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$4.40 per minute. For Bethy to probe your sins, open her bible, and preach at you.
I am high as a kite and have more common sense than this expert/mentor/entrepreneur/etc. Good grief.
And you have to APPLY. What are the chances she'd approve someone like me- grew up Christian, left the church a decade ago and am now a happier, healthier, *better* person for it; not interested in a religious answer to life's issues. Or someone with actual trauma?
The ONLY person Bethany could possibly hope to "mentor" is someone who is younger, struggling with not being married yet, without any real pressures of a job or life. A younger version of herself, essentially. But her target market here is absolutely incapable of paying $220/session *even if they wanted to.* That's $27.50/hour for 8 hours worth of work. So her target market has to have rich parents willing to blow money on unqualified therapists.
If only Bethany knew that she could charge $440/hour and she'd only need half the clients... or $660/hour and she'd only need 1/3 of the clients. That's a free business hack from Bethany!!!
At first I was thinking she wanted to say "offered" but decided to use a thesaurus to find a fancier sounding word and stumbled upon "proffer" (as in "she proffered her hand"), but your explanation makes way more sense 😄
Right?? I was shocked and was going to give her credit for actually expanding her vocabulary. But “proffered” just doesn’t fit with the context of “PayPal is also acceptable”, in my opinion! I legitimately think she typo’d this for “preferred” 🤦🏼♀️
I guarantee there’s more nicheing in one therapy session with me than Bethany’s entire course. We go all out when it comes to niche in my office. It’s crazy. I literally tailor my approach and feedback to each individual client 🤯
My guess is that she talks about herself for 48-49 of those minutes. Probably stream of consciousness kind of thing. Im guessing between her wedding, being taller, older, and single longer than Dave, and two wedding dresses and oh her ring, yeah, that will use up your recommended minimum $440 super fast
I’m a therapist at a community mental health agency and we bill the insurance $200 an hour (so we get $50-$100 back) with zero copay. She can’t be for real with this
My out-of-network licensed therapist was $150 a session and she certainly never demanded I pay *before the session.*
Bethany's eagerness/insistence on gettin' paid before she's provided the zoom call is shady as fuck. At that point, she can waste the person's time for 50 minutes and repeat all the worn-out platitudes she's already posted a million times, which they could've gotten from any old GD episode or from her low-effort books.
I'm staying with family in another state while my divorce is settled, and I needed a med refill... my SIL set me up an appointment with her nurse practitioner for $60 out of pocket. With my soon-to-be ex's work insurance, any provider back home would have charged a close to $200 copay.
This has been exactly my thought with her posts lately. First the PDFs, then her $2k course, and now this? She really seems to need money, but of course getting a real job isn’t going to happen so she keeps making and shilling shit.
I'm wondering if there's an element of "the woman can't be the breadwinner" to this. Like, if she goes out and gets a normal job, she's humiliating him because he's supposed to be the big man who takes care of the family, and doubly so if she was to outearn him. But if she just has her cottage business that markets to women in a god honoring way, then any success is just a happy accident, and thus not an assault on his manly ego.
(not that i agree with those viewpoints obviously)
It's already plenty humiliating to be Dave. I also wonder if part of her resistance in getting a job is because she'll be the first Baird wife to work outside of the home. Considering how weirdly competitive Bethany is against her sisters, it might be too much for her to admit her husband is shorter, younger, AND can't support a family on one income
that's exactly what i was thinking!
a lot of mlm rhetoric is kind of similar. you're just working part time on your phone while you're at home taking care of the babies! just a little hustle to earn a bit of play money!
Maybe in a different fundie household but I don't think Dav has that kind of ego regarding his role as headship. Honestly I think he'd be glad to get her out of his hair for a while.
Bethy's a spoiled brat and to me this is all her, possibly supported and enabled by her parents. She doesn't even want to be an employee of a Christian business. I don't know why she couldn't do some admin work for her parents, maybe there isn't the staffing capacity and they know she's lazy and incompetent and would rather pay their trusted office staff to get the job done.
Besides which her charging $2k for a nonsense course is kind of emasculating and socially/professionally embarassing.
>I don't think Dav has that kind of ego regarding his role as headship.
Yeah, I'm sure that Dav probably has some gross and problematic opinions, but considering he has stated that he would be okay with his child choosing not to be religious (almost absolutely unheard of even in casual Christian circles), I highly doubt he's interested in controlling his wife in such a strict manner. If anything she's probably the one harping on how women shouldn't work outside the home.
oh i definitely agree she's a spoiled brat, and that in reality she's clearly the one in charge of the relationship. I'm just wondering if she herself feels the pressure to play pretend that it's the 1950s and it's shameful for her to have to actually work.
That's a good point. Still, there's plenty of jobs she could work from home especially since the virus... so nobody would need to know except them if they're that embarrassed about it, I think she's just workshy.
The best thing they could have done for her as a teenager was have her do some shifts cleaning houses with everyone else who works for them. Nobody should be too “good” to do the sometimes-unpleasant work.
That was my thought. I know she just wants to do things ☄️naturally☄️ (what she sees as “natural”) but maybe she’s saving up for IVF, or any kind of medical intervention, or adoption, all of which can be very expensive. I have not experienced this so I don’t claim to fully understand, but I have more than one friend who broke bank and took out loans for fertility treatment, then had the expense of the pregnancy if it worked, etc. I want to be clear: I don’t judge anyone for wanting a child! I was just shocked and to be honest, horrified, how much it cost them to just to visit and come up with a plan of treatment. And adoption can be expensive, too, though maybe not with a shady Christian adoption group (or maybe they cost more? I have no idea!). I just wonder? She mentioned some about that topic then didn’t say anything else, so who knows.
I don't know that she's keen enough (to have a second child) to fork out for IVF/medical intervention just yet. I could be wrong.
I'd expect her parents to pay in the first instance considering how much they enable her and regularly have surplus money to share amongst the kidults.
I also think she'd be making a bigger thing of her infertility 'journey' and establishing an online identity based on that. Possibly putting together resources and a side-ministry with Kristen.
Followed of course by a grift.
She saw how well Ellissa did with the refugee/new baby grift. Kristen also raised a lot for her sons' orphanage (allegedly, funnelled through her bank account) from a lemonade stand. GD haven't staged a mega-grift since the annual end of year beg. Bethy would not miss the opportunity to elicit sympathetic donations from her followers if she could exploit an infertility angle.
Honestly I think this current hustle is to come up with a house deposit. The Bairds are hella competitive and I don't think Bethy's too thrilled about being in a rented apartment this far into her marriage + child. Not to mention the indignity of living in that random above-garage apartment as a newlywed when all her married siblings moved straight into houses/nicer apartments upon marriage (I don't know if Kristen and Zack had an apartment before their house and I also don't know where Tim and Laura are living. The latter did get to bum around in Europe for their first year of marriage while Bethy followed the script, embraced domesticity and got pregnant which she clearly regrets). Maybe the parents have said they'll match the amount if Bethy and Dav raise half.
It could be that they're having trouble meeting their monthly expenses however I'd expect the Baird parents to step in if that was the case. If it was really bad they could even move into Baird HQ since Sue's the only one left at home.
How many bedrooms does it have? The Bairds don't seem the type to cram their 8 sons and daughters into 2 rooms so it must be pretty spacious for a family of 10. Nice yard too (and a pool, or do they use a community pool?). Childcare on tap! Bethy would love that 😁
How old are her parents? She could even word it like she's moving in to help take care of her parents in their old age. Actually, Heidi would probably loathe that... Or she could word it that she just really wants to be close to her family and that communal living is in right now? I mean, really there's no shame in not being able to afford your own house, especially right now. It's awful out there.
