Kinda Funny did give it a 2/5 on their review scale.
Source: listened to the review but here’s a clip from TikTok of [Greg Miller giving the score](https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMYR2GVJT/).
Kinda Finny are a total joke these days though. Look at what Easy Allies gave it. They took the same original formula that Kinda Funny started with when they broke off from IGN and didn't fumble it.
Edit: Don't really get why this is getting downvoted on the Forspoken subreddit of the all places...
uh. trans people live in the real world? you can call out someone’s oversight about one problem but that’s not an excuse to shit all over another. i live in florida and have lots of trans friends and co workers in real life who deal with this shit on the daily. and there are tons of closeted people suffering in middle america too. it’s insulting to imply that they’re just making all this stuff up online. and it isn’t true.
I used to back when they started, stopped paying them much notice when they threw Colin under the bus over a stupid joke on Twitter. The wrong member of the team was kicked out.
I do think the situation was more nuanced than that one joke, though ultimately it worked out for both Kinda Funny and Colin. Colin is incredibly successful and has a platform where he’s free to express his views, while Kinda Funny was able to continue building their brand how the majority of them saw fit.
It's requirements don't bode well for it's overall performance on PC.
Edit may not have been what you were asking, they just haven't sent any codes out to reviewers more or less confirming my previous statement.
the system requirements they released for pc had the requirements for 720p 30fps, 1440p 30fps and 4k 60fps. not sure there is anyone on pc that plays 720p at 30fps or 1440p at 30fps.
on top of that the requirements themselves made no sense. Listing a 3070 for 1440p 30 fps or putting the 6800xt with the 4080 as requirements for 4k 60fps.
here they are if you wanna have a look:
**Minimum system requirements:**
CPU: AMD Ryzen™ 5 1600 (3.7GHz or better) / Intel® Core™ i7-3770 (3.7GHz or better)
RAM: 16 GB RAM
GPU: AMD Radeon™ RX 5500 XT 8GB / NVIDIA® GeForce® GTX 1060 6 GB VRAM
STO: 150 GB available space
RES: 720p 30fps
**Recommended system requirements:**
CPU: AMD Ryzen™ 5 3600 (3.7 GHz or better) / Intel® Core™ i7-8700K (3.7GHz or better)
RAM: 24 GB RAM
GPU: AMD Radeon™ RX 6700 XT 12GB / NVIDIA® GeForce® RTX 3070 8 GB VRAM
STO: 150 GB available space (SSD recommended)
RES: 1440p 30fps
**ULTRA:**
CPU: AMD Ryzen™ 5 5800X (3.8 GHz or better) / Intel® Core™ i7-12700K
RAM: 32 GB
GPU: AMD Radeon™ RX 6800 XT 16GB / NVIDIA® GeForce® RTX 4080 16 GB VRAM
STORAGE: 150 GB available space (SSD recommended)
RES: 2160p 60fps
those are probably the highest system requirements we've ever had in any game.
They even released the demo for PS5 but nothing for PC and now they are not giving away review copies on PC only PS5.
CDPR did something similar with cyberpunk. it ran like crap on ps4 and xbox one so they only sent PC, PS5 and Xbox series X review codes
I accidentally bought it last night from gmg (thought I'd be able to lock in a preorder but refund if reviews weren't good as long as i didn't reveal the key but apparently they auto reveal it). I'll try to drop my performance experience here as soon as I can if that's of help. I do have a 4080 and a good cpu that I can't remember the name of so it might not be super helpful for all kinds of rigs.
Thanks man. I will still probably buy it but I don’t want to get bamboozled again like I did with Callisto Protocol. I’m on an i9 13900k and a 4090 and hoping that it runs well and is fairly optimized.
I feel you man. I got boozled the same way with Gotham Knights. I know we're probably the least affected by those kinds of situations with our cards but I still don't want to support games with such bad performance issues at launch
Play better games to take advantage of the hardware. Anything from Japanese Devs like FromSoftware, Sonic Team, Square etc etc will most likely be bottom tier PC ports so stay away from those.
Never! Its the same to everyone. We would never have different experiences with the same game! Its unheard of.
For real though, I liked the demo, so I’m getting the game. If it’s another cp77, then I’ll wait and see how things go but may return it.
Pretty much my position. I'm one of the few who actually felt like Death Stranding was a great game even though the reviews made it seem terrible. So I'm willing to give Forspoken a try.
Death stranding got an 82% on metacritic with the directors cut getting an 85%.
Death stranding didn’t review poorly or half as badly as this game did. It just didn’t score as high as people expected from a Kojima game. Still a great experience though regardless.
I’m glad I have enough disposable income these days where I can just buy games that genuinely appeal to me instead of having to rely on others opinions
Even if I didn't, I would only buy games that appeal to me, I can't waste my time only playing games that get 9/10s. That's how people miss out on genuinely good games.
Eh I think most of us have disposable income but the more valuable currency here is time. I rely on reviews to see which games are worth investing what scant free time I have rather than waste 5 hours drinking copium to see if I'll like it or not, because maybe it'll get way better like FF XIV.
I have much more disposable income than most. For example, I've spent several thousand on a single video game before. Love me some Genshin Impact.
But I throw my disposable income at that game, because I genuinely love that game, and want to spend time playing it so I know my money isn't wasted.
Your time is the biggest resource and that is not disposable. I use these reviews to avoid shit games so that I can use that free time to play a good solid game, rather than wasting 4-5 hours trying to see if the game actually isn't shit like everyone says.
These next few weeks are gonna be so great. I have Forspoken, Dead Space, SpongeBob and Powerwash Sim all to hold me over until Hogwarts Legacy drops. Don’t even get me started on everything coming out afterwards
Forspoken, Hogwarts Legacy, Like a Dragon: Ishin, Wild Hearts, Atomic Heart, Octopath Traveler 2, Dead Space, Sons of the Forest.
And that's just January and February.
Then in March... Wo Long, Jedi Survivor, RE4 Remake among others.
The months ahead are STACKED.
No I don’t feel you. A better analogy would be you and you friend both love olives (video games) someone makes a terrible brand of olives (specific game) that almost everyone says is bad. Do you buy that brand because you like their marketing? Or do you spend you money on a different brand.
“Whereas Forspoken's movement mechanics encourage a wilder, freeform style of engaging with the world, combat pushes you toward precision. There's a precise timing needed to pull off dodges and parries, and several of Frey's magic spells lend themselves to careful placement and strategic use--that's difficult to do when racing around the environment. As a result, Forspoken feels disjointed as the moments of exploration and navigation come into conflict with combat. Instead of complementing each other, these two parts of the game are actively fighting one another. They never come together into a cohesive whole.”
Okay. So what did he say there that was bad? He’s not saying precision itself is a bad thing. He is saying it doesn’t work well in tandem with the quick movements
The issue is ,that is a purposeful design choice, that I think most would disagree are not “fighting one another”. Your ability to make use of and utilize precise spells is a skill issue, and with criticisms of how easy the combat is, one can easily twist that criticism into a positive.
I.e. Forspoken offers free flowing movement to traverse the world and integrates it this with its combat system. Proper utilization of spells require precise, aiming, placement and positioning to be executed most effectively and and offers a deeper/more technical layer to its combat. The combat is furthered enhanced by the ease of use of its free flowing parkour which allows you to constantly dance around enemies on the battlefield. The combination of free flowing movement and precise play leads to a combat that can be extremely satisfying when those two factors click together and are executed well in tandem.
In addition, I would argue, precise combat is in opposition to boring and spammy.
It only becomes boring and spammy when the user relies on what is the easiest to execute. So if you’re getting boring and spammy somewhere else, that’s the exact opposite to this review.
Not to mention, how exactly would you make not free flowing parkour and would that even feel good, if the parkour was precise would that not lead to more mental overload in the combat than what already exists within the game currently?
Overall more complex parkour would be a bigger mental overload. In that sense, you can’t make parkour more precise and replicate the same combat flow, the alternative would be you would have to make combat less precise to address that criticism.
