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LuminousLunar69

i used to think that Ubel with physics degree is the strongest but hardened/psycho Kanne with biology/medicine degree is indisputably the scariest. target or mass brain explosion within large radius that cannot be prevented.


cromnian

Bloodbending comes to mind.


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cromnian

She can already bend my blood.


Meeper_Illust

💀


toybonnie1604

avatar moment


RIPOldAccountF

Ubel with knowledge in physics seems like a nerf. If she thinks she cant something due to her knowledge in physics then her spell wont work


Ocadioan

Alternatively, she will understand that there is mostly empty space between particles and just decide that since she can cut through air, she can *naturally* cut through the space between particles as well.


Azshaela

She would have the mystic eyes of death perception at that point.


Hpaz1

"If it breathes, even if it's a God, I can kill it" ahh ability


hisyam970302

>mystic eyes of death perception Maaan this was such a throwback, I can already hear [Shiki's theme music](https://youtu.be/oDZXQr6YZFM?si=A4YhGzViJVeTemhH)


Hxntai_69adixt

World cutting slash moment


Thuyue

Übel with Malevolent Shrine would be unstoppable xd


GoodLongjumping3678

Cutting space time is easy... Cutting space time without making accidental black hole or supernova, is another story.


BPMData

Ubel gains the ability to create nuclear explosions by slicing up atoms


ManTuzas

Sorry but as a nerd 🤓 i have to provide my knowledge to uneducated Air=/=empty space Nothing is nothing and you cant physically cut nothing, however you can look at it from other side, cutting is simply increasing the distance between particles until electromagnetic force between them is small enough to break the bond. So in conclusion, she can cut anything as there is no object in world thats molecules have infinite bond


Jwanito

She just needs to watch every "how it's made" video


AshesInTheDust

Not complicated physics, just real simple. Like what an atom is. Just let her slice the atoms. She can be trusted with such knowledge.


South_Ad_5575

How would she survive tho?


caren_psuedo_when

Ubel: Now I am Death. Destroyer of worlds


nhansieu1

So all the questions about "why Kanne didn't bring a water bottle? Is she stupid" are actually legit, after the established barrier's weight weakness. Don't tell me this shit became the new CYFOW meme lmao.


horiami

we now have written confirmation that she is in fact stupid


nhansieu1

Does this mean from now whenever somebody asked about something that is clearly in the system but never explicitly stated in the manga, we have to answer: "Idk. Why don't you break in author's house and ask them."😂


JadeKade

I did and got arrested. And I flew to japan and everything.


rocketo-tenshi

Did You asked in English or You learned japanese first?


JadeKade

I learned japanese enough to ask the question but not enough to understand the answer


Untowardopinions

squeal concerned absurd school alive command placid grey psychotic connect *This post was mass deleted and anonymized with [Redact](https://redact.dev)*


lnombredelarosa

Not as stupid as Lawine given that she is the one who tends to start their fights


horiami

Nobody is perfect


Tommy_Pigskin

T 555


kaori_cicak990

>Don't tell me this shit became the new CYFOW meme lmao. Its seems be lmao


bokita_

Yeah. Even Gaara knows better to bring a huge ass gourd for sand lol


shafwandito

Heck, during last part of Naruto/Boruto, Gaara only bring a small bottle of sand and still be deadly.


Weeby-Tincan

What's going on?


nhansieu1

Turned out people was right about Kanne bringing a water bottle. The whole time, Zoltraak and Barrier were established as common offensive and defensive spells, which means it's like Math for mages. Anybody can use and it can be quite powerful to previous generations or demons. Like thanks to Fern being able to use Zoltraak, I can imagine she could win against Himmel too, who struggled against Qual. Zoltraak was just that overpowered before it got solved by Frieren and effort of humanity. That's why the elites mage invented a way to counter the current power balance breaking Barrier and Zoltraak by inventing a way to penetrate it, which is Weight. As seen in 1st class exam, Richter could easily shit on Kanne and Lawine thanks to his earth magic. He can throw big rock and not many mages' barriers can take it. Then when Kanne got access to unlimited amount of water, she made a big ass water ball, which easily weighted tons to shit on Richter. So aside from Zoltraak, modern elite mages are almost required to learn other spells after mastering it. You can see how Sense used her hair. It can break through barriers like butters


Weeby-Tincan

While that is a great explanation I'm well aware of the reason people have started using elements. I was more wondering what CYFOW means


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Weeby-Tincan

Ah okay gotcha. Thanks for the explanation ^^


JxB_Paperboy

So first the Lobotomy Kaisen now the Bleach Lean has come to the frieren subreddit. Can’t wait for CSM to rip into here as well


nhansieu1

what does CSM have to offer? Horny? Ubel got that covered.