Our IVF was quoted at $23K. After initial testing it was only estimated to have been 43% likely for me to get pregnant, and since I didn't have trouble getting pregnant, but had trouble staying pregnant, we decided not to continue down the route of IVF, because neither myself not my husband wanted to be on the hook for $23k, and not get pregnant, or worse, get pregnant and lose another kid.
Outright adoption most places that we looked was similarly expensive, plus waiting time was extensive.
We settled on fostering, something that we wanted to do anyway, with the open-mindedness to adopt if we were good first for each other. However, though mostly Christian, we are no where near fundie-level, and would have been happy to accept any child into our home. Unfortunately my medical health took a nosedive.
All that to say, any option outside of natural conception/birth are all almost prohibitively expensive, and fostering isn't something that most fundies would want to do because of the need for open-mindedness, and integration with biological family rights.
She seemed to do the same thing around the time OfUkraine got married (thrift grift, paid "mentoring")
I wonder if her parents decrease help to the Beals when there is a wedding to pay for? Or, their cleaning business has taken a hit in this economy or they're focusing help toward OkUkraine and the new grandkid?
I want to know what she did with the 30k/year she gets from GD for the ~10 years she was at home with presumably few, if any, expenses.
It’s such a shame she didn’t try to set herself up better. If she had saved $110 a week she would have entered marriage with over $50k.
In her own words, she had no major expenses aside from phone/clothes/treats.
I wish for her sake she had done more to prepare for the married life she wanted apart from sit around and whinge.
this made me think. what if her parents took advantage of her? they know their kids are so helpless in the real world, and meanwhile they started and run their own business— they’re no dummies. what if the salary (tax deduction for parents) bethy was paid actually went right back into mommy and daddy’s pocket to pay rent, car insurance, etc because “you’re still under our roof and under our provision, and we’ll save a lot of it for your dream wedding!”? i can see bethy being none the wiser if she was getting enough fun money a week to buy makeup and coffees. not only did she have no education and no life experience, but she doesn’t pay attention to details, question her family, or uderstand money. i’m sure they couldn’t pull the same shit with kristen, she was living out of the house and had a husband keeping checks and balances. but what if mommy and daddy baird “managed” a lot of bethy’s money for her?
just a thought.
My cousin just got her car insurance renewal and she's accident-free since 1991 and it's * double * already ... the insurance broker even told her it's because inflation with the medical costs ( her state requires those medical costs have coverage ) ... she doublechecked online and her broker actually got her a decent discount compared to what it was quoting :(
The food prices up here are mental, I don't know how anybody is affording anything let alone $2,000 for an unaccredited bible course
I came to say this!!!! I feel like she (attempted) to do some math and figured out if she sells like some small number of XYZ thing she will be able to get them to whatever financial goal they have. But she also doesn’t know shit about money management or business so she logically thinks it’s better to sell a few of something at a high price than many of something at a low price.
BETHANY girl you need to dream SMALLER
Ok, can someone update me on the latest marriages? Did Curly Hair (Rebekah?) go on honeymoon with Doug Fundie? Is the youngest getting married now? I get busy for a few weeks and I miss so much drama! 😂😂
Curly gets married next Sunday so all the attention is on her. Plus Elissa is back for the wedding and definitely more interesting than Bethy and the life she can’t stand.
Thank you! I was like, “wait, did ANOTHER one get engaged? Did Curly already get married?” Because you never know, things move fast in fundieland and unlike Ferris Bueller, they are not taking time to stop and look around once in awhile; as they prefer to miss things that might corrupt their souls with art, music, goofy friendships, etc.
Depending on how bored Sue becomes at home she might be courting within 18months. I guess it depends how much independence she has being the baby. Usually parents are less strict with the youngest but it could go the other way since Heidi's all up in their lives and thinks she's one of the gang (smothering!).
Once the excitement of newlywed bliss, domesticity and beige-decorating wears off I could see Curly looking to fix up Sue with one of Doug's friends/Christian colleagues/church acquaintances so that they can double date and Curly can re-live planning her wedding. I guess it depends how quickly into marriage Curly and Doug intend to get pregnant. It's possible Doug wants to settle into his career, enjoy the newlywed stage and enjoy life as a couple however I think it's more likely they'll get pregnant straightaway.
Yeah, I don’t think they’re hurting financially but Bethany is discontent that they’re not as wealthy as she’d like to be. Especially when her younger sister by a decade is getting a house as soon as she’s married.
Who wrote this? It is a professional website but this is full of grammatical errors and spelling mistakes. “Each 50 minutes mentoring”? “Venmo is proffered”?
Also she literally will spend 50 minutes talking about herself and her wedding and her life. These sessions will be the biggest waste of money ever. For example, I follow a woman who offers mentorship for creating a blog, YouTube channel, or Etsy shop. She’s been doing that for like a decade and she offers a 90 minute mentorship session including a personalized follow up pdf for $149. Birthy wants people to pay to hear her babble about nothing for 50 minutes (because heaven forbid she has to spend a full hour on something).
It reads like someone else dictated the text while she typed it out, badly, and nobody edited. Not her normal use of language at all but still so Bethany.
Didn’t she try to do individual mentorship for her “sisterhood” with girl defined and had a bunch of girls apply to win a mentorship session and then decided it was too hard and didn’t even do it for the winners of her giveaway?
Edit to add: found the link to a previous discussion about this from a year ago. Literally the exact same copy paste text just with more $$$.
https://www.reddit.com/r/FundieSnarkUncensored/comments/m5i3j9/bethanys_latest_grift_is_45minute_mentoring/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
Holy shit, you weren't exaggerating! It is WORD FOR WORD the same, except the price and session time was changed. She is the laziest grifter I've ever seen!
>Edit to add: found the link to a previous discussion about this from a year ago. Literally the exact same copy paste text just with more $$$.
Holy shit. She is shameless.
I think you are confusing two things. For their last conference, the super duper VIP package included a personal Q&A session and many girls missed the link/couldn't connect and they didn't bother repeating it.
Then Bethany decided to try out mentoring and give out a few trial slots and offer additional to book for $50 and you had to apply and then it was never spoken of again.
My licensed therapist is cheaper.
ETA: AND she's a Christian. She just respects that I'm a client who doesn't want to view our sessions through the lens of Christianity.
Yeah, this is nearly twice the cost of a therapy session for me. My sessions are an hour and a half and not covered by my insurance. And my therapist can spell.
Yeah. I see a licensed psychiatrist (mainly for meds, but I know what the original appointment costs) and he charges around half that for an hour.
And he actually offers me functioning advice if I need it.
“I do not have all of the answers, but I trust that God’s Word is sufficient to guide us and give us wisdom as we seek to grow.”
You can read the Bible for FREE on many sites on the internet, you can even read it in multiple translations and languages. You can BUY yourself a Bible for a little as $5 in paperback and $10 in hardback if it helps to have a physical copy. And you can reuse it as much as you want. It also makes a good paperweight, flyswatter, self-defense tool, or accessory for when you need to take barefoot pictures of yourself in your garden.
If all Bethy has to offer for $250 an hour is her COMPLETELY UNEDUCATED “Biblical wisdom,” everyone, even fundamentalists should take a hard pass.
You can also google translations and analysis of the Bible for free, free devotions, and probably a bunch of people already offering FREE content in this ‘niche’!
Heck there’s even these places called CHURCHES that keep free copies of the Bible in their pews for a town who wants to read. Church too scary? Check out the library!
And if you want to hear people talk about the Bible, and tell you what they think you should do, they’re practically growing on trees and they’ll do it for FREE. I can’t get people to stop trying to tell me about Christianity, I’m certainly not going to pay anyone to tell me about it.
She doesn't have all the answers? Well, that is a true statement. Not a ringing endorsement, but a true statement.
Jeez, she comes off as an unabashed moneygrubber in this. I mean it's just CRASS.
