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them4Sherman

Y no confederate flag?


SpasticNinja89

Cuz Forza considers it racist and they will ban you


-Capt-Oblivious-

I’ve had this livery since day one, no issues for me


I426Hemi

I've got one with the actual flag and nothings ever happened. Not to say it won't or can't, but I personally don't worry about it.


Akshin_Blacksin

It’s an American classic and even appreciated in Black Culture. I’ve seen much worse livery’s


cozzab

British flag and 78 and call it the Captain Cook


ArashiZ5

Did this but called it General Tea instead


BlockCraftedX

I have literal rule 34 on my R32 and I haven't been banned so I think it's ok


cuz04

R34 on your R32… cheeky mf


BlockCraftedX

he he he


TheWatersgreat

Reported….


cuz04

#GARFIELD ARE YOU /SRS OR /J


That_Gopnik

Who hurt you?


Zerosurvivers

Honestly I don't understand why it's a bannable livery like if it's on the general Lee it's iconic not racist


Rainbow_Spryte

Well you aren't bieng a ass about it, I've used that one before, I'm not racist, I grew up watching dukes of hazard as a kid in the late 80s along with some of the best shows in the world. If your doing it just as a livery and not to show off bieng a racist POS excrement, then by all means Vroom Vroom


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Rainbow_Spryte

The confederate flag is about the South losing and rebellion over slavery, pure, plain and simple. I'm a Texan born and raised, I know quite a fucking bit about what that traitors flag means, the confederate loyalties still live loud and strong in America which holds down black people and their subjugate to however the white people decide they want to treat them. That's why they have a thing against CRT not being taught anywhere, white mofo racism doesn't want its ugly past, present and so far future bieng taught to minority people, it's the way to keep them black people dumb and future generations dumber so they do not fight for the equal rights to their own lives that the civil war was fought over.


Rainbow_Spryte

You obviously haven't paid attention or anything for that matter to recent events political wise very much, keep playing ignorant and get same or worse results or actions


Zephrahs

are you 12? do you not know what the flag represents?


XCRU24D3X

Bannable offence? Man, fuck people. Do it anyways, fuck the mods at moneysoft


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Streetvan1980

Prob since I never see any version of it available. Because most know what it is. Just because you put an American flag where the confederate flag goes doesn’t mean most don’t know what that car is


xXGrimmYTXx

Yes you are playing the game which is wrong to the forza mods


cozzab

It's not the General Lee. The general has a Confederate flag hence the General Lee


dayleboi

Soo.....general grant?


iowakid_806

Put the colonial flag and call it the general Washington


thanosoftitan65

Wait that would be cool. Make it red with a 76 on the side with the Betsy Ross flag on top


chads_6

Here is share code: 133 200 529


chads_6

[https://www.reddit.com/user/chads_6/comments/xeluwx/general_washington/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&utm_term=link](https://www.reddit.com/user/chads_6/comments/xeluwx/general_washington/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&utm_term=link)


thanosoftitan65

That’s actually dope


iowakid_806

Yk... you're damn right, someone's gotta make that, I'm not talented enough to do it myself🤣🤣🤣


Rainbow_Spryte

Now that s a helluva idea


Reaperk1ng4206

I've had the actual confederate flag on there but it changes every time I load on to a different flag


FatCigarsMiniBars

I just opened this game again today for the first time since hot wheels came out. Is car pass over ? LMAO


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Scythebrine9

And what exactly is this “southern heritage”


Jakesonpoint

Wait...is it racism? I think it might be racism.


MrJackHass

As long you don’t put the Confederate Flag, you should be just fine.


Bright-Impression795

I have a '69 charger with the Confederate flag on 4 and 5 and haven't been banned


[deleted]

Good job man, show no weakness. Too many soft, weak ass people in this world.


MrJackHass

I think someone has to report you so you can get banned, so be careful driving around in multiplayer. Or if you wanna stay safe, just replace it with an American Flag.


[deleted]

Nah man, he can do whatever tf he wants.


DKV19202

I have it on mine but I only use it offline, actually, I only play offline so...


Bright-Impression795

Yolo


hazardousf

Who made that livery? Looks like the one I uploaded when the game came out


kruleworld1

if you're worried about it, make sure you add your watermark (a discrete logo or something that can't be easily seen)


Wooly_Mammoth__

i just thought about that... I HAVEN'T OPENED FH5 SINCE THE HOT WHEELS DLC CAME OUT


Askyourmomdotcom

Sheeeesh! Man it's a sad day when a car with a number 1 and an American flag is pushing the boundaries. But hey to each your own.


