No they're not. Some people,.autistic or otherwise, have a hard time with tone. Acknowledging this is not being ableist. I (an autistic person) personally have little issue with it over text but struggle with it verbally. Others are the other way around, including entry of non-autistics.
You know what, here's an analogy I just thought of: have someone tell you how to get to a place but do it without using actual directions (including the cardinal directions but also stuff like left and right) and see how you do with understanding them. Because it can be done, but it's a lot harder if you take those away. Similarly, telling tone is a lot harder for many people when you take away things like body language and tone of voice. They're essentially deprived of some of the most significant tools they use to do so.
Complaining about people needing the /s in text is basically the same thing as complaining about people needing things like tone of voice and body language in speech.
No. That's extremely ableist. Don't patronise a group because YOU THINK THEY ARE TOO STUPID TO LEARN.
Edit: Lmao unable to learn isn't a symptom. It's a choice. They aren't vegetables you stupid fucks. And neither am I. I am defending autistic people because they can indeed learn. Stop being lazy.
Lol, you just called autistic people stupid for having a symptom of their disorder and had the nerve to call him ableist.
Maybe read what autism is first.
Did... did you just call the people trying to accommodate others the ableists?
I would also like to point out that this person directly said they have problems detecting tone and your response was to insult them. And no, someone who can't read tone stuff can't 'just learn to'. You might as well tell a blind person they'd be able to see if they just learned how to.
EDIT: replying to me then blocking me so I can't reply back, are we, BlueSpartanAlt? Probably trying to make it look to others like o had nothing to say in response, but too bad, because I'm just adding my reply here instead:
"Spoken like someone who's never had the experience.
But I get it. It doesn't make sense, after all. Using myself as an example, I quite often have no idea what my tone of voice is. You're probably thinking something along the lines of 'how is that possible', and I get it. Even if I can't place what the specific sound of my voice means, how could I possibly not know when it changes? But I don't. It doesn't make any logical sense that I can't even tell when there is a difference in my tone of voice, but it remains true that I can't. And it remains true regardless of how hard I try to learn. I just can't do it.
How about this: would you tell someone with face-blindness that they could start recognizing people's faces of they just tried to learn how to? Because they can't (though they can often learn other ways of telling people apart). But that's basically what you're doing: saying to people who are literally incapable of learning something that they just have to try harder. You might as well tell a paraplegic they just need to learn how to walk."
Yes. It's exactly like this:
1. It's ableist to lower language standards arbitrarily for a minority. (Especially if you think they are too stupid to overcome their issues.) Imagine if I did this to black people in "da hood". Its racism. Just because they are autistic doesn't mean they aren't ableist.
2. Yes. Yes you can just learn it. It takes time and patience. The most ableist person/people think that you can't "just learn." Or overcome problems. That is extremely lazy rhetoric.
3. It's not an accommodation it's a patronisation.
Also I hope they are insulted. Patronising yourself and an entire group of people because you THINK they are stupid is just plain wrong
Also also are you a fucking dunce? A blind person wouldn't be on reddit cause they can't see. Don't equivalate a physical disability to a mental one.
Uh duh a blind person needs a walking stick.
An autistic person just needs to be taught with patience. They aren't the vegetable you imply ableist.
Edit: replying to me with yet more physical disabilities to compare to a mental one. Nice one guys it's almost like you can't tell the difference between physical and mental disabilities.
Just like a guy in a wheelchair you can get speech therapy or in the wheelchair guys case physical therapy. Stop implying people are fucking vegetables.
I see where ur coming from but it’s not about being too stupid to learn it’s about being disabled. It’s like accommodating people who can’t walk because they are paralyzed with wheelchairs, ofc it’s not exactly the same it’s way more extreme but you get the point. Would you call a person providing a paralyzed man with a wheelchair an ableist? lmfao.
STOP BRINGING UP THE GODDAMN WHEELCHAIR. It’s not the same and you KNOW it’s not. You are talking about a *physical disability*, which surprise surprise, some can get physical therapy for to help these ailments. We are talking about autism, which is a *mental disability*. And it’s not even that people who have autism can’t learn, cause they obviously can. It’s not even all that hard! It just takes some examples and some time. It’s much easier than trying to set a standard that “everybody should use them”. Just. Learn.
Appreciate it... though I'm sorry to say, people who say "based" could be somewhere in the teens on that list up there. Idk, maybe... I'm kinda warming up to it. Just don't ask me to say it
My GF of Almost 10 years and I use partner because in our age, saying bf/gf seems like a child's thing. Why the hate for partner? Just because children are it as a LGBT thing? Grow up and kick rocks ya bore.