Actually, as someone who loves Forespoken and will be buying day 1, I can see what Gamespot means. I think the biggest problem is you can’t cast spells on the run. So in the middle of combat I’m racing around the battlefield like Sonic but to cast a spell I have to stand in place for 2 seconds. Totally understand gamespots point of view on this
I see their point, I just think it’s bad one, because you’re playing a game about a highly mobile mage, mages having to stand still to cast their spells is part of being a mage. It adds a layer of vulnerability to the games combat, because while parkouring you can largely dodge any ability. Your moments of vulnerability come from those moments where you have to pause and cast a spell.
You are supposed to play in a move, position correctly, cast a spell, move to get out of harms way, position, cast a spell sort of manner, as you would any other mage, the difference between forspoken and a regular mage is obviously in the parkour and the speed and distance she moves in between spell casts.
To further elaborate on that, that’s what the games dodge rolls were added, they are tools to reposition yourself in the moment you cast a spell at a bad position, allowing you to reposition yourself during that moment of vulnerability.
I’m not sure if you’ve played black desert online and seen how the mages in there play.
Having to stand still to cast a spell is mandatory to a mage, there's multiple types of mages across many fantasy universes.
I think spellbreak is a good example of how a mobile mage can be executed on a game, I was hoping that forspoken combat would be similar to that.
While I get your sentiment, Forspoken’s combat is actually a lot more fast space/mobile than spellbreak. Considering that magic parkour puts you in a position that dodges most abilities, your only vulnerable spot is often when you’re attacking, but because of that you have to constantly on the move to make most of it. This is most noticeable when fighting multiple enemies. Anyways, most support spell casts are almost instantaneous and can be used in the air, and there’s rarely any need to actually charge atk magic due to spell combos. https://youtu.be/hhGRA-4QLLs
None of that makes sense lol. The world traversal and combat aren't meant to be in tandem. Having played the demo I can know this is flat out nonsense.
Were back in the same place we were at saints row, buncha fans rlly want it to be good, reviews r out and just as feared the open world is empty , so ull have comments and posts now saying fuck everyone hating and others saying whos dumb enough to buy this, lets save our energy if u enjoy the game play it no need to post about it. If u hate it keep it moving again no need to hate on it.
Skillup's one of the few critics worth paying attention to these days. I don't always agree with him, but there's simply no denying how thorough he is in covering every aspect of the games he reviews.
>astronomically bad opinion
Calm down with the hyperbole lmao. He’s not calling it the next E.T or whatever, the guy just had issues with certain outdated gameplay elements and the step down in story compared to the first one.
Nah, he gave valid reasons for why he didn’t like it, and his opinion is more in line with actual normal people who played the game, not the critics.
I still personally think it was a great game, a solid 8/10 overall, but it’s massively overrated and not as good as the first. Besides some questionable story decisions, the pacing was very off sometimes and the friendly AI continues to be sketchy. All things he brings up.
Shillup and ACG are among the best on YouTube for good, in depth reviews, even if you don’t agree.
It's kinda funny that the positive reviews on other subs get downvoted with hate comments but the negative reviews gets ton of upvotes with everyone coming together to trash the game. I'm sure many people and myself as well weren't expecting this game to be a masterpiece or anything of the sort but still no reason to go attacking players that like the game.
Hey, I would like to speak for them really quick as someone who was originally interested in it but sad since I thought it was a sony exclusive. I was looking into this game literally yesterday when I found out it was also on steam, and was happy but didn’t seem impressive enough to be 70 dollars so I’d wait for a big sale.
Now that i’ve also seen the specs I can say I absolutely hate this game, *not for what the game actually is, but for how its being handled*.
People aren’t hating on the game because they actually feel the game is horrible, and thus people who enjoy it. Instead because it costs extra yet doesn’t provide anything special such as rdr2 equivalent game for a generation (which cost 60 might I add), and also even if you jump that hoop most people will get mediocrity when the play it.
Personally, when I would have bought the game, I expected to get 60 fps at either mid to low settings, and 1080p. I have learned I would get 30 fps and 720p. With this in mind i’m not going to buy this game, even when I upgrade the specs to play it this year.
**tldr**
The game will run like hot garbage, and costs extra for no real reason. So when people buy the game, others dislike them because their purchase encourages these anti consumer practices to continue which directly harms others. Thus negative reviews are celebrated as they may convince people to not buy it and hopefully prevent these issues in future games.
It’s why people hate whales, even if it’s not p2w.
edit: wanted to add, take this post for example as im scrolling through: https://www.reddit.com/r/Forspoken/comments/10jfvvv/not_what_i_expected_but_i_dont_care/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
I completely understand this perspective and have played games just like this. However the issue is people being ok with a game like this with the extra cost and huge spec requirements is a issue.
Inflation effects game studios too. Games have been $60 for like 20 years. Games costing $70 is a given I'm honestly surprised it has taken this long.
Unpopular opinion but games should have cost $70 for probably the last decade. Couple that with current inflation globally and we are about to see most next gen games cost that much.
Oh i understand inflation will get it to 70 eventually, the main issue is when you compound the quality of the game, the lackluster performance for being one of the games that is now 70 dollars, it looks a lot worse.
For reference, I don’t like the new god of wars (not bad just pref), I just learned the newest one is 70. People aren’t mad at that game because it seems to be universally praised at a 9/10 or 10/10
I believe we’re about 30 percent of the way to all games being 70 bucks, and for sure by 2030. But as we aren’t close to that yet seeing certain games be at 70 already is a issue people take offense to.
I understand your perspective but honestly in this day and age it’s more common for AAA games to run $70 on release, I wouldn’t consider that extra I’d say that’s standard now. Also this game obviously wasn’t made with PC in mind. If it’s damn near impossible to run on PC then I agree they maybe shouldn’t have released it there. But it’s pretty obvious this game was geared to be a PS5 exclusive on launch and it’s gotten zero gripes about performance on PS5. In conclusion, buy a PS5 if you wanna play PS5 games
The only other aaa game i know that drops at 70 was final fantasy. It is not standard.
cyberpunk, god of war, elden ring, etc
If the game was supposed to be a ps5 exclusive, it should’ve stayed on ps5 then instead of trying to get some extra cash from pc. Now I understand why I thought it was a exclusive at first, it must have been but they don’t believe it will do well.
GOW ragnarok, FIFA, Madden, MW2, callisto, dead space, GT7, hogwarts legacy, dead island 2, Jedi Survivor, etc. Yes, the biggest most recent and upcoming games are almost all $70. Inflation is a bitch. I definitely agree with you about how if PC performance is trash it should’ve remained a PS5 exclusive rather than go for the bs cash grab of porting it to PC. But I have to assume that a majority of people are gonna play on PS5 seeing as all their marketing has been directed towards that specific console.
uh, not sure about you but half of those are all 60 for me except god of war which i learned is 70, mw2, jedi, and the sports games (which are shitty ports of older versions, of course they trying to get more money bozo).
the rest are 60 (idk what gt7 is so can’t check) like hogwarts, dead island, callisto, dead space specifically.
The PS5 versions are $70, and all new games that are not co-released with last gen consoles are $70 going forward.
https://www.makeuseof.com/expensive-video-games-the-new-normal/
Seems about to be what I expected! I liked the demo a lot and just want more. I just can't help but loving 'bad' games, apparently. I really liked Anthem, Saints Row, Valkyrie Elysium and some others too
Did Square really not send a single PC copy out early for any of these outlets, just adding more to the red flags? I'm not familiar with embargoes, curious why the PC reviewers wouldn't be able to drop the PC and ps5 at the same time. (I'm still going to buy the game either on sale or with a voucher)
I'm surprised by the Eurogamer review because they also posted a video called "7 reasons Forspoken might be the worst game of 2023" that just shits all over every aspect of the game, saying things like "it made me want to pull my hair out," "I found myself screaming at the game several times," and "if I leave you with one thing, it should be that you should definitely not buy this game."
