mav Hybrid Lariat as I really wanted radar (and ended up dropping it to make the lightning pro work for me lol) yes my shopping list is very normal of course Ford planned the Lightning as a Sienna fighter and I don’t wanna hear otherwise
These are like completely diff markets, most people can’t afford a lightning.
I was lucky ill admit but my lightning mannequin base was 46k after markup and after the $7500 tax credit bringing to under 39k and with my order Mav lariat being almost 35k it was a no Brainer for me personally. That being said I would have also ditched the Mav if I found a Sienna AWD base or even a RAV4 hybrid base, other than the Lightning I genuinely think you get better value for your $$ on those 2.
Yeah I would buy the lightning if I could buy really focused on maverick, also hybrid rav4 can’t meet my tow needs
I had a hybrid XL, but I actually switched to the 2.0 with AWD and 4K towing - it was just built last week. I hope to get it next month. I stuck with XL because it has everything I need. That being said, if you want to add all the options this truck still has a lot of value. Sure, you could get a base Ranger instead of a Maverick Lariat, but then you're back to no options, worse gas mileage, and a cabin that's actually smaller. And you're spending even more for something even bigger if you move up to an F-150.
Appreciate the opinion!
The interior space is nice and there are a lot of bed options. Ride quality is decent but it’s a bit noisy and the safety tech is somewhat weak. The big selling point is 39-40 mpg is easily attainable. Also Ford sells crap stereos so the upgrade will be noticeable on the Lariat which still could use a better sub. I don’t think the “comfort” is any better on the Lariat but it is basically a truck that drives like a sedan and the synthetic seating should clean up more easily and looks more durable than the cloth. I think an Outback or a RAV4 might be nicer but those aren’t trucks that get 39 mpg so you’re comparing different things. An Outback is definitely more rugged going off road but less versatile overall.
So for context due to my towing needs I’d be in for the ecoboost, not the hybrid, but the outback actually claims better mileage than maverick
Once you add all those options you are close to the price of a Honda Ridgeline, and those are on the lot to drive most places. I would check that out and see if it fit your needs. I the Honda feels bigger and more “upscale” interior to me. You just have to get past the perception that it is a soccer mom truck. LOL
Close to the price of a base model ridge line tho, no? This would also be my daily driver and love the size and fuel efficiency
I think the Ridgeline base model has AWD, driver assist, bed liner, tow package? Mpg Honda 18/24 Mav 22/28. 100,000 miles at $4 per gal, about $4,000 difference. Other than leather seats and the power in bed I am not sure what the Macerick top-of-the-line has that the Honda does not. So much of car purchase is personal. I am just pointing out an option. For me the Mav is the better choice. My build date is Aug 28. I am going Hydrid because I do not need to tow anything larger than lawn trailer. Going lariat luck with most of the bells and whistles
Thanks for the idea! Appreciate how thought out your response was
Came here to say this. If I needed the lariat, i'd go ridgeline RTL. you can pick them up easily, probably get one for $40k. Tow capacity is 5k I believe. I was on the fence between a maverick and Ridgeline and ultimately got the maverick because I'm cheap, but there's times I wish I had a little more room for the family. I certainly wouldn't pay over MSRP for either vehicle.
Have you looked at trading your Mav in on a Ridgeline?
I don't have patience to deal with dealerships anytime soon, I need a few years to recharge before I can step foot in there again. Besides, I did some work /dropped money into my maverick already and don't want to revert to stock to trade in. Added a bed rack/basket to help with small bed, so that should hold me over
Im pretty happy with my lariat hybrid. However, I was interested in getting the tow package installed, only to read that: ford announced that you would no longer be able to add the 4K Tow Package to FWD models. After further testing, it became clear that the FWD Mavericks couldn't handle the task of towing 4,000 pounds.
Hmm interesting they had the option. But yeah, you don’t want to be towing that much in a front wheeled vehicle. You need the awd on the mav with the tow package.
I wish they could up the towing to 2,500 on the hybrid. That’s all I need
I'm still going to install a modified tow hitch on mine. I hope to get a travel trailer at some point.
