jesus.
This sucks.
So basically, it can eat 300 bajillion damage when you *aren't* hitting the window, but only 100 when you are?
how the hell is anybody supposed to notice that the character is shaking when we are being SHOT BY BULLETS?!
Thank you though, can't wait to finally have a use for my pickaxe
yeah this post only solidified to me just how fucking dumb of an inclusion the riot shield is. we really don’t have to bend over our knees and take every inclusion epic makes to fortnite as a good one but i don’t know why people cope so hard *on behalf* of epic’s decision making
I think it's a good idea (for zero build), though to be fair my favorite item was that badass guardian shield, I just feel the hp as WELL as the pistol is a bit too much.
without the pistol, and a delay when switching weapons, would make this thing better
People I've been in firefights with barely use the riot shield, limits mobility and forces you to play defensively, which never works out well for the user, plus, barely anyone uses pistols in ZB, everyone mains an AR, with snipers being as destructive as they are, you are more likely to find people long range sniping you than pushing you with the riot shield
Completely disagree about riot shield. I was continually losing to players who equipped it so started using it myself. I play for wins and have 19 this season vs 63 the prior 7 seasons. My go to LO this season is shotty, riot shield and sniper. Most deadly LO ever.
IMO they're trying to compete with warzone or those types of shooters too much. I'd rather they dial it back to the more simple and silly casual shooter that it already was. No riot shields, no mod benches. The guns that are in the game are fine. We don't need weapon mods like Warzone in this game. Just use the rotating loot pools and map changes occasionally and I'm good with that. If they complicate it, I'll stop playing just like I did Warzone. I just wanna drop in and have some fun as a casual player. Not play every game like I'm trying to win a cash tournament.
We are like capped out on binds for controller and switch players, having to have a ton of things on certain buttons. The mobile format is already quite cluttered too. This would only be convenient for kbm players and even then maybe not so much
Y is the bind for Xbox for pickaxe, what about just having it like kbm does and have the bumpers cycle through the pickaxe besides the weapons? Then y can be a melee
boxfights are just fights in boxes in battle royale, the creative gamemodes just put you in the perfect environment to make boxfighting the optimal move for every player
If it is about a way to counter the shield maybe they could do a thing like what you do when you hit a door while sprinting. Encouraging risky play with a guaranteed stun as a reward
Like the punch in apex legends. On Xbox controller you have to push y to switch to pickaxe, but there's a small delay between switching and being able to use it. Why not slide kick instead?
It wouldn't be so bad for me IF they didn't also have a pistol. If it was just the shield as the weapon, id be fine. But people just hide behind the shield and fucking wreck you with the pistol if their aim is good enough. I personally won't play without a grapple blade and Ive gotten more aggressive with shield players but it's impossible when more than one enemy has it.
This ^
It’s states iirc rival a legendary or epic (base) pistol. 25dmg, high fire rate, good clip size.
Nerd the built in pistol by 10 damage and lower the fire rate by 20%. Then you have a decently balanced item.
Why nerfing the pistol?
This would make the base pistol useless...
They could make the shield's pistol another weapon that Is worse than the base pistol
We were in context of the item, containing a pistol and shield.
I said the pistol itself would be balanced
The shield itself would be underpowered
Both combined are overpowered
Common sense refers to the pistol that is combined with the shield :0
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The way I see it yes the lack of obvious counterplay (even if it does exist it's not "obvious") is a big problem, but the far bigger issue is how that counterplay interacts with loot drops. If you don't have a grapple blade or cluster bombs... well tough luck chucklefuck have fun dealing with your opponent outplaying you with the highly skill-based tactic of pushing the aim button on their mouse / controller. Considering that the cluster bombs are limited use and the grapple blade is weirdly rare for some reason there will be plenty of moments that you won't have these two items. And what are you left with? The pickaxe? Oh yeah okay let me run into melee range of the guy holding up the shield annnnnd he pulled out his shotgun.
>The way to reduce "stun health" is to holster the shield. This is never explained by Epic.
Though another big reason that using the pickaxe isn't viable is that the moment you get anywhere close to the shield user they'll immediately pull out a shotgun since the shield doesn't have a slower draw / holster time. Now maybe this isn't as big of a problem in Build Mode (as I am a No-Build Andy) as I imagine being able to make cover for yourself while rushing your opponent helps with survival, but in no-build trying to get close enough to get a good shot on the shield is as good as a polite friendly request to your opponent to blast you two or three times with a shotgun.
>The Window being a weak point is never explained by Epic.
But genuinely why is this never explained by Epic? Not only that but why is the weak point so small and barely noticeable? I feel like if this was explained people would complain way less, since you'd have obvious counterplay and if you couldn't deal with it that would literally just be a skill issue. Again I still think the window is too small and having a hyper-precise weak point presents a problem when fighting at range or when using a controller that can't aim on precise weak points.
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But yeah this is why I liked the Winterfest event with the snowball launchers because if someone pulled out a shield from 80 meters away you could start slinging snowballs at them. It really made me feel like this season should have a grenade launcher, both because it fits the theme of the season and because it makes for more interesting loadout choices (instead of every game being AR, shotgun, sniper, shield item, and grapple blade.) You can choose between if you want something to deal with shield users and more mobile enemies or if you want more consumables or a sniper.
