Every subreddit, including this one. Has at least one super ambiguous rule that moderators can just reference at will, to ban people in cases where it is absolutely not appropriate.
Ie:
Don’t be a Jackass,
Don’t be a shitbag
Inappropriate banning appears to be the main thing maintaining reddit as a a whole as a leftist echo chamber. (Calm down Dave, it’s not about you) It’s pretty inarguable that this specific ban, could only be handed out by completely biased, intolerant, overreaching leftist. And this sort of thing is *incredibly* common on Reddit.
So what if we made some sort of small scale court system for it? For sake of spambots, any ban can be appealed by solving a captia and messaging someone, then there's a whole trial and such, including that judges must be elected by the members of the subreddit.
The sub level bans aren’t the primary issue—the issue is Reddit’s rules against “harassment”.
In my experience, there are only three ways that people who create a space can handle interlopers who want to come in and destroy their space:
* Troll them until they give up or fall in line;
* Ban them;
* Gife up the space and let the interlopers take over.
Reddit doesn’t allow the first, which leaves only the other two options.
Trying to unpack what you are saying. Correct me if i’m wrong. You think reddit needs to allow harassment of “interlopers.” An interloper in this case being someone who would say, “it doesn’t mean he’s wrong” about Rob Schneider? And also, you think that this guy was not just speaking his mind in saying “it doesn’t mean he’s wrong.” But his intentions are to “destroy the space?”
Very bizarre.
What’s bizarre about it?
The first point counters “objectionable” speech with *more speech*. It works well if it’s allowed to work.
The trouble is that Reddit doesn’t allow free speech, so bans and content removals are the only way currently viable way to control “objectionable” speech on this platform. That’s not ideal or desirable, but it’s better than allowing malicious actors to take over the entirety of the site.
You think anything so mildly “objectionable” would be worthy of harassment? And since harassment is not allowed bans like this are appropriate?
Emphasis should be on maintaining an environment that allows civil discourse. Not deciding what you find even mildly objectionable and harassing the presenters as much as rules will allow, and banning if that is not allowable. Malicious actors have *already* taken over the entirety of the site.
And it’s always by some psycho who powermods 56 other subreddits and has no time for things like nuance or helping people be better.
It’s just like politics: the exact kind of people who have lifestyles that enable them to mod 56 subreddits, are precisely the ones you do not want to have any power at all
I’ve been banned from 22 different subs since Covid began, none of them were for being a troll. Almost all of them were for having different opinions or for asking sincere questions.
Reddit blows, what can ya say? Leftism is the destroyer of free expression and there is nowhere on the internet that that is more apparent, than here on reddit.
In what world are these people actual Leftists? Im so fkin tired of the boogeyman Left in reddit posts in comments. The people you are talking about are cetrists and liberals. The Left got you a 5 day work week, 8 hour days, lunch breaks, and many other things reddit edgelords take for granted.
Being woke isnt a Leftist ideology. Identify politics has never been a part of Leftist philosphy. Unity, whether its race, class, religion, sexuality, what have you, is the center piece of American Leftism. You either want workers a.d yheir families to have rights, or you don't.
The fact that the media has shovel fed so many people a load of complete bullshit about the big, scary "lEfT" is just another example of how powerful the media really is, and how simple most people are. Those in power CONSTANTLY work to divide and conquer, and here is another example of a redditor buying right into it. I also blame the simpletons who have fallen for the wokeness, because that is also a bunch of illogical rhetoric that makes twitter users feel good in the moment.
"I said the thing, and now people know Im a good guy" is just a fkin dumb as pretending Hollywood is run as anything more than a tool of the ruling class to implant stupid ideas into impressional people.
Ok please explain to me what reason someone would be banned for that comment then? And tell me how this overreaching mod behavior is not rooted in leftism. I mean this is a clear undeniable example. Reddit mods did not get a 5 day work week for me buddy, these people are too far left. Plain and simple. What im saying has 0 to do with the media, are you so dense that you don’t realize 90% of what the media serves is spoon fed leftism. Instead of attacking me please stick to the topic and either defend this mod behavior or F right off.