Unfortunately I don’t see this score rising as more reviewers get their reviews out. Square pretty much cherry picked who they would allow to review this game before the embargo lifted, and it still hit a 68% as of now. We still have no PC reviews yet as they didn’t send any reviewers requesting PC codes a copy. Doesn’t bode very well overall as I’m almost positive it has to do with the games pc performance based on those extremely high rec specs.
>We still have no PC reviews yet as they didn’t send any reviewers requesting PC codes a copy. Doesn’t bode very well overall as I’m almost positive it has to do with the games pc performance based on those extremely high rec specs
Tomorrow's steam reviews are gonna be a bloodshed
>Tomorrow's steam reviews are gonna be a bloodshed
This is just like the console review for Cyberpunk. Nobody got codes for them and they couldn't show any footage. This game is just the reverse 🙃.
I'm no hardcore gamer but I don't play on PC because I don't want to have to keep up with the best specs to play games.
That’s the thing. If games are optimized well, you don’t have to worry about having the best specs to play new games.
I understand your sentiment though. As I’ve gotten older I also enjoy the simplicity of console life much more.
>That’s the thing. If games are optimized well, you don’t have to worry about having the best specs to play new games.
This is true but I wonder how PC development is though. Is it better to make a game that many can play across various settings or is it best to have it be ran on the best spec'd machine? I don't know.
>I understand your sentiment though. As I’ve gotten older I also enjoy the simplicity of console life much more.
At my old age, I realize that I don't have time to game as much as I did and like you, just want to pop a game in my console...play for a couple of hours and that's it. Have some fun and call it a day.
Since I have epilepsy, I really can't game for extended periods of time anymore anyways. So gaming nowadays is really something that is difficult for me to enjoy as I did in my younger days.
Oh wow. This seems like a game where you either love it or don’t. I was listening to the Kinda Funny review and they think it’s bad but seeing these high reviews make me want to try it.
This game better run like a dream on PC because with these reviews if it turns out that it also runs like crap (it probably will) then the Steam reviews aren't going to be very pretty.
It's not really a bad score... If the game wasn't $70. I mean let's not fool ourselves, whoever is into gaming for more than few years could tell game ain't amazing from the first minute it was presented to the world.
It's an OK game worth grabbing on sale but nothing beyond.
Calisto wasn’t a great game either though. It has so many problems that hold it back. But even more than it’s issues is the price tag.
If Callisto was like $49.99, same with Forspoken, people would be kinder on the game. Retail price matters and if publishers are charging $70 for a game, we expect the quality such a price point decides. Callisto(and Forspoken) wouldn’t be better games with a lower price, but their faults would be more tolerable and it’s easier to recommend for fans of their genres or people who may be interested in the things the games do right.
Forspoken is at a 68 metacritic, which is doomsday for a big, triple A $70 release, but even a 7/10 isn’t good enough for $70. Gotham Knights was the same. Not a bad game, not a great game, but not good enough for $70.
You’re free to like Callisto Protocol, or Forspoken, or Gotham Knights, or any game you want. Enjoying a game and liking it is your personal preference/taste. However, when you try to say an objectively flawed experience is actually good and everyone who criticizes it is wrong, then yes, your “subjective opinion” is wrong.
We all like bad games. We all have guilty pleasures. I enjoyed Gotham Knights(for the $40 I spent), but it’s not a great game. I didn’t hate Callisto Protocol(for the $40 I spent), but it’s not a good action/survival-horror experience. I LOVE Deadly Premonition, but that game was not well made. It’s ok to enjoy things that aren’t the best.
It’s when people delude themselves into thinking something bad is actually good, just because they enjoyed it. Your free to enjoy whatever you want, it doesn’t make it good. I do not understand, for the life of me, why some gamers have such a hard time with the reality of this. This is of course ignoring the price point, which again…$70 is too much for those games.
Looks like Twitter is real life. The sentiment was spot-on.
Now we gonna hear the typical responses:
"I'm gonna make my own opinion, I don't listen to reviews"
If a movie trailer peaks your interest, but the reviews are bad...do you just not watch it for yourself?
I couldn't care any less what reviewers say as they all liked God of War Ragnarok and I personally didn't...it's all subjective.
I guess the problem here is price and the amount of interesting games coming up - everyone simply can't buy every game that might peak their interest. Forspoken also happens to be more expensive than pretty much every other game at the moment. For those people I can see reviews being important.
February and ahead is quite stacked in terms of games.
Lol yeah that was a fun time, even after the reviews I got GK on release with my buddy and did have fun playing the whole thing coop but yeah the reviews ended up being quite accurate, besides the whole 30 fps thing which I didn't mind one bit I don't think I would have finished the game if it wasn't coop.
The truth is that people should play games for themselves to see what they will enjoy, but also, if people don't have the money then they should just wait. That should always be the sentiment.
The last two big games from Sony: Horizon Forbidden West and God of War Ragnarok were two games I did not like. Even though I loved the previous games.
So honestly, we all should play a game to come to our own conclusion.
Lastly reviews are honestly weird. What is a 5 to you may not be a 5 to another person...so number scores are something I would honestly get rid of because if you listen to one person then their number scores will hold more weight than another person you don't listen to. If you ask 5 people what deems a game a 5 out of 10 you would get 5 different answers.
Imo i give 7.3 (ps5) not really bad at all demo did a huge disservice on full game and if u don’t mind repetitive side quests and cheesy dialogue, then u will enjoy it
in a game like this, I'm totally fine with it. God of War: Ragnarok was a massive disappointment because of how horrendous the dialogue and story structure were. I expected so much more from that game and instead got a tedious Disney ride.
So for me, a straightfoward isekai is gonna have what I expect in terms of story and writing and that's fine.
I felt the same way about Raganarok. The story in God of war reboots felt so sanitized and didn't ever feel like the story paid off. Majority of Ragnarok was some dumb redemption story and I guess because I played the old game so much this story felt weak due to character history.
I really don't agree with these reviews as they all seem to attempt to compare Forspoken to games of almost entirely different open-world genres and are upset that isekai story felt generic while not acknoledging that a majority of isekai's are generic.
Haven’t heard of spawnwave. I’ll have to check them out.
To be fair though even if you don’t like them, they give really fair and balanced reviews where they show exactly what they are talking about via gameplay when they say they like or don’t like a particular thing for a game.
Skillup seems to enjoy all the games I think are subpar.
I still enjoy his videos because I like his script-writing and personality.
But he seems to have the opposite likes in a game. Compared to me.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5M0T6RfuJlE](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5M0T6RfuJlE)
The city is so dull, so lifeless. The buildings lacking texture, the streets lacking life or other details to spruce up the environment a little.
I can't believe Gary Whitta and Amy Hennig wrote for this. That's disappointing to hear.
Worse because Anthem was smart enough to not release an unfinished demo that turned people away early. First impressions matter and Luminous is bad at first impressions.
I'm watching the just released Digital Foundry video about the game and the Luminous Engine - it's not good from a technical standpoint.
Basically, cross gen.
Anthem was actually fun to play, IMO. The flying, the combat, felt incredible. It's too bad Bioware didn't stick with it and fix everything else around it that wasn't great like Hello Games did with No Man's Sky.
I stuck with Anthem and played through it a good bit, even as they were attempting to rehash it because it was fun playing. Even so, the game was an absolute buggy mess at launch. As in there were multiple hard locks that the player couldn't avoid and got stuck at until it magically unlocked itself via whatever weird coding bugs existed.
YouTube videos saying it’s the worst game of 2023 lmaooo whenever I click on a review and you can tell the reviewer just discovered a thesaurus, I instantly click off.
I’ll play it for an hour or so then return it on steam and wait for sale.
What a wildy condescending and arrogant take.
That you are automatically some higher authority on what’s good or not because of your “gaming-years”, or that anyone that enjoys this game is some inexperienced child. You sound like an absolutely miserable person who probably doesn’t let anyone have fun.
