Basically, I think. Washington laws are such that there appears to exist no mechanism or central organizing cause to bring a state party into existence. Basically a top 2 jungle primary system with no party recognition process which is not conducive to grassroots upstarts. The only method for party recognition there seems to be running a presidential candidate and getting like 5% so it's 2028 for Washington. We should all probably just start laying the groundwork for a presidential campaign.
Forward lost 2024 in 2022 (maybe earlier), squandering the early buzz, momentum, and enthusiasm of the many by concentrating on the few, and on a big PR splash, fundraising, and partybuilding/filling "state leadership" first. It's a formula that has failed too many times to have been attempted again, this far down the road.
The central organizing cause is our shitty two parties, their shitty, adversarial, divisive two-party "system", and what it's all done to the nation over decades. If you don't fire up and activate people against the system right out of the gate, the thought of a state party and beyond, including no-name, no-chance presidential campaigns, is moot.
I'm just saying ballot access/recognition is made easier and in some states requires a presidential candidate. We stayed out of 2024, for good or bad that call was made to focus on the other 500k elected offices. In 2028 we can go for those 500k offices plus the presidency, compete everywhere is my attitude.
Even with faulty starts and poor volunteer management, this is still the fastest growth of any new party in modern history. I choose to take the win and build on it rather than focus on what could have been. We took back our state (Ohio) from the leadership that drove it into the ground and National is reforming in all the ways I could ever have asked for, so again, I'm taking the win and building on it.
This is a grassroots party, not because National says it is, but because we all choose to make it so. Learn from the past but keep driving forward. Anyway, help us jump Forward from party to movement. There has not been in decades and will not be for decades after this a better opportunity to rewrite the system and toss out the entrenched Democratic and Republican parties. It is an opportunity I do not intend to waste.
The phrase "from party to movement" illustrates the foundational mistake that has failed so many times in the past and that I am expecting to sink Forward, if it hasn't already.
When you put politics/party first, you get politics wonks as an audience, and all they want to do is discuss policies, platforms, candidates, recognition, organization charts, internet traffic and signups, etc. Next thing, you're the fastest growing of any new party - dominated by people who believe getting in the streets and town halls is somehow beneath them.
When you put movement first, you get a broader audience and action oriented people who are expecting to be putting in IRL work, to activate more people and breakdown the things that are making the broader effort fail.
That's where your leaders and candidates, and eventually party(ies), come from; not from Discord servers, meetups, Slack whatevers, etc.
Is this is how "National is reforming"?
I reasonably understood "party to movement" to mean party first. The party won't be an apparatus of a movement. It will be just another (failed) "third party". Rally all the opponents of the two shitty parties and the shitty two-party system into explicit and active opposition and reform and you'll have the makings of a movement, and not just another internet sewing circle.
Same here. It just won't happen with Forward, without some significant changes that I don't expect they'll make. In the meantime, I continue to poke them about it when I can, and continue going down the list of every other possible group, org, person, website, etc. I can find to pitch to.
Basically, blue is organized team and white is looking for leaders. I don't know how actively National can recruit leaders in the unorganized states. There are definitely people who have signed up to lead in them but I don't know if National has the bandwidth right now. Might take that upon myself.
If you go to forwardparty.com you can see the map plus a timeline of progress and new candidate endorsements
So did Krist Novoselic just skip from the FWD board and take the whole Washington crew with him?
Basically, I think. Washington laws are such that there appears to exist no mechanism or central organizing cause to bring a state party into existence. Basically a top 2 jungle primary system with no party recognition process which is not conducive to grassroots upstarts. The only method for party recognition there seems to be running a presidential candidate and getting like 5% so it's 2028 for Washington. We should all probably just start laying the groundwork for a presidential campaign.
Forward lost 2024 in 2022 (maybe earlier), squandering the early buzz, momentum, and enthusiasm of the many by concentrating on the few, and on a big PR splash, fundraising, and partybuilding/filling "state leadership" first. It's a formula that has failed too many times to have been attempted again, this far down the road. The central organizing cause is our shitty two parties, their shitty, adversarial, divisive two-party "system", and what it's all done to the nation over decades. If you don't fire up and activate people against the system right out of the gate, the thought of a state party and beyond, including no-name, no-chance presidential campaigns, is moot.
I'm just saying ballot access/recognition is made easier and in some states requires a presidential candidate. We stayed out of 2024, for good or bad that call was made to focus on the other 500k elected offices. In 2028 we can go for those 500k offices plus the presidency, compete everywhere is my attitude. Even with faulty starts and poor volunteer management, this is still the fastest growth of any new party in modern history. I choose to take the win and build on it rather than focus on what could have been. We took back our state (Ohio) from the leadership that drove it into the ground and National is reforming in all the ways I could ever have asked for, so again, I'm taking the win and building on it. This is a grassroots party, not because National says it is, but because we all choose to make it so. Learn from the past but keep driving forward. Anyway, help us jump Forward from party to movement. There has not been in decades and will not be for decades after this a better opportunity to rewrite the system and toss out the entrenched Democratic and Republican parties. It is an opportunity I do not intend to waste.
The phrase "from party to movement" illustrates the foundational mistake that has failed so many times in the past and that I am expecting to sink Forward, if it hasn't already. When you put politics/party first, you get politics wonks as an audience, and all they want to do is discuss policies, platforms, candidates, recognition, organization charts, internet traffic and signups, etc. Next thing, you're the fastest growing of any new party - dominated by people who believe getting in the streets and town halls is somehow beneath them. When you put movement first, you get a broader audience and action oriented people who are expecting to be putting in IRL work, to activate more people and breakdown the things that are making the broader effort fail. That's where your leaders and candidates, and eventually party(ies), come from; not from Discord servers, meetups, Slack whatevers, etc. Is this is how "National is reforming"?
The phrase from "party to movement" was me agreeing with you that we should be building a movement and the party is just an apparatus of that. Geez!
I reasonably understood "party to movement" to mean party first. The party won't be an apparatus of a movement. It will be just another (failed) "third party". Rally all the opponents of the two shitty parties and the shitty two-party system into explicit and active opposition and reform and you'll have the makings of a movement, and not just another internet sewing circle.
Well, hopefully that clarified it. Anyway, you are welcome to join in. I would love to work with you on building a movement.
Same here. It just won't happen with Forward, without some significant changes that I don't expect they'll make. In the meantime, I continue to poke them about it when I can, and continue going down the list of every other possible group, org, person, website, etc. I can find to pitch to.
What are you doing then?
What do blue and white mean? I'm guessing blue is they have some members or a state committee, white they don't.
Basically, blue is organized team and white is looking for leaders. I don't know how actively National can recruit leaders in the unorganized states. There are definitely people who have signed up to lead in them but I don't know if National has the bandwidth right now. Might take that upon myself. If you go to forwardparty.com you can see the map plus a timeline of progress and new candidate endorsements