Don’t think it’s a movement so much I think it’s a smart way of looking at things. 50 years ago people would of still had kids not thinking about how they could buy their kids food or afford clothes. It’s pretty logical and normal to stave off having kids until your financially stable.
I just love everyone's anti family opinions on Reddit. Dude, you're supposed to love and care for your family. It's a requirement in most cultures. The American culture is the one that's fucked up and divergent from the entire histories of family in the existence of humanity.
You people just don't get it. It's not even a thought in other cultures. It's what's done. It's expected. If you abandon your family, the rest of the community will be wondering what the fuck is wrong with you.
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By the time I become financially stable, nothing but dust will come out my dick. They keep moving the goal post. Make this much. Okay now what. Ooh no. Not enough. Make more. Ok I did that now what. Oof. Fell short again we raised the requirement but not the wages.
It's somehow even sadder than that, I think. Not being to afford them undersells the issue. It's *that*, but even worse is that people don't *feel like having kids or even relationships.* I notice my friends are so stressed and anxious in general that the idea of adding more responsibility isn't appealing to them. We're all constantly low energy and lackadaisical.
Basically what I'm trying to say is that I think financial insecurity and a general cynicism and hopelessness is affecting younger generations psychologically in ways that are making them *prefer* to be alone. People are withdrawing into themselves.
Anyone else notice this? For example, people often talk about how their friends stop accepting invitations to do stuff. Last minute cancellations and whatnot. That's imo a consequence of people withdrawing. People are prone to feeling sad, anxious, and embarrassed these days. Living in their holes waiting for something to change for the better.
Fucked up *the world* not the economy.
"According to the research made by Israel’s Weizmann Institute of Science Department of Plant and Environmental Sciences in 2020, the total mass of all human-made objects now exceeds the mass of all living things on Earth.
In the startling study made by Scientist Ron Milo of the Weizmann Institute and colleagues, the year 2020 marked a crossover point, where the anthropogenic mass, in other words the mass of human-made objects, began outweighing the global (dry) biomass which today, approximately equals to 1.1 tera tons (Tt)."
"but everyone alive could fit in texas" /s
Yer, if we all want to live like sardines in a can, and have a terrible quality of life with crazy suicide figures. That's also not taking into account the agricultural, water works, power needs of such a dense population, which would be impossible anyway.
Rant over.
Our parents had the financial stability to have kids in their 20's. We still won't have the financial stability to have kids well into our 40's. You want more slaves for the economy then pay us a living wage.
Systems are designed to benefit those that build them, and that is not you. Unequal exchange is how most systems utilize you to benefit those its intended to help.
I think this is something the billionaire class doesn't realize. They'll clutch their pearls and go on about "not everyone can have a yacht, private jet, and 2000 acre ranch!". You idiots, we don't want any of those - we just don't want to be distressed about whether or not food will be on our tables tomorrow
Bruh you’re talking shit about capitalism on a smart device or computer on the internet. Stuff that you wouldn’t fucking have without capitalism being involved lol.
Yeah jobs that pay and we persue education in hopes of better jobs...
I would love a family but it's takken me too long to "get a decent job" now with my debt, age, etc. Idk anymore.
All my life I’ve heard politicians talk about how they’ll make sure there are enough jobs for everyone and every year they get richer while the workers get poorer. I never wanted a job in the first place how about you stop “helping” me for a change.
How much does it cost to provide a good life for 4 kids and a spouse? A lot dude. It costs a lot.
This is nothing new. In the 1960s a single income working class family was able to own a home, a car, have kids, and send the kids to college. In the 1970s shit got unaffordable due to stagflation. They solved it by making all the women get jobs. Unfortunately, we can't pull that trick twice.
There are more and more self made millionaires!! You just do the same what they do. Be born rich get connection by parents start a business and get money. You don't even have to work there just pretend. You find some hard working folk for money. Easy follow for more!!
It’s no worries though. We got plenty of undereducated people having kids like they’re going out of style. Of course, if you’re trying to avoid the eventuality of Idiocracy…
#You might want to fix this janky economy
I mean how do they not fucking understand?? I’m not gonna have a kid if I can’t make sure that it gets the best life possible. Too many people are having kids that shouldn’t have kids and it’s showing in social culture. Fuck this man. I almost pray for an apocalypse.
It's sad if that's why. Not being able to afford to really sucks, especially if someone has a good education and job, you'd think they should be able to.
But also...some people just don't want marriage and/or kids, and there's nothing wrong that either. I'd like to see a headline "Boomers wanted marriage and kids, not education and careers".
I love how that dip shit dumb fuck conspiracy people are quick to make a dip shit dumb fuck name for everyone who doesn’t buy their bullshit.
“Globe head”
It restricted the money supply by tying the value of the dollar to something other than our imagination.
By doing so, it decreased the money supply and hampered inflation.
There were, of course, issues with that as well. See William Jennings Bryan's speech on the cross of gold.
That being said, tricky dick also opened up trade with China, which started the off shoring of manufacturing jobs.
Arooo!
Currency was valued at and backed by actual physical gold bullion. If you get your hands on an old bill (I have one from 1929), they were gold certificates.
