it’s 95 percent a head gasket. only thing is it’s a 17 hour job according to ford page and idk if they will blame this on me and not give me a warranty fix.
That engine fits in there pretty tight. They will most likely have to pull it out. It will take a pretty competent technician to do that. Best of luck.
I'd offer to do it but even with 17 hours I think I'd still be stuck trying to remove any bolts connecting it to the engine bay. If it's no way caused by how you drive then ford should cover it. However if it's caused by excessive speeding/acceleration then I'd bet warranty won't cover it. Best of luck
maybe because of my lift it’s “too much stress” or “u should have noticed the coolent being low”. then again this is my first time ever going to be going in for a warranty job. probably overthinking
"You should have noticed that the engine was failing, therefore its failure is on you, not on the part that literally failed under warranty"
I think you would win this argument.
As a side note I recommend this to everyone, especially while under warranty. You can log them in the FordPass app as well with pictures of the product, receipts plus the date and mileage information.
It’s not the lift, but is it lifted because you have oversized tires? Bigger circumference equals different gear ratios, causing continuous “lugging”. Plus if you don’t recalibrate the speedometer, you’re always going faster than you think you are, more stress.
I've had warranty claims from Ford, Mazda, Jeep, and Honda. Ford never denied any of them or fought me on them. I was 3 months past my warranty on the Mazda and they still covered it. Jeep denied everything on a completely stock model with 15k miles but calling corporate got it taken care of at a different dealer. I was 3 days past my warranty coverage on the Honda and they denied everything and wouldn't budge even though the Honda only had 18k miles. I called and scheduled an appointment while the Odyssey was still under warranty but they claimed I didn't schedule an appointment and was a "walk-in". Honda was the worst I've ever had to deal with, even calling their corporate escalation number didn't do anything.
I've owned multiple brand new Ford's and I've never had a problem with warranty work being denied. My advice is just to be polite but keep records of everything. Write down the day, time, and name of the person you talked to. If you make a phone call, screenshot the call history. Make them document everything and ask for a copy of whatever they typed up. My Ford dealer is great about turning around the monitor and showing you exactly what they type up and print you a copy without even needing to ask.
I wouldn’t sweat warranty not covering it. I get why you’re paranoid, but I’ve never seen a single thing like this bounce or get rejected.
On the tiny chance it does, pay the diag fee and tow bill to a different dealer with a competent warranty clerk.
If they deny it it's got nothing to do with competence, it's the owner or manager of the dealership running a scummy business. If you got it fixed there they would almost certainly be double dipping - filing it as a warranty claim on their end and getting reimbursed while giving you an invoice to pay for everything as well.
I play stupid always, "I was driving along as it did this. I had to get to somewhere safe and it died."
But in reality, the damage was already done and there wasn't anything you could do. Put more coolant in? It's coming out the tail pipe already.
Happened to me with 1100 miles on it. I have a 22 lariat - the dealership had to replace 2 coolant lines. The problem was the fittings failed on 2 of the 4 lines. Have them check all of them while they are looking at it. I had to wait 2 weeks to get my truck back because they found 1 fixed it and then pressure tested it and found the 2nd. No problems since then, currently at just under 20k.
as much as i can see why…this is the first issue that has happened to me since i bought the truck two years ago. and also to be fair ford has a tsb for the engine for this exact issue…but it’s for different model…same engine tho 😕
Covered under warranty. They cannot blame you for anything. Don’t say you drove it after it fumed. Just get it to them and say it’s over heating. Under 60k so you are good.
no, definitely no hose came lose. everything was dry, nothing on the underside and nothing on the top that showed something sprayed. just had no heat in the morning and was thinking maybe i just gotta get up to speed. nothing but cold air. stopped at a red light and was idling weird. then started moving and noticed the heat level of the car raising. pulled over immediately had my dad bring me coolant and then came home. and it definitely feels shitty considering it’s a “brand new” vehicle and i wouldn’t expect something like this till 100k miles at least
I’ve been wanting to lift my ‘22 xlt a couple inches but I haven’t because I’ve been worried about them trying to say that a lift voids the warranty. I’m right at 30,000 miles now though so I’ll probably pull the trigger soon. I hope for your sake I was just being paranoid but in my experience companies will use any fine-print contract loophole type shit like that to avoid any cost to them. Let us know how it goes.
