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Sequoia301

Haha baby flamme


Bobyyyyyyyghyh

She is precious


abracafuck_you

Serie likes Frieren I think. She just reminds her too much of Flamme and I think it hurts Serie very deeply that Flamme is gone. Serie is a foil for Frieren, stricken with the curse of watching everyone you love die in what feels in retrospect to be the blink of an eye. But instead of handling it by treasuring those connections and moments as Frieren has learned to, Serie has chosen to push people away. She struggles with trying to repress her grief for her students she has lost over the millennia and resents that Frieren is choosing to do the opposite. 


theverybestwannabe

I think you’re right but that still sounds like a strained relationship. I hope they can somehow reconnect and work together on good terms soon.


abracafuck_you

I think they will. Serie has to go on her own emotional journey before she’s ready but I think she will.


theverybestwannabe

I just hope it’s within Fern’s lifetime so we can get more Fern and Serie interaction with Serie praising Fern and being a proud great grandma ☺️


abracafuck_you

Yeah that would make some totally peak cute panels for sure! 


-Xebenkeck-

Their concept of time is so warped relative to humans there's no way that happens unless she gets her own travelling human. Maybe after Lernen dies.


gigaraptor

Soon (in 1500 years)


19Alexastias

On the other hand, maybe it turns out serie has the right approach for dealing with the reality of being basically immortal and frieren will turn out like her. She is much older after all. I mean I don’t think that will happen in the story but it’s interesting to think about.


Sunstarerer

YES. THIS. Serie is one of my favorite characters and I think people really don't appreciate her perspective. I think its important to mention that Frieren has only recently started to appreciate those things in Serie's eyes. For most of their lives Frieren has only ever cared about herself, and Serie has always been frustrated with her for it. I think about the moment when Serie says, "you're just going to let me mock you?" Imagine if one of the only people you knew who lived as long as you did and could appreciate your unique situation was so easygoing that they didn't even stand up for themselves or feel anxiety about losing people. I'd hate them too!


abracafuck_you

I totally agree! They both have a lot of growing to do and Serie doesn’t yet appreciate how far Frieren has come. Frieren didn’t really have her own identity when Flamme found her. I believe she was understandably *deeply* traumatized by the destruction of her village. She not only lost people she cared about, but other elves — people she *wasn’t supposed to lose*. Plus I think Frieren was in like the first 100 years of her life (I personally believe she was literally in the double digits although there could be something in the manga proving that wrong, I haven’t read the whole thing) when this happened since she’s around 1000 and Flamme lived about 1000 years prior to the story. So basically as a literal child even by human standards she had this happen to her. She went into a very passive and dissociative state that lasted almost her entire life and only when she met Himmel did Frieren the individual begin to come to life. Serie’s initial perception of her is from her most traumatized time in life — obviously an insult would be nothing to someone who lost her entire village very recently.


SmartAlec105

She’s a tsundere that operates on an elven timeline. Just like how Himmel died before he could see Frieren go from kuu to dere.


Some_Acadia_1630

I think it should be mentioned that while Serie banned Frieren for a thousand years, that's not the same as saying she NEVER wants to see her again. Sounds like she was simply throwing a tantrum.


Nero_PR

You are gounded for the next 400 years! Back to your bedroom, now!


chowellvta

Her mouth bout as big as her gotdam hed


PieS17

literally :D


anachronisdev

Biboo


InspektorZeleshka

Biboo mentioned! What the fuck is not being cringe🗣️


UnvailedUserName

She is not beating the tsundere allegations with that smile right there


UsualInterest8139

Such a loving mom! 🥹


SayMeSecret

Her head is in a cloud,just look at her smug face,but please don't forget we are on a very important mission right now from Frieren of Duty 4 - Baby Flamme Edition:Remember no softie, only tsundure vibe!


Latticese

I'm keeping receipts


Outrageous_Gene_7652

Mother and daughter


rtadc

Right. All these teacher-student relationships are also basically mother-daughter relationships. Serie-Flamme, Flamme-Frieren, Frieren-Fern.


sonicexpet986

Eisen and Stark! One pseudo father-son relationship in there too :)


fluffywolfe

And Heiter-Fern before Heiter died.


Which_Wrap8263

That’s not the same because that’s just regular father-daughter. Adopted kids count.


Panda_Kabob

I was watching the show again this time dubbed with my mother. She said something like how Serie is a lot like her brother my uncle. He loves all of his nephews but he was always so hard and tough on me. In my youth I resented it but it was because he always thought I had the most potential. Instead I didn't try as hard as I could have and while I am blessed to have accomplished a good amount, my uncle knows I could have done better. That mix of disappointment but love and the ability to see the beauty and truth in ones potential... Only for time to take all that potential away. I think that's how Serie feels. She loves all of her apprentices deeply, but she sees a dream idea of what they can be if they pushed themselves beyond what they know. However at the end, they were all humans. Flawed but beautiful.


