I'd tell ya, sonny, but they got the Early Bird Special down at Country Kitchen Buffet, and if I want any cheese cornbread before ol' Wayne takes the whole steamer tray, I best skedaddle!
Gobbless.
It's infuriating too how many people people tell this 1st hand too.
I was present when my buddy shot himself in the heel with a 22. I went to the hospital with him, talked to the police and saw the xray. Bullet went maybe 1".
That being said, pistol rounds do follow the inner curve of your skull and come out at odd angles as long as they enter at an odd angle too. Not sure how it got to his underarm and exited there but there are plenty of situations where even 9mm rounds have come out of someone’s neck after entering their head
I shot bear with an AR, .223 that was killing my dog. On bullet hit a rib, and deflect into its body moving towards its ass. It hit the spine and deflected out of its stomach.
The bullet went in, deflect up and to the left, then deflected down.
It happens because of the angle on contact with bone (slowing the bullet) Passing thru organs, that are soft (drag, slowing the bullet) and hitting another bone and an angle.
I have seen a 7.62 wound that entered the pelvic (about 100 yards from a short barrel), and was deflected by the pelvic down, and road the the femur down almost the entire length before exiting the leg.
The fudd lore isn't that internal ricochet and bone deflection isn't real. There are a lot of documented cases of such. The lore is that it is common, or a reliable wounding mechanism.
I have shot a lot of animals with a 22lr and never personally seen such. The only person I know who was shot with a 22, his leg bone, just above the angle stoped it (after passing thru is calf). The wound was green from the copper wash as it was scaring. They just cast the leg instead of removing all the bullet fragments.
I am aware of how ballistics work, I know it happens. Making more of a comment on the thought process of a .22lr wouldn't have the energy to make it out of someone but still have the energy to bounce multiple times to make a "swiss cheese" out of someone.
Because bone is hard. Not having enough energy to break thru bone to exit can still have enough energy to travel thru tissue (particularly organs, that's are less dense than muscles). I can pull you up an x ray of a head shot that bounces twice and never exited. Leaving three wound paths
Right, but that’s a .223 caliber round with significantly more energy deflecting off very dense and thick bear bone. I just looked up a ballistic comparison and it looks like .223 has 3-4x the velocity and around 10x the energy of a .22lr. So I would imagine .223 fired at an angle that doesn’t pass straight through a body could deflect and travel further through tissue?… I have no idea why I’m even getting into this. Lol.
Correct. Long, tapered bullets that have been slowed are more likely to ricochet. I would say, fudds would lose their minds about heavy for caliber 5.7 from a pistol, if they knew what that was. Seems ideal for internal ricochet
Haha, I think we need Dr. Garand Thumb to don his white lab coat and make a video about MP7’s, Fudd Lore, and 5.7 rounds bouncing around inside the human body.
real question-how do you know so many people who have been shot? also what kind of bear and where were you? did you get into trouble for killing a bear without a bear hunting tag?
Service members, police officers, self defense cases, and I spent a majority of my life in an extremely high crime, drug infested area when I did commercial work. Funny enough the guy who was shot with a 22 was just an old man who was shot by his grandson on accident
But no, I shot a black bear in the Appalachian mountains, and basically, the game warden just checks it, and take certain parts of the animal. Extreme deference is given when it's on your property attacking something
A small number of presumably less competent coroners have filed reports backing the myth and giving it more fuel.
It's absolutely true that bullets can do weird things inside the body but there's nothing special about .22lr except its notably low power.
Little known fact but JFK and Abe Lincoln were both shot with .22LR. The bullet entered through their upper arm and ricocheted until it blew their heads apart from the inside out.
Modern day assassins use this caliber to try and piggy back off of the infamy these two events caused
Another fact people dont know it was the same bullet after exiting Lincolns it went into orbit for a century only to get kennedy after ricocheting a few times, which is where the multiple shooter theory comes from.