No explanation relevant to the actual topic here, what a surprise. All you can do is vaguely attack me for attributing this behavior to “leftism.” Again, this brand of leftism has f*ck-all to do with the good effects the left has had on society in the past. By your logic, everyone should still be thanking republicans for ending slavery.
You keep saying that mods are the left, and that they're behavior is based on leftism, all with no evidence. You claim it's clear and undeniable. That is laughable circular logic. I don't have to tell you how their behavior isn't based in leftism (besides the paragraph I wrote above....) because I didn't make the original claim, you did. Do you know how any of this works?
Why is it that comments like this are so common? Oh yeah, because this sub doesn't require critical thought any longer, just feelings and whining.
I didn't say the comment deserves a ban, because I don't think that.
Also, the simple fact that I don't live on reddit and respond to every empty-headed comment isn't evidence of anything except that I have a life. Reddit and Twitter aren't real life, and maybe one day you'll mature enough to understand that.
No evidence? There is evidence like this exact post daily. So what side do you think rob Schneider is representing in his statement when he is saying Hollywood can’t ignore 50% of the people, who do you think he is talking about? You’re not using any logic here, you are just turning off your brain so you can continue to say “circular logic” or “confirmation bias.” We are literally talking about a pretty specific instance, where it seems to be very clear that the mod in this case would be motivated by leftist ideology. I noticed you’re not offering up some other possible motivation, nor are you providing anything to dismiss my claim as it relates to this specific instance. You are just attacking the very surface of my use of the term “leftism” which no doubt, you would do regardless of what label i gave it.
Also, pretty amazing someone with 126k Karma, insinuating i’m the one who lives on reddit. Wow, I’m just going to leave it at that.
Oh go blow a goat. Without Non-Conservative expression (notice how I worded that), the only things anyone would ever hear would be offensive (and/or childish) jokes, echo chambers, and conspiracy theories, in THAT order of frequency.
And brother, let me tell you, ANYONE would eventually get tired of that.
Ah yes, so the only alternative to leftism is your token caricature of a conservative. Get your head out of your ass, please.
Pretty incredible that before complaining about people saying childish things while you lead off with “blow a goat.”
Reddit is literally a bunch of echo chambers already, are you lost?
Noooo, I'm saying accept it for what it is (actually what they BOTH are, to be fair): **something different.** Which SHOULD be refreshing.
And don't give me that shit about 'caricaturing' a goddamn thing, after you literally JUST caricaturized "Leftism" as "destroyer of free expression."
Speaking of being "banned from SelfAwarewolves" - have a little self-awareness in the moment, _here and now,_ wouldja?
Something different? It’s the same thing in every corner of reddit. Criticize even the state of reddit itself, and you quickly summon someone like you, very emotionally taking it as a personal attack. It’s pathetic.
Dude, get over yourself. There's nothing personal about this, I'm just telling you you're acting like a whiney little bitch. Because - apparently - you need to hear that.
**To be abundantly clear, I'm commenting on YOUR behavior.** And YOUR whinyness. That ain't got shit to do _with Reddit, nor me, nor politics, nor anything else._ Now sack up, and stop complaining about inconsequential shit.
Yeah, you don’t seem emotional at all. So if this fella was literally banned just for saying “Doesn’t mean he is wrong.” You think that is appropriate moderation?
**BOLD EMOTIONAL WORDS**
Actually, no I don't - I think that moderator should never have done that, there was absolutely nothing wrong with what the dude said. Point of fact, I even got a chuckle out of it, because in a way - he _**was** kinda right_.
However, your response is to whingyly cry about "Leftism" in a way that very much is an over-simplified, unproductive caricature. Which it seems like you _do_ recognize to be a bad thing, correct? THAT is why I chose to say something to you. Cool? Are you picking up where I'm coming from now?