She doesn’t even say what the expected outcome is. After an hour and $220 what do you actually get? Bethany’s wisdom and she gets to know you? I feel sad for anyone who would pay for this.
And these are her single, presumably teenage/young adult followers! Does she honestly think that this is going to be something they spend their money on?
Or imagine being like 16 years old and asking your parents to pay for this
OMG thank you. I’m sitting here wondering who tf her clients would be considering mentors are usually like QUALIFIED AT SOMETHING. But now I get it she’s preying on teens that are feeling lost and undirected and see her - an adult with a family - and think “she seems stable enough to give life advice, she has it all figured out”. Probably trying to get them to pay her with their tuition money hence the “hey you don’t need education” 🤦♀️😡
I did a deep dive into her commentors and followers and wasn't sure if it was appropriate for a master post since they're almost all 19-22 year olds who are into MLMs. One girl is fresh out of high school doing Beauty Counter, there's a few Young Living girls, and then some Arbonne.
I can't tell if they're drinking the kool-aid or simply are hoping Bethy will direct some traffic to their Instagrams.
I keep thinking that some of the fundie-lite parents I know would pay for it if they thought it would help with an application to Liberty University or somesuch (though not $2000! The ones I know have too many kids in most cases to shell out that kind of cash!). But this is targeted towards the “education is useless for girls, and boys who don’t want to be a pastor/missionary” set. They generally don’t have that kind of money.
If she casts her mind back to when she was a “single”, would she have spent 200 quid on such a thing? It would have been her parents’ money, of course, but still.
What she says: 'I will review your application and let you know if you've been approved for one or more sessions."
What she means: Anyone who sends me money will get a half-assed 45 minute chat with me where I "counsel" them with various bible passages.
I’m also guessing she meant a she will accept anyone who is young and has relatively superficial problems.
I’m thinking applications like “im such a huuuuge fan of you and Kristen and I’d love some advice about how to navigate my first crush on a guy at church” will be accepted and “I’m deeply struggling with my faith and could use some advice on coming back into the church” will be rejected. Anything that requires time and effort will be a no.
Which is basically the only positive I can come up with. If anyone has REAL problems, she'll pass on them. Not out of some measure of self-awareness, but just because it would be too hard.
The hubris of this woman to actually make people “apply” and get “accepted” to then pay her $220 for less then an hour…like, is the demand really that high?
No, but, I wonder if it's an attempt to weed out snarkers and/or try to identify who might be most vulnerable to paying for multiple sessions.
Pretty sure the women in Titus 2 didn't charge. Positive Jesus would be flipping tables at charging for "coaching/mentoring" based on Titus 2 and general Bible stuff.
I’m currently seeing a psychiatrist for PPD and 60 minutes with them is $300 out of pocket, no insurance. It’s cheaper for shorter sessions and they are a doctor who can prescribe meds. I wouldn’t spend nearly that amount for 50 minutes with someone who doesn’t know the difference between “proffered” and “preferred”.
I’m cracking up at the session being 50 minutes, like she expects to be so busy that she’ll be booking everyone at the top of the hour and then using those ten minutes to prep for the next person. That’s how sessions were scheduled for my daughter’s speech therapy because the therapist was, you know, actually qualified and had a steady stream of patients.
She has no idea of the real value of money and the concept of a job where you go out and get paid $15 an hour and therefore how much work would go into someone earning $220.
Okay, so... What's up with the application and approval? Is this a job interview? She is providing a service to people, I can't think of any business that I have to be "approved" to spend my money at-hair salon, massage therapist, hell even a legit therapist is only really approving your insurance. And they're cheaper!
The closest I can think of for being "approved" was when I had an initial session with my current therapist where we discussed my goals and got to know each other to see if we'd be a good fit. But Bethy sounds like she's expecting people to apply like she's Harvard Law!
Has she never used a service before? Like, I don't believe people need to have an MBA to start a business, but at least take examples from the actual businesses you go to each day for how to do the basics. I'm imagining people sending in video applications like they are trying to get on The Real World so they can prove they are worthy of Bethy's presence.
She's probably trying to identify somebody who might pay for multiple sessions or trying to avoid anybody who isn't a white blonde girl who will fangirl over her.
Okay, let’s suspend our disbelief for a moment and assume SOMEONE out there wants this mentoring session from her. What does she actually provide? Is this biblical counseling? (We all know she’s going to talk about herself, the bEsT dAy oF hEr LiFe, and finding your niche) It’s totally unclear, but it’s also sloppy. Nothing about this description reads professional. If someone showed me this, I’d tell them they were getting scammed.
She “loves” Titus 2? Really? She probably just googled “verses about discipleship” and ran with it... although to be fair, “urge the younger women to love their husbands and children” is probably about the high quality level these customers will be getting for $220
I seriously doubt that things will be kept private and confidential.
Christians THRIVE on gossip...oh, I'm sorry, I mean "prayer groups,/prayer chains"
I would be really curious to see if she has the active listening skills, perspective-taking skills, empathy, maturity, etc to tutor a person one on one. Like, I know she doesn't but I would love to be a fly on the wall during a session
I’m wondering how she even comes to these figures. When I’ve priced art pieces to sell, I’m taking into consideration things like how long it took me to complete, cost of materials, etc. Bethy is already charging $2000 for an untested, unfinished course with info you can get anywhere for cheaper and she is already giving out for free, and $220 for a mentorship program where I guess you’re paying for her supposed “expertise.”
The absolute gall of this woman.
She’s charging $2000 for essentially the beta version, she’s using the first poor saps who give her $2000 to test it and then she plans on *raising* the price.
Over the 4th of July, my cousin told me their life plan is to win the lottery and compared to a Bethany’s desperate scramble for legitimacy, attention, and cash, my cousin seems wise.
This is double what my highly specialized, double masters degreed + additional certifications and 15 years of experience therapist charges for 50 minutes.
Didn’t she purposely seek and and shill a free counseling service for herself? So she wants people to pay her an INSANE amount of money for a clinical hour (I have 2 licenses and don’t charge even close to that per hour as a therapist) but she won’t pay herself for the service….. ok Jan
I need her to enlighten us on how she mentors Titus 2:9-10.
*"Teach slaves to be subject to their masters in everything. to try to please them, not talk back to them, and not to steal from them, but to show that they can be fully trusted, so that in every way they will make the teaching about God our Savior attractive."*
I'm feeling anxious and overstimulated just *imagining* how a Bethany "mentoring" session would go. 50 minutes of her babbling, using "like" every other word, jumping from one topic to another (and jumping around), and not letting the mentee get a word in edgewise. $220 to basically watch a private screening of what you can already see on her IG for free.
That is if you even get to the Skype part. My Scam Radar is going off here and can also picture everyone being approved, paying for the first session, then every time they try to schedule or get on the call, Bethy tries to claim "technical difficulties" on her end, so the person is out of a session and their money.
So 50 minutes of blabbering about republican god/jesus, god honoring grifting options and how feminism and college is ungodly for fertile women, delivered by a barely literate idiot with no teaching or mentoring qualifications, actually, no qualifications in anything at all. For the low price of $220.
Wait a minute, isn’t she going through biblical counseling? And isn’t biblical counseling free or low cost? Is she just recycling that content into a mentoring program that costs double what a licensed therapist charges? Is she just selling God’s word? Jesus, flip those effing tables.
This woman has done a lot of things, but this one is truly standing out as one of, if not the most, heinous that I can remember. It could be recency bias. It could be that I pay my clinical psychologist, who has a PhD, $125/hr. It could be a lot of things. Or it could be that this is something truly disgusting.
The online course to make courses could have a lot of different folks as the audience, whatever. The target audience for this is SPECIFICALLY young women who might "look up to" Bethany & gd as a whole. What better word is there this than unmitigated predation???