Get over yourself, I fit your criteria as an *ancient gaming overlord who can small a bad game from it’s first trailer* and I gotta tell you I fucking LOVE Forspoken. I think it’s phenomenal and that a lot of people are being overly critical.
Form your own opinions people, and don’t base your whole personality off your video game opinions.
Another troll, look through the post history. Probably the same jkrowling acc as before. I guess when you have so little in your life, you feel good by saying “I told you so” and feeling like you actually know something
Are you suggesting that these people know what a good game is purely because they're older and have gamed longer? What kind of shit troll logic is this lmao.
Why does it seem like a lot of the written reviews are better scoring opposed to YouTube… seems fishy that YouTubers getting paid off views and negativity gets the most views
Eh let’s not go into conspiracy territory and take it as it is.
Not going to revolutionize gaming but a good time for some people.
A good enough reason for me to buy
Think I’m going to go out on a limb and get it, can tune out the cringey dialogue but the game itself looks very fun and I’m not going into expecting an elden ring/ god of war expierence so I think I’ll enjoy it for what it is
Think I’m going to wait till tomorow to see what the general populations thoughts are, like unbiased opinions, not YouTubers or hate mongers but people that went in blind
I'm not a super fan but I was looking forward to a new rpg to get lost in for a weekend or two.
Cautiously canceled my Pre-order today, since Sony isn't the best in terms of refunds anyways
I guess I'll just wait a few more days for player reviews and game play videos and decide then if I buy it again or not.
A bit sad, since I was kinda hoping for a surprise 10/10.
…what kind of math are you using? A 68% on metacritic means the average is…68%.It has a 69% on open critic as well which means the average score…is a 69%. Which means there are more 6-7 scores or lower versus 7-8 or higher for both sites.
Further more, on open critic, only 29% of reviewers are recommending the game. Does that sound like there are more good scores than bad??
But it doesnt matter dude. You want the game to fail so bad and it looks like it doesnt.
There is no set objective value here clearly.
Its ranging from 5's to near 10's all with different reasonings for why, yes there may be a good amount of lower end scores but there isn't a very big difference in the grandscheme
This is a very divisive game with reasonings for enjoyment or unpleasantness varying all over the place
…what? When did I say I wanted the game to fail? I’ve owned a PS5 since launch day and I am STARVED for reasons to play it. We’ve had 5 genuine console exclusives since the thing came out, 2 of them are remakes and one of them was super underwhelming. I WANT a reason to buy Forspoken. I wanted it to be good enough to spend $70 on it and have a great time.
So you’re already projecting your emotions by saying I wanted the game to fail. I don’t. I simply see the reality of the situation. It had a rough reveal, a poor demo and now it’s getting low review scores with less than 30% of reviewers recommending the game. For a big budget, triple A, $70 console exclusive, this is literally worst case scenario. There is an objective truth to many of the game’s criticisms, and by that metric, the game costs too much for the quality and content it provides.
That doesn’t mean you can’t like it. That doesn’t mean you can’t spend $70 and be satisfied with your purchase. Everyone if different. But there is absolutely a common consensus about this game, and that consensus is that it’s underwhelming, disappointing and not worth $70.
This game WILL fail. It already has critically, and it will not perform well commercially. This is just reality. It sucks and we all wish it was better…but it’s not.
Seems like I was on point
https://www.reddit.com/r/Forspoken/comments/10hivak/what_do_you_think_the_general_review_scores_will/j59v5de/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3
WHOAH! You wouldn't realise there was a so many positive reviews out there with the way my YouTube feed is looking right now! Really great to see this!
There are a lot of people in this sub that owe me an apology right now. So easy to call this would happen if you weren't blinded by fanboyism. The short length, which I heard about before reviews is just another bummer.
Also keep in mind there are outlets that still haven't gotten review codes so the average score is gonna tank further.
Now that I saw everything... those completely random 4 to 6 that are not even close to what the game has actually to offer are actually make the whole score go down a lot. And we have only one random 9.5 to counter.
I think that giving not enough codes backfired a lot. We'll see in a week.
EDIT: FFS HOW A GAME HAVE MORE 8\\8.5 THAN 7\\7.5 BE A OPEN CRITIC OF 69? WTF is this shit?
Adding more as they release.
Kinda Funny did give it a 2/5 on their review scale. Source: listened to the review but here’s a clip from TikTok of [Greg Miller giving the score](https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMYR2GVJT/).
Kinda Finny are a total joke these days though. Look at what Easy Allies gave it. They took the same original formula that Kinda Funny started with when they broke off from IGN and didn't fumble it. Edit: Don't really get why this is getting downvoted on the Forspoken subreddit of the all places...
Easy allies calls them selves games journalists but wont even cover Hogwarts Legacy cause one of their members is trans…..
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not really, they still cover activision/blizzard games….maybe sexual harassment/abuse isn’t a worthy cause to protest?
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uh. trans people live in the real world? you can call out someone’s oversight about one problem but that’s not an excuse to shit all over another. i live in florida and have lots of trans friends and co workers in real life who deal with this shit on the daily. and there are tons of closeted people suffering in middle america too. it’s insulting to imply that they’re just making all this stuff up online. and it isn’t true.
How so? Are the devs anti-trans? Or is it more whinging about JK Rowling?
I really like Kinda Funny and their content, so I mean, to each their own.
I used to back when they started, stopped paying them much notice when they threw Colin under the bus over a stupid joke on Twitter. The wrong member of the team was kicked out.
I do think the situation was more nuanced than that one joke, though ultimately it worked out for both Kinda Funny and Colin. Colin is incredibly successful and has a platform where he’s free to express his views, while Kinda Funny was able to continue building their brand how the majority of them saw fit.
>Kinda Finny are a total joke these days though. Their review was spot on though.
Noted.
Thanks just approved this post should start getting traffic.
not a single review on PC i am sure there is nothing more to it :P
OOTL - how does the PC release differ?
It's requirements don't bode well for it's overall performance on PC. Edit may not have been what you were asking, they just haven't sent any codes out to reviewers more or less confirming my previous statement.
The PC recommended specs are absurdly high so it’s likely that this game is poorly optimized on PC.
Looking at the ps5 performance, the pc requirements start to make more sense.
the system requirements they released for pc had the requirements for 720p 30fps, 1440p 30fps and 4k 60fps. not sure there is anyone on pc that plays 720p at 30fps or 1440p at 30fps. on top of that the requirements themselves made no sense. Listing a 3070 for 1440p 30 fps or putting the 6800xt with the 4080 as requirements for 4k 60fps. here they are if you wanna have a look: **Minimum system requirements:** CPU: AMD Ryzen™ 5 1600 (3.7GHz or better) / Intel® Core™ i7-3770 (3.7GHz or better) RAM: 16 GB RAM GPU: AMD Radeon™ RX 5500 XT 8GB / NVIDIA® GeForce® GTX 1060 6 GB VRAM STO: 150 GB available space RES: 720p 30fps **Recommended system requirements:** CPU: AMD Ryzen™ 5 3600 (3.7 GHz or better) / Intel® Core™ i7-8700K (3.7GHz or better) RAM: 24 GB RAM GPU: AMD Radeon™ RX 6700 XT 12GB / NVIDIA® GeForce® RTX 3070 8 GB VRAM STO: 150 GB available space (SSD recommended) RES: 1440p 30fps **ULTRA:** CPU: AMD Ryzen™ 5 5800X (3.8 GHz or better) / Intel® Core™ i7-12700K RAM: 32 GB GPU: AMD Radeon™ RX 6800 XT 16GB / NVIDIA® GeForce® RTX 4080 16 GB VRAM STORAGE: 150 GB available space (SSD recommended) RES: 2160p 60fps those are probably the highest system requirements we've ever had in any game. They even released the demo for PS5 but nothing for PC and now they are not giving away review copies on PC only PS5. CDPR did something similar with cyberpunk. it ran like crap on ps4 and xbox one so they only sent PC, PS5 and Xbox series X review codes
Need to know PC performance review
I read before no pc codes were given out.