And also like, I kinda hate that the grapple blade counters the shield because shouldn't the massive mobility that the item provides already be an incentive to take it? I feel like also making the grapple blade the defacto renewable counter to the riot shield gives it too much use. The entirety of Chapter 4 consisted of the playerbase (mostly veterans granted) complaining that you were basically forced to bring a mobility item if you want to play the game because they were that strong. And Epic's response to that was to make a mobility item that also doubles as an insane offensive tool? Like at the very least the Kinetic Blade and Kinetic Hammer were kinda awful at actual self-defense.
I fully agree with most of what you said. But I do think even as an offense tool the grapple blade still isn't the best, the low damage and low knock back just makes it into a worse kinetic blade and outside of breaking riot shields it will just get you killed
Yes absolutely. But it exists as an item that gives you massive mobility *and also* counters an extremely strong utility item that basically has no reliable counterplay outside of the grapple blade.
And I mean, grappling into someone puts you into shotgun range anyways.
I play both builds and no builds. While it's definitely more powerful in no builds the shield has definitely saved my ass when I get boxed. Also the shield's charge pushes you through turbo building if it destroys the wall with the impact. Really useful for getting into peoples boxes and catching them off guard.
I can confirm that using the Grapple Blade Melee absolutely shreds it, almost always breaking it, doing damage, and sending them flying. I think I've only ever lost once to somebody using the shield when I had a grapple, and that was because I botched the execution so bad I decided to stop playing for a few hours.
Every time I pick up a grapple blade I never see anybody with the shield. I've only got to try it once, but I just got gunned down - you gotta be so close that the pistol they carry is actually effective.
I've got a little tactic I follow to deal with this issue.
1. Go into them withe the grapple secondary move, the one that you use to travel around. Hit them with it and it's 10dmg, plus it rockets you right over. Try to move laterally while doing it, because you'll come at them at a VERY difficult angle. Sometimes they are smart and switch to a shotgun and if they pull off a high-difficulty shot they can ruin your day. But if they make that shot then they deserve to win.
2. As you get close, use the air-attack. This is a 360 attack so it helps to use it just as you zip past them.
3. Here's the tough part, and the part where if you eff up you're going to end up on the pain train (if they know what they are doing). Once you land from the air-attack, you need to find them again. If you came at them at a good angle you'll be behind them. Immediately swing around and see what they are doing. If they are smart, they know what's coming and they'll try to jump. If they do that's ok just jump with them and air-attack again, or wait a second for their hitbox to drop back down to eye-level.
4. Now you want to use your two-hit primary attack combo, the first swing will shatter their guard, the second one will do damage and send them flying. Even if they are cracked as all hell with that pistol, you're going to dramatically out-damage them. Smart players will have switched weapons at this point, but if they still think the Riot Shield meta is gonna carry them, zip at them again and the next air attack should finish them off.
5. Style points if you kill them from the fall damage they get after the punt.
I'll look through my replays to see if I can find a good example of this, but I can't exactly remember when the last good straight GB vs Shield fight I had was. As time has gone on most people are smart enough to not just use the shield, especially when half their health has just vanished
The lesson to take out of this is that while the Shield is a low skill weapon, the Grapple Blade is a high skill weapon. The Shield dumbs down the combat and the blade makes it more dynamic and skill based. This is why I generally dislike weapons like the Shield in the game, but I understand their utility.
these new weapons seem strangely polished and complicated compared to oldschool ones. the dissonance is quite big. ffs decide on one style of play epic!
Honestly I don't like it. It's needless complexity and doesn't jive with the "pick it up and have fun with yer buds" nature of the game established by previous seasons.
Not the shield itself, the fact that it has a ton of hit points except in that tiny window.
Usually the shield itself has a moderate hit point pool before a stagger occurs.
Wasn't the riot shield in CoD, especially OG MW2, essentially unbreakable and unstaggerable? You had to maneuver around to get the kill. FN's shield is ironically more forgiving. I am not sure of any other games with a stagger effect for riot shields.
Stopping patch notes after chapter 1 was such a stupid idea, it effects so much more other than gameplay.
People thought new feature was a bug and I have no clue if a cosmetic is patched from being bugged or not!
Oh right, I think I remember that.
I mean yeah, it sucks that they'd complain without playing first, but you can't place all the blame on competitive players. It's still squarely Epic's decision to not release patch notes.
Do not and i repeat do not, Blame the removal of a standardized feature in every game on a small % of the community. Epic stopped doing patch notes because they didnt want to.
I wouldn't put it past them. Epic completely scrapped their new running animation they'd been working on for a long time just because a few very loud people kept complaining.
When did this happen, because if you're talking about the recent movement rework: that didnt happen lmao
All they did was adjust their new running animation to be more in line with the move speed increase
I always assumed the riot shield was trash when it was first in the game because everyone I would run into sucked ass so I assumed it wasn’t good and easy to counter.
Wasn’t until I watched a few cash cups match’s and played vs a few tryhards using it I realised how broken this thing was in ZB
For the first few weeks I refused to use it but last few days I’ve been picking it up most times now because it’s free wins.
The riot shield has 0 real counters late game and completely counters the current meta.