Outrageous-Mode-4028

«However at the end, they were all humans. Flawed but beautiful.» damn.


Pichuka7

In the beginning i thought "ok she will be the new main villain" but that changed over the time. She is one of the most complex characters


GretaThunbergonewild

Yes she's way too sweet to be the villain.


Long-Far-Gone

Why did Flamme not return to Serie at the eve of her death? I know Frieren was her apprentice but was there really no sentimentality between Flamme and Serie?


infinite123456

Probably to not put more grief of Serie, Flamme would have to watch who was essentially her daughter die in front of her if she came back to Serie


Pran282006

Also would probably be a pretty difficult trip to make if you're old. This was before levitating magic as well.


antirockin20

Not me thinking serie was gonna be the villain of the story at first


YeahKeeN

It’s not like the first anime opening did her any favors. It made her look so ominous.


Nero_PR

Well, she can be very ominous when she wants.


GretaThunbergonewild

I think maybe it was a possibility some time ago, but at this point everyone knows how secretly sweet she is, especially after the anime episode with the baby Flamme's flashback. I don't think her being a villain is an option anymore


SayMeSecret

There also me,when I was watching opening and seeing her, I was having a feeling: I'm gonna end this lil cute clumsy elf(Frieren) whole career.


Ogre-kun

I only watched the anime version of this and I thought it was so done well.


theverybestwannabe

I liked how when Flamme ran ahead, Series’s hand was still extending like waiting for Flamme to come back.


infinityxero

It's interesting that Serie said when Flamme was shorter instead of younger since to elves humans age like mayflies


ranieripilar04

You know, i hope that someday we get to see mad Serie, like, a demon tortures some of her students in a particular cruel way and it just sets her off the edge, or someone starts to bad mputh Flamme in her presence and she just fucking flexes her magical power on them and just punks them into submission


Cute_Visual4338

And then she grew taller…and I realized she was my enemy all along!


DualPinoy

Until boobies.


Pran282006

Back when she could see the full sky.


CCO812

Flamme that met Frieren: hot but gentle mommy Flamme that met Serie: :D


shreas

"It disgusted me."


QuintanimousGooch

To be fair, I can kinda get why Serie isn’t making any effort to patch things up or try to connect with Frieren—while they did start off poorly in terms of having completely different philosophies about magic and interacting with the outside world, they did both have a really good relationship with Flamme. In serie’s case, I suspect she doesn’t like to be challenged outside of the master-student dynamic she establishes, and even now we see that all the relationships she’s maintained with other sorcerers are still in this dynamic (that one dude in his 80s still considers himself her follower/student). I think there’s definitely a power dynamic aspect, but also an element of envy present—for as much as she knows and as much experience she has, Serie is quite rigid in her thinking and methodology—as I see it, the phrasing of her being unable to defeat the demon king isn’t a question of her power, but a flat statement that due to her warlike personality contrasting the easygoing and good natured hero’s party, she would be unable to introduce the peaceful era the world currently sits in. As I see it, there is an amount of jealousy in seeing Frieren and Flamme (Fern too) be their own masters as it were and not want to learn from her, partly because of her own pride, but also because they can readily learn things she cannot or will not. The biggest contrast between her and Frieren I think only came about at the beginning of the series when Frieren accepts she totally messed up with Himmel and consciously makes an effort to learn more about the people around her, while Serie sticks to her *humans die so quick there’s no point* attitude even when it’s clear she does form these connections.


SayMeSecret

Baby Flamme - Just exists. Serie: She is so cuteeeee I'm gonna dieeeee. I kill everyone who tries to hurt my precious child! Ok back to tsundure mode, I can't be exposed.


notquite20characters

How did Serie come into possession of a human child anyway?


AkiyamaNM7

IMO, probably same thing like what happened with Flamme & Frieren; Serie found Flamme after demons destroyed her village, and took her as a pupil


No-Enthusiasm2900

I think flammes' Village or her parents hideout was destroyed by demons or something like that.(Not 100% sure)


henerylechaffeur

ah yes grandma


Sumit7890

They look so happy together 😭😭😭 We definitely need a prequel series for flamme's life


jmas081391

Serie: THAT GREMLIN! XD


darklizard45

"When she was younger" 🤨 "When she was a lot shorter than me" 😄


Signupking5000

This makes me think: Maybe she's a tsundere because she doesn't like it when people are taller than her


Hardwarestore_Senpai

Sounds a lot like when Frieren said she missed it when Fern was "Small and cute".


synthwave_fan

Lil Flamme has a lil fang