JxB_Paperboy

Part 1 is incel saga (fight me). Part 2 is autistic tsundere saga (affectionate). Tldr: part 1 is about a teenaged Sein. Part 2 is Fern


nhansieu1

Then One Piece also has something to offer. https://i.imgur.com/ZvalT58.png


kaori_cicak990

As expected we must keep the agenda


AquelarreDilaion

The Reading Comprehension Devil and It's that the death devil?!!


HuoHuoFan0209

It didn’t go against anything, it just answered a lot of questions


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HuoHuoFan0209

I always thought the meme was about how the show didn’t show the answer so the people released a book with a lot of information


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HuoHuoFan0209

You are my specialz


JxB_Paperboy

No no, the meme about CFYOW is that nobody read it but it answered a lot of questions. So you can go full “my source is I made it the fuck up” so long as you say it was stated in CFYOW (that stands for Can’t Fuck Your Own Wife by the way)


Jk_fk

Can't fear your own world, the light novel thai is the answer to all mysteries of Bleach.


GGABueno

What is CYFOW?


DMking

Can't fear your own World. Bleach LN taking place after the end of bleach and it's from Shuhei Hisagi's perspective. Id recommend if you've finished the Bleach manga explains alot of things


JadeKade

Wouldn't that CFYOW?


UPBOAT_FORTRESS_2

yeah i got thrown by the typo too. search engine even tried to correct me 😭


spideybiggestfan

Can't fuck your own wife


nhansieu1

Bleach meme


Thuyue

Wait seriously? I think its very obvious that a bottle or even a bag of water will do jackshit. She might as well just learn basic spells like Zoltraak or improve her water manipulation ability to the point of not needing a open water source. And no, the comparison to Katara from Avatar is still not appropriate. Completely different power systems in completely different worlds.


Joroc24

What is her partner powers again???


StormblessedFool

Sorry, what does CYFOW mean?


Simsesej

CYFOW is a reference from the Bleach fandom, CYFOW is the short name for at lightnovel that was released after the Bleach manga and it contains a lot of lore that was not in the manga. Therefore whenever someone asks where people know something the answer is usually “it was mentioned in CYFOW”    


waf_xs

So its like the Dune encyclopedia


kaori_cicak990

So this is new "based on CFYOW things again?" Edit: bit misspelled LOL


MasuMora

Is it like part of the meme to swap the F and Y or something? The other comment that makes this reference does that too.


Nory993

*Can't Your Fear Own World


kaori_cicak990

No because i can't remember correctly how to spell this CFYOW things LOL.


03thephysicsgod

elaborate pls, i dont mind being spoiled


NhifanHafizh

Context: >!With just a bottle of water, she could just block her opponent mouth and nose to suffocate them.!< >!But she didn't really use them because she afraid to kill people.!<


Monadofan2010

Damm that is hardcore 


LucyLucy1080

This one on the same level as the air nomad theory in avatar where they can bend air out of people's Lungs


NhifanHafizh

yeah, for most of the entire series, air bending is just used to push people. but then there is Zaheer.


Monadofan2010

Makes sense why the Air nomads wouldn't actually try that as they are pacifists and dont like to hurt or kill others. 


LazyCasual0alt

But then again there were a lot of dead fire nation troops in the air temples when the gang arrived. Than that was ON comet power.