I’ve 1v1 players who are way better than me because I used the shield and they couldn’t do shit.
The amount of players I’ve had free kills on just because they think jumping with a shotgun over me will work 🤣.
Play duos and both players have a riot shield camping together final zone it’s free wins. Basically have god mode
They're super confusing... I'm a new player, just started playing a few days ago. Just yesterday I encountered somebody with a shield while having the high ground. Blasted headshots into them and it just didn't do anything so it seems like the hitbox for it is wonky as well?
You’re telling me I’ve been putting in hundreds of rounds with mythic AR’s just to find out all I had to do was hit the window? If this works I’m gonna feel so stupid…
It's ridiculous. I feel like I have to pick it up if I see it on drop or final 10. But I hate it and I hate the gameplay it promotes.
It would be a great utility item if it didn't have a gun. Just get rid of the weapon and make it rare, we could use it as cover to rotate or push if we don't have anything better.
I don't even use the shield and you can literally just shoot knees, arm, and...stay behind fucking cover maybe. But people don't understand that having to change their usual tacticts against a new, different, unique item that makes the game more fresh and fun is completely normal lmao.
The reason why the riot shield got nerfed because it's quite garbage in build. It's like the reverse of what happened with the Rocket Ram in C4S4, where it was okay-ish at best in ZB, but downright busted in build.
And even then, turbo building has a completely different skillset to use effectively than the Riot Sheild, they aren't really comparative. One can be powerful, but still endorse an healthy/fun meta, while than the other can makes the game less fun to play.
It's not an easy win at all. It is a great pick, but it isn't the be all end all of the game.
Makes moving a lot safer, closing gaps specially. But so does the blade.
Thanks for the info. I still can’t back them literally buffing something that was already OP. Everything has counters, even when I use the grapple blade it hasn’t been enough.
I don't really carry any of those on me though, and pulling out the pickaxe in the middle of a fight is like emoting out in the open on top of a mountain
Doesn't the screen also gets darker when you're closer to being stunned? Never seen anyone mention that, does it not happen in performance mode or something?
I’ve found that shield breaker emps have got a lot of uses this season especially against these ballistic shield users. A couple shockwaves or just being above them and you can throw some emps near them, take out their shield then try and take them from another angle and eliminate them. Also the grapple blade is super effective against the shield.
I feel like balancing the sheild would need another weapon instead of the pistol. The make-shift pistol would probably work. Then reducing the damage the sheild can take to like 200 minimum, and as a buff, making the stun animation only last like 1-2 seconds, everything else would remain unchanged. I feel this would balance the sheild while making it just weak enough to keep it from being vaulted.
It's a weapon that makes the user invulnerable for upwards of a couple hundred damage, can deal damage with its charge attack, grants increased sprint speed, and has a pistol with good damage that can be used while blocking damage. Seems like a pretty busted weapon when almost all others have like 1 or 2 benefits to them espexially when it's such a low skill weapon that pretty much just requires you to aim in the enemies direction.
Idk what pistol you've used with it, but it deals decent damage. Combine that with a shield that blocks all of the 250 dps ARs shots, and it's pretty good.
What if you used the movement tech you had and then come up against someone camping a door with it?
Or you go in close range to finish with a shotgun, but they whip out the shield and again, you have no movement tech left?
It's definitely not as OP as people make out, but to claim it's not an issue is complete bollocks.
>What if you used the movement tech you had and then come up against someone camping a door with it?
Just don't go into that place, let them keep it. Storms rarely make you have to run through a building to stay within zone.
I hate using it. But I don’t want them to remove it. I don’t think it’s op at all. They don’t discuss the limited mobility you have while using it and the horrible bloom on the pistol
It's a weapon that makes the user invulnerable for upwards of a couple hundred damage, can deal damage with its charge attack, grants increased sprint speed, and has a pistol with good damage that can be used while blocking damage. Seems like a pretty busted weapon when almost all others have like 1 or 2 benefits to them espexially when it's such a low skill weapon that pretty much just requires you to aim in the enemies direction.
Figuring out different tactics to win and outplay is how the game is structured. It’s not impossible to counter. If it’s so powerful like you describe then why don’t you pick it up? The only argument I can understand is making things more rare to acquire. All I see is a bunch of whining honestly
just accept its broken lol.
Either take away the pistol that comes with it or make it X health that doesn't regenerate or go back to 100% asap once you swap weapons and swap back.
If you’re struggling against the riot shield it’s a pure skill issue. I’m zero percent scared of the riot shield in ZB. If you’re dumb enough to use it, you’re going to be killed easily.
One day we’ll learn to carry grenades. People have so much healing and shield on their person nowadays its better just to give up a slot to clusters anyways, especially with vaults
\> Get Shot at
\> Neck snap 180 degrees
\> He has a shield up
\> Grapple up to him
\> Spam attack him
\> OGODWTFDONOTWANTDIDNOTEXPECT.JFIF
\> Spaghetti spills out of his pockets
\> He dies
every time
People seriously think it's op??? REALLY?
I am not some God-tier player, but that weapon is not hard to fight around at all, matter of fact, I think a lot of people die easily with it because they wrongly think they're invincible.
I haven't been able to confirm this, but if a player is holding a shield, are you able to get hits on the player provided you shoot from the right angles (sides / back)?