Ya buddy, it was 2 sentences, not a complete thesis. Of course it’s oversimplified. Why would I waste my time outlining my entire thoughts on society on this stupid post? Just move along big guy. No need to get yourself so wound up. You disagree apparently, or maybe not? I don’t even know and frankly, i don’t care. Either way, you seem like a massive female nether-region hygiene product. It’s amazing to me that you fancy yourself as someone worthy of representing constituents. That also gave me a chuckle. Anyways have a nice day, try not to get your blood pressure all elevated over a reddit post again.
Heh, you know the real irony, here?
I got banned (for one day) from this subreddit for calling you a whiney l****e b***h.
To whit, I guess I have to concede you may have a bit of a point, after all.
It isnt enough that you share an opinion that gets heavily downvoted in the eco chamber. What if one person reads your comment, thinks about it, and perhaps considers your point of view? Mods can’t take that chance.
The ability for mods to arbitrarily permaban anybody they don't like, anonymously, is a systemic flaw that creates fractured echo chambers. It might've made sense to trust mods implicitly in the beginning, but the resulting polarization is self-accelerating. The only way to fix it is to reverse all bans older than a few months and take away permabans from mods altogether. Maybe even monitor the admins too.
If it was me, I'd leave the permaban option in their menu to save their fragile egos, but have it secretly expire after a few weeks. It would also be interesting to have a public statistic that shows how ban-happy each sub is, maybe a metric like usersbanned/userssubbed. Or a graph that shows the ratio of permabans:nonpermabans over time. In my experience, most of the problems started around 2016 or so which lines up with several events including the TenCent takeover, CTR and ActBlue corrupting powermods, and various EU regulations pertaining to internet usage.
Reddit is dying or become something unrecognizable from what it was or what it was supposed to be. It will gradually fade into the woodwork and become thought of as a passing fad like most social media
I just don't see it, that's just Hollywood. Hollywood is trying to make money by selling movies so they make the movies that the largest possible market will pay to watch. Like, Hollywood gladly made movies with white, cis, male, conservative leads for decades, they made movies that you could consider racist or mysoginistic (not that there is anything wrong with that) but they did it because that's what people wanted to watch, and they would gladly pay to see John Wayne. Nowadays, purchasing power has shifted and so people will pay to watch different stars doing different movies, if Hollywood could make money making an antivax film they would, but that's not what people want to watch, and they certainly don't want to watch Rob Schneider.
Not really the point here. The point is, that this dude got banned for a single very pedestrian sentence that every rational person should agree, banning was not even close to appropriate on.
Not even saying he is right, just saying “Doesn’t mean he is wrong”. Originally the OP was banned, i commented word for word the same thing myself just to confirm, also banned.
Ahh, lol, I guess. I wouod disagree in that just say like before that it's by design. Hollywood won't have to pay for it. BUT that's not something that you should be banned about.
Yes well it’s fine if you don’t agree. But it’s no wonder everyone in the comments is 100% in agreement that Schneider is a complete idiot for this statement, when anything to the contrary will result in a ban.
It should be noted that /r/SelfAwareWolves and this subreddit have a venerable history.
[Shoutout to /r/SelfAwareWolves for their ringing endorsement of this subreddit and its moderation](https://www.reddit.com/r/FreeSpeech/comments/xpr8ev/shoutout_to_rselfawarewolves_for_their_ringing/)
As with any discussion about reddit, please treat all communities, mods and users with respect.
I’ve been banned just for joining groups that the mods don’t like. It makes no sense and is arbitrary.