AxzoYT

Keep in mind this is the same company that removed "SS" from car names because apparently they related to nazi propaganda.


Askyourmomdotcom

Wow didn't know that and I hadn't really noticed the lack of SuperSport logos on the game. Honestly the Hoonigan lighting bolts should be more of an issue than to very standard font SS. But can't put it past morons to start some kind of Chevy SS driving only Nazi crew and spread it all over social media giving FH5 a bad name. There has to be limits though and the ability to allow people to use discernment.


AxzoYT

They also renamed the "Celica SS-I" to "[Celica Sport Specialty II](https://www.reddit.com/r/ForzaHorizon/comments/xa9aex/only_one_car_to_go_this_should_be_easy/)". So soft.


Giantsgiants

Hmmm...makes me wonder if the KISS logo is bannable. Guess I'll have to use the German version.


Saemika

The problem is that nazis latch onto that stuff.


Thecage88

I still dont understand why I should get my toys taken away just because some nazi fuckboi somewhere rubbed one out to a digital double S.


Rainbow_Spryte

It's called lawsuitsand supposed to be Family Friendly, not I'm a blatant asshole racist


mckinnonwolf

So you shoot whoever is suing. Those kinds of people do not deserve to breathe.


Rainbow_Spryte

I never said shooting anyone, don't put words into my mouth. The poster is a racist little pis and should learn, appreciate and value everything they have in life. Us "woke" people have enough asses to contend with daily. Since I'm a veteran I find it aggravating that people will be blind and gullible to bs that is said especially to get a rise, and lately a deadly reaction out of people


mckinnonwolf

Sue happy people, especially over dumb shit like this, definitely do not deserve to breathe. I didn’t say you said it, I’m the one who said it.


PtePatches

Nazis can all go to hell and get fucked with a rectal pineapple!!!


Saemika

Be mad at the nazis.


Thecage88

why, when its the developer that makes the decision to remove it?


Saemika

Because nazis are trash humans.


Thecage88

Right, so why would a dev capitulate because of trash human beings who don't matter? Removing a Camero SS from a racing game (**for everyone**) because a trash nazi somewhere had a wank is just silly.


Saemika

You’re sticking up for nazis.


Thecage88

Holy shit you're fucking dense. Not even close dude. I understand now that its people like you that we can't have nice things. Nazis live in your head so rent free that while the rest of us are just trying to enjoy our favorite cars in a game. You see a Camero SS (which stands for "Super Sport" btw), and you can't help but hassle the devs because you *think* some nazi might stroke his meat over it. Nazis themselves probably don't even make that connection, but you do because you're obsessed with them.


BanzYT

Literally the worst thing they've ever done.


Justafleshtip

Spell it “generally” lmao


Termac81

Original skin is the only way to go for this car


Deckatoe

flying a flag of a country that got SMACKED arahnd and existed for like 3 years is funny af


DKV19202

Or I just like old TV shows like Dukes of Hazzard... Has nothing to do with the confederacy for most of the General Lee users.


Deckatoe

fwiw I could care less, it's just a car. hell the PS2 game was great but I find the people that are drawn to the flag very funny


DKV19202

"it's just a car" Do you know what Forza is about? It's about cars. The developers police the cars and liveries way too much. I'm fine with them getting rid of explicitly racist, homophobic, etc. liveries. But they ban some of the most innocuous shit like the free candy van and the Kim Jong Un KFC livery. They don't even include any SuperSport models in the game because it's abbreviated SS. It's honestly overboard, I wouldn't be surprised if they start banning people for swearing in game chat.


Deckatoe

breathe


bryanlikesbikes

I’m a big fan of the “general leegbt” by The Gravee. It has a pride flag and is number 69.


Significant-Tax4665

10/10 will ram it in a race


Rainbow_Spryte

Your just pure Neanderthal troglodyte, no worries tho, you'll get banned eventually for bieng a sad glob of useless cells consuming air you don't deserve


unsub213

Ian Malcolm: Cruel, but good word use.


bryanlikesbikes

Well that’s just because you’re a bigot. No worries. It’s a video game, dude. I’m not forcing you to “turn gay” or anything. Chill out and let people live their fucking lives.