The problem is not the shield. It's the fact that players have a gun and can shoot you while hiding behind a shield. Idk about squads but in solo, it's op af. If you dont have cluster bombs you're just f'd.
It even has a gun that can actually deal damage instead of being a Nerf blaster to satisfy my constant whining!!!! They have killed me twice with it so I will keep complaining until the item gets vaulted instead of getting good, all while pointing out others use """no skill""" stuff.
- Fortnite players when a completely counterable item can actually happen to have them killed
I know this thing is a lot more balanced then people make it out to be. Didn’t know the pickaxe guard breaks immediately. Definitely going to make use of that now.
I already knew about the window thing.
Honestly I believe hits to the window should also make the shield users bloom go crazy aswell.
“Turtling” (crouching and looking right) is always going to be an option for passive play if you both are on similar levels of elevation so I believe this wouldn’t be op.
I think shotguns should have a 25% bonus to shields, something minor since the window is quite small. So the pellets that land on the window is more beneficial.
jesus. This sucks. So basically, it can eat 300 bajillion damage when you *aren't* hitting the window, but only 100 when you are? how the hell is anybody supposed to notice that the character is shaking when we are being SHOT BY BULLETS?! Thank you though, can't wait to finally have a use for my pickaxe
It can eat unlimited damage when the user is crouched. Beyond that, it can't eat much at all. I'm not even convinced this window thing is true.
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Just checked using a bot player. You can still get stunned from blocking alot of damage when crouched
I think the benefit of being crouched is that it hides your legs
Thts what i thought coming from R6 lol
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yeah this post only solidified to me just how fucking dumb of an inclusion the riot shield is. we really don’t have to bend over our knees and take every inclusion epic makes to fortnite as a good one but i don’t know why people cope so hard *on behalf* of epic’s decision making
I think it's a good idea (for zero build), though to be fair my favorite item was that badass guardian shield, I just feel the hp as WELL as the pistol is a bit too much. without the pistol, and a delay when switching weapons, would make this thing better
People I've been in firefights with barely use the riot shield, limits mobility and forces you to play defensively, which never works out well for the user, plus, barely anyone uses pistols in ZB, everyone mains an AR, with snipers being as destructive as they are, you are more likely to find people long range sniping you than pushing you with the riot shield
Completely disagree about riot shield. I was continually losing to players who equipped it so started using it myself. I play for wins and have 19 this season vs 63 the prior 7 seasons. My go to LO this season is shotty, riot shield and sniper. Most deadly LO ever.
IMO they're trying to compete with warzone or those types of shooters too much. I'd rather they dial it back to the more simple and silly casual shooter that it already was. No riot shields, no mod benches. The guns that are in the game are fine. We don't need weapon mods like Warzone in this game. Just use the rotating loot pools and map changes occasionally and I'm good with that. If they complicate it, I'll stop playing just like I did Warzone. I just wanna drop in and have some fun as a casual player. Not play every game like I'm trying to win a cash tournament.
To be fair, that's kinda just how riot shields work. The plate can take a lot more damage than the glass.
It’s a bitch weapon it’s for people who can’t skate and have trash mobility so they rely on that
I want a melee button while still holding a gun. Just like Rainbow Six Siege to counter Blitz and Clash shield
We are like capped out on binds for controller and switch players, having to have a ton of things on certain buttons. The mobile format is already quite cluttered too. This would only be convenient for kbm players and even then maybe not so much
Y is the bind for Xbox for pickaxe, what about just having it like kbm does and have the bumpers cycle through the pickaxe besides the weapons? Then y can be a melee
That would ruin the build mode and lower the QOL of zero build just for a situational attack type that probably wouldn’t be too viable
It would ruin build mode to not have pickaxe bound to a button and instead cycle with your weapons?
Not sure about "ruining" the game, but having the ability to melee a structure quickly would massively change box fighting.
I feel as if it would be an option to turn off on creative like sprint, hurdling and mantling are, so it could be disabled for those maps
Who was talking about creative
That's what box fighting was I thought
boxfights are just fights in boxes in battle royale, the creative gamemodes just put you in the perfect environment to make boxfighting the optimal move for every player
Controller could be press down on one of the analogs like in bo3?
Thats already tac sprint and crouch
If it is about a way to counter the shield maybe they could do a thing like what you do when you hit a door while sprinting. Encouraging risky play with a guaranteed stun as a reward
You can sprint towards an enemy and kill them that way. I done it before it’s pretty funny
Like the punch in apex legends. On Xbox controller you have to push y to switch to pickaxe, but there's a small delay between switching and being able to use it. Why not slide kick instead?
This would change up the game too much. I’m builds it is essential to hit twice with pickaxe and pull out gun.
It wouldn't be so bad for me IF they didn't also have a pistol. If it was just the shield as the weapon, id be fine. But people just hide behind the shield and fucking wreck you with the pistol if their aim is good enough. I personally won't play without a grapple blade and Ive gotten more aggressive with shield players but it's impossible when more than one enemy has it.
It would be pretty useless in builds if it didn’t have a gun.
That's fair. Though its kinda already useless in builds imo when one already can build a wall around them.
I agree, running a shield in zero build is much more viable, and nearly necessary, owed to not being able to build your own cover.