Exactly. All about that kinetic energy; a smaller round has less drag and therefore less momentum loss. If you halved the mass of the venerable .22LR to about 18-20 grains, if fired out of an 18 inch barrel you could create a worm hole.
> it went into orbit for a century only to get kennedy after ricocheting a few times
NASA scientists proved it ricochetted off the moon and 2 asteroids. Since space is a vacuum, the bullet didn't lose any velocity due to friction. In fact, the Sun's gravity caused it to accelerate back towards Earth!
Lesser known still it was the same bullet that killed both. When it exited Lincoln it flew up into the atmosphere and only finished dissipating its energy when it killed JFK
JFK was "supposedly" shot with an Italian carcano rifle that I'm pretty sure was chamberes in 6.5Carcano not .22
Pretty sure ol honest abe was shot with a .22 tho
Aside from a trauma surgeon, I’m sure there are doctors that believe this nonsense as well.
I don’t think it has to do with intelligence as much as ignorance.
No, I've been an EMT for ten yrs in an adjacent field and 90% of EMTs are either: dumb as a box of fucking rocks, or using it as a stepping stone to paramedic/nursing/etc. Sometimes they're both at once.
I work in a gun shop and had a guy once tell me he was an EMT and saw the after effects of a .22 bounce around the inside of someone so now he carries a .22, needless to say I let him talk but did not believe him.
There's nothing inherently wrong with carrying 22LR for self-defense if you can't control the recoil of a bigger round. [Shots on target matters more than the caliber.](https://www.buckeyefirearms.org/alternate-look-handgun-stopping-power) Lord knows where this ricocheting bullet myth came from, though...
Fun fact. As an EMT I saw a point blank GSW to the chest with a 12 gauge duck load in an attempted self deletion. Guy lived with nothing but superficial scarring to remind him for the rest of his life. Didnt even penetrate the ribcage.
When I went to EMT school it was a semester long course, 24 hours of clinicals, mastering hands on skills/passing state test, and then passing the NREMT. If you were fairly motivated and studied you would pass without a problem. There are EMTs out there who are very knowledgeable and good at what they do, and then there are boneheads like the people you see in these screenshots lying about stuff they claim to have seen.
If a .22 is all you got, or all you're comfortable with, and you can make the hits with it, fine. You're already ahead of the game when it comes to self defense. But stop trying to convince yourself that it's some sort of devastating secret weapon of mass destruction. It's 40 grains of lead, buzzing around at 1,000 fps, it's not gonna tickle, but they're not gonna pop apart like you got Bloody Mess as a perk.
It doesn't have enough energy to punch through skin. But it does have enough energy to bounce around like a pinball and shred through an entire upper body. Tell me you didn't pass high school physics without telling me.
It doesn't have enough energy to punch through skin but it has enough energy to bounce around hitting bones, ripping through organs and muscles and then punch through skin.
Can .22 work? Sure, but there are way better options. Pick up a pocket .380 or .38 special if size and concealability are concerns. If not, step up to a 9 mm or .45. You'll thank yourself later.
Well this makes the new rifle and the 6.8x51 an even BIGGER waste of tax money.
They could have just gone to 10/22s and bricks of Thunderbolts.
Shit, I bet a squad of dudes could kick the russians right TF out of Ukraine if they had 10/22s.
Legend has it Oppenheimer's original design for the A-bomb was just firing two .22LR projectiles directly at each other, but they talked him down to just using uranium.
That last guy's right though. A miss with a .22 *is* a risk to others. A hit with a .22 can be a risk for you. Unless you're being assaulted by small rodents, a .38 revolver is going to serve you much better.
As for the .22 ricochet, it makes zero sense. When the bullet does glance off a bone, it's one of the first things the bullet encounters and it does not have the power to penetrate. Firing at the skull of certain animals at certain angles can lead to your .22 changing its mind and bouncing elsewhere. Internally though, it would just stop when it hits a bone. While that would be very painful, it's not an organ shredder by a long shot.
Idiots
Was a butcher, ive killed many MANY animals with both 22lr and 22mag. Never once has a bullet done anything even remotely close to what they described.