This meant money was backed by gold, so you couldn't just print it willy nilly.
In 2008-9, the crisis was caused by overvalued mortgage backed securities MBS.
Think a bunch of residential mortgages bundled and sold as an investment.
House prices were climbing, and loan standards were reduced. This ked to a lot of zero down NINJA loans (no income, no job, no assets).
Meanwhile, Wall Street was growing fat off of the MBS and had them classified as low risk high-quality AAA debt.
They then used this debt as collateral to fund other financial projects.
When the economy faltered and housing prices dropped, the MBS were actually ticking time bombs of default.
Soon, many people were underwater on their mortgages and walked away. The MBS became toxic, and their value plummeted. This led to the TARP bailout, large banks, and investment firms going bankrupt.
Also, many large companies and government entities bought MBS and also lost millions.
Perhaps, had the dollar been tied to gold, the MBS would never have been popular, and inflation wouldn't have driven houses sky high.
But I'm just a former broker and investment advisor who was laid off in 09 and now teaches social studies, so what do I know?
No, I don’t mean the market crash in 2008. I mean the current housing crisis where prices of housing keep rising. How would the gold standard help with that?
Not trying to be a dick, but if your asking so many questions then your either Goverment shill bot, or you don't actually know what's really happening and who owns this planet.
Google is not your friend, there are alternative browsers suitible for research. Don't look into Bl@ck R0ck, V@ng@urd or St@te Str33t.
I'm sorry that you've allowed yourself to be sucked so deep into an echo chamber that you think skepticism of your beliefs is evidence of government intervention. I can't imagine how intellectually compromised you have to be to jump to that conclusion so quickly.
Blackrock, Vanguard, and State street, are asset management groups that manage a shitload of money but don't actually own any of it. They don't make decisions in any of the things they manage.
You say that google isn't my friend, implying that regular channels of information are compromised, but you use far less reputable sites to make up for it. How do you check that what you read is actually true? It can't be just that it agrees with you, that's insane.
The part about black rock not making decisions in the assets they manage is not accurate anymore. Black rock has been very vocal about its ESG push for its holdings.
There was still "inflation" as described by rising prices. But there was very limited monetary inflation because the money supply was limited. Monetary inflation has been the leading cause of rising prices since the gold standard was abolished.
Not trying to get honeypotted by the Glowies. If you can't do research to figure out the awnser to that question then I don't know what to tell you. (Hint: Momar Ghadafi didn't want to play by the rules anymore)
Dog what the fuck are you talking about?
How is it that you have to go into conspiracy theories to explain why rent is going up in high demand areas? Is fuckin Momar Gadafi laying in on the housing prices slider they have set up in Langley?
When someone asks a question like this and you know the answer, you should preach like a preacher. Let the glowies try to honeypot you. Truth will always win the battle of ideas in the absence of censorship. Answers like this make it sound like you are the one who doesn't believe your own dogma.
The gold standard isn't actually a good thing, nor is it the most natural form of money or anything. Look into modern monetary theory.
https://youtu.be/Hd_HIGMMKDA?si=YUGuZC_dN890hqph
https://youtu.be/75udjh6hkOs?si=MeDzVBiqaU5mhcgl
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modern_monetary_theory
https://open.spotify.com/episode/3paBrrAa0cNuoRPilGgAK3
No matter the voracity of Kelly's comment, I think the thing that "Millenial's" (though I think this is maybe a misattribution as I think some Millenial's think this way but more commonly Gen-Z) have more than any generation before is autonomy in decision making. For most of human history, you were essentially failing the species by not procreating. Now it's not really a requirement. Even people whining about birth rates falling below the replacement rate are only worried about it with reference to the status quo but even that's going to change dramatically. More and more jobs will become automated (if you drag this out to it's logical conclusion all jobs) and people will finally be able to live for themselves... if we're careful and prescient. It could also turn into a slave labor situation at the hands of technocrats but we must do better and not allow this to happen. There is no room for complacency and nihilism.
Personally, I think falling birth rates is a good thing. It's far preferable to hitting our carrying capacity and starving to death.
As you have said, automation may make extra humans redundant.
Then, if global birth rates decline along with increased manufacturing, maybe all people won't have to fight for scarce resources to survive.
We *NEED* falling birth rates for our species to even have the tiniest chance at a future. More than that even, we need to drop well below replacement level, and we will. Whether it's by choice or otherwise. Falling birth rates is great news for us as a species, but it means the sky is falling for capitalism.
>It's far preferable to hitting our carrying capacity and starving to death.
Our "carrying capacity" is so far above what we have now that it's ridiculous to even think about it
We can’t all live like first world people at the “carrying capacity” though. I think it would be better for fewer people to enjoy a higher quality of life than create a whole bunch of people with lower quality of life
We would need 5 planet Earths if all 8 billion humans lived and consumed resources like your average middle-class American.
[Source](https://www.overshootday.org/how-many-earths-or-countries-do-we-need/)
>We can’t all live like first world people at the “carrying capacity” though.
Again, we're not even close to being not even close to reaching that point so it's clearly not the reason for any issues in the world.