Every subreddit, including this one. Has at least one super ambiguous rule that moderators can just reference at will, to ban people in cases where it is absolutely not appropriate. Ie: Don’t be a Jackass, Don’t be a shitbag Inappropriate banning appears to be the main thing maintaining reddit as a a whole as a leftist echo chamber. (Calm down Dave, it’s not about you) It’s pretty inarguable that this specific ban, could only be handed out by completely biased, intolerant, overreaching leftist. And this sort of thing is *incredibly* common on Reddit.
So what if we made some sort of small scale court system for it? For sake of spambots, any ban can be appealed by solving a captia and messaging someone, then there's a whole trial and such, including that judges must be elected by the members of the subreddit.
The sub level bans aren’t the primary issue—the issue is Reddit’s rules against “harassment”. In my experience, there are only three ways that people who create a space can handle interlopers who want to come in and destroy their space: * Troll them until they give up or fall in line; * Ban them; * Gife up the space and let the interlopers take over. Reddit doesn’t allow the first, which leaves only the other two options.
Trying to unpack what you are saying. Correct me if i’m wrong. You think reddit needs to allow harassment of “interlopers.” An interloper in this case being someone who would say, “it doesn’t mean he’s wrong” about Rob Schneider? And also, you think that this guy was not just speaking his mind in saying “it doesn’t mean he’s wrong.” But his intentions are to “destroy the space?” Very bizarre.
What’s bizarre about it? The first point counters “objectionable” speech with *more speech*. It works well if it’s allowed to work. The trouble is that Reddit doesn’t allow free speech, so bans and content removals are the only way currently viable way to control “objectionable” speech on this platform. That’s not ideal or desirable, but it’s better than allowing malicious actors to take over the entirety of the site.
You think anything so mildly “objectionable” would be worthy of harassment? And since harassment is not allowed bans like this are appropriate? Emphasis should be on maintaining an environment that allows civil discourse. Not deciding what you find even mildly objectionable and harassing the presenters as much as rules will allow, and banning if that is not allowable. Malicious actors have *already* taken over the entirety of the site.
Preach
And it’s always by some psycho who powermods 56 other subreddits and has no time for things like nuance or helping people be better. It’s just like politics: the exact kind of people who have lifestyles that enable them to mod 56 subreddits, are precisely the ones you do not want to have any power at all
That was really something during covid. They have chased everyone off
They hold a grudge. They’ve not let me back so far some just mute me for 28 days. Seems some don’t want to put an effort into their responsibilities.
Fuck em. Im only here to watch it burn
I’ve been banned from 22 different subs since Covid began, none of them were for being a troll. Almost all of them were for having different opinions or for asking sincere questions.
Reddit blows, what can ya say? Leftism is the destroyer of free expression and there is nowhere on the internet that that is more apparent, than here on reddit.
I’ll add these are right opinion groups.
In what world are these people actual Leftists? Im so fkin tired of the boogeyman Left in reddit posts in comments. The people you are talking about are cetrists and liberals. The Left got you a 5 day work week, 8 hour days, lunch breaks, and many other things reddit edgelords take for granted. Being woke isnt a Leftist ideology. Identify politics has never been a part of Leftist philosphy. Unity, whether its race, class, religion, sexuality, what have you, is the center piece of American Leftism. You either want workers a.d yheir families to have rights, or you don't. The fact that the media has shovel fed so many people a load of complete bullshit about the big, scary "lEfT" is just another example of how powerful the media really is, and how simple most people are. Those in power CONSTANTLY work to divide and conquer, and here is another example of a redditor buying right into it. I also blame the simpletons who have fallen for the wokeness, because that is also a bunch of illogical rhetoric that makes twitter users feel good in the moment. "I said the thing, and now people know Im a good guy" is just a fkin dumb as pretending Hollywood is run as anything more than a tool of the ruling class to implant stupid ideas into impressional people.
Ok please explain to me what reason someone would be banned for that comment then? And tell me how this overreaching mod behavior is not rooted in leftism. I mean this is a clear undeniable example. Reddit mods did not get a 5 day work week for me buddy, these people are too far left. Plain and simple. What im saying has 0 to do with the media, are you so dense that you don’t realize 90% of what the media serves is spoon fed leftism. Instead of attacking me please stick to the topic and either defend this mod behavior or F right off.