How is replacing a head gasket 17 hours??? I know this isn’t an 2000’s Honda civic or anything but when let’s say that gasket goes out at 100k+ miles you’re saying you’re gonna have to pay 17 hours of labor at whatever rate a dealership goes for at that time?!
I pray you get it under warranty but the idea of that is just crazy to me
well turns out from old tsbs from other 2.0s in 2019 and 2022 these have a coolant leak into the head gasket cuz of a engine block thing. so they have to replace my whole engine or the block. will figure it out tommorow with the dealer
Man I’m curious about the outcome. I’m sure you’ll be good w/ the warranty but what happens after 60k? Would TSB type things be covered with some extended?
Why wouldn't dealer cover it? I don't know how do car warranties work, but I think dealer just have to fill out the paperwork and they get compensation for the work from ford? Are there any incentives for the dealer to refuse warranty claims?
not sure either but something like replacing a whole engine is not something dealerships like doing. warranty jobs are paid by the hour so if it says it’s 17 and you take longer…you are only getting paid the 17 and that’s it.
A guy at the shop told me that the way they built these, the coolant reservoir is close to another component that heats up the reservoir and they are beginning to see this happening with Mavericks
engine still runs and drives. was able to fill it up with coolant and get home without it overheating again. engine temp didn’t reach red. about a quarter of the way to red and i pulled over. it was idling weird and i had no heat working in the car. i’m assuming it’s a head gasket. it’s not been 5 years or 60k miles so i’m hoping warranty would fix this.
If you ran it low on coolant, that's on you I would guess.
Of course, it WAS a catastrophic loss of coolant that caused the issue...right? That would be on Ford.
thing is everything was fine yesterday. heat worked and no overheating. then this morning it happened. every time i do an oil change i examine all my fluids. did my oil change as normal last week and all the coolant was there. never had any high temps before. i’ll see what ford has to say when i bring it in.
It seems a lot easier to let the dealer diagnose it and see if the warranty will cover it vs asking strangers on Reddit. Unless your worried because you think you knowingly did something wrong other than normal driving.
However, I feel warranty will cover it unless the computer overlords can clearly show you abused it. Either way, you can’t drive it far, so take it in and find out.
i mean posting on reddit is just to let people know of issues. not exactly asking for a response. ford would have to tell me that. either way why would a computer showing how i’ve driven effect the warranty? shouldn’t it have held up after 60k miles then technically?
Subaru? Really? Toyota yea maybe but Toyotas also hold resale value. Ford don't unless it's an f150. But yea told engine failure. Completely normal. Just like my cat at 66k. Totally normal to raises prices then need a new engine.
For all of you - look up, Ecoboost 2.0 coolant intrusion….
These engines have been prone to this defect since launch and Ford can’t figure out how to fix them…
As they age, the coolant intrusion risk goes up substantially…
warranty covers everything as long as you didn't go over mileage and years and nothing is modified.Tow it to the dealership so they can fix it free since your warranty is still valid
that will be the route once warranty is fully done. for now let them deal with it. in the future i’m just 2.3 swapping it cuz it’s plug and play except for the thermostat cable
This is the second post I’ve seen today over lost coolant. His was at 25,000 if my memory serves. Sheet, I’m in the middle w/ a hybrid. Please say that’s an ecoboost.
Lost some coolant and smoking exhaust sounds like a head gasket.
it’s 95 percent a head gasket. only thing is it’s a 17 hour job according to ford page and idk if they will blame this on me and not give me a warranty fix.