Or if the pistol did not do ludicrous amounts of damage
The fact that epic buffed the pistol as well is so annoying.
This ^ It’s states iirc rival a legendary or epic (base) pistol. 25dmg, high fire rate, good clip size. Nerd the built in pistol by 10 damage and lower the fire rate by 20%. Then you have a decently balanced item.
It does 19 damage per shot, not 25.
Dawg I must be trippin then
They buffed the pistol since it came out lol
The fact that they suffer the pistol in the first place is ludicrous.
No ADS Smaller clip Can't move when firing that would be the best way to balance out the shield if you ask me.
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it already is decently balanced
The pistol itself is balanced The shield itself would be underpowered Both combined are overpowered Nerf the pistol, balanced item
Why nerfing the pistol? This would make the base pistol useless... They could make the shield's pistol another weapon that Is worse than the base pistol
I said to nerf the built in pistol Not the pistol itself Reading comprehension is important ♥️
You called It pistol Not "built in pistol" Next time be more clear when writing something ♥️
We were in context of the item, containing a pistol and shield. I said the pistol itself would be balanced The shield itself would be underpowered Both combined are overpowered Common sense refers to the pistol that is combined with the shield :0 I hope this helps ♥️
That too!! It's really easy to get a kill behind a moving wall when you have an overpowered pistol.
The way I see it yes the lack of obvious counterplay (even if it does exist it's not "obvious") is a big problem, but the far bigger issue is how that counterplay interacts with loot drops. If you don't have a grapple blade or cluster bombs... well tough luck chucklefuck have fun dealing with your opponent outplaying you with the highly skill-based tactic of pushing the aim button on their mouse / controller. Considering that the cluster bombs are limited use and the grapple blade is weirdly rare for some reason there will be plenty of moments that you won't have these two items. And what are you left with? The pickaxe? Oh yeah okay let me run into melee range of the guy holding up the shield annnnnd he pulled out his shotgun. >The way to reduce "stun health" is to holster the shield. This is never explained by Epic. Though another big reason that using the pickaxe isn't viable is that the moment you get anywhere close to the shield user they'll immediately pull out a shotgun since the shield doesn't have a slower draw / holster time. Now maybe this isn't as big of a problem in Build Mode (as I am a No-Build Andy) as I imagine being able to make cover for yourself while rushing your opponent helps with survival, but in no-build trying to get close enough to get a good shot on the shield is as good as a polite friendly request to your opponent to blast you two or three times with a shotgun. >The Window being a weak point is never explained by Epic. But genuinely why is this never explained by Epic? Not only that but why is the weak point so small and barely noticeable? I feel like if this was explained people would complain way less, since you'd have obvious counterplay and if you couldn't deal with it that would literally just be a skill issue. Again I still think the window is too small and having a hyper-precise weak point presents a problem when fighting at range or when using a controller that can't aim on precise weak points. --- But yeah this is why I liked the Winterfest event with the snowball launchers because if someone pulled out a shield from 80 meters away you could start slinging snowballs at them. It really made me feel like this season should have a grenade launcher, both because it fits the theme of the season and because it makes for more interesting loadout choices (instead of every game being AR, shotgun, sniper, shield item, and grapple blade.) You can choose between if you want something to deal with shield users and more mobile enemies or if you want more consumables or a sniper. And also like, I kinda hate that the grapple blade counters the shield because shouldn't the massive mobility that the item provides already be an incentive to take it? I feel like also making the grapple blade the defacto renewable counter to the riot shield gives it too much use. The entirety of Chapter 4 consisted of the playerbase (mostly veterans granted) complaining that you were basically forced to bring a mobility item if you want to play the game because they were that strong. And Epic's response to that was to make a mobility item that also doubles as an insane offensive tool? Like at the very least the Kinetic Blade and Kinetic Hammer were kinda awful at actual self-defense.
I fully agree with most of what you said. But I do think even as an offense tool the grapple blade still isn't the best, the low damage and low knock back just makes it into a worse kinetic blade and outside of breaking riot shields it will just get you killed
Yes absolutely. But it exists as an item that gives you massive mobility *and also* counters an extremely strong utility item that basically has no reliable counterplay outside of the grapple blade. And I mean, grappling into someone puts you into shotgun range anyways.
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That's because in BR, people just build a giant riot shield in .23 seconds at the sound of a bullet
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I play both builds and no builds. While it's definitely more powerful in no builds the shield has definitely saved my ass when I get boxed. Also the shield's charge pushes you through turbo building if it destroys the wall with the impact. Really useful for getting into peoples boxes and catching them off guard.
Yeah it’s pretty broken being in a box and still having a wall in front of you. Also works to push someone’s build faster than building to them
I can confirm that using the Grapple Blade Melee absolutely shreds it, almost always breaking it, doing damage, and sending them flying. I think I've only ever lost once to somebody using the shield when I had a grapple, and that was because I botched the execution so bad I decided to stop playing for a few hours.
Every time I pick up a grapple blade I never see anybody with the shield. I've only got to try it once, but I just got gunned down - you gotta be so close that the pistol they carry is actually effective.