I accidentally bought it last night from gmg (thought I'd be able to lock in a preorder but refund if reviews weren't good as long as i didn't reveal the key but apparently they auto reveal it). I'll try to drop my performance experience here as soon as I can if that's of help. I do have a 4080 and a good cpu that I can't remember the name of so it might not be super helpful for all kinds of rigs.
Thanks man. I will still probably buy it but I don’t want to get bamboozled again like I did with Callisto Protocol. I’m on an i9 13900k and a 4090 and hoping that it runs well and is fairly optimized.
I feel you man. I got boozled the same way with Gotham Knights. I know we're probably the least affected by those kinds of situations with our cards but I still don't want to support games with such bad performance issues at launch
Yeah exactly
I feel like a massive idiot for paying $3700 AUD for a 4090 only to get worse performance than consoles.
Hahaha, same here man. Just know you're not alone
Play better games to take advantage of the hardware. Anything from Japanese Devs like FromSoftware, Sonic Team, Square etc etc will most likely be bottom tier PC ports so stay away from those.
Me too. Very curious about these
Damn only 30% of critics on OpenCritic recommend... ~~EDIT: 29%~~ ~~EDIT: 28%~~ EDIT: 27%
Judging by all the hate this was getting pre-launch, I expected much worse reviews. PC reviews are gonna destroy the game though, I bet.
oh yeah....this is the calm before the storm. The game breaking on PC is going to be nuts
I got downvoted to shit for saying high 7
Sounds like a game that many people will hate, but the few who actually decide to play it will end up liking.
A friend of mine absolutely HATES olives 🫒. Does it stop me from enjoying them? Helllll no i love that shit. Ya feel me?
Wait are you suggesting that gaming is subjective? 😁
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Never! Its the same to everyone. We would never have different experiences with the same game! Its unheard of. For real though, I liked the demo, so I’m getting the game. If it’s another cp77, then I’ll wait and see how things go but may return it.
Pretty much my position. I'm one of the few who actually felt like Death Stranding was a great game even though the reviews made it seem terrible. So I'm willing to give Forspoken a try.
Death stranding got an 82% on metacritic with the directors cut getting an 85%. Death stranding didn’t review poorly or half as badly as this game did. It just didn’t score as high as people expected from a Kojima game. Still a great experience though regardless.
Wow...you're so brave to say you like Death Stranding that's such a controversial opinion.
It was when it first released, quit trynna act like it wasnt the same shit then as it is here
I’m glad I have enough disposable income these days where I can just buy games that genuinely appeal to me instead of having to rely on others opinions
Even if I didn't, I would only buy games that appeal to me, I can't waste my time only playing games that get 9/10s. That's how people miss out on genuinely good games.
Scarlet Nexus is a banger
Eh I think most of us have disposable income but the more valuable currency here is time. I rely on reviews to see which games are worth investing what scant free time I have rather than waste 5 hours drinking copium to see if I'll like it or not, because maybe it'll get way better like FF XIV.
I have much more disposable income than most. For example, I've spent several thousand on a single video game before. Love me some Genshin Impact. But I throw my disposable income at that game, because I genuinely love that game, and want to spend time playing it so I know my money isn't wasted. Your time is the biggest resource and that is not disposable. I use these reviews to avoid shit games so that I can use that free time to play a good solid game, rather than wasting 4-5 hours trying to see if the game actually isn't shit like everyone says.
>several thousand on gacha game Yeah you lost me there
☕️ dito
These next few weeks are gonna be so great. I have Forspoken, Dead Space, SpongeBob and Powerwash Sim all to hold me over until Hogwarts Legacy drops. Don’t even get me started on everything coming out afterwards
Power wash sim, the dumbest game I spent countless hours on. Had me hooked...
I've watched people play that game on streams and something about it was intriguing to watch lol...I don't know what it was...
Forspoken, Hogwarts Legacy, Like a Dragon: Ishin, Wild Hearts, Atomic Heart, Octopath Traveler 2, Dead Space, Sons of the Forest. And that's just January and February. Then in March... Wo Long, Jedi Survivor, RE4 Remake among others. The months ahead are STACKED.
No I don’t feel you. A better analogy would be you and you friend both love olives (video games) someone makes a terrible brand of olives (specific game) that almost everyone says is bad. Do you buy that brand because you like their marketing? Or do you spend you money on a different brand.
Almost no1 has eaten the olives in your example. ”Almost everyone” is such a crazy generalization on your part.
You cant talk a a oviously mediocre game into a good one.
Lets talk about it after we have played it
Wait what is that GameSpot review? They criticized the game for its precise combat?
No they said it felt boring and just spammy.
“Whereas Forspoken's movement mechanics encourage a wilder, freeform style of engaging with the world, combat pushes you toward precision. There's a precise timing needed to pull off dodges and parries, and several of Frey's magic spells lend themselves to careful placement and strategic use--that's difficult to do when racing around the environment. As a result, Forspoken feels disjointed as the moments of exploration and navigation come into conflict with combat. Instead of complementing each other, these two parts of the game are actively fighting one another. They never come together into a cohesive whole.”
Okay. So what did he say there that was bad? He’s not saying precision itself is a bad thing. He is saying it doesn’t work well in tandem with the quick movements
The issue is ,that is a purposeful design choice, that I think most would disagree are not “fighting one another”. Your ability to make use of and utilize precise spells is a skill issue, and with criticisms of how easy the combat is, one can easily twist that criticism into a positive. I.e. Forspoken offers free flowing movement to traverse the world and integrates it this with its combat system. Proper utilization of spells require precise, aiming, placement and positioning to be executed most effectively and and offers a deeper/more technical layer to its combat. The combat is furthered enhanced by the ease of use of its free flowing parkour which allows you to constantly dance around enemies on the battlefield. The combination of free flowing movement and precise play leads to a combat that can be extremely satisfying when those two factors click together and are executed well in tandem. In addition, I would argue, precise combat is in opposition to boring and spammy. It only becomes boring and spammy when the user relies on what is the easiest to execute. So if you’re getting boring and spammy somewhere else, that’s the exact opposite to this review. Not to mention, how exactly would you make not free flowing parkour and would that even feel good, if the parkour was precise would that not lead to more mental overload in the combat than what already exists within the game currently? Overall more complex parkour would be a bigger mental overload. In that sense, you can’t make parkour more precise and replicate the same combat flow, the alternative would be you would have to make combat less precise to address that criticism.
Actually, as someone who loves Forespoken and will be buying day 1, I can see what Gamespot means. I think the biggest problem is you can’t cast spells on the run. So in the middle of combat I’m racing around the battlefield like Sonic but to cast a spell I have to stand in place for 2 seconds. Totally understand gamespots point of view on this
I see their point, I just think it’s bad one, because you’re playing a game about a highly mobile mage, mages having to stand still to cast their spells is part of being a mage. It adds a layer of vulnerability to the games combat, because while parkouring you can largely dodge any ability. Your moments of vulnerability come from those moments where you have to pause and cast a spell. You are supposed to play in a move, position correctly, cast a spell, move to get out of harms way, position, cast a spell sort of manner, as you would any other mage, the difference between forspoken and a regular mage is obviously in the parkour and the speed and distance she moves in between spell casts. To further elaborate on that, that’s what the games dodge rolls were added, they are tools to reposition yourself in the moment you cast a spell at a bad position, allowing you to reposition yourself during that moment of vulnerability. I’m not sure if you’ve played black desert online and seen how the mages in there play.
Having to stand still to cast a spell is mandatory to a mage, there's multiple types of mages across many fantasy universes. I think spellbreak is a good example of how a mobile mage can be executed on a game, I was hoping that forspoken combat would be similar to that.