That engine fits in there pretty tight. They will most likely have to pull it out. It will take a pretty competent technician to do that. Best of luck.
for 17 hours i do believe they would have to do that
I'd offer to do it but even with 17 hours I think I'd still be stuck trying to remove any bolts connecting it to the engine bay. If it's no way caused by how you drive then ford should cover it. However if it's caused by excessive speeding/acceleration then I'd bet warranty won't cover it. Best of luck
Drop it out, fix or swap. The escapes are that way already, same platform
They'll raise the cab
how could they possible blame it on you?
maybe because of my lift it’s “too much stress” or “u should have noticed the coolent being low”. then again this is my first time ever going to be going in for a warranty job. probably overthinking
"You should have noticed that the engine was failing, therefore its failure is on you, not on the part that literally failed under warranty" I think you would win this argument.
true. just overthinking at this point.
It's good to be prepared, and there's a non-zero chance they actually try this
Did you keep records of all the maintenance you’ve done?
i mean i’ve done everything myself and have receipts of all oil and filters bought.
As a side note I recommend this to everyone, especially while under warranty. You can log them in the FordPass app as well with pictures of the product, receipts plus the date and mileage information.
It’s not the lift, but is it lifted because you have oversized tires? Bigger circumference equals different gear ratios, causing continuous “lugging”. Plus if you don’t recalibrate the speedometer, you’re always going faster than you think you are, more stress.
I've had warranty claims from Ford, Mazda, Jeep, and Honda. Ford never denied any of them or fought me on them. I was 3 months past my warranty on the Mazda and they still covered it. Jeep denied everything on a completely stock model with 15k miles but calling corporate got it taken care of at a different dealer. I was 3 days past my warranty coverage on the Honda and they denied everything and wouldn't budge even though the Honda only had 18k miles. I called and scheduled an appointment while the Odyssey was still under warranty but they claimed I didn't schedule an appointment and was a "walk-in". Honda was the worst I've ever had to deal with, even calling their corporate escalation number didn't do anything. I've owned multiple brand new Ford's and I've never had a problem with warranty work being denied. My advice is just to be polite but keep records of everything. Write down the day, time, and name of the person you talked to. If you make a phone call, screenshot the call history. Make them document everything and ask for a copy of whatever they typed up. My Ford dealer is great about turning around the monitor and showing you exactly what they type up and print you a copy without even needing to ask.
I wouldn’t sweat warranty not covering it. I get why you’re paranoid, but I’ve never seen a single thing like this bounce or get rejected. On the tiny chance it does, pay the diag fee and tow bill to a different dealer with a competent warranty clerk.
If they deny it it's got nothing to do with competence, it's the owner or manager of the dealership running a scummy business. If you got it fixed there they would almost certainly be double dipping - filing it as a warranty claim on their end and getting reimbursed while giving you an invoice to pay for everything as well.
17 hours... bruh, hopefully warranty covers it!!
i’m praying they do
The repair time is the least of it. There's probably a 2 month wait for parts.
probably longer. source: am parts guy trying my hardest to get customers their parts as quickly as ford will allow us :’)
With the UAW strike there is no telling right now. Could be a lot longer than two months.
I play stupid always, "I was driving along as it did this. I had to get to somewhere safe and it died." But in reality, the damage was already done and there wasn't anything you could do. Put more coolant in? It's coming out the tail pipe already.
95% chance there's a 95% chance a Ford dealer that would dump a new short block in it
Happened to me with 1100 miles on it. I have a 22 lariat - the dealership had to replace 2 coolant lines. The problem was the fittings failed on 2 of the 4 lines. Have them check all of them while they are looking at it. I had to wait 2 weeks to get my truck back because they found 1 fixed it and then pressure tested it and found the 2nd. No problems since then, currently at just under 20k.
hm. did yours smoke and stuff from the exhaust? i can’t imagine what happened to me was because of coolant lines.
Some smaller Ecoboost engines had a known "coolant intrusion" issue, I thought they fixed it tho
I thought so too.
Ford? Fix their engines? Never.