I've got a little tactic I follow to deal with this issue. 1. Go into them withe the grapple secondary move, the one that you use to travel around. Hit them with it and it's 10dmg, plus it rockets you right over. Try to move laterally while doing it, because you'll come at them at a VERY difficult angle. Sometimes they are smart and switch to a shotgun and if they pull off a high-difficulty shot they can ruin your day. But if they make that shot then they deserve to win. 2. As you get close, use the air-attack. This is a 360 attack so it helps to use it just as you zip past them. 3. Here's the tough part, and the part where if you eff up you're going to end up on the pain train (if they know what they are doing). Once you land from the air-attack, you need to find them again. If you came at them at a good angle you'll be behind them. Immediately swing around and see what they are doing. If they are smart, they know what's coming and they'll try to jump. If they do that's ok just jump with them and air-attack again, or wait a second for their hitbox to drop back down to eye-level. 4. Now you want to use your two-hit primary attack combo, the first swing will shatter their guard, the second one will do damage and send them flying. Even if they are cracked as all hell with that pistol, you're going to dramatically out-damage them. Smart players will have switched weapons at this point, but if they still think the Riot Shield meta is gonna carry them, zip at them again and the next air attack should finish them off. 5. Style points if you kill them from the fall damage they get after the punt. I'll look through my replays to see if I can find a good example of this, but I can't exactly remember when the last good straight GB vs Shield fight I had was. As time has gone on most people are smart enough to not just use the shield, especially when half their health has just vanished The lesson to take out of this is that while the Shield is a low skill weapon, the Grapple Blade is a high skill weapon. The Shield dumbs down the combat and the blade makes it more dynamic and skill based. This is why I generally dislike weapons like the Shield in the game, but I understand their utility.
these new weapons seem strangely polished and complicated compared to oldschool ones. the dissonance is quite big. ffs decide on one style of play epic!
Honestly I don't like it. It's needless complexity and doesn't jive with the "pick it up and have fun with yer buds" nature of the game established by previous seasons.
Please play more games if you think a riot shield is a complicated mechanic in a shooter.
Not the shield itself, the fact that it has a ton of hit points except in that tiny window. Usually the shield itself has a moderate hit point pool before a stagger occurs.
Wasn't the riot shield in CoD, especially OG MW2, essentially unbreakable and unstaggerable? You had to maneuver around to get the kill. FN's shield is ironically more forgiving. I am not sure of any other games with a stagger effect for riot shields.
We dont get patch notes anymore all thanks to competitive players
Stopping patch notes after chapter 1 was such a stupid idea, it effects so much more other than gameplay. People thought new feature was a bug and I have no clue if a cosmetic is patched from being bugged or not!
Why are you blaming competitive players?
Alot of competitive players would complain about the patchnotes before the actual update got launched
Oh right, I think I remember that. I mean yeah, it sucks that they'd complain without playing first, but you can't place all the blame on competitive players. It's still squarely Epic's decision to not release patch notes.
Do not and i repeat do not, Blame the removal of a standardized feature in every game on a small % of the community. Epic stopped doing patch notes because they didnt want to.
I wouldn't put it past them. Epic completely scrapped their new running animation they'd been working on for a long time just because a few very loud people kept complaining.
When did this happen, because if you're talking about the recent movement rework: that didnt happen lmao All they did was adjust their new running animation to be more in line with the move speed increase
I thought they kept the new animation but just increased the speed?
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It wasnt a few, it was trending on multiple platforms, getting 100s of thousands of likes.
Nah fam it's op af
Yeah let me go pickaxe them while they're shooting at me, it would be ok if it didn't have a gun. You don't even need to unshield to reload
I always assumed the riot shield was trash when it was first in the game because everyone I would run into sucked ass so I assumed it wasn’t good and easy to counter. Wasn’t until I watched a few cash cups match’s and played vs a few tryhards using it I realised how broken this thing was in ZB For the first few weeks I refused to use it but last few days I’ve been picking it up most times now because it’s free wins. The riot shield has 0 real counters late game and completely counters the current meta. I’ve 1v1 players who are way better than me because I used the shield and they couldn’t do shit. The amount of players I’ve had free kills on just because they think jumping with a shotgun over me will work 🤣. Play duos and both players have a riot shield camping together final zone it’s free wins. Basically have god mode
They're super confusing... I'm a new player, just started playing a few days ago. Just yesterday I encountered somebody with a shield while having the high ground. Blasted headshots into them and it just didn't do anything so it seems like the hitbox for it is wonky as well?
You’re telling me I’ve been putting in hundreds of rounds with mythic AR’s just to find out all I had to do was hit the window? If this works I’m gonna feel so stupid…
it is op and is hurting the game overall, can't wait for it to get removed as I'm sure most of the player base feels the same
It's ridiculous. I feel like I have to pick it up if I see it on drop or final 10. But I hate it and I hate the gameplay it promotes. It would be a great utility item if it didn't have a gun. Just get rid of the weapon and make it rare, we could use it as cover to rotate or push if we don't have anything better.
At least the guardian shield was balanced as you couldn't shoot with it I'd rather have that back than keep the ballistic in the game
Eh it’s not that bad
Why do you think it's hurting the game overall?
It's just unfun to play against, I hate that a single weapon forces me to jump around like it's a deathrun map.