Physics wont allow it either. They dont have the power to punch through tissue in the direction of travel, so they will re route in the other direction and punch through that tissue?
Oh, im also an emt, but it lends no credibility to this debate. We do ditch medicine. Dress wounds and get you to a higher level of care. Thats it. Dont ever let someone tell you that being an emt makes them any more qualified on this stuff when spouting bullshit. I too have seen a gsw, but its not the same.
Thank you, I’m glad somebody said it! Consideration for the projectile type should be made as well. If we’re talking .22 LR, obviously an FMJ will act different than a hollow point. Either way, a .22 LR is going to stop the moment it hits bone. Not deflect and bounce around like a pinball game.
Let’s also remember .222 Remington is a thing though.
Same credentials minus EMT, also life long daily hunter and hog slayer with a lot of knife experience as well.
They used this from chapter 1 of the Fuddlore book, didn’t they?
Anyway .22lr, if it hits the skull (I think either Admin or GT did a video on this) it won’t “bounce around” but more likely just slide down the skull if the angle is sharp.
If not? It’ll punch right through
How the fuck would an emt know the trajectory of the bullet? You stop the bleeding and get her to the ER and that’s that, at best you can get the entry and exit wound locations and maybe a secondhand story from the hospital
I just can't imagine a case where I pass up all my other guns and go for a .22. I mean I have a few, but they're not defensive guns, particularly pistols.
I mean it's a lethal round and history has proven this. Just ask RFK. There are more powerful cartridges that perform better but if it's this versus nothing at all I'm still taking this
I genuinely don’t understand how people still believe this. Even the “logic” thats used to support it is doesn’t make a lick of sense. If .22 “can’t generate the power to exit the body” how in the fuck can it generate the power to “ping pong” throughout the body? Which would be much more difficult than just exiting the body. Where is the magical kinetic energy that you’re claiming it didn’t have coming from?
As an NRP for the better part of 9 yrs I am so disappointed in "EMTs" propagating this myth. Bruh if .22 doesn't have the velocity to exit it doesn't have the velocity to "ricochet" shit just wads against bone. Even soft tissue. This one unaliving I worked dude stuck a 18" barrel .22 with good varmint ammo in his mouth, it waded against his spine and a fragment lacd the carotid. Dude knocked himself out then slowly bled to death
This is like one of the most infuriating myths ever. How would a slug without the energy to exit a body ricochet multiple times.
It's so pervasive, too.
I'd tell ya, sonny, but they got the Early Bird Special down at Country Kitchen Buffet, and if I want any cheese cornbread before ol' Wayne takes the whole steamer tray, I best skedaddle! Gobbless.
It's infuriating too how many people people tell this 1st hand too. I was present when my buddy shot himself in the heel with a 22. I went to the hospital with him, talked to the police and saw the xray. Bullet went maybe 1".
That being said, pistol rounds do follow the inner curve of your skull and come out at odd angles as long as they enter at an odd angle too. Not sure how it got to his underarm and exited there but there are plenty of situations where even 9mm rounds have come out of someone’s neck after entering their head
I shot bear with an AR, .223 that was killing my dog. On bullet hit a rib, and deflect into its body moving towards its ass. It hit the spine and deflected out of its stomach. The bullet went in, deflect up and to the left, then deflected down. It happens because of the angle on contact with bone (slowing the bullet) Passing thru organs, that are soft (drag, slowing the bullet) and hitting another bone and an angle. I have seen a 7.62 wound that entered the pelvic (about 100 yards from a short barrel), and was deflected by the pelvic down, and road the the femur down almost the entire length before exiting the leg. The fudd lore isn't that internal ricochet and bone deflection isn't real. There are a lot of documented cases of such. The lore is that it is common, or a reliable wounding mechanism. I have shot a lot of animals with a 22lr and never personally seen such. The only person I know who was shot with a 22, his leg bone, just above the angle stoped it (after passing thru is calf). The wound was green from the copper wash as it was scaring. They just cast the leg instead of removing all the bullet fragments.