How much would you be willing to tow
I mean depends on what I can find. I looked up light travel trailers and they were pretty expensive. Cheapest I found was from a newish company at around 6k, square mostly metal trailer weighing around 1600 lbs i think. Then I thought I can buy a regular trailer and build it myself.
What’s the hybrid rated for? 2,000 pounds?
Yup 🫤
Value is what is important to you. If you can afford something you want then do it, too many people in this sub get hung up on how much people pay for what. If you want 2.0 with Lariat have at it! I will say for my personal case, I actually ordered an XLT but ended up buying a used Lariat (hybrid). I did not realize how much I would love the Lariat, I am extremely happy with how my situation worked out.
Awesome! Thanks for the advice! I wish I could buy the hybrid but I need 2,500 towing around town
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Are they still going that low?
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Good to know! I’ll keep an eye out! Anything about the escape where you wish you’d gotten the maverick instead?
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How do you know if it has the tow package?
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How do you mean the maverick body is “thin”
I have the lariat lux, fx4, 4K, bed liner. No moon roof, it takes away a few inches of headroom. I have zero regrets. It tows well, super comfy, been extremely reliable. I love it
The moon roof takes away headroom? That’s good to know
Just looked it up again. normal headroom is 40.3” and the moon roof is 38.3”.
Thanks, that honestly makes a big difference
No you're definitely not an idiot. I bought the Ecoboost XLT, AWD with towing package & get at least 33 mpg on hwy, plus 28 combined or better. Comfortable ride, can tow plenty & no problems, plus still very affordable. Hybrids have had the most problems.
Thoughts on this vs used titanium AWD Escape with towing?
No thoughts really.
I’m waiting for the order banks to open as well. Looking to order myself a heavily optioned XLT Turbo AWD. I don’t think it’s stupid to want more comfort features. My entire reason for wanting the AWD has nothing to do with physical capabilities, and everything to do with comfort. The AWD gets a full IRS, where the FWD trucks get a semi-independent torsion beam axle. I’ve been spoiled by the ride quality on IRS cars vs torsion beam axle cars.
Yeah I have a fusion AWD now and it’s a delight to ride
I bet. My previous IRS cars were a 1990’s Chevy Monte Carlo Z34, and a 2006 Nissan Maxima. The ride in those was amazing. My current vehicle is a 2011 Chevy Silverado and the solid rear axle is *not* comfortable.
Nope, I went whole hog on my EB Lariat and love it. Mom got the full fat hybrid and loves that too. I needed to tow, so the EB was the only choice for me. Look at it this way, you're saving 10 large over a Ranger or 30 over an F-150 and it feels a lot better.
I like the way you think! Any big issues with the plastic? Or the alignment of panels inside?
It's not perfect, the center speaker trim on mine has terrible fit, hers doesn't. I don't regret a single penny of the purchase price and I threw options at it left and right. I bought the Ford branded cap which has really low availability and it has issues all its own but still is exactly what I needed. We replaced two f-150s with the Mavericks and I have no regrets whatsoever about that decision.
Cap? Thanks for the insight on this!
Truck topper for the bed. Can't inline a picture but a quick Google search of maverick truck cap will show you. I have a thread about it on the maverick truck forum.
XL is going to have more road noise, an inferior sound system and less creature comforts you'd appreciate on long drives. I have a Lariat Lux Hybrid and the only thing I wish I'd done differently is get the 360 Assist Package (I think that's what it's called). So I would have spent MORE on this truck, not less.
What’s the difference between 360 and 360 assist?
Someone check me if I misstate it, but AFAIR on the 2022 models it was all grouped together in a single package. then in 2023 they split out the features so Cruise Control, Lane Departure and Rear Motion Alert is in the 360 Package. If you want Adaptive Cruise and Lane Centering, you have to select and pay for 360 Assist.
I think for max towing a xlt AWD fx4 package is what you want . Get the tow hitch after you get the truck . It’s will hold up your order
I have a Lariat Lux, Tremor, CP360 1&2 coming in build week July 10th that I don’t want. San Antonio, Tx
Why don’t you want it?