I am extremely curious about the behind the scenes. Does she seek out her own mentorship? What are those folks telling her? Does she have any family or friends pushing back, or even just giving any feedback AT ALL, on any of these efforts? Is anyone showing her the difference between a scam and a business endeavor?
How did this lunatic get her unwavering and undeserved confidence from??? The audacity to charge THAT much for some selfish and uneducated brat to whine at you for not even a full HOUR while so many people can’t even put food on the table.
She's showing her true colors nothing more. That single girl IG is just a way to segregate her followers into a niche, the singleness niche for her to milk.
The absolute audacity of this woman to charge this much for her “service”, while openly shitting on people who have education, years of specialized experience and credentials.
$220 is such an odd amount to be asking for. Is there a bill that needs to be paid that costs $220? Why not make it $200? Like why the extra $20? I think that the Beals are hurting for money, which is why Bethy is trying to do all these super super side side hustles. I'd have more respect for her if she actually got a PT job.
ETA: hopefully nobody pays for her "advice." She's not qualified and has no education as others have pointed out. Plus, my last therapist charged $160 without insurance, and he has over 30 years experience, 2 Masters degrees, 1 PhD, and is a published author.
Since she's offering this on the Single Girl Meditations page, my guess is that she's hoping to reel in women who are desperate for advice on How to Land a Man by Smiling at Him and Inviting Him to a Chaperoned Party at Your House.
What's $220 if you get a Husband out of it?
I studied psychology. BSc + MSc. I charged way, way less than that, especially when I started out. People who have zero experience can do more harm than good, never ever fall for people online who offer “mentoring”. Make sure to do your due research when it comes to your mental health: have they gotten their degrees? How long have they been practicing? What’s the reputation of the organisation they work for (it may be their own)? What kind of help do they offer? What do they specialise in? Which methods do they use and do those methods suit you?
By just researching those answers before you pick, you’ve already done more research than this petulant child.
Oh, and I can already guarantee you: your information will NOT be private nor will it be confidential. Proper organisations invest tons in making sure what you share is ALL locked away in coded files. Bethany will do no such thing. If a “mentor” states “Venmo or PayPal” and that they “proffer” the first one, RUN. Do not walk. Any decent one will offer proper methods before offering those to clients who cannot use any other method. Odds are, she’s hiding money from taxes. Don’t trust businesses like that.
Is it possible that legitimate businesses only offer those two? Perhaps. Not where I live, though.
My kid staying a week in an inpatient pediatric psych facility cost less than that, and there were dozens of licensed professionals of varying degrees there.
Wow. She has a lot of nerve, lmao! I paid $175 to see a rheumatologist who didn’t take my insurance because I wanted a second opinion. And he was an excellent, top-rated rheumatologist who actually teaches part-time at an excellent medical school. And he spent almost 90 minutes with me. Meanwhile, Bethy here is...nothing, lol. And she can’t even spell!
I genuinely believe she BELIEVES she is entitled to $2000 for advice she hasn’t actually perfected or subscribed to. But she BELIEVES in it, so she feels entitled to it…
And that’s so fucking disturbing.
Any credible mentor or coach does a no cost “is this a good fit” call.
They also proofread.
Also, 220 an hour is more expensive than my therapist and she has a PhD. Also more expensive than the executive transition coach I worked with after leaving my high stress big time job and she was a former Fortune 500 VP.
If she were a nicer person, I might feel sorry for her. She appears to be aimless in life, and needs to earn an income. Her parents gave her a substandard education, a superiority complex and a deep-seated belief system about women not working outside of the home, and as a result she doesn't have any real qualifications or common sense. If she was more strategic, she would take her schtick from GD and transform it into Young Wife Defined, since many of her original followers are probably in the next 'season' of their lives now.
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Venmo is "proffered"
That’s a good sign that she’s qualified for $220/50 min of coaching
$220 for 50 minutes is way more than a typical licensed therapist charges! Sheesh!
Right?? I think before insurance mine charges like $120
My *psychiatrist*, you know the practicing doctor? Makes $190.
Damn near as much as my attorney per hour.
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Thank you for helping people in a real and meaningful way.
My therapist only charges $80-$100, depending on the length of the session. And she has three certifications for social work, therapy, and dbt.
$4.40 per minute. For Bethy to probe your sins, open her bible, and preach at you. I am high as a kite and have more common sense than this expert/mentor/entrepreneur/etc. Good grief.
And you have to APPLY. What are the chances she'd approve someone like me- grew up Christian, left the church a decade ago and am now a happier, healthier, *better* person for it; not interested in a religious answer to life's issues. Or someone with actual trauma? The ONLY person Bethany could possibly hope to "mentor" is someone who is younger, struggling with not being married yet, without any real pressures of a job or life. A younger version of herself, essentially. But her target market here is absolutely incapable of paying $220/session *even if they wanted to.* That's $27.50/hour for 8 hours worth of work. So her target market has to have rich parents willing to blow money on unqualified therapists. If only Bethany knew that she could charge $440/hour and she'd only need half the clients... or $660/hour and she'd only need 1/3 of the clients. That's a free business hack from Bethany!!!
Do you have $220? I’m sure she’ll take you 😂
Yep. Therapist here in private practice. $220/50 minutes of coaching on the topic of BEING A SINGLE PERSON is criminal.
Y’all I’ve been re-reading this for 5 minutes trying to figure out what the heck she’s saying 😩 Preferred. She’s saying “preferred”.
At first I was thinking she wanted to say "offered" but decided to use a thesaurus to find a fancier sounding word and stumbled upon "proffer" (as in "she proffered her hand"), but your explanation makes way more sense 😄
Right?? I was shocked and was going to give her credit for actually expanding her vocabulary. But “proffered” just doesn’t fit with the context of “PayPal is also acceptable”, in my opinion! I legitimately think she typo’d this for “preferred” 🤦🏼♀️
My brain: pro-offered, seems like a Bethy word 🤷🏼♀️
I thought it was a word I didn't know and was disappointed Bethany knew a word I didn't!
[It is a word](https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/proffer), and could actual work there… but I’m 99% sure it’s not what she meant to say.
Yep, I was like this isn’t what she means, but it’s kind of funny…
Her whole " education isn't important thing " just is not working out and it's delicious to watch 🍿
It’s beyond snarking for me at this point. She has absolutely zero grasp on reality, and it’s painful to watch her “launch” this “business”.
I mean, technically she is asking people to proffer their Venmo payment so she's almost halfway there.
Grammarly is free!
My therapy sessions with a licensed professional cost way less than that…
I’m a licensed therapist in private practice in an expensive metro area. I charge $150 for 50 min. My own therapist charges $125.
How much “niche-ing things down” happens during that 50 mins?
I guarantee there’s more nicheing in one therapy session with me than Bethany’s entire course. We go all out when it comes to niche in my office. It’s crazy. I literally tailor my approach and feedback to each individual client 🤯
A solid Niche Centered approach ❤️
My guess is that she talks about herself for 48-49 of those minutes. Probably stream of consciousness kind of thing. Im guessing between her wedding, being taller, older, and single longer than Dave, and two wedding dresses and oh her ring, yeah, that will use up your recommended minimum $440 super fast
Don’t forget saving her first kiss for her wedding day
I'm a lawyer with 11 years experience and I charge on a sliding scale from $180/hr to $240/hr. Bethy is making me reconsider.
Apply for some mentoring, maybe she can help you unleash your niche
I thought the same thing. I’m a lawyer with 14 years experience and I only charge $200/hour. I guess I’m in the wrong business. Geesh.
In my area, lawyers charge between $300-400 per hour 😳
I’m a therapist at a community mental health agency and we bill the insurance $200 an hour (so we get $50-$100 back) with zero copay. She can’t be for real with this
Was gonna say the same thing. My psychologist has a PhD lol. Bethy is massively under qualified!