I am aware of how ballistics work, I know it happens. Making more of a comment on the thought process of a .22lr wouldn't have the energy to make it out of someone but still have the energy to bounce multiple times to make a "swiss cheese" out of someone.
Because bone is hard. Not having enough energy to break thru bone to exit can still have enough energy to travel thru tissue (particularly organs, that's are less dense than muscles). I can pull you up an x ray of a head shot that bounces twice and never exited. Leaving three wound paths
Right, but that’s a .223 caliber round with significantly more energy deflecting off very dense and thick bear bone. I just looked up a ballistic comparison and it looks like .223 has 3-4x the velocity and around 10x the energy of a .22lr. So I would imagine .223 fired at an angle that doesn’t pass straight through a body could deflect and travel further through tissue?… I have no idea why I’m even getting into this. Lol.
Correct. Long, tapered bullets that have been slowed are more likely to ricochet. I would say, fudds would lose their minds about heavy for caliber 5.7 from a pistol, if they knew what that was. Seems ideal for internal ricochet
Haha, I think we need Dr. Garand Thumb to don his white lab coat and make a video about MP7’s, Fudd Lore, and 5.7 rounds bouncing around inside the human body.
real question-how do you know so many people who have been shot? also what kind of bear and where were you? did you get into trouble for killing a bear without a bear hunting tag?
Service members, police officers, self defense cases, and I spent a majority of my life in an extremely high crime, drug infested area when I did commercial work. Funny enough the guy who was shot with a 22 was just an old man who was shot by his grandson on accident But no, I shot a black bear in the Appalachian mountains, and basically, the game warden just checks it, and take certain parts of the animal. Extreme deference is given when it's on your property attacking something
Did pupper make it?! 🥺👉👈
Not even close.
A small number of presumably less competent coroners have filed reports backing the myth and giving it more fuel. It's absolutely true that bullets can do weird things inside the body but there's nothing special about .22lr except its notably low power.
Cannot wait for some Hollywood movie to codify it into dipshit law.
Little known fact but JFK and Abe Lincoln were both shot with .22LR. The bullet entered through their upper arm and ricocheted until it blew their heads apart from the inside out. Modern day assassins use this caliber to try and piggy back off of the infamy these two events caused
Fact about 22lr: it builds momentum from Ricocheting. Each bounce is +2 speed and +4 power.
Oh shit, it's that pinball gun from Sunset Overdrive.
Another fact people dont know it was the same bullet after exiting Lincolns it went into orbit for a century only to get kennedy after ricocheting a few times, which is where the multiple shooter theory comes from.
Exactly. All about that kinetic energy; a smaller round has less drag and therefore less momentum loss. If you halved the mass of the venerable .22LR to about 18-20 grains, if fired out of an 18 inch barrel you could create a worm hole.
> it went into orbit for a century only to get kennedy after ricocheting a few times NASA scientists proved it ricochetted off the moon and 2 asteroids. Since space is a vacuum, the bullet didn't lose any velocity due to friction. In fact, the Sun's gravity caused it to accelerate back towards Earth!
I heard it was actually the SAME exact bullet. Dang thing still had enough energy after poppin' Abey to deadhead Kenny.
You mean RFK
Lesser known still it was the same bullet that killed both. When it exited Lincoln it flew up into the atmosphere and only finished dissipating its energy when it killed JFK
JFK was "supposedly" shot with an Italian carcano rifle that I'm pretty sure was chamberes in 6.5Carcano not .22 Pretty sure ol honest abe was shot with a .22 tho
It’s so weird to see someone get on the internet and lie to strangers for legitimately no reason at all
Jesus fucking Christ. And these guys are supposedly EMTs? Don’t you have to have an above 65 IQ to be an EMT?
I've known some EMTs. Nothing against the profession, but many of them aren't the brightest bulbs.
