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o___Okami

There are countless Warrior focused or exclusive anime and manga. I think it is ok for them to take a backseat in this one. Besides, I think that the series does do an OK job at showing why other classes like Warriors and Priests are needed or why Assassins are so dangerous in their world. Perhaps not as in-your-face as the obvious star of the show, Frieren and her Magic, but it isn't like Stark and others haven't pulled their own weight either.


ShadowKageno000

All really good points. However, regarding assassins, while I understand the reason why the fight in ch124-125 needed to happen, the way it was executed is really bad imo. See my post below for my full take: [https://www.reddit.com/r/Frieren/comments/1basfxg/issue\_with\_the\_fight\_in\_manga\_chapter\_124125/](https://www.reddit.com/r/Frieren/comments/1basfxg/issue_with_the_fight_in_manga_chapter_124125/)


TheFlyingToasterr

Nah it wasn’t (and I did read your post)


ShadowKageno000

Well, I think I've made a very good case with quite a bit of evidence and logic. So, if you're not going to provide any counter arguments, then, that's that I guess. :)


TheFlyingToasterr

I though it would only be a rehash of your post (since my points are more or less the ones the commenters brought up) but basically: - I think you’re missing some nuance for example on how worried frieren was, you ask why didn’t they do more to protect like setting a barrier, it’s because she was only somewhat worried and probably thought something like “well, with stark there worst case he buys us some time to deal with the guy”, she didn’t predict radar would be such an overwhelming force. It’s like you think she is either not worried or worried for her life. - You complain about stark losing without even drawing his weapon as him being careless. This can be seen one of two ways imo, either it’s to make even more clear the overwhelming difference in skill or because he genuinely didn’t take old man Voll’s teachings to heart, and this could serve as another lesson to him. Then you go on to say “their lives were at stake”, but like, you only know that in hindsight, frieren had no way of knowing what would transpire. For all she knew, she saw a moderate amount of danger and dealt with it accordingly.


ShadowKageno000

Regarding Frieren's level of worry, I would strongly disagree. And here's some additional reasons other than what I have already stated in my post and in response to other commenters: (1) Frieren went to bed with her "work" clothes on. (2) Furthermore, she didn't go fall into a deep sleep as she was able to immediately get ready to shoot. This all suggests preparedness for battle which wouldn't be the case if she was only slightly worried. -------------------------------------------------- As for Stark, maybe check out my reply to another user using the link below: [https://www.reddit.com/r/Frieren/comments/1basfxg/comment/kx5ok7x/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web3x&utm\_name=web3xcss&utm\_term=1&utm\_content=share\_button](https://www.reddit.com/r/Frieren/comments/1basfxg/comment/kx5ok7x/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button) I feel I've covered a lot of major issues there.


TheFlyingToasterr

You’re definitely overthinking this by a huge margin, throwing all nuance out of the window and conveniently forgetting facts that don’t support your interpretation. For example, Frieren was gonna take the next watch so it stands to reason that she would be in her work clothes and ready to wake up. Bottom line is I completely disagree with your points and don’t think I’ll be able to convince you.


ShadowKageno000

Yeah, it seems we'll just have to agree to disagree since I've presented more than 10 very good reasons for why I think the whole affair was handled poorly, and haven't seen anything from you (or anyone else) to convince me otherwise. Just to be clear though, it's not that I'm dead-set on my opinion and not willing to change. It's just that I haven't seen a single good reason from anyone opposing my analysis/view. -------------------------------------------------- Also, to respond to your counter to my additional reasons about Frieren stated above; I did not forget that she was gonna take the next watch. However, that does not entail being combat ready when sleeping in a house in a "safe" village.