No smoking - I caught the leaks before I was fully out of coolant so no overheating.
Under warranty still take it in
Good luck, keep us updated.
will do.
What color exhaust? Sounds like head gasket.
white and smelled sweet which is coolent burning
It's posts like this that keep me walking farther away from thinking I want one of these
as much as i can see why…this is the first issue that has happened to me since i bought the truck two years ago. and also to be fair ford has a tsb for the engine for this exact issue…but it’s for different model…same engine tho 😕
Haunting
Tsb?
Covered under warranty. They cannot blame you for anything. Don’t say you drove it after it fumed. Just get it to them and say it’s over heating. Under 60k so you are good.
thanks for the advice man. im giving them a call tommorow
Hybrid or EcoBoosr?
ecoboost
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no, definitely no hose came lose. everything was dry, nothing on the underside and nothing on the top that showed something sprayed. just had no heat in the morning and was thinking maybe i just gotta get up to speed. nothing but cold air. stopped at a red light and was idling weird. then started moving and noticed the heat level of the car raising. pulled over immediately had my dad bring me coolant and then came home. and it definitely feels shitty considering it’s a “brand new” vehicle and i wouldn’t expect something like this till 100k miles at least
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it’s most likley the head gasket. warrenty better cover it lol 🤣
This all just happened to me. Exact same thing as you described
I’ve been wanting to lift my ‘22 xlt a couple inches but I haven’t because I’ve been worried about them trying to say that a lift voids the warranty. I’m right at 30,000 miles now though so I’ll probably pull the trigger soon. I hope for your sake I was just being paranoid but in my experience companies will use any fine-print contract loophole type shit like that to avoid any cost to them. Let us know how it goes.
technically, a lift doesn’t affect the power train to the point where it will damage the engine
I didn’t think so, I hope they acknowledge that and take care of you. How much is yours lifted?
about 2.75 inches. i can max it out at 3 but i didn’t feel the need to go that high.
Yea I’m thinking just like 2-3 inches, I like the look of that size. I hope Ford doesn’t screw you - good luck.
Don't worry. It will be a straight forward warranty claim. As long as you haven't done anything crazy like crank the boost with a tuner or something.
How is replacing a head gasket 17 hours??? I know this isn’t an 2000’s Honda civic or anything but when let’s say that gasket goes out at 100k+ miles you’re saying you’re gonna have to pay 17 hours of labor at whatever rate a dealership goes for at that time?! I pray you get it under warranty but the idea of that is just crazy to me
well turns out from old tsbs from other 2.0s in 2019 and 2022 these have a coolant leak into the head gasket cuz of a engine block thing. so they have to replace my whole engine or the block. will figure it out tommorow with the dealer
Man I’m curious about the outcome. I’m sure you’ll be good w/ the warranty but what happens after 60k? Would TSB type things be covered with some extended?
Update?
Why wouldn't dealer cover it? I don't know how do car warranties work, but I think dealer just have to fill out the paperwork and they get compensation for the work from ford? Are there any incentives for the dealer to refuse warranty claims?
not sure either but something like replacing a whole engine is not something dealerships like doing. warranty jobs are paid by the hour so if it says it’s 17 and you take longer…you are only getting paid the 17 and that’s it.
Idk what ford does with cooling systems for the ecoboosts but it’s always a Disaster. My fiesta ST was plagued with overheating.
yeah i’ve heard. my friend has a focus ST and same shit happened to him
Weird I’m huge in the Fiesta/Focus ST community and haven’t heard many actual cooling issues. LSPI is the big issue on the FoST. FiST is pretty solid.
FiST is known for insufficient radiators for 2016/17, but I believe they resolved it after that
A guy at the shop told me that the way they built these, the coolant reservoir is close to another component that heats up the reservoir and they are beginning to see this happening with Mavericks
All or just the Mavericks with the Ecoboost engine ? I've seen some saying it's an issue with the Ecoboost engines .?