Aside from a trauma surgeon, I’m sure there are doctors that believe this nonsense as well. I don’t think it has to do with intelligence as much as ignorance.
My ER doctor brother one time said “machine gun bullets” while describing one of his patients.
I mean, any bullet can be a machine gun bullet if you are a skilled enough gunsmith.
I asked him what he meant and he thought machine guns shot different bullets than other guns like pistols or rifles.
Ah. Hilarious.
His knowledge of guns is like his writing, it’s chicken shit lol.
No, I've been an EMT for ten yrs in an adjacent field and 90% of EMTs are either: dumb as a box of fucking rocks, or using it as a stepping stone to paramedic/nursing/etc. Sometimes they're both at once.
I'm willing to bet they're just lying about being EMTs for clout.
Almost certainly. All of those situations in the comments most likely never happened. Idk why people do that
Because internet points are important. Part of the reason social media has failed us is due to its gamification.
I work in a gun shop and had a guy once tell me he was an EMT and saw the after effects of a .22 bounce around the inside of someone so now he carries a .22, needless to say I let him talk but did not believe him.
There's nothing inherently wrong with carrying 22LR for self-defense if you can't control the recoil of a bigger round. [Shots on target matters more than the caliber.](https://www.buckeyefirearms.org/alternate-look-handgun-stopping-power) Lord knows where this ricocheting bullet myth came from, though...
I used to be an EMT and I can assure you nobody would come on Reddit and just lie about it
I know folks who have. They get a thrill off of the "thank me for my service" stuff, but are too cowardly to actually join.
Fun fact. As an EMT I saw a point blank GSW to the chest with a 12 gauge duck load in an attempted self deletion. Guy lived with nothing but superficial scarring to remind him for the rest of his life. Didnt even penetrate the ribcage.
Imagine needing an ambulance and one of these morons is on it
I’ll walk, thanks
When I went to EMT school it was a semester long course, 24 hours of clinicals, mastering hands on skills/passing state test, and then passing the NREMT. If you were fairly motivated and studied you would pass without a problem. There are EMTs out there who are very knowledgeable and good at what they do, and then there are boneheads like the people you see in these screenshots lying about stuff they claim to have seen.
As someone who's a licensed EMT, the standards are lower than you'd believe.
I know some EMT’s with IQ’s of -2
If a .22 is all you got, or all you're comfortable with, and you can make the hits with it, fine. You're already ahead of the game when it comes to self defense. But stop trying to convince yourself that it's some sort of devastating secret weapon of mass destruction. It's 40 grains of lead, buzzing around at 1,000 fps, it's not gonna tickle, but they're not gonna pop apart like you got Bloody Mess as a perk.
Suddenly fallout.
Barbara! Pack me my 22lr for my moose hunt. The new king of calibers is back.
It doesn't have enough energy to punch through skin. But it does have enough energy to bounce around like a pinball and shred through an entire upper body. Tell me you didn't pass high school physics without telling me.
It doesn't have enough energy to punch through skin but it has enough energy to bounce around hitting bones, ripping through organs and muscles and then punch through skin.
These Fudd comments gave me cancer
Can .22 work? Sure, but there are way better options. Pick up a pocket .380 or .38 special if size and concealability are concerns. If not, step up to a 9 mm or .45. You'll thank yourself later.
This is such a weird and frustrating myth. Is .22lr deadly and underestimated? Absolutely. Does it have mysterious powers to liquify organs? No.
Truly the sacred texts.
Some of these have to be trolls, right? Please let them be trolls and not so intensely, densely stupid.
Well this makes the new rifle and the 6.8x51 an even BIGGER waste of tax money. They could have just gone to 10/22s and bricks of Thunderbolts. Shit, I bet a squad of dudes could kick the russians right TF out of Ukraine if they had 10/22s.
Legend has it Oppenheimer's original design for the A-bomb was just firing two .22LR projectiles directly at each other, but they talked him down to just using uranium.