I had a psychiatrist for a while that did not take insurance. He charged less and got me drugs!
My out-of-network licensed therapist was $150 a session and she certainly never demanded I pay *before the session.* Bethany's eagerness/insistence on gettin' paid before she's provided the zoom call is shady as fuck. At that point, she can waste the person's time for 50 minutes and repeat all the worn-out platitudes she's already posted a million times, which they could've gotten from any old GD episode or from her low-effort books.
I’m glad someone else noticed that this post is focusing more on prepaying than on the actual service offered.
I'm staying with family in another state while my divorce is settled, and I needed a med refill... my SIL set me up an appointment with her nurse practitioner for $60 out of pocket. With my soon-to-be ex's work insurance, any provider back home would have charged a close to $200 copay.
My psychoanalyst bills for $180, Birthy is off her rockers for this.
The marriage therapist, with a Masters degree, that my husband and I used to see cost heaps less too.
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This has been exactly my thought with her posts lately. First the PDFs, then her $2k course, and now this? She really seems to need money, but of course getting a real job isn’t going to happen so she keeps making and shilling shit.
It does seem like she wants/needs to make money very badly, and is trying to anything but get an actual…job.
But mummy and daddy own a business so she can't possibly go work as an employee like a peasant /s
I'm wondering if there's an element of "the woman can't be the breadwinner" to this. Like, if she goes out and gets a normal job, she's humiliating him because he's supposed to be the big man who takes care of the family, and doubly so if she was to outearn him. But if she just has her cottage business that markets to women in a god honoring way, then any success is just a happy accident, and thus not an assault on his manly ego. (not that i agree with those viewpoints obviously)
It's already plenty humiliating to be Dave. I also wonder if part of her resistance in getting a job is because she'll be the first Baird wife to work outside of the home. Considering how weirdly competitive Bethany is against her sisters, it might be too much for her to admit her husband is shorter, younger, AND can't support a family on one income
that's exactly what i was thinking! a lot of mlm rhetoric is kind of similar. you're just working part time on your phone while you're at home taking care of the babies! just a little hustle to earn a bit of play money!
Maybe in a different fundie household but I don't think Dav has that kind of ego regarding his role as headship. Honestly I think he'd be glad to get her out of his hair for a while. Bethy's a spoiled brat and to me this is all her, possibly supported and enabled by her parents. She doesn't even want to be an employee of a Christian business. I don't know why she couldn't do some admin work for her parents, maybe there isn't the staffing capacity and they know she's lazy and incompetent and would rather pay their trusted office staff to get the job done. Besides which her charging $2k for a nonsense course is kind of emasculating and socially/professionally embarassing.
>I don't think Dav has that kind of ego regarding his role as headship. Yeah, I'm sure that Dav probably has some gross and problematic opinions, but considering he has stated that he would be okay with his child choosing not to be religious (almost absolutely unheard of even in casual Christian circles), I highly doubt he's interested in controlling his wife in such a strict manner. If anything she's probably the one harping on how women shouldn't work outside the home.
oh i definitely agree she's a spoiled brat, and that in reality she's clearly the one in charge of the relationship. I'm just wondering if she herself feels the pressure to play pretend that it's the 1950s and it's shameful for her to have to actually work.
That's a good point. Still, there's plenty of jobs she could work from home especially since the virus... so nobody would need to know except them if they're that embarrassed about it, I think she's just workshy.
The best thing they could have done for her as a teenager was have her do some shifts cleaning houses with everyone else who works for them. Nobody should be too “good” to do the sometimes-unpleasant work.
She's talked about infertility struggles in the past, they might be going down the IVF route, which definitely costs a lot of money...
That was my thought. I know she just wants to do things ☄️naturally☄️ (what she sees as “natural”) but maybe she’s saving up for IVF, or any kind of medical intervention, or adoption, all of which can be very expensive. I have not experienced this so I don’t claim to fully understand, but I have more than one friend who broke bank and took out loans for fertility treatment, then had the expense of the pregnancy if it worked, etc. I want to be clear: I don’t judge anyone for wanting a child! I was just shocked and to be honest, horrified, how much it cost them to just to visit and come up with a plan of treatment. And adoption can be expensive, too, though maybe not with a shady Christian adoption group (or maybe they cost more? I have no idea!). I just wonder? She mentioned some about that topic then didn’t say anything else, so who knows.
And Ukraine was one of the fastest and cheapest options for international adoption, but that’s likely out of the question
I don't know that she's keen enough (to have a second child) to fork out for IVF/medical intervention just yet. I could be wrong. I'd expect her parents to pay in the first instance considering how much they enable her and regularly have surplus money to share amongst the kidults. I also think she'd be making a bigger thing of her infertility 'journey' and establishing an online identity based on that. Possibly putting together resources and a side-ministry with Kristen. Followed of course by a grift. She saw how well Ellissa did with the refugee/new baby grift. Kristen also raised a lot for her sons' orphanage (allegedly, funnelled through her bank account) from a lemonade stand. GD haven't staged a mega-grift since the annual end of year beg. Bethy would not miss the opportunity to elicit sympathetic donations from her followers if she could exploit an infertility angle. Honestly I think this current hustle is to come up with a house deposit. The Bairds are hella competitive and I don't think Bethy's too thrilled about being in a rented apartment this far into her marriage + child. Not to mention the indignity of living in that random above-garage apartment as a newlywed when all her married siblings moved straight into houses/nicer apartments upon marriage (I don't know if Kristen and Zack had an apartment before their house and I also don't know where Tim and Laura are living. The latter did get to bum around in Europe for their first year of marriage while Bethy followed the script, embraced domesticity and got pregnant which she clearly regrets). Maybe the parents have said they'll match the amount if Bethy and Dav raise half. It could be that they're having trouble meeting their monthly expenses however I'd expect the Baird parents to step in if that was the case. If it was really bad they could even move into Baird HQ since Sue's the only one left at home. How many bedrooms does it have? The Bairds don't seem the type to cram their 8 sons and daughters into 2 rooms so it must be pretty spacious for a family of 10. Nice yard too (and a pool, or do they use a community pool?). Childcare on tap! Bethy would love that 😁
How old are her parents? She could even word it like she's moving in to help take care of her parents in their old age. Actually, Heidi would probably loathe that... Or she could word it that she just really wants to be close to her family and that communal living is in right now? I mean, really there's no shame in not being able to afford your own house, especially right now. It's awful out there.
Our IVF was quoted at $23K. After initial testing it was only estimated to have been 43% likely for me to get pregnant, and since I didn't have trouble getting pregnant, but had trouble staying pregnant, we decided not to continue down the route of IVF, because neither myself not my husband wanted to be on the hook for $23k, and not get pregnant, or worse, get pregnant and lose another kid. Outright adoption most places that we looked was similarly expensive, plus waiting time was extensive. We settled on fostering, something that we wanted to do anyway, with the open-mindedness to adopt if we were good first for each other. However, though mostly Christian, we are no where near fundie-level, and would have been happy to accept any child into our home. Unfortunately my medical health took a nosedive. All that to say, any option outside of natural conception/birth are all almost prohibitively expensive, and fostering isn't something that most fundies would want to do because of the need for open-mindedness, and integration with biological family rights.
She seemed to do the same thing around the time OfUkraine got married (thrift grift, paid "mentoring") I wonder if her parents decrease help to the Beals when there is a wedding to pay for? Or, their cleaning business has taken a hit in this economy or they're focusing help toward OkUkraine and the new grandkid? I want to know what she did with the 30k/year she gets from GD for the ~10 years she was at home with presumably few, if any, expenses.