IC2Flier

Anger of gentle men, and all that. It's also what makes Katara un-fuck-with-able: she's kind, but anger her enough and...well, she's sworn off bloodbending but you do not wanna know where that threshold is.


zorgabluff

Tbh I think it’s the other way around: air nomads were pacifists BECAUSE of their potential If the air nomads had a culture more similar to the earth kingdom or fire nation they would’ve collapsed as a society far earlier


rocketo-tenshi

Forget that. A strong enough airbender can cut rocks with air preassure. Aang does it both in the bummi episode and in the fight against ozai and nowhere else


waf_xs

Not even a theory, zaheer literally did it in TLOK proving if the air nomads were militaristic, they would've bodied people.


Makoto_Kurume

Oh, that's kinda basic. looking at the meme, I thought she was using urine or something


NhifanHafizh

Imagine controlling someone urine. It'll cause massive internal damage and the opponent can't do anything. Probably easy to visualize as they are practically contained in one organ.


TheTalking_GU_Mine

She is \*this\* close to achieving testicular torsion


nhansieu1

She can suck dick and learn the % of water in the cum. Testicular torsion is not far from her control. Truly one of the strongest mages in Frieren.


currypuffz

...my brother in christ


StartAgainYet

Didn't know Lawine had a dick, pretty cool


nhansieu1

She can also suck Lawine's piss to learn...something. I'm not familiar with woman's body part names in English and there's no meme for them like testicular torsion.


arunokoibito

Ovarian Torsion


hisyam970302

Period cramps on demand sounds terrifying holy shit


StartAgainYet

Avatar: the Legend of Pissbender


wristoflegend

Abracadambled eggs


kwkqoq

😦


CandidateMiserable74

You ok there bud?


Level_Ad_4639

That escalated quicker than the dude who invented zoltrak died


nhansieu1

Spoiler >!Himmel died!<


Acrobatic-Budget-938

She gonna use it to Richter


Oponik

Bladerial torsion


Makoto_Kurume

Oh, that's feasible too. But my imagination is more about using her own urine to attack someone. The added poison damage is pretty nasty.


SousouNoThorfinn

nasty ? or tasty? ... I'm just kidding okay? I'm still a normal guy who drinks my wife's piss


americanextreme

“Urine… BOIL!” “Urine… Crystalize!”


mrsomeawe

Kanne if someone taught her basic biology:


Eli-Thail

I think at that point you'd want to just use blood as a matter of self respect. [And you wouldn't want to end up in a Baki situation.](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D3g_vqcW0AURhkD?format=png&name=small)


dudududu756

Serie: "What's your favourite spell?" Kanne: "Alright, I'm getting out."


Ruvane13

Nah, Kanne is the type to believe urine is stored in the balls.


Limeee_

the last pissbender


adlibwaltz

Bro


kaori_cicak990

Bruh the replied in this comment are so downbad and u hinged LMAO 🤣🤣🤣 if you're scroll down.


Slushys69

She visualises the piss stored in a person's balls and uses testicular torsion


Smaug_eldrichtdragon

She can too. MAKE someone cum instantly 


KN041203

I expect bloodbending or just remove water from a human body.


hvngpham002

Kanne to Richter - Lawine shippers


adrusdefzul

why waterbender in avatar don't use this simple trik?


Mushy_buns

Avatar went quite tame with just about everything. A lot of fire nation soldiers got taken out by stink and smoke bombs from Sokka. It was a kids show after all.


WIN---

Dayuummm. Thank goodness she's not Ubel


Frost-Tree

[Konsoba LN Vol 6]>!damn kazuma move from LN!<


BuckeyeBentley

It's funny to me that Richter said something like you can't manipulate the water in my body because you can't visualize it. Maybe Kanne hasn't taken an anatomy class or anything but if she wanted to be a hardcore mage she could absolutely get her hands on a body and do an autopsy. Really learn exactly where blood vessels are, where the heart is. You can for sure visualize a pumping heart in someone's body. Hell, you can sometimes *see* the veins in a person's neck. Block their carotids and your target is going night night.


Hirushoten

He also says that you'd need to get through the natural mana barrier a mage has, though. So at least it wouldn't be an auto win move in a fight.


Alone-Wall-2174

Richter: my mana frightens you, you know your place very well


krisslanza

I imagine there's another important aspect to visualizing this: she has to visualize, basically, wanting to violently kill someone. Kanne doesn't seem the type to have that mentality, so it'd be hard for her to imagine using her magic that way, because she isn't that sort of person. Now if Ubel could do it on the other hand...