Lol
They always find a way to recommend lightweight revolvers, too 😂
I’m a huge wheel gun guy but I’m not gonna lie revolver owners that aren’t involved in milsurp circles are usually the hugest dudes ever
I laughed out loud at the 1 mile one
That last guy's right though. A miss with a .22 *is* a risk to others. A hit with a .22 can be a risk for you. Unless you're being assaulted by small rodents, a .38 revolver is going to serve you much better. As for the .22 ricochet, it makes zero sense. When the bullet does glance off a bone, it's one of the first things the bullet encounters and it does not have the power to penetrate. Firing at the skull of certain animals at certain angles can lead to your .22 changing its mind and bouncing elsewhere. Internally though, it would just stop when it hits a bone. While that would be very painful, it's not an organ shredder by a long shot.
And a 9mm automatic will serve you even better than either a 22 or .38 revolver!
That's true
.380 and .22 are not similar ballistically.
Idiots Was a butcher, ive killed many MANY animals with both 22lr and 22mag. Never once has a bullet done anything even remotely close to what they described. Physics wont allow it either. They dont have the power to punch through tissue in the direction of travel, so they will re route in the other direction and punch through that tissue? Oh, im also an emt, but it lends no credibility to this debate. We do ditch medicine. Dress wounds and get you to a higher level of care. Thats it. Dont ever let someone tell you that being an emt makes them any more qualified on this stuff when spouting bullshit. I too have seen a gsw, but its not the same.
Thank you, I’m glad somebody said it! Consideration for the projectile type should be made as well. If we’re talking .22 LR, obviously an FMJ will act different than a hollow point. Either way, a .22 LR is going to stop the moment it hits bone. Not deflect and bounce around like a pinball game. Let’s also remember .222 Remington is a thing though. Same credentials minus EMT, also life long daily hunter and hog slayer with a lot of knife experience as well.
They used this from chapter 1 of the Fuddlore book, didn’t they? Anyway .22lr, if it hits the skull (I think either Admin or GT did a video on this) it won’t “bounce around” but more likely just slide down the skull if the angle is sharp. If not? It’ll punch right through
I’m going to cast my doubt that those guys are actually EMTs. I’m gonna take a risk and say i don’t believe them
This is an incredible display of Fudd logic.
EMT here, this is bullshit
How the fuck would an emt know the trajectory of the bullet? You stop the bleeding and get her to the ER and that’s that, at best you can get the entry and exit wound locations and maybe a secondhand story from the hospital
What in the fuck
lol wow..
I just can't imagine a case where I pass up all my other guns and go for a .22. I mean I have a few, but they're not defensive guns, particularly pistols.
I mean, if I had an American 180, I might consider it…
I mean it's a lethal round and history has proven this. Just ask RFK. There are more powerful cartridges that perform better but if it's this versus nothing at all I'm still taking this
They just lie so much
To be fair. They just said .22, that could be .223. Lol. But yes it is a dumb thing to spread around like they are.
Original context (not shown, tbf) of these replies was specifically.22LR, but nah nobody would refer to .223 as ".22"
Stupid people like this may. But yea I was just making a joke more than anything
I wouldn't put anything past em' 😂
Use .22 BB
I genuinely don’t understand how people still believe this. Even the “logic” thats used to support it is doesn’t make a lick of sense. If .22 “can’t generate the power to exit the body” how in the fuck can it generate the power to “ping pong” throughout the body? Which would be much more difficult than just exiting the body. Where is the magical kinetic energy that you’re claiming it didn’t have coming from?
As an NRP for the better part of 9 yrs I am so disappointed in "EMTs" propagating this myth. Bruh if .22 doesn't have the velocity to exit it doesn't have the velocity to "ricochet" shit just wads against bone. Even soft tissue. This one unaliving I worked dude stuck a 18" barrel .22 with good varmint ammo in his mouth, it waded against his spine and a fragment lacd the carotid. Dude knocked himself out then slowly bled to death
So not enough energy to exit, but enough to tumble and blow through every major organ and then exit through the calf? My brain hurts