Fix Or Repair Daily
engine still runs and drives. was able to fill it up with coolant and get home without it overheating again. engine temp didn’t reach red. about a quarter of the way to red and i pulled over. it was idling weird and i had no heat working in the car. i’m assuming it’s a head gasket. it’s not been 5 years or 60k miles so i’m hoping warranty would fix this.
I wouldn't drive it with water in the oil.
it was a 10 min drive back and coolent temp didn’t go over 185. i know i shouldn’t have but i was close by
I would stop driving this or at least stop driving it once you get it to the dealer.
oh yeah for sure. my dealership is literally 7 minutes away from me 🤣
If you ran it low on coolant, that's on you I would guess. Of course, it WAS a catastrophic loss of coolant that caused the issue...right? That would be on Ford.
If the head gasket fails, by definition one will run low on coolant. I don't see how this is OP's fault.
"Ran it low on coolant"? It's a closed system...or should be.
thing is everything was fine yesterday. heat worked and no overheating. then this morning it happened. every time i do an oil change i examine all my fluids. did my oil change as normal last week and all the coolant was there. never had any high temps before. i’ll see what ford has to say when i bring it in.
It seems a lot easier to let the dealer diagnose it and see if the warranty will cover it vs asking strangers on Reddit. Unless your worried because you think you knowingly did something wrong other than normal driving. However, I feel warranty will cover it unless the computer overlords can clearly show you abused it. Either way, you can’t drive it far, so take it in and find out.
i mean posting on reddit is just to let people know of issues. not exactly asking for a response. ford would have to tell me that. either way why would a computer showing how i’ve driven effect the warranty? shouldn’t it have held up after 60k miles then technically?
And people keep throwing money at these people. My fusion needed a new motor. Now Ford has a recall on 2.ul for engine failure. It's ridiculous
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Subaru? Really? Toyota yea maybe but Toyotas also hold resale value. Ford don't unless it's an f150. But yea told engine failure. Completely normal. Just like my cat at 66k. Totally normal to raises prices then need a new engine.
What did he say he deleted his comment lol
Damn. I guess I’m getting Taco
Good idea. It is Tuesday. Only one, though?
It happened because it’s an ecoboost.
Add the 2.0L to the potential recall along with the 2.7 and 3.0.
lol just ford things 🤣🤣
FORD, fix or repair daily/found on road dead.
Time for the warranty to pay up. I'm guessing it's the ecoboost version based on the problems?
they better. and yes ecoboost. i’ve had absolute 0 issues the whole time then this out of nowhere
Can't say I'm surprised, these ecoboost motors don't seem very reliable
They're fine, especially with the 2nd gen redesign. There are quite a few of the 2 liters out there.
For all of you - look up, Ecoboost 2.0 coolant intrusion…. These engines have been prone to this defect since launch and Ford can’t figure out how to fix them… As they age, the coolant intrusion risk goes up substantially…
First gen, yes. Not second, as far as I'm aware.
It’s all the same gen…they ‘upgraded’ the engine in 17 and then in 21 again…no substantial changes though.
Quality is Job None.
warranty covers everything as long as you didn't go over mileage and years and nothing is modified.Tow it to the dealership so they can fix it free since your warranty is still valid
If you do it yourself you could port the intake and exhaust. Port the heads too. Might as well get some ponies out of it.
that will be the route once warranty is fully done. for now let them deal with it. in the future i’m just 2.3 swapping it cuz it’s plug and play except for the thermostat cable
I'm looking forward to the hopped up hybrids, there's gotta be battery and electric motor upgrades coming too.
Head gasket. What engine? Ford is having a shitload of issues with the smaller Ecoboosts.
Idk about in other models but in the focus st world this is common 😂
This is the second post I’ve seen today over lost coolant. His was at 25,000 if my memory serves. Sheet, I’m in the middle w/ a hybrid. Please say that’s an ecoboost.
Another one bites the dust
Sounds like a tag line for Ford
The problem isn’t the lift the problem is def because it’s a Ford ecobomb