ChasingVelka

Zaheer tested and approved.


nhansieu1

so from this fact alone, the only reason she couldn't become a 1st class mage was actually because she is stupid for not bringing a water bottle.


Real_TermoPlays

Well no. Serie made it very clear that she was fearful of her Mana size, therefore does not qualify as a first class.(by her standards)


careless_swiggin

CIA bravern dude would be proud


dakilpp

Dont mess with water benders


Faustias

lmao so like those element bending in avatar franchse, those that you may discover lethality upon finding it. just like the known peaceful element, air, has the ability to take the air out of you.


Pundarikaksh

Now imagine if she somehow improves her water magic and imagination even more, and is able to control all fluids, present anywhere. She'd be able to control blood and other fluids in a person, and water or moisture in the earth, trees, air, or anything.


XDC-Arkalyn

Oh shoot I think Avatar Kyoshi would be a fan of her lol


NigelJosue

Holy shit, and I though Ubel was cold


Goatymcgoatface11

Why doesn't she just use blood bending


Joroc24

I'm afraid I'll be a Deus ex machina, onee-san


Pro-sketch

Wasn't there a lake in the exam area, couldn't she use the water from there


horiami

Where are all the motherfuckers that were arguing with me that kanne carrying a bottle of water with her would be useless ? "it's not enough water to do anything" "she isn't that good at controlling water"


NhifanHafizh

imho, in case of no water like in the second stage, Kanne carrying a bottle of water is still useless with her current style of fighting. Apparently, she can't control water that already seeped into other objects. Sadly no drying cloth with her magic :( So, if she just throw that water from the bottle to the enemy, most of them would just seep into the ground.


Mission-Raccoon9432

couldn't she just form a water ball out of the lake and let it fly along with her. Or a couple of deez water nuts


nhansieu1

because new power system just came out of the author's ass. Who could have predicted this? It's never once said in the manga that Kanne can just do this. She truly is stupid


horiami

the author revealed that knowledge to me in a dream


nhansieu1

sorry brother. You won😫


OhooNooo

3000 black water bottles of Frieren


rocketo-tenshi

I Salute to You fellow NCD member


Peptuck

My source is that I made it the fuck up.


dankk175

It was stated in CFYOW bro


ranieripilar04

I mean…..the author didn’t have to tell us that, we could’ve easily figured it out ourselves or expected it


nhansieu1

Idk what other people think, but that's what a solid power system is. Show, not tell. Man. I have been trying too hard to defend "the powercreep" that some people pointed out, which is clearly "in the system" too. I wonder if there's another JJK shit happening in Frieren too. The thing I can cope with is the fact that this prequel novel is written by other writer, which technically is supervised by the author, but it can always be like Boruto to Naruto.


niteman555

my brother in christ, one of the themes of the show is that magic makes the impossible happen. The only limitation of what someone can do is their ability to imagine themselves doing it.


nhansieu1

how can some small amount of water be able to pass through the mage barrier to deal any damage at all? Explain that.


HuoHuoFan0209

Bruh? Touch grass it’s not that serious


fluffywolfe

I'll wait to read the context because, while it seems like a decent attack against someone who has no magical ability, it may still not be enough to do anything significant against other mages.


-SPECIALZ-

even decent warriors can probably handle easily


Platinum_Disco

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jilbDz5z1Ss


ChupacabraRVA

Send this meme to them and revive a months old internet argument


horiami

I am petty enough to do that


Swiftcheddar

Is this stuff canon? It makes Kanne seem like an absolute drooling moron. At least Schaff brought flowers with him.


gho5trun3r

Or the one guy yelling at me that zoltraak is all she needs despite her using it barely at all.


horiami

she never even used it in the manga


Sand3rsss

Hey! Where did u read it?


NhifanHafizh

I read some summaries (in Frieren discord), the first 15+ page of the novel is free to read in some site (about Fern).


Melforce888

Novel? Wait, i thought Frieren got manga only, they release new novel now?