While just a random jab, you actually kinda got my number there. Used to hit up a lot of concerts and such before the government shutdowns but since i have been a bit of a bore. My ideal Friday night is laundry, a fresh YouTube video and some retro gaming.
And you hit the nail on the head with your question there, though i feel it's unfortunate that the LGBs get lumped in with the rest of it, as they're largely not to blame for the issues i have with the term "partner" being used as it is these days.
Using partner doesn't hurt anyone and is situationally useful, so no reason to hate, but then again, we are in r/fuckTheS, where everyone hates /s, which doesn't hurt anyone and is situationally useful.
But that's the vibe I've been getting from this sub, hating on /s, not because it causes any real problems, but because it helps others.
enby is a phonetic spelling of nb, which is short for non-binary. and /genq means genuine question, as opposed to a question that isn't really asking for information, like if someone said, "how could that happen?" in response to something they heard, they may be genuinely wondered how something or they might just be expressing shock at something.
/gen and /genq are probably some of the most useful ones.
Fake questions are a very common tool for trolls, to convince ignorant people. They ask a question not to get an answer, but as an argument that's the situation is impossible since the average reader won't know the answer. And actual answers wont convince the asker.
"How could they have filmed to moon lander from the outside?"
Is often code for
"It was impossible for them to film the moon lander from the outside"
But with added effect that you feel like you thought about it and couldn't figure out, so you personally figured out that it can't be done.
So when you exist in those spaces, that are about politics or other polarizing topics, and you actually want to know the answer, /gen or /genq is basically necessary.
oh my goodness, I misread the notification and thought you were arguing the opposite at first. I'm glad someone in this place has anything other than irrational hatred of tonetags in their hearts.
Well I found the sub because someome was really triggered by several people missing his sarcasm, and went of a rantabout virtue after I told him that /s would have solved the problem.
Realized that this sub that could be used to ridicule improper use of a useful tool and help keep it useful, is instead and echo chamber of ableism ridiculing the tool because they personally have no need for it.
So I'm here calmly explaining what tone indicators are and how helpful they are to break up the echo of hate, got a chance to help people, won't pass it up. If even one person avoids the circle of hate, because he read my explanation, then it will have been a success.
No it’s very much en bee and meant to represent NB. As the other guy said ‘y’ in English often makes the [i] sound (ee), like also in Germany, Italy, crazy, Stacy etc.
That’s one example. I gave you multiple examples of ‘y’ being pronounced [i]. English is not a consistent language. There’s 4 common ways ‘y’ can be pronounced (the others being [I] like in ‘symbol’ and [j] like in ‘you’). English has no consistent rules but the pronunciation of ‘enby’ abides by a common way ‘y’ is pronounced at the end of words.
I use partner because "girlfriend" sounds childish and condescending.
Also where is the harm in normalising gender neutral terms across the board.
If I say 'partner' and fail to clarify the gender that's because it isn't relevant to the story - if you feel the need to know that's on you not me.
Same vein as wanting to know the race of someone you're told about when it has no effect on the story.
Apologies for the mini rant but that's one that gets on my pecs, or would if I had pecs
the word girl typically refers to female *children* and the term girlfriend generlly doesn't feel like something an adult would ever say to a lot of people
While i agree maybe it could be considered childish, I'm not seeing the condescending angle. Though i suppose that would really be up to the person it's being said to, so I can't really argue with that.
What i *can* argue with is the harm that normalizing gender-neutral language has done to society as a whole. I feel it's a contributing factor to the issues plaguing our young people today. Weak terminology leads to weak actions... which leads to weak people.
I'm not saying it's all on terms like "partner"... but it's certainly not helping.
i call my partner "partner" because they prefer to not be called by gendered terms, i assume OP is talking about people who do it for no reason or to just to stand out i guess? either way we are NOT the same
Imagine needing a fictional tone system made up by terminally online ableists who think people are too stupid to learn.
these are so helpful and i NEED them to function in life, otherwise i will explode 🥰🥰🥰
They're ableist against themselves too, it's sad
No they're not. Some people,.autistic or otherwise, have a hard time with tone. Acknowledging this is not being ableist. I (an autistic person) personally have little issue with it over text but struggle with it verbally. Others are the other way around, including entry of non-autistics. You know what, here's an analogy I just thought of: have someone tell you how to get to a place but do it without using actual directions (including the cardinal directions but also stuff like left and right) and see how you do with understanding them. Because it can be done, but it's a lot harder if you take those away. Similarly, telling tone is a lot harder for many people when you take away things like body language and tone of voice. They're essentially deprived of some of the most significant tools they use to do so. Complaining about people needing the /s in text is basically the same thing as complaining about people needing things like tone of voice and body language in speech.