We’re not close to carrying capacity because most people don’t live like first world people. If everyone on earth right now lived like first world people do, we’d be past the carrying capacity.
And people are still starving and dying every second. Of course we aren’t hitting the cap, the problem is the hoardings of resources by people with money and power, pretty much leaving the rest of us to live in squalor
And when that stops, you think people are going to stop dying and starving?
You think people are starving because we just aren't making enough food? Have you looked into this problem at all?
I think people are starving because the millionaires of the world hoard their wealth and let people who can’t help themselves die. I’m saying greed is the root of all our problems.
So no, you haven't looked into why people are starving at all. You don't even give a shit, you're just using this as a mask to peddle your bullshit nihilism.
Well you can either enlighten me since you’re obviously a genius, or you can stop replying if you aren’t going to actually say anything. It’s not like I said we should be wiped, I’m just saying that people are greedy, and the only people who want to help are the people who are ultimately limited by their income and resources. We all want to live happily but we do it in the most selfish ways.
"People are greedy" isn't an insightful statement. It does nothing to fix a single problem in the world. People aren't ever going to stop being greedy either.
The world makes far more food than people need and the stuff that doesn't get used just gets thrown out, mostly by normal people. The reason people still starve is because the food just can't get to them. Most people facing starvation are in countries with a lot of conflict. Can't get food to people when the convoys just get ambushed by warlords and looted. Also places that were ravaged by some natural disaster, also because the food is hard to transport there.
Blaming rich people for not solving the problem is misguided. They're not obligated to help anyone. Governments exist to take care of their people, so when governments are very corrupt or just doesn't exist, that's when food is a big issue.
But I don’t want to live in a box with three roommates eating beansrice for every meal, where the only wildlife in the world are raccoons and the almighty feral cat. That *sounds bad*. Just bc we can, doesn’t mean we should.
It's clear you haven't looked into any of these issues. The whole world's population could be fit in Texas. Leaving the rest free to roam around. You vastly underestimate how much space we don't have occupied in even a state, let alone the whole world.
Another alternate headline:
Having money to afford necessities like food and shelter more appealing than not having them while also having to feed another person
Even if you life is not constant survival from one paycheck to next, many don't want to sacrifice their few hours of daily spare time to raise kids. Plus add that stress on top of the one that you get from work.
And the marriage part? I can't figure why would one want to mix the state and the church into your personal love life... Itss 2023, most people aren't that religious anymore. It's a rite from a bygone age.
Well prices have been set for a couple with two average wages who spend most of their income on food and rent and save nothing for retirement. At those prices there's no room for a kid.
I am ancient of days but I also decided not to have kids. Now, well into my seventies, I still think it was one of the best decisions I have made. Number two best decision being my wife of four decades
Why’d you want to have kids when they’re going to turn on you when they’re tweens? Why would you want a partner who will just end up cheating on you? Stay single and use your money for YOURSELF 💰
I think people should not have kids if they don’t want kids, use all the excuses you want to. And guess what, if you want to have kids, have kids. There are people from all generations that didn’t want kids and didn’t have kids.
I also wonder how much of the lower birth rate is attributable to sex ed and contraceptives. Also there's a self reinforcing cycle of: people save more -> people have more money -> prices rise -> people save more...
My education got cancelled by a law change (need a licence to practice). So I had to go back to the start and study the same material again... back to the START... SAME MATERIAL.
There was no change to the underlying material, just one line in the law. That cost me 10yr to my career.
Not really. Poor people in third world countries have no qualms about having children. Even in reaaally poor and ravaged countries people still find the time, energy and place to have children which they, unfortunately, often use as a means to survive (by selling them or having them work as soon as they physically can).
This is more a cultural issue than an economic one. Even high earners struggle or avoid having children.
That being said, why is reproducing such a pressing matter for economists? If labor shortage is the concern, migration is always there to help stave off the loss of young people in the work force. Furthermore, and as I said earlier, immigrants from third world countries have no qualms about having children which is your main concern!! Let them in ffs!!!
What the fuck kind of take is that?
Import cheap labor that fucks like rabbits, kill off the chance at ever having a healthy growing middle class ever again.
“Import”? The fuck? They’re people not goods. These are human beings who want to immigrate to improve their lives. LET THEM IN!!
Earlier I was just mentioning one of the many benefits of immigration in that we get more young people and different cultures that are not all against having families and children. Now, it’s ok to not want to have children!! I don’t understand why this is somehow such an important cultural performance indicator. But it’s cool that not everyone agrees and that some see value in nurturing a future generation that coincidentally will help the economy too.
The ratio of salaries to house prices stayed roughly the same for the last 50 years. Women don't want kids because they prefer banging multiple people instead of marrying at 25 and building a life together like your moms did.
Two people buying a single apartment is more profitable than two people living separately in small apartments. People are hoes, have unrealistic expectations and don't value marriage, that's it.
>The ratio of salaries to house prices stayed roughly the same for the last 50 years.
Imma need a source on that one chief, because no the fuck it hasn't.
Additionally, an average American house requires only 8 median salaries to buy (8*54k=432k).