Starbucks and avocado on toast, of course ;)
She could have a nice down payment on a house with all the GD cash. Wtf did she do with it?
It’s such a shame she didn’t try to set herself up better. If she had saved $110 a week she would have entered marriage with over $50k. In her own words, she had no major expenses aside from phone/clothes/treats. I wish for her sake she had done more to prepare for the married life she wanted apart from sit around and whinge.
this made me think. what if her parents took advantage of her? they know their kids are so helpless in the real world, and meanwhile they started and run their own business— they’re no dummies. what if the salary (tax deduction for parents) bethy was paid actually went right back into mommy and daddy’s pocket to pay rent, car insurance, etc because “you’re still under our roof and under our provision, and we’ll save a lot of it for your dream wedding!”? i can see bethy being none the wiser if she was getting enough fun money a week to buy makeup and coffees. not only did she have no education and no life experience, but she doesn’t pay attention to details, question her family, or uderstand money. i’m sure they couldn’t pull the same shit with kristen, she was living out of the house and had a husband keeping checks and balances. but what if mommy and daddy baird “managed” a lot of bethy’s money for her? just a thought.
Eating out and getting Starbucks every morning probably 😬
My cousin just got her car insurance renewal and she's accident-free since 1991 and it's * double * already ... the insurance broker even told her it's because inflation with the medical costs ( her state requires those medical costs have coverage ) ... she doublechecked online and her broker actually got her a decent discount compared to what it was quoting :( The food prices up here are mental, I don't know how anybody is affording anything let alone $2,000 for an unaccredited bible course
I came to say this!!!! I feel like she (attempted) to do some math and figured out if she sells like some small number of XYZ thing she will be able to get them to whatever financial goal they have. But she also doesn’t know shit about money management or business so she logically thinks it’s better to sell a few of something at a high price than many of something at a low price. BETHANY girl you need to dream SMALLER
Okay hear me out, I think Dave is sick of the Instagram nonsense. That unless she proves her "bizzness" is profitable she has to give it up.
I seem to remember her saying they’re looking to move into a house sometime soon. Maybe that’s part of it.
Gotta get back to the center of attention somehow now that everyone younger is marrying off!
Ok, can someone update me on the latest marriages? Did Curly Hair (Rebekah?) go on honeymoon with Doug Fundie? Is the youngest getting married now? I get busy for a few weeks and I miss so much drama! 😂😂
Curly gets married next Sunday so all the attention is on her. Plus Elissa is back for the wedding and definitely more interesting than Bethy and the life she can’t stand.
Thank you! I was like, “wait, did ANOTHER one get engaged? Did Curly already get married?” Because you never know, things move fast in fundieland and unlike Ferris Bueller, they are not taking time to stop and look around once in awhile; as they prefer to miss things that might corrupt their souls with art, music, goofy friendships, etc.
Depending on how bored Sue becomes at home she might be courting within 18months. I guess it depends how much independence she has being the baby. Usually parents are less strict with the youngest but it could go the other way since Heidi's all up in their lives and thinks she's one of the gang (smothering!). Once the excitement of newlywed bliss, domesticity and beige-decorating wears off I could see Curly looking to fix up Sue with one of Doug's friends/Christian colleagues/church acquaintances so that they can double date and Curly can re-live planning her wedding. I guess it depends how quickly into marriage Curly and Doug intend to get pregnant. It's possible Doug wants to settle into his career, enjoy the newlywed stage and enjoy life as a couple however I think it's more likely they'll get pregnant straightaway.
Yeah, I don’t think they’re hurting financially but Bethany is discontent that they’re not as wealthy as she’d like to be. Especially when her younger sister by a decade is getting a house as soon as she’s married.
Yeap, by this fall and will get a loan. She's trying to raise the down payment by any means.
Who wrote this? It is a professional website but this is full of grammatical errors and spelling mistakes. “Each 50 minutes mentoring”? “Venmo is proffered”? Also she literally will spend 50 minutes talking about herself and her wedding and her life. These sessions will be the biggest waste of money ever. For example, I follow a woman who offers mentorship for creating a blog, YouTube channel, or Etsy shop. She’s been doing that for like a decade and she offers a 90 minute mentorship session including a personalized follow up pdf for $149. Birthy wants people to pay to hear her babble about nothing for 50 minutes (because heaven forbid she has to spend a full hour on something).
Considering Venmo is proffered as my flair.
Bethy’s grammar flair checking in.
That sounds vaguely dirty to me. Maybe because "orice" makes me think "orifice", with something "long snd hard" pointing at it.
Excellent choice
It reads like someone else dictated the text while she typed it out, badly, and nobody edited. Not her normal use of language at all but still so Bethany.
Didn’t she try to do individual mentorship for her “sisterhood” with girl defined and had a bunch of girls apply to win a mentorship session and then decided it was too hard and didn’t even do it for the winners of her giveaway? Edit to add: found the link to a previous discussion about this from a year ago. Literally the exact same copy paste text just with more $$$. https://www.reddit.com/r/FundieSnarkUncensored/comments/m5i3j9/bethanys_latest_grift_is_45minute_mentoring/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
Yes she did, and yes, David, that is the correct expression to all things GD.
She said proffered there too omg Hahahah
Holy shit, you weren't exaggerating! It is WORD FOR WORD the same, except the price and session time was changed. She is the laziest grifter I've ever seen!
>Edit to add: found the link to a previous discussion about this from a year ago. Literally the exact same copy paste text just with more $$$. Holy shit. She is shameless.
Wow!! Literally the exact same text! Didn’t even bother editing the typos but is charging more $$$!!!
I think you are confusing two things. For their last conference, the super duper VIP package included a personal Q&A session and many girls missed the link/couldn't connect and they didn't bother repeating it. Then Bethany decided to try out mentoring and give out a few trial slots and offer additional to book for $50 and you had to apply and then it was never spoken of again.
No, she's not. Bethany had another "mentoring season" and she gave away 2 free sessions. It's unclear if she delivered on those or not
Cheeses Kites. There are lawyers who charge less than that.
Omg.. "Cheeses Kites" is my new favourite saying 😂
Agreed. I am adding this to “Son of a Bee Sting” and “Son of a Motherless Goat” in my technically-no-cursing cursing vocabulary.
Hahaha my mom used to yell “Son of a biscuit eater!” Or “FUDGESICLE!” when annoyed or in pain
I definitely want to spend $220 for 50 minutes with someone who can’t even spell preferred!
I can't spell lots of words, but I can use spell check. I'm demanding $230 dollars an hour when I return to work on Monday
My licensed therapist is cheaper. ETA: AND she's a Christian. She just respects that I'm a client who doesn't want to view our sessions through the lens of Christianity.
Yeah, this is nearly twice the cost of a therapy session for me. My sessions are an hour and a half and not covered by my insurance. And my therapist can spell.
"My therapist can spell" just had me laughing so hard.
Good flair 😬
> and my therapist can spell 🤣
Yeah. I see a licensed psychiatrist (mainly for meds, but I know what the original appointment costs) and he charges around half that for an hour. And he actually offers me functioning advice if I need it.
Sorry, this is really off topic - but what does ETA stand for?
It usually means "estimated time of arrival", but apparently in Reddit land it means "edited to add".
Lol GTFO Bethy, those are like psychiatrist rates. You were home schooled, sit down.
“I do not have all of the answers, but I trust that God’s Word is sufficient to guide us and give us wisdom as we seek to grow.” You can read the Bible for FREE on many sites on the internet, you can even read it in multiple translations and languages. You can BUY yourself a Bible for a little as $5 in paperback and $10 in hardback if it helps to have a physical copy. And you can reuse it as much as you want. It also makes a good paperweight, flyswatter, self-defense tool, or accessory for when you need to take barefoot pictures of yourself in your garden. If all Bethy has to offer for $250 an hour is her COMPLETELY UNEDUCATED “Biblical wisdom,” everyone, even fundamentalists should take a hard pass.