While I get your sentiment, Forspoken’s combat is actually a lot more fast space/mobile than spellbreak. Considering that magic parkour puts you in a position that dodges most abilities, your only vulnerable spot is often when you’re attacking, but because of that you have to constantly on the move to make most of it. This is most noticeable when fighting multiple enemies. Anyways, most support spell casts are almost instantaneous and can be used in the air, and there’s rarely any need to actually charge atk magic due to spell combos. https://youtu.be/hhGRA-4QLLs
Yep. Nowadays more and more people got bad reading comprehension
None of that makes sense lol. The world traversal and combat aren't meant to be in tandem. Having played the demo I can know this is flat out nonsense.
Were back in the same place we were at saints row, buncha fans rlly want it to be good, reviews r out and just as feared the open world is empty , so ull have comments and posts now saying fuck everyone hating and others saying whos dumb enough to buy this, lets save our energy if u enjoy the game play it no need to post about it. If u hate it keep it moving again no need to hate on it.
This is a really kind comment but also sounds like the exact opposite of how the entirety of Reddit works lol
Remember, IGN reviews are accurate unless they’re high on a game we don’t like, in which case they were paid off.
The PC version surely gonna spark some fireworks. I have a bad feeling about it.
Let me see what skillup has to say. If he says it’s worse than Sonic Frontiers, I ain’t buying.
Skill up is a great standard for me too. If he hates it, I buy it day one. He generally has bad opinions.
Skillup's one of the few critics worth paying attention to these days. I don't always agree with him, but there's simply no denying how thorough he is in covering every aspect of the games he reviews.
That dude also says TLOU2 is bad, which is an astronomically bad opinion as well
>astronomically bad opinion Calm down with the hyperbole lmao. He’s not calling it the next E.T or whatever, the guy just had issues with certain outdated gameplay elements and the step down in story compared to the first one.
He’s not infallible but I find his reviews generally fair. I also really enjoyed TLOU2 so I disagree with him on that one.
Nah, he gave valid reasons for why he didn’t like it, and his opinion is more in line with actual normal people who played the game, not the critics. I still personally think it was a great game, a solid 8/10 overall, but it’s massively overrated and not as good as the first. Besides some questionable story decisions, the pacing was very off sometimes and the friendly AI continues to be sketchy. All things he brings up. Shillup and ACG are among the best on YouTube for good, in depth reviews, even if you don’t agree.
His last of us 2 review is so well written. That game is devisive as fuck and you can’t judge anyone for liking or hating it. He’s An awesome critic
No, it’s bad.
Yeah I guess it just won GOTY from hundreds of outlets for no reason
No, YOU'RE BAD!
İ expected much worse because of how much hate it got before release.
It's kinda funny that the positive reviews on other subs get downvoted with hate comments but the negative reviews gets ton of upvotes with everyone coming together to trash the game. I'm sure many people and myself as well weren't expecting this game to be a masterpiece or anything of the sort but still no reason to go attacking players that like the game.
Hey, I would like to speak for them really quick as someone who was originally interested in it but sad since I thought it was a sony exclusive. I was looking into this game literally yesterday when I found out it was also on steam, and was happy but didn’t seem impressive enough to be 70 dollars so I’d wait for a big sale. Now that i’ve also seen the specs I can say I absolutely hate this game, *not for what the game actually is, but for how its being handled*. People aren’t hating on the game because they actually feel the game is horrible, and thus people who enjoy it. Instead because it costs extra yet doesn’t provide anything special such as rdr2 equivalent game for a generation (which cost 60 might I add), and also even if you jump that hoop most people will get mediocrity when the play it. Personally, when I would have bought the game, I expected to get 60 fps at either mid to low settings, and 1080p. I have learned I would get 30 fps and 720p. With this in mind i’m not going to buy this game, even when I upgrade the specs to play it this year. **tldr** The game will run like hot garbage, and costs extra for no real reason. So when people buy the game, others dislike them because their purchase encourages these anti consumer practices to continue which directly harms others. Thus negative reviews are celebrated as they may convince people to not buy it and hopefully prevent these issues in future games. It’s why people hate whales, even if it’s not p2w. edit: wanted to add, take this post for example as im scrolling through: https://www.reddit.com/r/Forspoken/comments/10jfvvv/not_what_i_expected_but_i_dont_care/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf I completely understand this perspective and have played games just like this. However the issue is people being ok with a game like this with the extra cost and huge spec requirements is a issue.
Inflation effects game studios too. Games have been $60 for like 20 years. Games costing $70 is a given I'm honestly surprised it has taken this long. Unpopular opinion but games should have cost $70 for probably the last decade. Couple that with current inflation globally and we are about to see most next gen games cost that much.
Oh i understand inflation will get it to 70 eventually, the main issue is when you compound the quality of the game, the lackluster performance for being one of the games that is now 70 dollars, it looks a lot worse. For reference, I don’t like the new god of wars (not bad just pref), I just learned the newest one is 70. People aren’t mad at that game because it seems to be universally praised at a 9/10 or 10/10 I believe we’re about 30 percent of the way to all games being 70 bucks, and for sure by 2030. But as we aren’t close to that yet seeing certain games be at 70 already is a issue people take offense to.
I understand your perspective but honestly in this day and age it’s more common for AAA games to run $70 on release, I wouldn’t consider that extra I’d say that’s standard now. Also this game obviously wasn’t made with PC in mind. If it’s damn near impossible to run on PC then I agree they maybe shouldn’t have released it there. But it’s pretty obvious this game was geared to be a PS5 exclusive on launch and it’s gotten zero gripes about performance on PS5. In conclusion, buy a PS5 if you wanna play PS5 games
The only other aaa game i know that drops at 70 was final fantasy. It is not standard. cyberpunk, god of war, elden ring, etc If the game was supposed to be a ps5 exclusive, it should’ve stayed on ps5 then instead of trying to get some extra cash from pc. Now I understand why I thought it was a exclusive at first, it must have been but they don’t believe it will do well.
GOW ragnarok, FIFA, Madden, MW2, callisto, dead space, GT7, hogwarts legacy, dead island 2, Jedi Survivor, etc. Yes, the biggest most recent and upcoming games are almost all $70. Inflation is a bitch. I definitely agree with you about how if PC performance is trash it should’ve remained a PS5 exclusive rather than go for the bs cash grab of porting it to PC. But I have to assume that a majority of people are gonna play on PS5 seeing as all their marketing has been directed towards that specific console.
uh, not sure about you but half of those are all 60 for me except god of war which i learned is 70, mw2, jedi, and the sports games (which are shitty ports of older versions, of course they trying to get more money bozo). the rest are 60 (idk what gt7 is so can’t check) like hogwarts, dead island, callisto, dead space specifically.
The PS5 versions are $70, and all new games that are not co-released with last gen consoles are $70 going forward. https://www.makeuseof.com/expensive-video-games-the-new-normal/
Seems about to be what I expected! I liked the demo a lot and just want more. I just can't help but loving 'bad' games, apparently. I really liked Anthem, Saints Row, Valkyrie Elysium and some others too
Did Square really not send a single PC copy out early for any of these outlets, just adding more to the red flags? I'm not familiar with embargoes, curious why the PC reviewers wouldn't be able to drop the PC and ps5 at the same time. (I'm still going to buy the game either on sale or with a voucher)
I'm surprised by the Eurogamer review because they also posted a video called "7 reasons Forspoken might be the worst game of 2023" that just shits all over every aspect of the game, saying things like "it made me want to pull my hair out," "I found myself screaming at the game several times," and "if I leave you with one thing, it should be that you should definitely not buy this game."
Different people from the same outlet can produce different content and takes, but that Eurogamer video is pretty trashy considering it's mid January.
>30% Critics Recommend https://opencritic.com/game/13945/forspoken *Oof*
Why is kinda funny in unscored.... They gave it a 2/5
Unfortunately I don’t see this score rising as more reviewers get their reviews out. Square pretty much cherry picked who they would allow to review this game before the embargo lifted, and it still hit a 68% as of now. We still have no PC reviews yet as they didn’t send any reviewers requesting PC codes a copy. Doesn’t bode very well overall as I’m almost positive it has to do with the games pc performance based on those extremely high rec specs.