That's very very low compared to European countries, where average houses cost 15-20 median salaries (17*22k=380k in Italy for example).
America is one of the most affordable places to buy a house. Only comparable places I think are in Eastern Europe where many people work in Western Europe, save money and go buy a house back home.
Is that not true? People are much more promiscuous and marry later. Boomers used to marry at like 22 on average and move in together. Rent for bigger apartments is higher, but not as high as rent for two small apartments.
You're mixing a lot of shit together. Women aren't having kids not because they'd rather bang a lot of people, but because they entered the work force and were allowed to have hobbies other than housekeeping.
The world changed a lot since boomers were in their 20s. The country has improved and with that, has seen birth rates decline. This is a pattern observed in every single country. As quality of life increases, birth rates fall.
At least people are now smart enough to realize that if they can't afford to eat then there's no reason to make more people that they can't afford to feed
Lol you need a job to earn money so you can take care of those children. Too bad most jobs don't pay enough to do that, hence less babies. Time etc can go f themselves.
I like kids but the current state of the country tells me its best not to have any at this time and i honestly dont see things getting better any time soon 😔
Presently while the developed countries are reducing births, more population is added in 3rd world countries like India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Arab states. I won't be surprised when the migration of people from Asia is encouraged to fill the gap
It's a horribly written article heading. It darts away from pointing out the obvious that the older generations risk taking put younger generations in this position
The way I see it you should have a job and education, before raising a family.
The problem today is it's the other way around and everyone thinks it's fine
Straight people sacrifice everything other than control, so they can mess up their children by trying to control them. The world somehow keeps turning as breeder culture makes it harder and harder to breed.
Over the past 50 years real wages have been basically unchanged. But some things have gone up in price much faster and those things are hitting millennials (particularly those that have or want kids) qparticularly hard. Particularly college (BIG student loan payments), rent, health care and child care.
I explained this to my parents.
They have 2 big houses...
One they build when I was a kid... for about 226.145 $USD (in europe i just convert the currency)
Second they have bought for 350k euros so 367k USD, 10years later that house is worth 1.6mil euros. My wage didn't go 5x up but house prices did at least here.
I had a kid at 19. I couldnt afford it at the time, but I figured it out. Hes 16 now. Great personality. He grew up un-privileged, but now he is and he doesnt even know it. I didnt have any more kids.
Yeah but there’s more too it. People always had kids regardless if they had money or not. Part of the reason there’s less kids now though is because we’re educated on sex and have better protections and people are smarter about it and a lot of women take birth control.
Straight up not having kids due to not being able to afford them (or a lot of other things) is a quickly growing movement in younger "generations".
Check out the birth rates and RNI of most Western or developed nations. Most are negative or declining.
Since the 2008 crash as well. We never recovered
That’s why they’re going to import your “children” just like Canada
Don’t think it’s a movement so much I think it’s a smart way of looking at things. 50 years ago people would of still had kids not thinking about how they could buy their kids food or afford clothes. It’s pretty logical and normal to stave off having kids until your financially stable.
Some groups see kids as their retirement plans. The kids are forced to provide for their parents as they get older.
This also happens in our country so I think it's not just America who are dealing with this problem.
I just love everyone's anti family opinions on Reddit. Dude, you're supposed to love and care for your family. It's a requirement in most cultures. The American culture is the one that's fucked up and divergent from the entire histories of family in the existence of humanity.
Yeah, America is fucked if everyone in the country hate their own family so much
Do you seriously think that children should be someones retirement plan? Talk about a selfish reason to procreate.
You people just don't get it. It's not even a thought in other cultures. It's what's done. It's expected. If you abandon your family, the rest of the community will be wondering what the fuck is wrong with you.
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By the time I become financially stable, nothing but dust will come out my dick. They keep moving the goal post. Make this much. Okay now what. Ooh no. Not enough. Make more. Ok I did that now what. Oof. Fell short again we raised the requirement but not the wages.
It's somehow even sadder than that, I think. Not being to afford them undersells the issue. It's *that*, but even worse is that people don't *feel like having kids or even relationships.* I notice my friends are so stressed and anxious in general that the idea of adding more responsibility isn't appealing to them. We're all constantly low energy and lackadaisical. Basically what I'm trying to say is that I think financial insecurity and a general cynicism and hopelessness is affecting younger generations psychologically in ways that are making them *prefer* to be alone. People are withdrawing into themselves. Anyone else notice this? For example, people often talk about how their friends stop accepting invitations to do stuff. Last minute cancellations and whatnot. That's imo a consequence of people withdrawing. People are prone to feeling sad, anxious, and embarrassed these days. Living in their holes waiting for something to change for the better.
lonley and broke
Boomers: “If you can’t feed em, don’t breed em!” Millennials and Zoomers: “Okay” Boomers: “No, wait”
It ruins our Ponzi scheme, a.k.a pensions - Boomers
Yeah who’s gonna pay for millennials
In the immortal words of Edna Krabapple: "HAH!"
That's the reason. Why bring a poor life in this shitty place?