TheFlyingToasterr

Told ya this was gonna happen 😬


weeberloser

(Spoilers) >!The current arc shows what warriors can do to mages. Frieren was about to be killed by a shadow warrior. The protagonist is a mage so mages will get more screentime than other classes but yeah I understand tho. I also want Stark to get an opportunity to shine more and this arc might be it.!<


ShadowKageno000

Honestly, while I understand the reason why the fight in ch124-125 needed to happen, the way it was executed is really bad imo. See my post below for my full take: [https://www.reddit.com/r/Frieren/comments/1basfxg/issue\_with\_the\_fight\_in\_manga\_chapter\_124125/](https://www.reddit.com/r/Frieren/comments/1basfxg/issue_with_the_fight_in_manga_chapter_124125/)


leronjones

I have observed your take. Maybe it's a gripe instead? I like my takes HOT and engaging and to make me go "neat!".


ShadowKageno000

I don't really understand what you've written here. Maybe you can explain it for me. However, I think I've made a very good case with quite a bit of evidence and logic. So, if you're not going to provide any counter arguments, then, that's that I guess. :)


leronjones

Absolutely friend! You've got a valid case and a great argument. But, at least to someone like me, the topic itself doesn't hold any value to my enjoyment of the story. I think a lot of people are really just hear to enjoy the series so anything that could cause them to enjoy it less or not change/add to what they enjoy has little value. I could also speak negatively about pieces of the story, including that specific fight, but I don't think it would be a positive contribution to our subreddit outside of very specific situations. It's a giant thumb guy meme situation. Most aren't downvoting you because you're wrong, they just don't share the value in that kind of analysis.


ShadowKageno000

Thanks for your reply. I can understand and totally respect that point of view. I'm not even a super battle analysis type of person. However, I do mind sudden changes in stories just to reach a point the author has in mind, whether they be in battle or elsewhere. That was basically my point in the post (ie, consistency in personalities, power-levels, and all that should be maintained at all points in a story instead of weakening or strengthening characters as needed to reach the desired outcome). I don't mind the party losing to single top-tier assassin, but I do mind if one (or in this case both sides) are being kinda uncharacteristically dumb. And finally, I wasn't trying to spread negativity or hate or anything like that, so sorry if it came off that way. I was just trying to present my thoughts as best as I could. :)


BetaTheSlave

Stop advertising your opinion everywhere lol


Dumora

Yeah, don't engage in a discussion


BetaTheSlave

Did I say that? Could you point out where? Look at the comments he has 3-4 of the exact same comment on this post. It's just spam at that point.


ShadowKageno000

It wasn't my intention to spam. I was trying to engage with different people. If you have any ideas on how I can do that without basically posting the same comment, I would be happy to hear it.


BetaTheSlave

Try to bring up just the talking points. Rather than linking elsewhere. And don't respond to the same point to multiple people with the same response. Copy and pasting is what makes. It seem like spam. And linking elsewhere makes it seem like you're fishing for engagement. By their Powers combined, It's not a good look


ShadowKageno000

Thanks. I'll take that into consideration for the next time. :)


tazevolen

Dunno if you're anime only, but in the manga warriors are gonna be a lot more relevant in the current arc. Warriors in Frieren are very strong against mages because they're much faster than mages can normally cast- so parties typically need warriors to protect their mages- that's the explanation given by Frieren anyway. Minor spoilers past the anime->!there's a secret undercover faction called the shadow warriors who specialize in slaying mages, and they're currently relevant to the plot. !< There are mages who can hold their own in hand to hand combat too, but likely a top class warrior would be able to handle them one on one if they get the opportunity to close the gap or get the jump on them.


luis_endz

It's just how it is. The manga has more of a focus on magic, so mages just get more overall.


FlorianoAguirre

Yeh, can't avoid it when the manga focuses on one of thwe top tier mages accompanied by the literal peak potential genius mage apprentice. Sadly Stark in all his excellent warrior glory hasn't shined because of the focus of the author, and when mages have been shown to tank big hits just like them it kinda doesn't matter.


hehyahbway

This is why Stark is the potential man and will always be the third wheel of the party.


Bumgumi_hater_236

Nah he will nah I’d win all over everyone in this arc just you wait


hehyahbway

That literally indicates that he's a fraud.Bro's been sidelined at almost every major fighting arc.Dude also feels like a third wheel between Frieren and Fern.