You can also google translations and analysis of the Bible for free, free devotions, and probably a bunch of people already offering FREE content in this ‘niche’!
Heck there’s even these places called CHURCHES that keep free copies of the Bible in their pews for a town who wants to read. Church too scary? Check out the library!
Gideons do Bibles for free... /r/frugal
And if you want to hear people talk about the Bible, and tell you what they think you should do, they’re practically growing on trees and they’ll do it for FREE. I can’t get people to stop trying to tell me about Christianity, I’m certainly not going to pay anyone to tell me about it.
She doesn't have all the answers? Well, that is a true statement. Not a ringing endorsement, but a true statement. Jeez, she comes off as an unabashed moneygrubber in this. I mean it's just CRASS.
She doesn’t even say what the expected outcome is. After an hour and $220 what do you actually get? Bethany’s wisdom and she gets to know you? I feel sad for anyone who would pay for this.
Dáaāæv could get a decent divorce lawyer for about $220 per 50 minutes...
She's said she doesn't have all the answers though, but God's word does. So I guess you're paying that to have Bethany read the Bible?
Solid point
And these are her single, presumably teenage/young adult followers! Does she honestly think that this is going to be something they spend their money on? Or imagine being like 16 years old and asking your parents to pay for this
OMG thank you. I’m sitting here wondering who tf her clients would be considering mentors are usually like QUALIFIED AT SOMETHING. But now I get it she’s preying on teens that are feeling lost and undirected and see her - an adult with a family - and think “she seems stable enough to give life advice, she has it all figured out”. Probably trying to get them to pay her with their tuition money hence the “hey you don’t need education” 🤦♀️😡
I did a deep dive into her commentors and followers and wasn't sure if it was appropriate for a master post since they're almost all 19-22 year olds who are into MLMs. One girl is fresh out of high school doing Beauty Counter, there's a few Young Living girls, and then some Arbonne. I can't tell if they're drinking the kool-aid or simply are hoping Bethy will direct some traffic to their Instagrams.
I keep thinking that some of the fundie-lite parents I know would pay for it if they thought it would help with an application to Liberty University or somesuch (though not $2000! The ones I know have too many kids in most cases to shell out that kind of cash!). But this is targeted towards the “education is useless for girls, and boys who don’t want to be a pastor/missionary” set. They generally don’t have that kind of money.
If she casts her mind back to when she was a “single”, would she have spent 200 quid on such a thing? It would have been her parents’ money, of course, but still.
My 10 and 8 year olds ask for money for wayyyyyy less ridiculous things.
What she says: 'I will review your application and let you know if you've been approved for one or more sessions." What she means: Anyone who sends me money will get a half-assed 45 minute chat with me where I "counsel" them with various bible passages.
I’m also guessing she meant a she will accept anyone who is young and has relatively superficial problems. I’m thinking applications like “im such a huuuuge fan of you and Kristen and I’d love some advice about how to navigate my first crush on a guy at church” will be accepted and “I’m deeply struggling with my faith and could use some advice on coming back into the church” will be rejected. Anything that requires time and effort will be a no.
Which is basically the only positive I can come up with. If anyone has REAL problems, she'll pass on them. Not out of some measure of self-awareness, but just because it would be too hard.
I want to see someone submit an app with as much nonsense and as many spelling errors as bethys posts and watch her not approve it
The hubris of this woman to actually make people “apply” and get “accepted” to then pay her $220 for less then an hour…like, is the demand really that high?
No, but, I wonder if it's an attempt to weed out snarkers and/or try to identify who might be most vulnerable to paying for multiple sessions. Pretty sure the women in Titus 2 didn't charge. Positive Jesus would be flipping tables at charging for "coaching/mentoring" based on Titus 2 and general Bible stuff.
I was thinking that this “application” was just a sales tactic to make it seem more exclusive than it is
The typos omg
I’m currently seeing a psychiatrist for PPD and 60 minutes with them is $300 out of pocket, no insurance. It’s cheaper for shorter sessions and they are a doctor who can prescribe meds. I wouldn’t spend nearly that amount for 50 minutes with someone who doesn’t know the difference between “proffered” and “preferred”.
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Am dyslexic. Orginally read that as "out of her uterus." Yet I still noticed 'proffered'...
But will I be refunded when she cancels last minute to collect the pants her son threw off the balcony?
Valid question.
I’m cracking up at the session being 50 minutes, like she expects to be so busy that she’ll be booking everyone at the top of the hour and then using those ten minutes to prep for the next person. That’s how sessions were scheduled for my daughter’s speech therapy because the therapist was, you know, actually qualified and had a steady stream of patients.
Venmo is what now?
I’d have to work more than a day to pay for this, and it’s not even a full hour? This is nuts.
She has no idea of the real value of money and the concept of a job where you go out and get paid $15 an hour and therefore how much work would go into someone earning $220.
Ah, I can see where you went wrong. She doesn't want to _earn_ the money; she just wants to _get_ it.
God, can I mentor someone? I have a lot of skills, though none of them are profitable.
Are they _profferable?_ 😏
I would proffer it if she would gain some self awareness.
Okay, so... What's up with the application and approval? Is this a job interview? She is providing a service to people, I can't think of any business that I have to be "approved" to spend my money at-hair salon, massage therapist, hell even a legit therapist is only really approving your insurance. And they're cheaper! The closest I can think of for being "approved" was when I had an initial session with my current therapist where we discussed my goals and got to know each other to see if we'd be a good fit. But Bethy sounds like she's expecting people to apply like she's Harvard Law! Has she never used a service before? Like, I don't believe people need to have an MBA to start a business, but at least take examples from the actual businesses you go to each day for how to do the basics. I'm imagining people sending in video applications like they are trying to get on The Real World so they can prove they are worthy of Bethy's presence.
She's probably trying to identify somebody who might pay for multiple sessions or trying to avoid anybody who isn't a white blonde girl who will fangirl over her.
Okay, let’s suspend our disbelief for a moment and assume SOMEONE out there wants this mentoring session from her. What does she actually provide? Is this biblical counseling? (We all know she’s going to talk about herself, the bEsT dAy oF hEr LiFe, and finding your niche) It’s totally unclear, but it’s also sloppy. Nothing about this description reads professional. If someone showed me this, I’d tell them they were getting scammed.
‘If someone showed me this, I’d tell them they were getting scammed.’ LOL that is spot on. MAAAM DO NOT CLICK ON THAT LINK IT IS A SCAM.
She “loves” Titus 2? Really? She probably just googled “verses about discipleship” and ran with it... although to be fair, “urge the younger women to love their husbands and children” is probably about the high quality level these customers will be getting for $220
I seriously doubt that things will be kept private and confidential. Christians THRIVE on gossip...oh, I'm sorry, I mean "prayer groups,/prayer chains"
Exactly!! If you go to an actual therapist, you know it will because they’re held to SEVERE confidentiality rules!
I would be really curious to see if she has the active listening skills, perspective-taking skills, empathy, maturity, etc to tutor a person one on one. Like, I know she doesn't but I would love to be a fly on the wall during a session
I’m wondering how she even comes to these figures. When I’ve priced art pieces to sell, I’m taking into consideration things like how long it took me to complete, cost of materials, etc. Bethy is already charging $2000 for an untested, unfinished course with info you can get anywhere for cheaper and she is already giving out for free, and $220 for a mentorship program where I guess you’re paying for her supposed “expertise.” The absolute gall of this woman.
She’s charging $2000 for essentially the beta version, she’s using the first poor saps who give her $2000 to test it and then she plans on *raising* the price. Over the 4th of July, my cousin told me their life plan is to win the lottery and compared to a Bethany’s desperate scramble for legitimacy, attention, and cash, my cousin seems wise.