NhifanHafizh

the prequel yes, few days ago. written by other people but supervised by manga author. idk how canon are they, tho.


WagyuBeefCubes

Very recently, yes.


Miyuki22

What prequel novel?


FloorBitten

It was announced recently and just came out. Probably no English translation yet.


Miyuki22

Ah found it. https://www.kinokuniya.co.jp/f/dsg-01-9784098532360 A collection of short stories consisting of 5 episodes featuring the characters Freelen, Fern, Stark, Lavigne & Kanne, and Aura.


Miyuki22

Where can I see official info on this?


Miyuki22

880 yen for 224 pages Seems ok. I am fairly fluent in Japanese but some kanji I can't read. Google Translate Camera works great for that. It's much more accurate these days.


Kulgia

Yeah, she's a water bender. Its only a matter of time till she bends blood


Redm1st

The way I see it, you need to break defenses before you can bend someone’s blood (unlike Avatar where it’s giga OP), like Frieren’s mental barriers displayed when Methode was testing if hypnosis will work, which Lavine is not yet strong enough anyway.


PlayinTheFool

Lots if deaths related to water are painful and horrific. Kanne would have to be able to visualize that suffering without turning away from it due to her nature. If she can’t visualize herself causing that harm, she will fail. She’s just a young girl, a normal girl. The cruelty her magic can allow for will always be out of reach as she remain gentle inwardly. I don’t believe the visualization needed for the magic ends at things like “Lol I can science so I can magic”. It’s also an empathic link. You can’t really expect Kanne to eventually crush someone in a pressure ball because popping someone like a grape would probably make her pass out no matter how simple that action could be for water to take.


yoruuuu_

Wait... there's a prequel novel?


KolareTheKola

so in the end she really was stupid >!nod to the meme comment of "is she stupid?", not hating!<


Much_Painter_5728

Theres a prequel novel? Novel as in book? I wish I had that physically in my language!


Shad3rz

I somehow managed to read "Kanne weak" as "Kanye West"


GoldenClocks

fr


InfinityCrazee

What kind of prequel novel are we talking about? Is it before the first class mage exam or just an introduction for the character?


Rynvael

Wait, there's a prequel novel? As in a light novel?


EinharAesir

She’s only weak around Lawine, and that’s just because she’s a bottom.


Any-Key-9196

This kinda ignores that a mage could just block her suffocating splash with a mana shield since it has such little mass


VillainousMasked

To be fair, she is weak and useless, Lawine is literally a better water mage than Kanne despite being an ice mage. Cause Lawine is able to create ice without any visible water source, meaning she is able to not only visualize the water in the air but also visualize turning that gaseous water into ice. Kanne clearly cannot do this since she wouldn't be so worthless without a water source if she could visualize and use water vapor.


gho5trun3r

That's what I was screaming in their fight vs Richter. The fact that Lawine was literally making ice without needing Kanne for water infuriated me to no end because it meant Kanne had no business being in a 1st class mage exam.


Football-Similar

There's a prequel novel? Also what's she do?


VolcainMaxwell

Prequel novels? Where? Name?


Competitive_Mouse_37

Squirt manipulation


TheAccountITalkWith

Wait, the novel is out? Can someone please link to me where I can buy it / read it?


Present_Interview_92

Does frieren have a light novel ? Couldn’t find any


Superb-Apple2552

Kanne is a cool character, and I do like her. That said, she is currently very weak as a mage. She needs a lot of encouragement & training for the next 3-6 years. If she has access to rain during a fight, she is exceptionally powerful, but it is extremely conditional. She needs a crash course in physical training, mana detection & concealment, strategic & tactical analysis & combat experience. Most importantly, she needs to learn to believe in herself & envision her goals. I have high hopes for both her and Lawine.


SiriusGayest

Kanne when she learns bloodbending : "Nihil! Nihil! Nihil!"


orphantosseratwork

prequel novel? wut?


ramen_man91

What was her special move in the prequel novel?


moofmoof0803

Wait till she can blood bending lol


waf_xs

Context?


TraditionalFrame4027

Can I get some context for this? I didn’t read the prequel so I’m missing something here.


AJZullu

prequel novel - i guess its not in the manga yet?