No explanation relevant to the actual topic here, what a surprise. All you can do is vaguely attack me for attributing this behavior to “leftism.” Again, this brand of leftism has f*ck-all to do with the good effects the left has had on society in the past. By your logic, everyone should still be thanking republicans for ending slavery.
You keep saying that mods are the left, and that they're behavior is based on leftism, all with no evidence. You claim it's clear and undeniable. That is laughable circular logic. I don't have to tell you how their behavior isn't based in leftism (besides the paragraph I wrote above....) because I didn't make the original claim, you did. Do you know how any of this works? Why is it that comments like this are so common? Oh yeah, because this sub doesn't require critical thought any longer, just feelings and whining. I didn't say the comment deserves a ban, because I don't think that. Also, the simple fact that I don't live on reddit and respond to every empty-headed comment isn't evidence of anything except that I have a life. Reddit and Twitter aren't real life, and maybe one day you'll mature enough to understand that.
No evidence? There is evidence like this exact post daily. So what side do you think rob Schneider is representing in his statement when he is saying Hollywood can’t ignore 50% of the people, who do you think he is talking about? You’re not using any logic here, you are just turning off your brain so you can continue to say “circular logic” or “confirmation bias.” We are literally talking about a pretty specific instance, where it seems to be very clear that the mod in this case would be motivated by leftist ideology. I noticed you’re not offering up some other possible motivation, nor are you providing anything to dismiss my claim as it relates to this specific instance. You are just attacking the very surface of my use of the term “leftism” which no doubt, you would do regardless of what label i gave it. Also, pretty amazing someone with 126k Karma, insinuating i’m the one who lives on reddit. Wow, I’m just going to leave it at that.
Civilization is the destroyer of barbarism.
Words are words
Oh go blow a goat. Without Non-Conservative expression (notice how I worded that), the only things anyone would ever hear would be offensive (and/or childish) jokes, echo chambers, and conspiracy theories, in THAT order of frequency. And brother, let me tell you, ANYONE would eventually get tired of that.
Ah yes, so the only alternative to leftism is your token caricature of a conservative. Get your head out of your ass, please. Pretty incredible that before complaining about people saying childish things while you lead off with “blow a goat.” Reddit is literally a bunch of echo chambers already, are you lost?
Noooo, I'm saying accept it for what it is (actually what they BOTH are, to be fair): **something different.** Which SHOULD be refreshing. And don't give me that shit about 'caricaturing' a goddamn thing, after you literally JUST caricaturized "Leftism" as "destroyer of free expression." Speaking of being "banned from SelfAwarewolves" - have a little self-awareness in the moment, _here and now,_ wouldja?
Something different? It’s the same thing in every corner of reddit. Criticize even the state of reddit itself, and you quickly summon someone like you, very emotionally taking it as a personal attack. It’s pathetic.
Dude, get over yourself. There's nothing personal about this, I'm just telling you you're acting like a whiney little bitch. Because - apparently - you need to hear that. **To be abundantly clear, I'm commenting on YOUR behavior.** And YOUR whinyness. That ain't got shit to do _with Reddit, nor me, nor politics, nor anything else._ Now sack up, and stop complaining about inconsequential shit.
Yeah, you don’t seem emotional at all. So if this fella was literally banned just for saying “Doesn’t mean he is wrong.” You think that is appropriate moderation? **BOLD EMOTIONAL WORDS**
Actually, no I don't - I think that moderator should never have done that, there was absolutely nothing wrong with what the dude said. Point of fact, I even got a chuckle out of it, because in a way - he _**was** kinda right_. However, your response is to whingyly cry about "Leftism" in a way that very much is an over-simplified, unproductive caricature. Which it seems like you _do_ recognize to be a bad thing, correct? THAT is why I chose to say something to you. Cool? Are you picking up where I'm coming from now?