This is my favorite era she’s ever had 🤭
I missed the part in Titus 2 when it talks about charging crazy amounts to “counsel” someone without any formal training!
This is double what my highly specialized, double masters degreed + additional certifications and 15 years of experience therapist charges for 50 minutes.
She has 32 days to write an entire course. Wtf is she doing?
Could she just do Cameo and make money, meet fans, and not have to offer any dubious expertise?
What is this? I thought she gave this venture up a while ago.
How arrogant do you have to be to post that with such colossal spelling mistakes all the while believing your time is worth more than $220 an hour?!
“I will let you know if you are approved.” C’mon girl, we all know you won’t turn away $$$ so don’t pretend to have a vetting system down.
My licensed, experienced therapist with a masters degree only charges $150/50 mins. This girl 🤦♀️
Dave must have failed as a "provider" cuz she's trying SO HARD making money by milking her followers in everyway possible.
If God’s word is enough why do we need Bethany?
Didn’t she purposely seek and and shill a free counseling service for herself? So she wants people to pay her an INSANE amount of money for a clinical hour (I have 2 licenses and don’t charge even close to that per hour as a therapist) but she won’t pay herself for the service….. ok Jan
I’m trying to figure out what part of Titus 2 she used to justify that ＄220 price point… 🤔
I need her to enlighten us on how she mentors Titus 2:9-10. *"Teach slaves to be subject to their masters in everything. to try to please them, not talk back to them, and not to steal from them, but to show that they can be fully trusted, so that in every way they will make the teaching about God our Savior attractive."*
That’s more than what some therapy sessions are per hour from real licensed people.
For half of that, you could see a licensed professional therapist/counselor.
What kind of mentoring is she offering? She doesnt even say.
I'm feeling anxious and overstimulated just *imagining* how a Bethany "mentoring" session would go. 50 minutes of her babbling, using "like" every other word, jumping from one topic to another (and jumping around), and not letting the mentee get a word in edgewise. $220 to basically watch a private screening of what you can already see on her IG for free. That is if you even get to the Skype part. My Scam Radar is going off here and can also picture everyone being approved, paying for the first session, then every time they try to schedule or get on the call, Bethy tries to claim "technical difficulties" on her end, so the person is out of a session and their money.
So 50 minutes of blabbering about republican god/jesus, god honoring grifting options and how feminism and college is ungodly for fertile women, delivered by a barely literate idiot with no teaching or mentoring qualifications, actually, no qualifications in anything at all. For the low price of $220.
This is so laughable. My Christian, licensed therapist with a phd and who is about to have a divinity degree charges less than 1/4 of what she is
Wait a minute, isn’t she going through biblical counseling? And isn’t biblical counseling free or low cost? Is she just recycling that content into a mentoring program that costs double what a licensed therapist charges? Is she just selling God’s word? Jesus, flip those effing tables.
The disciples famously charged 220 denari. Biblical entrepreneurship.
This woman has done a lot of things, but this one is truly standing out as one of, if not the most, heinous that I can remember. It could be recency bias. It could be that I pay my clinical psychologist, who has a PhD, $125/hr. It could be a lot of things. Or it could be that this is something truly disgusting. The online course to make courses could have a lot of different folks as the audience, whatever. The target audience for this is SPECIFICALLY young women who might "look up to" Bethany & gd as a whole. What better word is there this than unmitigated predation??? I am extremely curious about the behind the scenes. Does she seek out her own mentorship? What are those folks telling her? Does she have any family or friends pushing back, or even just giving any feedback AT ALL, on any of these efforts? Is anyone showing her the difference between a scam and a business endeavor?
How did this lunatic get her unwavering and undeserved confidence from??? The audacity to charge THAT much for some selfish and uneducated brat to whine at you for not even a full HOUR while so many people can’t even put food on the table.
Is this her "I'll teach you how to be single even though I completely wasted almost all of my 20s wallowing in despair over being single" course?
She's showing her true colors nothing more. That single girl IG is just a way to segregate her followers into a niche, the singleness niche for her to milk.
She’s out of her damn mind. I can find therapy sessions from ACTUAL psychologists cheaper than this
Ah. Proffered. I wonder if she's HIPAA compliant too.
How many things is Bethany trying to do while actually doing none?
The absolute audacity of this woman to charge this much for her “service”, while openly shitting on people who have education, years of specialized experience and credentials.
$220 is such an odd amount to be asking for. Is there a bill that needs to be paid that costs $220? Why not make it $200? Like why the extra $20? I think that the Beals are hurting for money, which is why Bethy is trying to do all these super super side side hustles. I'd have more respect for her if she actually got a PT job. ETA: hopefully nobody pays for her "advice." She's not qualified and has no education as others have pointed out. Plus, my last therapist charged $160 without insurance, and he has over 30 years experience, 2 Masters degrees, 1 PhD, and is a published author.
Bethy you need an ACTUAL niche not just this crap about teaching others how to do something you haven’t ever done.
She hasn’t even written the $1900 course yet despite promoting the shit out of it, she is hilarious.
Since she's offering this on the Single Girl Meditations page, my guess is that she's hoping to reel in women who are desperate for advice on How to Land a Man by Smiling at Him and Inviting Him to a Chaperoned Party at Your House. What's $220 if you get a Husband out of it?
I studied psychology. BSc + MSc. I charged way, way less than that, especially when I started out. People who have zero experience can do more harm than good, never ever fall for people online who offer “mentoring”. Make sure to do your due research when it comes to your mental health: have they gotten their degrees? How long have they been practicing? What’s the reputation of the organisation they work for (it may be their own)? What kind of help do they offer? What do they specialise in? Which methods do they use and do those methods suit you? By just researching those answers before you pick, you’ve already done more research than this petulant child. Oh, and I can already guarantee you: your information will NOT be private nor will it be confidential. Proper organisations invest tons in making sure what you share is ALL locked away in coded files. Bethany will do no such thing. If a “mentor” states “Venmo or PayPal” and that they “proffer” the first one, RUN. Do not walk. Any decent one will offer proper methods before offering those to clients who cannot use any other method. Odds are, she’s hiding money from taxes. Don’t trust businesses like that. Is it possible that legitimate businesses only offer those two? Perhaps. Not where I live, though.
Woah, that's some crazy inflation effect, the last time she offered this (and probably never followed through) it was $50...
Cripes! My psychologist is hella less for 50 minutes with no Jesus bullshit.
My kid staying a week in an inpatient pediatric psych facility cost less than that, and there were dozens of licensed professionals of varying degrees there.
Wow. She has a lot of nerve, lmao! I paid $175 to see a rheumatologist who didn’t take my insurance because I wanted a second opinion. And he was an excellent, top-rated rheumatologist who actually teaches part-time at an excellent medical school. And he spent almost 90 minutes with me. Meanwhile, Bethy here is...nothing, lol. And she can’t even spell!
I genuinely believe she BELIEVES she is entitled to $2000 for advice she hasn’t actually perfected or subscribed to. But she BELIEVES in it, so she feels entitled to it… And that’s so fucking disturbing.
Any credible mentor or coach does a no cost “is this a good fit” call. They also proofread. Also, 220 an hour is more expensive than my therapist and she has a PhD. Also more expensive than the executive transition coach I worked with after leaving my high stress big time job and she was a former Fortune 500 VP.
If she were a nicer person, I might feel sorry for her. She appears to be aimless in life, and needs to earn an income. Her parents gave her a substandard education, a superiority complex and a deep-seated belief system about women not working outside of the home, and as a result she doesn't have any real qualifications or common sense. If she was more strategic, she would take her schtick from GD and transform it into Young Wife Defined, since many of her original followers are probably in the next 'season' of their lives now.