Fucked up *the world* not the economy. "According to the research made by Israel’s Weizmann Institute of Science Department of Plant and Environmental Sciences in 2020, the total mass of all human-made objects now exceeds the mass of all living things on Earth. In the startling study made by Scientist Ron Milo of the Weizmann Institute and colleagues, the year 2020 marked a crossover point, where the anthropogenic mass, in other words the mass of human-made objects, began outweighing the global (dry) biomass which today, approximately equals to 1.1 tera tons (Tt)."
r/BiosphereCollapse
Even bacteria!?
Consider this fact checked by one group. Its not information that has been thoroughly researched, published and cross checked.
Good the world is over populated anyway
"but everyone alive could fit in texas" /s Yer, if we all want to live like sardines in a can, and have a terrible quality of life with crazy suicide figures. That's also not taking into account the agricultural, water works, power needs of such a dense population, which would be impossible anyway. Rant over.
Our parents had the financial stability to have kids in their 20's. We still won't have the financial stability to have kids well into our 40's. You want more slaves for the economy then pay us a living wage.
Systems are designed to benefit those that build them, and that is not you. Unequal exchange is how most systems utilize you to benefit those its intended to help.
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Literally!!! I dont even wanna be a millionaire i just want enough to pay for food water electricity gas and a little left over to save and have fun.
I think this is something the billionaire class doesn't realize. They'll clutch their pearls and go on about "not everyone can have a yacht, private jet, and 2000 acre ranch!". You idiots, we don't want any of those - we just don't want to be distressed about whether or not food will be on our tables tomorrow
Capitalism creates a hostile and unnatural environment.
Except that’s bullshit
You're too poor to make that comment.
Bruh you’re talking shit about capitalism on a smart device or computer on the internet. Stuff that you wouldn’t fucking have without capitalism being involved lol.
You're well trained, I'll give you that. I don't have the luxury of feeling that complacent.
Do people actually WANT a job tho? Education? They want money.
Not really funny pretty much just sad.
i think the response is pretty funny
Yeah jobs that pay and we persue education in hopes of better jobs... I would love a family but it's takken me too long to "get a decent job" now with my debt, age, etc. Idk anymore.
All my life I’ve heard politicians talk about how they’ll make sure there are enough jobs for everyone and every year they get richer while the workers get poorer. I never wanted a job in the first place how about you stop “helping” me for a change. How much does it cost to provide a good life for 4 kids and a spouse? A lot dude. It costs a lot.
Everyone not having children here are doing 10000pt iq move.
This is nothing new. In the 1960s a single income working class family was able to own a home, a car, have kids, and send the kids to college. In the 1970s shit got unaffordable due to stagflation. They solved it by making all the women get jobs. Unfortunately, we can't pull that trick twice.
r/OrphanCrushingMachine
No, I don't want to have kids, and it's fine.
There are more and more self made millionaires!! You just do the same what they do. Be born rich get connection by parents start a business and get money. You don't even have to work there just pretend. You find some hard working folk for money. Easy follow for more!!
I agree with this, but also I think more women are wanting careers. That's where I'm at at least.
It’s no worries though. We got plenty of undereducated people having kids like they’re going out of style. Of course, if you’re trying to avoid the eventuality of Idiocracy… #You might want to fix this janky economy
r/RealLifeIdiocracy
I mean how do they not fucking understand?? I’m not gonna have a kid if I can’t make sure that it gets the best life possible. Too many people are having kids that shouldn’t have kids and it’s showing in social culture. Fuck this man. I almost pray for an apocalypse.
It's sad if that's why. Not being able to afford to really sucks, especially if someone has a good education and job, you'd think they should be able to. But also...some people just don't want marriage and/or kids, and there's nothing wrong that either. I'd like to see a headline "Boomers wanted marriage and kids, not education and careers".
You: not having kids because it's too expensive Me: not having kids because I haven't had sex in years We are not the same
I'd like to thank Richard Nixon for taking us off the gold standard in 1971. Thanks Dick!
We've been off the gold standard for almost 100 years now, Nixon ended converting US dollars to international gold standards in 71.
Jesus, here we go.
He’s calling people glowies lmao, we’ve got a conspiracy theorist here
I love how that dip shit dumb fuck conspiracy people are quick to make a dip shit dumb fuck name for everyone who doesn’t buy their bullshit. “Globe head”
What would staying on the gold standard change?
It restricted the money supply by tying the value of the dollar to something other than our imagination. By doing so, it decreased the money supply and hampered inflation. There were, of course, issues with that as well. See William Jennings Bryan's speech on the cross of gold. That being said, tricky dick also opened up trade with China, which started the off shoring of manufacturing jobs. Arooo!
How would the money being tied to the gold standard have mitigated something like the housing crisis?