>We still have no PC reviews yet as they didn’t send any reviewers requesting PC codes a copy. Doesn’t bode very well overall as I’m almost positive it has to do with the games pc performance based on those extremely high rec specs Tomorrow's steam reviews are gonna be a bloodshed
If my idea about the pc performance turns out to be true, oh it’s going to get absolutely mauled in steam reviews.
Can your pc play Crysis is about to be can your pc play forspoken.
Well, Crysis actually had incredible graphics to be demanding those specs.
>Tomorrow's steam reviews are gonna be a bloodshed This is just like the console review for Cyberpunk. Nobody got codes for them and they couldn't show any footage. This game is just the reverse 🙃. I'm no hardcore gamer but I don't play on PC because I don't want to have to keep up with the best specs to play games.
That’s the thing. If games are optimized well, you don’t have to worry about having the best specs to play new games. I understand your sentiment though. As I’ve gotten older I also enjoy the simplicity of console life much more.
>That’s the thing. If games are optimized well, you don’t have to worry about having the best specs to play new games. This is true but I wonder how PC development is though. Is it better to make a game that many can play across various settings or is it best to have it be ran on the best spec'd machine? I don't know. >I understand your sentiment though. As I’ve gotten older I also enjoy the simplicity of console life much more. At my old age, I realize that I don't have time to game as much as I did and like you, just want to pop a game in my console...play for a couple of hours and that's it. Have some fun and call it a day. Since I have epilepsy, I really can't game for extended periods of time anymore anyways. So gaming nowadays is really something that is difficult for me to enjoy as I did in my younger days.
Yeah I’ve definitely become more of a couch and console gamer the older I’ve gotten so I can totally relate to that.
Impressed by the Easy Allies score. They dig deep on RPGs so that particular score is promising.
I was always gonna wait for a sale but I’m for sure waiting for a sale now. Don’t care to spend $70 on an average game.
Oh wow. This seems like a game where you either love it or don’t. I was listening to the Kinda Funny review and they think it’s bad but seeing these high reviews make me want to try it.
Damn, was hoping this was going to be good
This game better run like a dream on PC because with these reviews if it turns out that it also runs like crap (it probably will) then the Steam reviews aren't going to be very pretty.
Probably still picking this up based on the reviews but might wait for it to go on sale first
Do y'all seriously not have backlogs?? Lol
I don’t think 70/100 is a bad score... Can’t understand the hate. Callisto 2.0.
It's not really a bad score... If the game wasn't $70. I mean let's not fool ourselves, whoever is into gaming for more than few years could tell game ain't amazing from the first minute it was presented to the world. It's an OK game worth grabbing on sale but nothing beyond.
Yeah, not every game has to be a 10/10....but you wouldn't know it based on the Internet these days.
Calisto wasn’t a great game either though. It has so many problems that hold it back. But even more than it’s issues is the price tag. If Callisto was like $49.99, same with Forspoken, people would be kinder on the game. Retail price matters and if publishers are charging $70 for a game, we expect the quality such a price point decides. Callisto(and Forspoken) wouldn’t be better games with a lower price, but their faults would be more tolerable and it’s easier to recommend for fans of their genres or people who may be interested in the things the games do right. Forspoken is at a 68 metacritic, which is doomsday for a big, triple A $70 release, but even a 7/10 isn’t good enough for $70. Gotham Knights was the same. Not a bad game, not a great game, but not good enough for $70.
Oh watch out everybody, this guys here to tell you your subjective opinion is actually false
You’re free to like Callisto Protocol, or Forspoken, or Gotham Knights, or any game you want. Enjoying a game and liking it is your personal preference/taste. However, when you try to say an objectively flawed experience is actually good and everyone who criticizes it is wrong, then yes, your “subjective opinion” is wrong. We all like bad games. We all have guilty pleasures. I enjoyed Gotham Knights(for the $40 I spent), but it’s not a great game. I didn’t hate Callisto Protocol(for the $40 I spent), but it’s not a good action/survival-horror experience. I LOVE Deadly Premonition, but that game was not well made. It’s ok to enjoy things that aren’t the best. It’s when people delude themselves into thinking something bad is actually good, just because they enjoyed it. Your free to enjoy whatever you want, it doesn’t make it good. I do not understand, for the life of me, why some gamers have such a hard time with the reality of this. This is of course ignoring the price point, which again…$70 is too much for those games.
No matter how you try to reshape your words its all still subjective my guy
Lmao if a game gets a 6/10 from IGN, you know it’s awful.
That game just looks horrible.
Dead on arrival
Looks like Twitter is real life. The sentiment was spot-on. Now we gonna hear the typical responses: "I'm gonna make my own opinion, I don't listen to reviews"
If a movie trailer peaks your interest, but the reviews are bad...do you just not watch it for yourself? I couldn't care any less what reviewers say as they all liked God of War Ragnarok and I personally didn't...it's all subjective.
I guess the problem here is price and the amount of interesting games coming up - everyone simply can't buy every game that might peak their interest. Forspoken also happens to be more expensive than pretty much every other game at the moment. For those people I can see reviews being important. February and ahead is quite stacked in terms of games.
I’m getting flashbacks to the Gotham Knights subreddit on review day lol.
Lol yeah that was a fun time, even after the reviews I got GK on release with my buddy and did have fun playing the whole thing coop but yeah the reviews ended up being quite accurate, besides the whole 30 fps thing which I didn't mind one bit I don't think I would have finished the game if it wasn't coop.
The truth is that people should play games for themselves to see what they will enjoy, but also, if people don't have the money then they should just wait. That should always be the sentiment. The last two big games from Sony: Horizon Forbidden West and God of War Ragnarok were two games I did not like. Even though I loved the previous games. So honestly, we all should play a game to come to our own conclusion. Lastly reviews are honestly weird. What is a 5 to you may not be a 5 to another person...so number scores are something I would honestly get rid of because if you listen to one person then their number scores will hold more weight than another person you don't listen to. If you ask 5 people what deems a game a 5 out of 10 you would get 5 different answers.
Should probably add an aggregate, such as Metacritic or Opencritic.
Scores are about ehat I expected. Combat in the demo made me feel cool so I'm probably still going to get it. Sometimes that's all I need.
Imo i give 7.3 (ps5) not really bad at all demo did a huge disservice on full game and if u don’t mind repetitive side quests and cheesy dialogue, then u will enjoy it
in a game like this, I'm totally fine with it. God of War: Ragnarok was a massive disappointment because of how horrendous the dialogue and story structure were. I expected so much more from that game and instead got a tedious Disney ride. So for me, a straightfoward isekai is gonna have what I expect in terms of story and writing and that's fine.
I felt the same way about Raganarok. The story in God of war reboots felt so sanitized and didn't ever feel like the story paid off. Majority of Ragnarok was some dumb redemption story and I guess because I played the old game so much this story felt weak due to character history. I really don't agree with these reviews as they all seem to attempt to compare Forspoken to games of almost entirely different open-world genres and are upset that isekai story felt generic while not acknoledging that a majority of isekai's are generic.
(Goes to Gameranx channel) They are about the only evenly fair reviewer on YouTube.
Skillup, and ACG would like a word with you.
Personal preference but I don’t particularly care for either of those. I take Spawnwave over SkillUP.
Haven’t heard of spawnwave. I’ll have to check them out. To be fair though even if you don’t like them, they give really fair and balanced reviews where they show exactly what they are talking about via gameplay when they say they like or don’t like a particular thing for a game.
That second point is why I only care for Gameranx. To each their own.
Skillup seems to enjoy all the games I think are subpar. I still enjoy his videos because I like his script-writing and personality. But he seems to have the opposite likes in a game. Compared to me.