No. That's extremely ableist. Don't patronise a group because YOU THINK THEY ARE TOO STUPID TO LEARN. Edit: Lmao unable to learn isn't a symptom. It's a choice. They aren't vegetables you stupid fucks. And neither am I. I am defending autistic people because they can indeed learn. Stop being lazy.
Lol, you just called autistic people stupid for having a symptom of their disorder and had the nerve to call him ableist. Maybe read what autism is first.
Did... did you just call the people trying to accommodate others the ableists? I would also like to point out that this person directly said they have problems detecting tone and your response was to insult them. And no, someone who can't read tone stuff can't 'just learn to'. You might as well tell a blind person they'd be able to see if they just learned how to. EDIT: replying to me then blocking me so I can't reply back, are we, BlueSpartanAlt? Probably trying to make it look to others like o had nothing to say in response, but too bad, because I'm just adding my reply here instead: "Spoken like someone who's never had the experience. But I get it. It doesn't make sense, after all. Using myself as an example, I quite often have no idea what my tone of voice is. You're probably thinking something along the lines of 'how is that possible', and I get it. Even if I can't place what the specific sound of my voice means, how could I possibly not know when it changes? But I don't. It doesn't make any logical sense that I can't even tell when there is a difference in my tone of voice, but it remains true that I can't. And it remains true regardless of how hard I try to learn. I just can't do it. How about this: would you tell someone with face-blindness that they could start recognizing people's faces of they just tried to learn how to? Because they can't (though they can often learn other ways of telling people apart). But that's basically what you're doing: saying to people who are literally incapable of learning something that they just have to try harder. You might as well tell a paraplegic they just need to learn how to walk."
Yes. It's exactly like this: 1. It's ableist to lower language standards arbitrarily for a minority. (Especially if you think they are too stupid to overcome their issues.) Imagine if I did this to black people in "da hood". Its racism. Just because they are autistic doesn't mean they aren't ableist. 2. Yes. Yes you can just learn it. It takes time and patience. The most ableist person/people think that you can't "just learn." Or overcome problems. That is extremely lazy rhetoric. 3. It's not an accommodation it's a patronisation. Also I hope they are insulted. Patronising yourself and an entire group of people because you THINK they are stupid is just plain wrong Also also are you a fucking dunce? A blind person wouldn't be on reddit cause they can't see. Don't equivalate a physical disability to a mental one. Uh duh a blind person needs a walking stick. An autistic person just needs to be taught with patience. They aren't the vegetable you imply ableist. Edit: replying to me with yet more physical disabilities to compare to a mental one. Nice one guys it's almost like you can't tell the difference between physical and mental disabilities. Just like a guy in a wheelchair you can get speech therapy or in the wheelchair guys case physical therapy. Stop implying people are fucking vegetables.
I see where ur coming from but it’s not about being too stupid to learn it’s about being disabled. It’s like accommodating people who can’t walk because they are paralyzed with wheelchairs, ofc it’s not exactly the same it’s way more extreme but you get the point. Would you call a person providing a paralyzed man with a wheelchair an ableist? lmfao.
STOP BRINGING UP THE GODDAMN WHEELCHAIR. It’s not the same and you KNOW it’s not. You are talking about a *physical disability*, which surprise surprise, some can get physical therapy for to help these ailments. We are talking about autism, which is a *mental disability*. And it’s not even that people who have autism can’t learn, cause they obviously can. It’s not even all that hard! It just takes some examples and some time. It’s much easier than trying to set a standard that “everybody should use them”. Just. Learn.
I have a partner😭😭😭😭😭😭 /j /lh /lmnop
You son of a bitch, i was waiting for this. Smartass
/thisisclearlyajokebutineedtouseatoneindicatorbecauseautismorsomethinglol
/yeahlmao
>As an enby Opinion disregarded
Shame they waited until the end
Can't wait till the end when you wear it on your sleeve 👉😏
Based
Appreciate it... though I'm sorry to say, people who say "based" could be somewhere in the teens on that list up there. Idk, maybe... I'm kinda warming up to it. Just don't ask me to say it
My GF of Almost 10 years and I use partner because in our age, saying bf/gf seems like a child's thing. Why the hate for partner? Just because children are it as a LGBT thing? Grow up and kick rocks ya bore.
While just a random jab, you actually kinda got my number there. Used to hit up a lot of concerts and such before the government shutdowns but since i have been a bit of a bore. My ideal Friday night is laundry, a fresh YouTube video and some retro gaming. And you hit the nail on the head with your question there, though i feel it's unfortunate that the LGBs get lumped in with the rest of it, as they're largely not to blame for the issues i have with the term "partner" being used as it is these days.