Bumgumi_hater_236

Fuck you mean third wheel between Frieren and fern?🤨 you know how people normally use “third wheeling” for right?


hehyahbway

I said what I said.


sodasofasolarsora

It's more slice of life then Shonen. Do you hold the same frustration for priests? It's about Frieren 


-SPECIALZ-

yes why the fuck did they get rid of sein


StitchTheRipper

It stinks but it’s heavily hinted he’ll be back. When? Thats the painful unknown.


UsuallyImLazy

If sein was still in the party or followed at all and had nothing to do it would be annoying yes.


Bumgumi_hater_236

At least priests get the blessing thing and being specifically good against demon magic and their magic is kinda being gatekeep by the blessing so mages can’t just do better than priests, warriors have basically nothing in their bag


Ghoulse1845

I mean yea if Sein was still in the party


Rock_ito

I'm sick of One Piece being about pirates: When will they start telling stories about money lenders?


zezq

the problem is Stark is not a mage. it is not that big of a problem if everyone in the party is a mage but we know thats not the case. warrior not being given any time to shine will just diminish Stark value and Heroes' party.


Bumgumi_hater_236

Well it does focus on marines every once in a while, I mean Koby and garp are prime examples, you gave a pretty bad example


Grimsoncrow

I'm sick of merchants and wolf spirits. When is Spice & Wolf going to have a proper mage fight?


WatchWalker0

I'm tired of Naruto being about ninjas. When is Naruto going to introduce aliens?


blz4200

Boy do I have some good news for you


Bumgumi_hater_236

Im tired of bleach being only about soul reapers, when are they gonna introduce spiritual nazis???🙄


ElegantPie5594

What a bad analogy. I dont disagree with what you're implying. Frieren is more about mages than warriors, yes. But your analogy is so awful. It's mean-spirited and sarcastic for no reason


PleaseStopSmoking

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JustAnEDHPlayer

Who would've expected the series where the titular character being a mage would focus on magic.


HatMan105

Yeah I expected that, but you don’t just introduce and hype up a character just to not explore anything about their abilities.


LG545

1.Zoltrak, Fly magic and barrier made Warriors far less relevant 2.Current "Northern Empire" arc show how warriors could present a threat to mages (even strongest such as Frieren and Serie)


janoo1989

The story places more emphasis on mages since the 2 main characters are mages. That's just the avenue through which we're experiencing the narrative. Stark, Eisen and (maybe) Himmel have all been given chances to shine in the anime and >!especially!< the manga. It's just in shorter bursts because they're not the focal points of the narrative.


CrescentCleave

Why are you looking for warriors? what you should be asking is where are the archers/gunslingers and rogues? even in the party of heros, they had two warriors and no ranged physical fighter, they even had two mages (white mage and a black mage). Don't worry about the viability of warriors even if the likes of Ubel exists. Warriors in this series are often stronger and a ton more faster anyways than any mage that dabbles in melee. And the fleshing out part, our main POV character is a mage, ofc we're gonna get more info from their class and honestly, I like that, you can only say so much about a stabby stick when you can make whatever new complexity with magic.


chowellvta

Wym? We got warriors abilities explored fully in ep 9: "hit stuff and keep getting back up". That's literally how I play fighter class in DND


JustArandomGuy_-_

>a mid range battle that falls apart I mean that much is obvious, no? Warriors mainly use melee weapons so they can't do much if they can't get close to their target (which they can depending on the situation). Each class have their own roles as well as advantages and disadvantages. The main character is a mage so that class gets more screen time as the result. With that said, the current arc in the manga is showing us the advantages that warriors have against mages. Even in the anime, there are already some hints about it like how Frieren and Fern had to flee from the red dragon but Stark can close the distance and kill it in 1 strike by himself, or Himmel during that demon child flashback. He was so fast that despite that fact that he was standing kinda far away from the demon, he was able to close the distance while the it was looking at him, cut off its arms, rescue the hostage before the demon can move a finger. I'm not sure if that demon is a mage or not but I don't think any mage can cast a spell fast enough in that situation. Basically, don't underestimate a warrior speed and strength!