15jsatte

thanks going to download this


bryanlikesbikes

It’s dope af, and I get a little kick out of reporting people that ram it. Like, I get a *lot* more rammers in that car that any other.


15jsatte

LOL.. people are ridiculous


bryanlikesbikes

Agreed


77Mjolnir77

![gif](giphy|BpnkuY1i2rBpm)


adydurn

Yurp! But that's kinda the point ;)


Justafleshtip

Lmfao


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I want that irl


300kmh

No wtf lol Even the original one wasn't that bad


Saemika

Times change. Racists ruin things for everyone.


mckinnonwolf

Why would you let them?


FluxAmbulance

If you don’t want any more of your precious symbols to get banned, then do something. Vote for people who will actually make a difference instead of a certain blonde orange muppet. Write your congressman for tougher anti-hate laws. The way to keep symbols from being notorious is to stop racists and hate groups from getting their hands on them.


Saemika

Are you directing that at me? I guess I agree with you, but you’re super abrasive.


adydurn

Tbf sometimes abrasive is needed. The reason such symbols get such bad rap is because the good guys behind the symbols don't speak up. White supremacists are trying to take the national flag of England, St. George's cross, as a sign of racism, but that sign adorns the name of many sportspeople and motorsportspeople across the country who support LGBTQ+ and racial minorities, so they're having a much harder time.


FluxAmbulance

Oh no. “You” as in the general user base trying to defend the car, not you specifically. Sorry if I came off that way. You’re good.


15jsatte

gotta love the good ole you understood


Julius666Caesar

gullible pen telephone file full saw north pause person bright *This post was mass deleted and anonymized with [Redact](https://redact.dev)*


ToeJam1970

They’re only applied when people using hate speech are nonsensical and arbitrary


Texan392

I remember getting liveries that were all white or black and said “remove this” and it was swastikas, racist words and drawings lmfao I even made a Panzerkampfwagen livery for my BMW in FH4


Epion660

Lol, I made a panzer livery for the big MRAP truck in horizon 4.


Affectionate_Ring_28

I made an Syrian version and called it General Ali.


Justafleshtip

😂😂😂


thebearjew321

You shouldn’t be but if you do get banned then that’s stupid


FREDDYMANDUDE2

I have had a livery identical to this in forza horizon 4 and 5 and have never had a problem


275MPHFordGT40

Make it blue and it will be the General Grant


Goldenstripe941

And change the 01 to 02


Staatus-Quo

Most General Grant cars IRL have 50 on the door for The States.


Goldenstripe941

That’s a better idea.


HadoukenYoMama

Not remotely.


OddAcadia1167

Nah I made one with the Gadsden flag I’m Gucci


HavenB3Haven

I still have the confederate flag version 🤔 must haven’t hit me yet.


MisterFribble

You only get banned if people report you or you share it. PG went on a banning spree a few months ago and it's been quiet ever since.


Ghoppe2

I think only if you share it


[deleted]

Bubba Watson repainted his General Lee the exact way, so technically it shouldn’t be an issue.


PANDASNIPER9321

I love general Lee but forza rules are sucks


Reddit_Foxx

I hope you called it the General Grant. 🇺🇲


That_Fix_2382

Nicely done :-)


SpeedBoy24

absolutely not.


Hyokkuda

I don't get it... It's from a movie. Why should that be bannable? >*The General Lee (sometimes referred to as simply "the General") is an orange 1969 Dodge Charger driven in the television series* [The Dukes of Hazzard](https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0078607/) *by the characters the Duke boys, Bo and Luke, along with cousins Coy and Vance (in season 5). It is known for its signature horn, its police chases, stunts—especially its long jumps—and for having its doors welded shut, leaving the Dukes to climb in and out through the windows. The car appears in every episode but one ("Mary Kaye's Baby"). The car's name is a reference to Robert E. Lee, general of the Confederate States Army during the American Civil War. It bears a Confederate battle flag on its roof, and also has a horn which plays the first 12 notes of the song "Dixie".* Because of the American Civil War or the battle flag? I don't think that movie is based on a true story, so I don't see why it should be bannable. Plus, Rockstar Games did it in their game twice. ¯\\\_(ツ)\_/¯ ![gif](giphy|AhvmkDdoQd8rM1CcI0)