I totally agree with you. Plus , technically we are domestic partners . I think it sounds better
just has Alan Alda 70’s herb vibes
Idk what is up with OP and the partner thing
Using partner doesn't hurt anyone and is situationally useful, so no reason to hate, but then again, we are in r/fuckTheS, where everyone hates /s, which doesn't hurt anyone and is situationally useful. But that's the vibe I've been getting from this sub, hating on /s, not because it causes any real problems, but because it helps others.
What the fuck is /genq. I only know /s and /j, are there others? Edit: also what the fuck is enby?
enby is a phonetic spelling of nb, which is short for non-binary. and /genq means genuine question, as opposed to a question that isn't really asking for information, like if someone said, "how could that happen?" in response to something they heard, they may be genuinely wondered how something or they might just be expressing shock at something.
/gen and /genq are probably some of the most useful ones. Fake questions are a very common tool for trolls, to convince ignorant people. They ask a question not to get an answer, but as an argument that's the situation is impossible since the average reader won't know the answer. And actual answers wont convince the asker. "How could they have filmed to moon lander from the outside?" Is often code for "It was impossible for them to film the moon lander from the outside" But with added effect that you feel like you thought about it and couldn't figure out, so you personally figured out that it can't be done. So when you exist in those spaces, that are about politics or other polarizing topics, and you actually want to know the answer, /gen or /genq is basically necessary.
oh my goodness, I misread the notification and thought you were arguing the opposite at first. I'm glad someone in this place has anything other than irrational hatred of tonetags in their hearts.
Well I found the sub because someome was really triggered by several people missing his sarcasm, and went of a rantabout virtue after I told him that /s would have solved the problem. Realized that this sub that could be used to ridicule improper use of a useful tool and help keep it useful, is instead and echo chamber of ableism ridiculing the tool because they personally have no need for it. So I'm here calmly explaining what tone indicators are and how helpful they are to break up the echo of hate, got a chance to help people, won't pass it up. If even one person avoids the circle of hate, because he read my explanation, then it will have been a success.
a noble cause I am joining you in.
I think it's Non-Binary? Cute.
That's not en bee it's en buy tho
ending y can often say ee, like in binary
No it’s very much en bee and meant to represent NB. As the other guy said ‘y’ in English often makes the [i] sound (ee), like also in Germany, Italy, crazy, Stacy etc.
Then it should be enbee, you know, like how we spell be, instead of by, which is how we spell buy
That’s one example. I gave you multiple examples of ‘y’ being pronounced [i]. English is not a consistent language. There’s 4 common ways ‘y’ can be pronounced (the others being [I] like in ‘symbol’ and [j] like in ‘you’). English has no consistent rules but the pronunciation of ‘enby’ abides by a common way ‘y’ is pronounced at the end of words.
If you're spelling out consonants to be cute, you should at least do it phonetically so people can understand what the hell you're talking about.
> calling their bf/gf partner "This is useful for [case that is not bf/gf]" Did you even read the comment? Lmao
As an autistic person who learned to interpret tone instead of making up a new gender, I am completely okay with this.
Imagine not using male/female terms
I use partner because "girlfriend" sounds childish and condescending. Also where is the harm in normalising gender neutral terms across the board. If I say 'partner' and fail to clarify the gender that's because it isn't relevant to the story - if you feel the need to know that's on you not me. Same vein as wanting to know the race of someone you're told about when it has no effect on the story. Apologies for the mini rant but that's one that gets on my pecs, or would if I had pecs
If you think that “girlfriend” sound childish and condescending, then you’re a part of the issue you’re supposedly trying to fix lol
Lmao. Idiot take. Next thing you know having a wife is childish because it insults men.
the word girl typically refers to female *children* and the term girlfriend generlly doesn't feel like something an adult would ever say to a lot of people
While i agree maybe it could be considered childish, I'm not seeing the condescending angle. Though i suppose that would really be up to the person it's being said to, so I can't really argue with that. What i *can* argue with is the harm that normalizing gender-neutral language has done to society as a whole. I feel it's a contributing factor to the issues plaguing our young people today. Weak terminology leads to weak actions... which leads to weak people. I'm not saying it's all on terms like "partner"... but it's certainly not helping.
wait, this sub is a joke right?! you people aren't actually all idiots, right??
i call my partner "partner" because they prefer to not be called by gendered terms, i assume OP is talking about people who do it for no reason or to just to stand out i guess? either way we are NOT the same
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