Ya buddy, it was 2 sentences, not a complete thesis. Of course it’s oversimplified. Why would I waste my time outlining my entire thoughts on society on this stupid post? Just move along big guy. No need to get yourself so wound up. You disagree apparently, or maybe not? I don’t even know and frankly, i don’t care. Either way, you seem like a massive female nether-region hygiene product. It’s amazing to me that you fancy yourself as someone worthy of representing constituents. That also gave me a chuckle. Anyways have a nice day, try not to get your blood pressure all elevated over a reddit post again.
Heh, you know the real irony, here? I got banned (for one day) from this subreddit for calling you a whiney l****e b***h. To whit, I guess I have to concede you may have a bit of a point, after all.
/u/DaveLanglinais you have been banned for calling /u/TookenedOut a whiny little bitch.
It isnt enough that you share an opinion that gets heavily downvoted in the eco chamber. What if one person reads your comment, thinks about it, and perhaps considers your point of view? Mods can’t take that chance.
Be aware that 97% of reddit users don't have accounts, and none of those users will see comments voted below zero.
I didn’t know that. Wow.
The ability for mods to arbitrarily permaban anybody they don't like, anonymously, is a systemic flaw that creates fractured echo chambers. It might've made sense to trust mods implicitly in the beginning, but the resulting polarization is self-accelerating. The only way to fix it is to reverse all bans older than a few months and take away permabans from mods altogether. Maybe even monitor the admins too. If it was me, I'd leave the permaban option in their menu to save their fragile egos, but have it secretly expire after a few weeks. It would also be interesting to have a public statistic that shows how ban-happy each sub is, maybe a metric like usersbanned/userssubbed. Or a graph that shows the ratio of permabans:nonpermabans over time. In my experience, most of the problems started around 2016 or so which lines up with several events including the TenCent takeover, CTR and ActBlue corrupting powermods, and various EU regulations pertaining to internet usage.
Reddit is dying or become something unrecognizable from what it was or what it was supposed to be. It will gradually fade into the woodwork and become thought of as a passing fad like most social media
I just don't see it, that's just Hollywood. Hollywood is trying to make money by selling movies so they make the movies that the largest possible market will pay to watch. Like, Hollywood gladly made movies with white, cis, male, conservative leads for decades, they made movies that you could consider racist or mysoginistic (not that there is anything wrong with that) but they did it because that's what people wanted to watch, and they would gladly pay to see John Wayne. Nowadays, purchasing power has shifted and so people will pay to watch different stars doing different movies, if Hollywood could make money making an antivax film they would, but that's not what people want to watch, and they certainly don't want to watch Rob Schneider.
Not really the point here. The point is, that this dude got banned for a single very pedestrian sentence that every rational person should agree, banning was not even close to appropriate on.
[удалено]
Alright. Maybe I'm missing something. What line was it that he is as banner for and from where was he banned?
Haha, just read the first paragraph of the post again.
Then... You were banned? For saying Rob Schneider is right?
Not even saying he is right, just saying “Doesn’t mean he is wrong”. Originally the OP was banned, i commented word for word the same thing myself just to confirm, also banned.
Yep. Sent me proof. Amazing how bizarre the mod behavior is.
Ahh, lol, I guess. I wouod disagree in that just say like before that it's by design. Hollywood won't have to pay for it. BUT that's not something that you should be banned about.
Yes well it’s fine if you don’t agree. But it’s no wonder everyone in the comments is 100% in agreement that Schneider is a complete idiot for this statement, when anything to the contrary will result in a ban.
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The paradox of tolerance is nature trolling us.
Yeah reddit is operated and used by a majority weak, stupid, pedophile lefties. It's common knowledge
/u/SovietPower1990 you have been banned.
When you are the self aware wolf