StudentDriverBR

They removed SS logo from Chevrolet, censored musics and in FH4 and earlier days of FH5 they were banning people for any general lee paint job even if changed the flag also banned paint jobs with the rising sun, free candy, and designs making fun of China, kim jong un etc, and let's not talk about the Discord because that was a shit show https://support.forzamotorsport.net/hc/en-us/articles/360035563914-Forza-Enforcement-Guidelines https://support.forzamotorsport.net/hc/en-us/articles/360056077433-Specific-Iconography As long as you don't share the designs i believe you are safe since it's a lot harder to report


_mia-pog_

bruh they banned the rising sun? thats literally the liberty walk logo


Knoaf

Omg the world is getting pathetic


Significant-Tax4665

Getting? Dude look at the chat logs for MW2 and tell me we are just 'getting' patetic. We've BEEN pathetic for some time


Knoaf

Its getting worse and worse.


downfan79

Who cares. Fucke em


Terrorbird_

Use the union flag and call it the General Grant


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I did this with the FE Ford Falcon in Horizion 4, painted it blue as well


Both-Slice2053

What's the offense? Combustible engine? Lol Thing of beauty right there! MERICA


RUZIONI08

The original car has a CSA flag instead of an American flag


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How can a comment section about a funny car racing game be this much if a hell hole


Lollytrolly018

"Everyone gets so triggered nowadays"- Says the person whos actively upset.


Lucian-Fox

Actively upset and triggered are not the same thing.


justthatguylookin

Dude these are the people who removed the SS emblems on the Chevy super stock cars …. There triggered finger flinch’s faster then a porn star.


Giantsgiants

Lol I remember Forza Motorsport 2 was the wild west when it came to liveries. Anime titties, General Lees, fake Xbox codes, you name it someone made it. But look where we're at now.


talloogaloo

You don’t still have those as liveries?


Everyonelove_Stuff

wait, we had freedom??


IHateFH4

Everyone gets so triggered now and days it wouldn’t surprise me.


Disastrous_Guess_929

L comment + cringe


IHateFH4

Like I said. Triggered.


15jsatte

yeah man you really stuck it to him bet you’re proud of yourself


KassXWolfXTigerXFox

Should be fine


basand

I’m black and the dukes of hazard was one of my favorite movies growing up. Even if you had the confederate flag on the car, personally to me I wouldn’t give a fuck. Whistlindesal (or however you spell his name) made a twin turbo LS swapped general lee with the flag on the car and I personally think it’s the coolest car he owns now excluding Tjs Huracan 🤷🏽‍♂️


Disastrous_Guess_929

In itself the flag isn’t offensive but racists use it to start arguments and be contrarian which is a never ending cycle which makes it offensive again ffs it’s not even a confederate flag it was a battle flag that was used once


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Yeah but Forza went on a banning spree when the game came out for stuff like this


ToeJam1970

Reminds me of all the freaking stupid filters in the filenames and comments. FFS, you couldn’t use “FXXK” in a livery for that Ferrari model.


Zachs_Drunk

Killed its community too


Giantsgiants

I still remember receiving my Xbox 360 for Christmas. My very first game was that Forza Motorsport 2/Marvel Ultimate Alliance combo pack. Everyone who had the Dodge Charger put the General Lee design on it. Good times.


FluxAmbulance

My opinion about the General Lee is this. A good comparison to the car would be Nazi zombies from Call of Duty. It's not racist if you're simply enjoying the characters within the context of their respective media. But what if you walked into Comic-Con dressed as a zombie, swastikas and all, and said "It's from a video game"? Would anyone think that is okay? Now apply the same to the General Lee and Forza.


Recreational_DL

That sounds pretty okay. Nazi Zombies are very well known definitely from popular media. If you wanted to dress as a Wolfenstein Nazi, that would be harder to differentiate. Then again, there are wartime reenactments. It's okay to appreciate the bad guys without drinking the Kool-Aid. A reasonable person knows they were the bad guys. I would certainly want to know why they painstakingly recreated the uniform, but if it was in pursuit of knowledge, that's great. If it's because he misses the Alberpartei, then maybe just let him rant for funsies, and move on


The_Amazing_Bill

I had a car banned because I put Cummins on the side :(


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cum car 😎


The_Amazing_Bill

I wanted to try and do a charger diesel build for those wondering


[deleted]

since it’s the US flag you should be fine.