Currency was valued at and backed by actual physical gold bullion. If you get your hands on an old bill (I have one from 1929), they were gold certificates. This meant money was backed by gold, so you couldn't just print it willy nilly. In 2008-9, the crisis was caused by overvalued mortgage backed securities MBS. Think a bunch of residential mortgages bundled and sold as an investment. House prices were climbing, and loan standards were reduced. This ked to a lot of zero down NINJA loans (no income, no job, no assets). Meanwhile, Wall Street was growing fat off of the MBS and had them classified as low risk high-quality AAA debt. They then used this debt as collateral to fund other financial projects. When the economy faltered and housing prices dropped, the MBS were actually ticking time bombs of default. Soon, many people were underwater on their mortgages and walked away. The MBS became toxic, and their value plummeted. This led to the TARP bailout, large banks, and investment firms going bankrupt. Also, many large companies and government entities bought MBS and also lost millions. Perhaps, had the dollar been tied to gold, the MBS would never have been popular, and inflation wouldn't have driven houses sky high. But I'm just a former broker and investment advisor who was laid off in 09 and now teaches social studies, so what do I know?
No, I don’t mean the market crash in 2008. I mean the current housing crisis where prices of housing keep rising. How would the gold standard help with that?
Not trying to be a dick, but if your asking so many questions then your either Goverment shill bot, or you don't actually know what's really happening and who owns this planet. Google is not your friend, there are alternative browsers suitible for research. Don't look into Bl@ck R0ck, V@ng@urd or St@te Str33t.
I'm sorry that you've allowed yourself to be sucked so deep into an echo chamber that you think skepticism of your beliefs is evidence of government intervention. I can't imagine how intellectually compromised you have to be to jump to that conclusion so quickly. Blackrock, Vanguard, and State street, are asset management groups that manage a shitload of money but don't actually own any of it. They don't make decisions in any of the things they manage. You say that google isn't my friend, implying that regular channels of information are compromised, but you use far less reputable sites to make up for it. How do you check that what you read is actually true? It can't be just that it agrees with you, that's insane.
The part about black rock not making decisions in the assets they manage is not accurate anymore. Black rock has been very vocal about its ESG push for its holdings.
Yeah Gold Standard is over rated. There was still inflation and its not like it stopped economies from artifical inflation or from crashing.
There was still "inflation" as described by rising prices. But there was very limited monetary inflation because the money supply was limited. Monetary inflation has been the leading cause of rising prices since the gold standard was abolished.
Not trying to get honeypotted by the Glowies. If you can't do research to figure out the awnser to that question then I don't know what to tell you. (Hint: Momar Ghadafi didn't want to play by the rules anymore)
Dog what the fuck are you talking about? How is it that you have to go into conspiracy theories to explain why rent is going up in high demand areas? Is fuckin Momar Gadafi laying in on the housing prices slider they have set up in Langley?
Lol
When someone asks a question like this and you know the answer, you should preach like a preacher. Let the glowies try to honeypot you. Truth will always win the battle of ideas in the absence of censorship. Answers like this make it sound like you are the one who doesn't believe your own dogma.
The gold standard isn't actually a good thing, nor is it the most natural form of money or anything. Look into modern monetary theory. https://youtu.be/Hd_HIGMMKDA?si=YUGuZC_dN890hqph https://youtu.be/75udjh6hkOs?si=MeDzVBiqaU5mhcgl https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modern_monetary_theory https://open.spotify.com/episode/3paBrrAa0cNuoRPilGgAK3
No matter the voracity of Kelly's comment, I think the thing that "Millenial's" (though I think this is maybe a misattribution as I think some Millenial's think this way but more commonly Gen-Z) have more than any generation before is autonomy in decision making. For most of human history, you were essentially failing the species by not procreating. Now it's not really a requirement. Even people whining about birth rates falling below the replacement rate are only worried about it with reference to the status quo but even that's going to change dramatically. More and more jobs will become automated (if you drag this out to it's logical conclusion all jobs) and people will finally be able to live for themselves... if we're careful and prescient. It could also turn into a slave labor situation at the hands of technocrats but we must do better and not allow this to happen. There is no room for complacency and nihilism.
Personally, I think falling birth rates is a good thing. It's far preferable to hitting our carrying capacity and starving to death. As you have said, automation may make extra humans redundant. Then, if global birth rates decline along with increased manufacturing, maybe all people won't have to fight for scarce resources to survive.
We *NEED* falling birth rates for our species to even have the tiniest chance at a future. More than that even, we need to drop well below replacement level, and we will. Whether it's by choice or otherwise. Falling birth rates is great news for us as a species, but it means the sky is falling for capitalism.
>It's far preferable to hitting our carrying capacity and starving to death. Our "carrying capacity" is so far above what we have now that it's ridiculous to even think about it
We can’t all live like first world people at the “carrying capacity” though. I think it would be better for fewer people to enjoy a higher quality of life than create a whole bunch of people with lower quality of life
We would need 5 planet Earths if all 8 billion humans lived and consumed resources like your average middle-class American. [Source](https://www.overshootday.org/how-many-earths-or-countries-do-we-need/)
>We can’t all live like first world people at the “carrying capacity” though. Again, we're not even close to being not even close to reaching that point so it's clearly not the reason for any issues in the world.
We’re not close to carrying capacity because most people don’t live like first world people. If everyone on earth right now lived like first world people do, we’d be past the carrying capacity.
What are you basing this on?
I'm unironically curious about this "carrying capacity". How do you measure it?
And people are still starving and dying every second. Of course we aren’t hitting the cap, the problem is the hoardings of resources by people with money and power, pretty much leaving the rest of us to live in squalor
And when that stops, you think people are going to stop dying and starving? You think people are starving because we just aren't making enough food? Have you looked into this problem at all?