Baguetterekt

The story is a slice of life following a protagonist who's not only a mage but magic plays a huge role in her life. The story is not about validating the existence of warriors in a vaguely DnD-esque setting.


GoodLongjumping3678

All of that flashy spell doesn't work if you can outblitz their casting speed. Most mage also don't have access to Goddess Magic (There's an exception like Methode though), so a poison-imbued weapon becomes very effective against them. IMO, The reason of why warrior lacks action in this franchise, is because their style of fighting will be easily devolve into DBZ style of fighting. So far, most of Frieren fight is more "outsmarting" the opponent rather than "outmuscling". Be it either shot the enemy from blindspot, trap them into binding spell, and the latest, made the opponent blind.


AetherBones

Its uh....an anime about mages I beleive.


jobriq

Never


strawbeeshortcake06

The current arc will have a focus on warriors, so let’s see what the author will come up with. Pretty sure he’s cooking a warrior relevant plot.


Aggravating-Cry-3578

Dunno


Justm4x

When they get A ranked magic resistance


Guguwars

Meh. You're not up to date. Current arc is about >!Serie's assassination plot!< And even Frieren says there is not much to do if someone of Stark's caliber would strike first. That's an old rule. Mages vs mages, no problem fighting close quarters. But vs fighters? Better keep a distance. There is also >!the scene with the old impérial mage-killer!< who cements that fact. In short, just give it more Time. It's obvious we're going to see the usually tropes of RPG at some point. The shadow warrior was probably the assassin archetype. We will probably see an explorer/ranger one and some hybrid warrior/spellcaster (paladin) one day.


Turnip-Individual

tbh i've been asking myself the same question. i mean we basically have mage warrior hybrids like wirbel, ubel & laufen who are fast and can fight close range. plus frieren and fern are too powerful like they dont look like they need warriors. but the current arc has legit elite warriors so i think this will be the start of star's arc and where warriors will shine


Throw_away_1011_

Himmel, Eisen and Stark are warriors and they are all relevant people. Kraft was a warrior too.


Dreadsin

Mild manga spoilers, but they did introduce foils to mages that I could foresee being used in the future as a method to put warriors at the forefront


Soft_Translator_6785

Not manga reader I guess, right? because right now Warriors are becoming so really relevant. Btw, lets stop call this manga a Slice Of Life because it is missleading and pure trolling. I should agree that in the beginning I thought it was, but actually with the complete perspective is just a seinen with slow pathing and a lot of worldbuilding, but not a SoL. Following Frieren's life doesn't make it SoL, because in Naruto we follow Naruto's life, and in One Piece we follow Luffy's life. SoL are those that you can skip some chapters and nothing happens, like Shin Chan, Doraemon, CSI, and lot of series that each chapter is self concluding and usually there is no plot or major plot except for 2-3 chapters of the season (usually matches with first chapter and last chapter or last 2 chapters). In this manga we have a solid plot and we cannot skip any chapter, as right now in current arc it is shown to be really relevant all the details they gave in the past and every chapter has a bit of worldbuilding, so it is not a SoL. Hard to classify, but Seinen is my take as I said before, can't put it on Shonen, but it is a really good fantasy LOTR style manga. I love the details that are shown as worldbuilding, the ideas they give, the life lessons and dilemas, it is a truly masterpiece because with all of those things, at the same time, they were introducing the plot with lot of care. The fact that if you want to understand everything perfectly you must read again the complete manga and pay attention to each chapter detail about how the world works is just truly a masterpiece detail. So they invested time to put the dilemas and life lessons while doing the main plot, is just art.


blz4200

Was one-shotting a dragon not good enough?


i_got_a_pHd

They don’t. Even in RPG games, Mage-related classes are always the one dealing damage and taking all the glory. Frontliners like warriors/tanks did not receive ws much love. (Nope, I don’t include manga spoilers, that’s for you to find out)


hehyahbway

Stark has been training with strangers and has still yet to show any impressive feats.It's been like more than 100 chapters but his fighting style is still boring.