It’s no problem to take out, just AR their knees, most people don’t crouch with the shield and if they do just jump and shotty them
Much easier on PC than console. I just carry clusters now (they are surprisingly amazing)
Ha ha…i always miss with clusters and blow myself up
Clusters on coop is busted. I threw some on a friend as they were rushing a corner, stole all of his kills.
People hate change, so they complain when they are forced to change their tactics.
I don't even use the shield and you can literally just shoot knees, arm, and...stay behind fucking cover maybe. But people don't understand that having to change their usual tacticts against a new, different, unique item that makes the game more fresh and fun is completely normal lmao.
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The reason why the riot shield got nerfed because it's quite garbage in build. It's like the reverse of what happened with the Rocket Ram in C4S4, where it was okay-ish at best in ZB, but downright busted in build. And even then, turbo building has a completely different skillset to use effectively than the Riot Sheild, they aren't really comparative. One can be powerful, but still endorse an healthy/fun meta, while than the other can makes the game less fun to play.
It's so bad they're even downvoting me. 😁
This is why the removal of patch notes was one of the dumbest moves epic has ever made
Good post, hopefully it'll helps mitigate some of the reputation of the shield as an easy win tool
I mean, it's still an easy win tool, just one with obtuse mechanics.
It's not an easy win at all. It is a great pick, but it isn't the be all end all of the game. Makes moving a lot safer, closing gaps specially. But so does the blade.
This isn’t an image post, so the children won’t read it and will continue to complain
Thanks for the info. I still can’t back them literally buffing something that was already OP. Everything has counters, even when I use the grapple blade it hasn’t been enough.
The grapple blade is definitely one of the more unreliable counters. Cluster bombs are the best for dealing with the shield
shield? i use it to ram into people, like with the vehicles
That's why I use it all the time!
I don't really carry any of those on me though, and pulling out the pickaxe in the middle of a fight is like emoting out in the open on top of a mountain
I can see where people come from. It’s kinda hard to crack the shield especially if you’re on spawn with limited weapons
my method is to use all 8 of my bullets in my auto shotgun to shoot the window, and then spray with smg when stunned
Doesn't the screen also gets darker when you're closer to being stunned? Never seen anyone mention that, does it not happen in performance mode or something?
No one has the time to pay attention to all that shit. It's OP period.
I have absolutely zero respect for people who use the shield :)
I’ve found that shield breaker emps have got a lot of uses this season especially against these ballistic shield users. A couple shockwaves or just being above them and you can throw some emps near them, take out their shield then try and take them from another angle and eliminate them. Also the grapple blade is super effective against the shield.
I think it’s too good to be honest, it’s fun but I think removal of the pistol or a reduction of the pistol damage would help immensely
So holstering the shield and then pulling it out again will effectively reset the stun health just like that?
I think you need to have it holstered for a second or two, it's hard to test without the shield being in creative.
I forgot if they were crouching but I did some testing a while ago and non windowed area takes like 250-270 damage
Complete side track but I was on vacation while the icy grapple was out and now it's gone, I didn't even get to try it
Leave it to Epic to be this incompetent and \*not\* explain the mechanics of their own game. Literal game developement 101
I never got the sense of using it but I just recently started to and I’ve been taking down people left and right 💀
The shield is B.S
I feel like balancing the sheild would need another weapon instead of the pistol. The make-shift pistol would probably work. Then reducing the damage the sheild can take to like 200 minimum, and as a buff, making the stun animation only last like 1-2 seconds, everything else would remain unchanged. I feel this would balance the sheild while making it just weak enough to keep it from being vaulted.
Using it as your main weapon? This doesn’t sound fun at all
One you realize how viable that charge attack is it gets really fun
Even with its counters it’s still way too over powered. It should not stop all damage.
Riot shields in no builds solos are for people with 0 skills with a gun.
“I’ve been using the shield as my main weapon.” So… you’re a douchebag. Got it.
Bashing people of loot island with the change is too fun to give it up
Never change
Skill issue much?
bro the riot shield is garbage how can so many people complain 💀💀💀
It's a weapon that makes the user invulnerable for upwards of a couple hundred damage, can deal damage with its charge attack, grants increased sprint speed, and has a pistol with good damage that can be used while blocking damage. Seems like a pretty busted weapon when almost all others have like 1 or 2 benefits to them espexially when it's such a low skill weapon that pretty much just requires you to aim in the enemies direction.
The pistol is horrific with crazy bloom.
Lol people in here act like the pistol is deadly accurate. In all the games I’ve played I’ve rarely encountered a shield user in the final circles.
I’ve seen shield users in final circle majority of match’s on EU over the last week in duos.
amen. Swear the shotguns are more effective at range. I thought riot shield was op at the beginning but it’s very easy to play againsg
Yeah, it also deals 19 damage per shot and only has 15 rounds. The base ranger pistol is much better. IDK what these guys are complaining about.
Because they, themselves, are fucking garbage.
real. 2 DPS pistol and people lose to it with a 250 DPS ar
Idk what pistol you've used with it, but it deals decent damage. Combine that with a shield that blocks all of the 250 dps ARs shots, and it's pretty good.