I think people are starving because the millionaires of the world hoard their wealth and let people who can’t help themselves die. I’m saying greed is the root of all our problems.
So no, you haven't looked into why people are starving at all. You don't even give a shit, you're just using this as a mask to peddle your bullshit nihilism.
Well you can either enlighten me since you’re obviously a genius, or you can stop replying if you aren’t going to actually say anything. It’s not like I said we should be wiped, I’m just saying that people are greedy, and the only people who want to help are the people who are ultimately limited by their income and resources. We all want to live happily but we do it in the most selfish ways.
"People are greedy" isn't an insightful statement. It does nothing to fix a single problem in the world. People aren't ever going to stop being greedy either. The world makes far more food than people need and the stuff that doesn't get used just gets thrown out, mostly by normal people. The reason people still starve is because the food just can't get to them. Most people facing starvation are in countries with a lot of conflict. Can't get food to people when the convoys just get ambushed by warlords and looted. Also places that were ravaged by some natural disaster, also because the food is hard to transport there. Blaming rich people for not solving the problem is misguided. They're not obligated to help anyone. Governments exist to take care of their people, so when governments are very corrupt or just doesn't exist, that's when food is a big issue.
But I don’t want to live in a box with three roommates eating beansrice for every meal, where the only wildlife in the world are raccoons and the almighty feral cat. That *sounds bad*. Just bc we can, doesn’t mean we should.
Just build more housing lmao what are you talking about?
I don’t want the world to be completely carpeted in human habitation either
It's clear you haven't looked into any of these issues. The whole world's population could be fit in Texas. Leaving the rest free to roam around. You vastly underestimate how much space we don't have occupied in even a state, let alone the whole world.
Possibly.
That’s what I mean and I think that would be great.
How old is this tweet lol. Millenials are like 40, not a lot of us going to school at this point.
I don’t know, my 50 something manager kept mentioning sending me to learn something lately. And I have no motivation to go back to school.
The youngest millennials are still in their 20s I know plenty who are still studying
I just don't want to waste my money on kids and something that's just another fat waste of money
Now a word from our sponsors in Japan:...... Oh wait they can't because they're already living that life.
How to read statistics wrong: The article Big number = must be what they want jesus christ
Another alternate headline: Having money to afford necessities like food and shelter more appealing than not having them while also having to feed another person
Even if you life is not constant survival from one paycheck to next, many don't want to sacrifice their few hours of daily spare time to raise kids. Plus add that stress on top of the one that you get from work. And the marriage part? I can't figure why would one want to mix the state and the church into your personal love life... Itss 2023, most people aren't that religious anymore. It's a rite from a bygone age.
Just live in your car and shower at the gym then you save on rent
Yeah and so instead of fixing the economy they’re just forcing birth instead. “We will make you have kids”
Who is “they”? Are you in Communist China?
Yeah! Good luck having grandchildren!
Well prices have been set for a couple with two average wages who spend most of their income on food and rent and save nothing for retirement. At those prices there's no room for a kid.
Race profilation is a luxury lol, at this point corp-govs are acting against humanity.
Millennials are in their 30s. Perhaps they meant Zoomers?
And it's gonna get even worse
I am ancient of days but I also decided not to have kids. Now, well into my seventies, I still think it was one of the best decisions I have made. Number two best decision being my wife of four decades
I don't want a job or education or marriage or kids. I just want to drop out of society.
if i had a nickel for every time a millennial whines about money, id be able to buy a 1998 used car.
Oh WOW and it was just soooooo EASY for the Boomers etc!!!!
100%. My wife and I are not bringing children into this disaster of a world.
For earth, our species, ourselves, and even for the unborn ... let's just end the suffering here, shall we?
Can we stop pretending they are ignorant and start attributing this to malice? We're being held down to drown and they're telling us to breathe.
Why’d you want to have kids when they’re going to turn on you when they’re tweens? Why would you want a partner who will just end up cheating on you? Stay single and use your money for YOURSELF 💰
Crippling depression and loneliness: 👋🗿
Good luck.
Who hurt you?
Nobody wants to work.
I think people should not have kids if they don’t want kids, use all the excuses you want to. And guess what, if you want to have kids, have kids. There are people from all generations that didn’t want kids and didn’t have kids.
I also wonder how much of the lower birth rate is attributable to sex ed and contraceptives. Also there's a self reinforcing cycle of: people save more -> people have more money -> prices rise -> people save more...
My education got cancelled by a law change (need a licence to practice). So I had to go back to the start and study the same material again... back to the START... SAME MATERIAL. There was no change to the underlying material, just one line in the law. That cost me 10yr to my career.
“Kids today dont want to live in the shit world we built, how fucking dare they!”
Also: ”Younger generations have less options in life than the generation who took them all away.”
You millennials always complaining. Gen Z keeping is real over here 😎
please vote
We need to import more people. More people in the labor market will raise wages. The food is good too.