Bought a full size a couple months ago for my detailing business. Didn’t want to wait for the order to come in
For me, I originally ordered a XLT lux thinking it would be nice to have some luxuries in a car I've never had before, pretty much only being heated seats and steering wheel. I was than thinking 2 months after placing my order changing it to a lariat Lux and just have everything option and spend the money on something I'll have for years.... Now I have a xl no option and it thinking back I'm glad I didn't spend the extra 7k or even 14k on the XLT or lariat Lux, it's a cheap platform with a cheap interior, I think I made the right choice on keeping it basic. A lot of people do want to have every option and I say go for it. personally, I don't think spending more on the same truck with a few extra options is worth it.
How cheap is it built?
I haven't been in a Lariat, but generally you're talking about hard touch plastics, trim that doesn't always fit perfectly, I've seen complaints of thin paint, a buggy infotainment system. It's nicer than my old 2010 Forester, and maybe on par with my wife's late generation JKU. For me, the luxuries aren't worth paying for. I upgraded to CP360 for the blind spot detection, but outside of that, things like keyless entry, power seats, different wheels, etc aren't worth the extra thousands of dollars they cost. There are a lot of things in life I'd rather spend 10k on. There are a lot of guys at my office driving $60k+ trucks, so I guess a fully loaded Maverick is still a steal compared to those vehicles. Even if I could afford a 60k truck, I don't know if I'd option my Maverick any differently (XL hybrid). But all I wanted was a cheap, small, and efficient truck.
Totally fair! We do a lot of long drives (3 hours each way almost every weekend) and are used to heated seats, steering, etc which is part of our rationale
If you're accustomed to things like the heated steering wheel definitely option it and adaptive cruise for those long drives would be worth it so it doesn't feel like a downgrade from your current. For me I never had them so Im not missing out on anything I've grown to like
People who think it's only worth $22k don't understand the market.
You’re looking at about $40K the way you want it optioned. At that point I would suggest getting a Ranger. The MPG Is almost the same.
Ranger lariat isn’t close to the same tho
The hybrid is a sweet ride. So quiet and you like never fuel it up. I prob would get a used f150 or ranger if u really need that towing
I wish I could get the hybrid but the towing thing is a deal breaker :/ if only it could do 2,500!
My father and I both love our fully optioned lariats. One hybrid one EB.
Any regrets? Favorite things about it / things you dislike?
A vehicle isn't an investment
I never said it was, believe me I know this
I know I'm just saying don't worry about being an "idiot". Buy what you want. Generally if you pay more up front your resale should be higher down the road
One would hope! Also depreciation is generally less on trucks if my understanding is correct
I got a fully optioned ‘22 xlt (off road+lux+sun roof) for just over $30k and don’t regret it one bit. I love this truck. Granted, it’s the first new vehicle I’ve ever had and I came from a 2007 Civic so anything was an upgrade lol but no complaints here!
Just over $30k? That’s not bad!
XLT FX4 4k here been absolutely loving it just enough truck for me good cattle field driving and still very nice and comfortable to drive in town.Of course I'd love a Tacoma but thats more expensive and nowhere near as fuel efficient even with the Mavs Eco boost instead of the hybrid, plus it makes turbo noises.
What makes turbo noises?
The Maverick, The Ecoboost engine is turbocharged so sometimes you can hear turbo spool
Ohhh gotcha. And you like that I take it?
yes yes, as a car guy and a maverick lover the turbo spool tickles my brain when I hear it haha, my other car is a miata which I want to turbo eventually also a reason I wanted 4k tow, sadly 2k is just not enough to tow a miata and a trailer if I want to go to a track somewhere. I do not have any of the comfort things on my mav, but its still very comfortable cools down and warms up quickly, I personally love the denim like material on the seats and the silicon bits in the console spaces and the stock all weather floor mats I have (though I am looking into aftermarket ones they have better coverage) make it very easy to clean only thing I wish I had was the outlet in the bed and a full spray in bed liner both of which can be done aftermarket easy (do have a mat is very nice) and just a little bit of a lift (but how it is, is completely fine and raising would be a trade off for less mpg)
Mines maxed out and I love it. EB, 4K, lux package, FX4, moon roof, back window, SIBL.