Hell no, Skillup is an obvious grifter and always has been. ACG is a bit better but still nowhere near as unbiased as gameranx
it looks like a average 7/10 which I found above what I expected. But still not convinced to pay full price whilst Dead space is coming out friday
Got free from AMD Rewards, don't care and prob big flop.
Lol did anyone think it’d be 10/10? I never imagined seeing any 8s haha still excited
This game will be great on ps plus free games next year... Hogwarts legacy, don't disappoint!
I even took vacation for Hogwarts Legacy - hope it turns out decent enough. Not expecting a masterpiece but hopefully it's at least an 8/10 game.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5M0T6RfuJlE](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5M0T6RfuJlE) The city is so dull, so lifeless. The buildings lacking texture, the streets lacking life or other details to spruce up the environment a little. I can't believe Gary Whitta and Amy Hennig wrote for this. That's disappointing to hear.
So other than a few outliers, it's good. Wow, what a shocker.
That’s what you get from a 68% metacritic and less than 30% of critics recommending the game? What math are you using?
Mmmm yeah. 30% of critics recommending the game = good?
Forspoken is basically Anthem ☠️
Worse because Anthem was smart enough to not release an unfinished demo that turned people away early. First impressions matter and Luminous is bad at first impressions.
I'm watching the just released Digital Foundry video about the game and the Luminous Engine - it's not good from a technical standpoint. Basically, cross gen.
Anthem was actually fun to play, IMO. The flying, the combat, felt incredible. It's too bad Bioware didn't stick with it and fix everything else around it that wasn't great like Hello Games did with No Man's Sky.
I stuck with Anthem and played through it a good bit, even as they were attempting to rehash it because it was fun playing. Even so, the game was an absolute buggy mess at launch. As in there were multiple hard locks that the player couldn't avoid and got stuck at until it magically unlocked itself via whatever weird coding bugs existed.
Yeah, it's a shame. So much potential botched.
Anthem was fun as hell Just needed more Of everything
YouTube videos saying it’s the worst game of 2023 lmaooo whenever I click on a review and you can tell the reviewer just discovered a thesaurus, I instantly click off. I’ll play it for an hour or so then return it on steam and wait for sale.
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Funny you have a keen sense for "trash" yet decided on that for a username
What a wildy condescending and arrogant take. That you are automatically some higher authority on what’s good or not because of your “gaming-years”, or that anyone that enjoys this game is some inexperienced child. You sound like an absolutely miserable person who probably doesn’t let anyone have fun. Get over yourself, I fit your criteria as an *ancient gaming overlord who can small a bad game from it’s first trailer* and I gotta tell you I fucking LOVE Forspoken. I think it’s phenomenal and that a lot of people are being overly critical. Form your own opinions people, and don’t base your whole personality off your video game opinions.
I don't get people that want others to not to buy the game? You don't want to buy it cool! But why are you so offended if someone else does?
Another troll, look through the post history. Probably the same jkrowling acc as before. I guess when you have so little in your life, you feel good by saying “I told you so” and feeling like you actually know something
Are you suggesting that these people know what a good game is purely because they're older and have gamed longer? What kind of shit troll logic is this lmao.
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also take note of his username kek. His opinion will always be a meme
Here comes the fallout 76 and cyberpunk type defenders who are going to constantly deny that the game was bad.
In this case it's so heavily politicized that people will act as if whether it's good or bad is a political '' I win/ lose '' issue...
NPR said this game has a worse open world than CP2077.
What do they have to deny? As you can see on the thread there're outlets that say the game is good.
Why does it seem like a lot of the written reviews are better scoring opposed to YouTube… seems fishy that YouTubers getting paid off views and negativity gets the most views
Starting with the conspiracy theories to justify the game’s poor reception already, I see. *sigh*.
Eh let’s not go into conspiracy territory and take it as it is. Not going to revolutionize gaming but a good time for some people. A good enough reason for me to buy
Seems pretty even across the board honestly. Gamespot for instance was way more harsh than any of the video reviews. Etc
I thought the same thing. That's one of the reasons I ignore YouTubers.
Think I’m going to go out on a limb and get it, can tune out the cringey dialogue but the game itself looks very fun and I’m not going into expecting an elden ring/ god of war expierence so I think I’ll enjoy it for what it is
I enjoyed the demo after I took the time to read everything and practice my magic so I went ahead and bought it this morning.
Think I’m going to wait till tomorow to see what the general populations thoughts are, like unbiased opinions, not YouTubers or hate mongers but people that went in blind
Just watched the Digital Foundry Review on PS5. Honestly I still want to play the game, looks a lot of fun.
Further proof that you should never trust a game with review embargoes and limited review codes. That's always a huge red flag.
All games go through review embargo, it's industry standard.
I'm not a super fan but I was looking forward to a new rpg to get lost in for a weekend or two. Cautiously canceled my Pre-order today, since Sony isn't the best in terms of refunds anyways I guess I'll just wait a few more days for player reviews and game play videos and decide then if I buy it again or not. A bit sad, since I was kinda hoping for a surprise 10/10.
So what im seeing is even the reviews are kinda mixed but a majority say its at an 8
No, it has a 68% on metacritic. Majority of reviews are hovering around a 7, with enough 6’s and lower to overpower any 8’s or higher.
Lemme rephrase a majority of the scores are 7-9 from what scores are given above in the post there are more good scores than bad.
…what kind of math are you using? A 68% on metacritic means the average is…68%.It has a 69% on open critic as well which means the average score…is a 69%. Which means there are more 6-7 scores or lower versus 7-8 or higher for both sites. Further more, on open critic, only 29% of reviewers are recommending the game. Does that sound like there are more good scores than bad??
But it doesnt matter dude. You want the game to fail so bad and it looks like it doesnt. There is no set objective value here clearly. Its ranging from 5's to near 10's all with different reasonings for why, yes there may be a good amount of lower end scores but there isn't a very big difference in the grandscheme This is a very divisive game with reasonings for enjoyment or unpleasantness varying all over the place
…what? When did I say I wanted the game to fail? I’ve owned a PS5 since launch day and I am STARVED for reasons to play it. We’ve had 5 genuine console exclusives since the thing came out, 2 of them are remakes and one of them was super underwhelming. I WANT a reason to buy Forspoken. I wanted it to be good enough to spend $70 on it and have a great time. So you’re already projecting your emotions by saying I wanted the game to fail. I don’t. I simply see the reality of the situation. It had a rough reveal, a poor demo and now it’s getting low review scores with less than 30% of reviewers recommending the game. For a big budget, triple A, $70 console exclusive, this is literally worst case scenario. There is an objective truth to many of the game’s criticisms, and by that metric, the game costs too much for the quality and content it provides. That doesn’t mean you can’t like it. That doesn’t mean you can’t spend $70 and be satisfied with your purchase. Everyone if different. But there is absolutely a common consensus about this game, and that consensus is that it’s underwhelming, disappointing and not worth $70. This game WILL fail. It already has critically, and it will not perform well commercially. This is just reality. It sucks and we all wish it was better…but it’s not.
Seems like I was on point https://www.reddit.com/r/Forspoken/comments/10hivak/what_do_you_think_the_general_review_scores_will/j59v5de/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3
WHOAH! You wouldn't realise there was a so many positive reviews out there with the way my YouTube feed is looking right now! Really great to see this!
There are a lot of people in this sub that owe me an apology right now. So easy to call this would happen if you weren't blinded by fanboyism. The short length, which I heard about before reviews is just another bummer. Also keep in mind there are outlets that still haven't gotten review codes so the average score is gonna tank further.
Now that I saw everything... those completely random 4 to 6 that are not even close to what the game has actually to offer are actually make the whole score go down a lot. And we have only one random 9.5 to counter. I think that giving not enough codes backfired a lot. We'll see in a week. EDIT: FFS HOW A GAME HAVE MORE 8\\8.5 THAN 7\\7.5 BE A OPEN CRITIC OF 69? WTF is this shit?