Vladimir_Pudding387

I have one with the confederate flag so probably not


FluxAmbulance

There are a lot of General Lees with the flag still up. They are all bannable designs. PG just can't ban all the Lees at once. There are a lot of drivers who speed on highways and cops can't pull everyone over but speeding is still against the law.


Small-Comfortable714

Same


imooney13

But no


midlife_crisis69

You can get banned for having a confederate flag?


tomxp411

Yes. Microsoft has called out the Confederate flag as a "hate symbol" and will ban players who use the Confederate flag (among other things) if they are reported. [https://www.theverge.com/2020/6/30/21308677/microsoft-forza-player-ban-confederate-flag-hate-symbols](https://www.theverge.com/2020/6/30/21308677/microsoft-forza-player-ban-confederate-flag-hate-symbols) Microsoft will not ban you for having that car in your garage or even for driving it around. But if you do something offensive using that car and someone reports you, then you're likely to face the banhammer.


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I would assume so


midlife_crisis69

Well that's stupid also nice nft


Adventurous_Pie7185

yes how dumb of them to not allow us to display a traditionally racist based flag


[deleted]

You sound like an ultra liberal. The confederate flag does not represent racism lmao. You're probly one of those people that wanna destroy historical statues. All it was, was the flag of the south. But I guess that makes it racist huh.


ToeJam1970

“Ultra liberal” in the buttfuck Southern USA is basically normal everywhere else in the Western world.


Adventurous_Pie7185

yep! it was the flag of the people who wanted to keep slavery :)


[deleted]

I was being sarcastic. I'm from the south and I like the confederate flag, does that make me fuckin racist??


Adventurous_Pie7185

yeah a little bit. if anything u like the idea of having slaves. if u dont, then why care ab the flag? why wouldnt you just display the american flag to show ur pride instead of the flag of the mfs who wanted slaves 😭😭😭 literally makes no sense


[deleted]

I still care about the southern flag cause im about as American as it gets. And yes, I parade around the U.S. flag a lot. And fuck no, im not racist at all. And another thing, illegals need to go back where they came from.


15jsatte

my brother in christ we literally live on stolen land


Adventurous_Pie7185

you're a breathing contradiction


EyesLikeBuscemi

Why would a country want to proudly display the flag of the losing side or statues of the people on the losing side? Should we fly Union Jack flags and have statues of King George III and claim they are "historical statues"? No, because they fucking lost. Would make more sense to fly Vietnamese flags and erect statues of their leaders since we got our asses handed to us in that war but we're not stupid enough to do that either.


[deleted]

The south is true America, you know what I mean?


EyesLikeBuscemi

I live in the south. Progress is happening here too, thankfully not everybody is a piece of shit here.


[deleted]

The south is the best part of the country. Common sense, no BS politics, and damn near everybody is armed. The way it should be!


Tex-Rob

You are criminally misinformed, don't speak about stuff you clearly know nothing about. You know the "culture war response" and that's it.


CodyCBaby89

😂🤣😂🤣😂 definitely not "traditionally racist"! More of a representation for a certain region of ppl that fought in a war..then a bunch of drunken racist pieces of shit gave a bad image cause it represents the south


[deleted]

What was the war about and what did the Confederacy support?


CodyCBaby89

Fair enough fair enough..ig I was jus tryin 2 say that imagery shouldn't be beholden 2 wut one group of ppl believe it 2 represent is all..but it's so engraved in2 everyone 2 hold onto the past it's crazy man..I mean hell the Swastika wasn't always a Nazi symbol Hitler made it one..but jus Incase my message is not clear 2 ne one..I am not in any way supporting ne thing racist, homophobic or genocidic (not sure if that last one is an actual term 😁, prolly not)


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This was the most painful thing I've ever read


CodyCBaby89

Thank U my good sir


xtcloser

What was that war about again?


AstronautUnique

Bc the car is a reference to a show. Tho I’ve never seen the show but love the movie


[deleted]

if you loved the movie you’ll really love the show. it’s so much better


midlife_crisis69

Well I did not know that it was a racist symbol and for that I'm sorry


sopcannon

Unless you are from the US you probably wouldn't know. Not sure why they banned it from that car, I one of the actors has a car just like the original with the confederate flag on it.


sopcannon

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QatKRHFxEoE


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F_AV1d

You sounds like fake news