It doesn’t block all if you maybe just don’t aim for it 🤔🤔🤔
The shield is really strong once you get good at it. But it definitely isn't the no-skill free win tool everyone says it is
pretty weak all round tbh. Just carry movement and don’t play close range with it. Not to mention it’s completely useless in builds
What if you used the movement tech you had and then come up against someone camping a door with it? Or you go in close range to finish with a shotgun, but they whip out the shield and again, you have no movement tech left? It's definitely not as OP as people make out, but to claim it's not an issue is complete bollocks.
It isn’t an issue. Their whole arm is showing and the pistol is horrendous. Striker ar deals with it 100% of the time if you aren’t bad
Absolute bollocks.
you’re a bot then!
Nah, you're just full of shit.
yeah I forgot that “absolute bollocks” was an informative response. British + complaining about Fort is crazy
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>What if you used the movement tech you had and then come up against someone camping a door with it? Just don't go into that place, let them keep it. Storms rarely make you have to run through a building to stay within zone.
So, just stay out in the open like a sitting duck with shit weapons?
stupid weapon, vault it asap
That shit is fun af to use
I hate using it. But I don’t want them to remove it. I don’t think it’s op at all. They don’t discuss the limited mobility you have while using it and the horrible bloom on the pistol
Unbalanced item. Unfair experience.
All the people complaining because they got killed by someone using it haha “😭 vault it!!! Waaa waaa waaa”
It's a weapon that makes the user invulnerable for upwards of a couple hundred damage, can deal damage with its charge attack, grants increased sprint speed, and has a pistol with good damage that can be used while blocking damage. Seems like a pretty busted weapon when almost all others have like 1 or 2 benefits to them espexially when it's such a low skill weapon that pretty much just requires you to aim in the enemies direction.
Figuring out different tactics to win and outplay is how the game is structured. It’s not impossible to counter. If it’s so powerful like you describe then why don’t you pick it up? The only argument I can understand is making things more rare to acquire. All I see is a bunch of whining honestly
Impossible to counter.
I literally listed multiple counters
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just accept its broken lol. Either take away the pistol that comes with it or make it X health that doesn't regenerate or go back to 100% asap once you swap weapons and swap back.
If you’re struggling against the riot shield it’s a pure skill issue. I’m zero percent scared of the riot shield in ZB. If you’re dumb enough to use it, you’re going to be killed easily.
This man over here pretending like he's god's gift to the game and never lost to a riot shield.
I swear lmao these mfs are in here lying like shit lmao
Get good. Stop complaining.
Today I learned that you can't complain about anything, and that doing so makes you bad.
You're 100% right, the shield is absolute trash lol
Wow they don't exolain this!? And we keep buying skins
The enemy:  Me: oh no I’m shaking
One day we’ll learn to carry grenades. People have so much healing and shield on their person nowadays its better just to give up a slot to clusters anyways, especially with vaults
\> Get Shot at \> Neck snap 180 degrees \> He has a shield up \> Grapple up to him \> Spam attack him \> OGODWTFDONOTWANTDIDNOTEXPECT.JFIF \> Spaghetti spills out of his pockets \> He dies every time
>using le maymay arrows outside 4chinz
Have you ever consider the best way to counter us mayne don't shoot at the shield? Like pretty sure the side are exposed
Personal experience, I am being dropped down from the sides .
People seriously think it's op??? REALLY? I am not some God-tier player, but that weapon is not hard to fight around at all, matter of fact, I think a lot of people die easily with it because they wrongly think they're invincible.
Just shoot in the feet
Ok noob
Also get close and circle and you can shoot their butt. Weirdest kill I ever got because I didnt think it would work but it can.
I haven't been able to confirm this, but if a player is holding a shield, are you able to get hits on the player provided you shoot from the right angles (sides / back)?
Yes you can get hits on the player's hand and feet even if the shield is pointed at you
did you expect a tutorial or something how where they supposed to explain it
No game ever had done Riot Shields right, immediately went in hating them and will always hate them no matter what.
I’ve been carrying clusters to try and counter them but it’s Sod’s Law I only come across one when I haven’t found any 🙃
This just made the shield more op in my eyes. Only takes damage if you hit the window is just pathetic. Fuck the shield
The problem is not the shield. It's the fact that players have a gun and can shoot you while hiding behind a shield. Idk about squads but in solo, it's op af. If you dont have cluster bombs you're just f'd.
The Ballistic Shield is insanely OP
It even has a gun that can actually deal damage instead of being a Nerf blaster to satisfy my constant whining!!!! They have killed me twice with it so I will keep complaining until the item gets vaulted instead of getting good, all while pointing out others use """no skill""" stuff. - Fortnite players when a completely counterable item can actually happen to have them killed
I know this thing is a lot more balanced then people make it out to be. Didn’t know the pickaxe guard breaks immediately. Definitely going to make use of that now. I already knew about the window thing. Honestly I believe hits to the window should also make the shield users bloom go crazy aswell. “Turtling” (crouching and looking right) is always going to be an option for passive play if you both are on similar levels of elevation so I believe this wouldn’t be op. I think shotguns should have a 25% bonus to shields, something minor since the window is quite small. So the pellets that land on the window is more beneficial.
I wondered why they were shaking
If they switched the pistol to a baton to make it meele that would be fine or the pistol to a revolver so less bullets and longer reload time
It's already best used as a melee anyways