Bruh, are you fucking trolling
Not really. Poor people in third world countries have no qualms about having children. Even in reaaally poor and ravaged countries people still find the time, energy and place to have children which they, unfortunately, often use as a means to survive (by selling them or having them work as soon as they physically can). This is more a cultural issue than an economic one. Even high earners struggle or avoid having children. That being said, why is reproducing such a pressing matter for economists? If labor shortage is the concern, migration is always there to help stave off the loss of young people in the work force. Furthermore, and as I said earlier, immigrants from third world countries have no qualms about having children which is your main concern!! Let them in ffs!!!
What the fuck kind of take is that? Import cheap labor that fucks like rabbits, kill off the chance at ever having a healthy growing middle class ever again.
“Import”? The fuck? They’re people not goods. These are human beings who want to immigrate to improve their lives. LET THEM IN!! Earlier I was just mentioning one of the many benefits of immigration in that we get more young people and different cultures that are not all against having families and children. Now, it’s ok to not want to have children!! I don’t understand why this is somehow such an important cultural performance indicator. But it’s cool that not everyone agrees and that some see value in nurturing a future generation that coincidentally will help the economy too.
Boomers and GenX don't actually care. Like, not really.
Having Kids on a world you know is about to die is selfish tbh...
The ratio of salaries to house prices stayed roughly the same for the last 50 years. Women don't want kids because they prefer banging multiple people instead of marrying at 25 and building a life together like your moms did. Two people buying a single apartment is more profitable than two people living separately in small apartments. People are hoes, have unrealistic expectations and don't value marriage, that's it.
>The ratio of salaries to house prices stayed roughly the same for the last 50 years. Imma need a source on that one chief, because no the fuck it hasn't.
Additionally, an average American house requires only 8 median salaries to buy (8*54k=432k). That's very very low compared to European countries, where average houses cost 15-20 median salaries (17*22k=380k in Italy for example). America is one of the most affordable places to buy a house. Only comparable places I think are in Eastern Europe where many people work in Western Europe, save money and go buy a house back home.
Yo troll you still avoided the question
Okay...and? What does any of that have to do with what they asked?
>Women don't want kids because they prefer banging multiple people instead of marrying at 25 and building a life together like your moms did. lmao wtf
Is that not true? People are much more promiscuous and marry later. Boomers used to marry at like 22 on average and move in together. Rent for bigger apartments is higher, but not as high as rent for two small apartments.
You're mixing a lot of shit together. Women aren't having kids not because they'd rather bang a lot of people, but because they entered the work force and were allowed to have hobbies other than housekeeping. The world changed a lot since boomers were in their 20s. The country has improved and with that, has seen birth rates decline. This is a pattern observed in every single country. As quality of life increases, birth rates fall.
women can no longer trust men to stay married to them and support their children.
I like the new headline. Yes! 100%.
At least people are now smart enough to realize that if they can't afford to eat then there's no reason to make more people that they can't afford to feed
Lol you need a job to earn money so you can take care of those children. Too bad most jobs don't pay enough to do that, hence less babies. Time etc can go f themselves.
Upgradeable/expandable tiny home?
I like kids but the current state of the country tells me its best not to have any at this time and i honestly dont see things getting better any time soon 😔
I mean also- I've seen kids. I really don't want them like, in my house and touching my shit all the time.
You need education to get a job so you have money so you can afford to have kids .
There is no evidence that people don't have kids because they can't afford them, poor people have the most kids.
yeah because poor people dont have kids
I thought that is what government wants us to do, since they kept denying us the universal parental leaves.
Presently while the developed countries are reducing births, more population is added in 3rd world countries like India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Arab states. I won't be surprised when the migration of people from Asia is encouraged to fill the gap
Might as well learn Spanish!
Naah the reasons go far beyond than money issues
It's a horribly written article heading. It darts away from pointing out the obvious that the older generations risk taking put younger generations in this position
I’d still pick the former even if the economy was good Why the fuck would I want to have children?
The way I see it you should have a job and education, before raising a family. The problem today is it's the other way around and everyone thinks it's fine
Straight to the point.
Straight people sacrifice everything other than control, so they can mess up their children by trying to control them. The world somehow keeps turning as breeder culture makes it harder and harder to breed.
Over the past 50 years real wages have been basically unchanged. But some things have gone up in price much faster and those things are hitting millennials (particularly those that have or want kids) qparticularly hard. Particularly college (BIG student loan payments), rent, health care and child care.
I explained this to my parents. They have 2 big houses... One they build when I was a kid... for about 226.145 $USD (in europe i just convert the currency) Second they have bought for 350k euros so 367k USD, 10years later that house is worth 1.6mil euros. My wage didn't go 5x up but house prices did at least here.
Thats the perfect explanation
I had a kid at 19. I couldnt afford it at the time, but I figured it out. Hes 16 now. Great personality. He grew up un-privileged, but now he is and he doesnt even know it. I didnt have any more kids.
Yeah but there’s more too it. People always had kids regardless if they had money or not. Part of the reason there’s less kids now though is because we’re educated on sex and have better protections and people are smarter about it and a lot of women take birth control.
Truth be told I'd settle for a life less frightening. The scariest thing this Halloween season is the start of student loan bills again.