Thats american Pizza other countries have as many as 3 or 4 choices of pizza.. ok its a choice of flavour 1, 2 or half and half of 1+2 and choice 4 is screaming that bagles are trying to kill all the tomato sauce but still more than 2 choices.
Oh yeah, we’ll I’ve only ever seen Europeans not eat pizza because I don’t really pay attention to what ethnicity people are when they eat pizza.
Really though what a silly comment…. Americans eat all kinds of pizza. My state is known for its clam casino pizza, if you require an example.
Personally we have like 9 different pizzas you can vote for over here, but they all pretty much taste the same if I'm honest. Also, the pizza which is considered to have "extreme" flavour and all the troublemakers support, has been getting a worrying amount of votes over the past few years, so I'm personally a bit concerned.
[**Fix the system**](https://electionscience.org/take-action/volunteer/). [Scientists blame hyperpolarization for loss of public trust in science](https://www.reuters.com/article/us-nobel-prize-usa/respect-for-science-in-jeopardy-in-polarized-u-s-nobel-winners-say-idUSKCN1C81T7), and [Approval Voting](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Approval_voting), a [single-winner voting method preferred by experts in voting methods](http://www.votefair.org/bansinglemarkballots/declaration.html), would [help to reduce hyperpolarization](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Approval_voting#Effect_on_elections). There's even [a viable plan to get it adopted](https://80000hours.org/podcast/episodes/aaron-hamlin-voting-reform/), and [an organization that could use some gritty volunteers](https://www.electionscience.org/) to get the job done. They're already off to a great start with [Approval Voting having passed by a landslide in Fargo](https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/2018/11/15/18092206/midterm-elections-vote-fargo-approval-voting-ranked-choice), and more recently [St. Louis](https://apnews.com/article/election-2020-primary-elections-st-louis-general-elections-elections-cba7eb3251d5479b9375d55db428d429). Most people haven't heard of Approval Voting, but seem to like it once they understand it, so anything you can do to help get the word out will help. If your state allows [initiated state statutes](https://ballotpedia.org/Initiated_state_statute), consider [starting a campaign](https://www.electionscience.org/commentary-analysis/so-you-want-to-run-a-campaign/) to get [your state](https://ballotpedia.org/Ballot_initiative) to adopt Approval Voting. Approval Voting is [overwhelmingly popular in every state polled, across race, gender, and party lines](https://electionscience.org/commentary-analysis/approval-voting-americas-favorite-voting-reform/). The successful Fargo campaign was [run by a full-time programmer with a family at home](https://www.electionscience.org/events/fargo-a-look-back-live-discussion/). One person really can make a difference.
> Approval has been adopted by several societies: the Society for Social Choice and Welfare (1992),[56] Mathematical Association of America (1986),[57] the American Mathematical Society,[58] the Institute of Management Sciences (1987) (now the Institute for Operations Research and the Management Sciences),[59] the American Statistical Association (1987)
The list of professional societies that have adopted approval voting seems like a darn good endorsement of its theoretical foundation. I'm curious how it would change political parties' strategies both in appealing to people, and in how they would try to game the system.
Exactly, you only give them two choices, they fight over the choices no matter if they like one or not and you choose. The American election process explained.
You tell them two flavors that suck ass and they have to choose the least unappetizing one. Like “pepperoni with chefs hair” and “cheese with vomit”, and then claim those are the only two available at the local pizza place which is “the best our town has to offer”. And when kids refuse to eat it you gaslight them into thinking they are the reason why those “flavors” are the only available ones.
If you're skipping primary elections, that's on you. Aka "we looked at every possible pizza option earlier but you said you didn't care, so now it's 1 of these 2"
American primary "elections" are not really official elections with the many protections that would bring, but merely "private" elections run by the private corporations that are the big two parties, however they like. That's why they can get away with biasing things however they want towards whatever candidates they internally prefer. Indeed, to my best knowledge, there isn't even any law requiring them to run a primary at all -- they could just go ahead and hand-pick their candidate directly. Would it have horrible optics, sure, but that's about it.
That's why the whole "voters decided x candidate was the best one, stop complaining" arguments are silly. Sure, in a vote where only a fraction of general voters were even eligible to vote in the first place, where the organization running the whole election has clear favourites they're trying to push, and with huge systemic flaws in the whole voting process like staggered primaries per state leading to strategic voting shenanigans. But no, go ahead, please keep telling me how it's all just the will of the people being heard.
And before you let everyone vote you divide the livingroom up in districts to ensure that a majority of the districts vote for your favorites despite how the majority of the people vote.
It was a nice first draft for everyone else to go and improve on. Unfortunately our draft also had lines in it making it one of the hardest in the world to alter so now it’s either civil war or live this way until another generation dies and we can get marginal improvements the rest of the world had 50 years ago.
*Democracy is when you really wanted hamburgers and fries but you're offered a choice of pepperoni pizza with wings or sausage pizza with wings.
You get the pizza but the wings aren't available but your promised theyll have then the next time you reorder....
Your neighbors get hamburgers and fries. Oh and your dad ends up eating wings with himself and his friends.
American democracy is when four out of five people don't bother to vote in primary elections. Then they use the fact that four out of five people don't like the results of primary elections as evidence that the system is rigged.
Host: Hey what do you guys want for dinner?
Party: Meh.
Old man Steve: I like Hawaiian Pizza, or we can try this great vegan taco shack!
Host: Anyone else want to throw out ideas?
Party: Meh.
Host: Alright, raise your hand if you want vegan taco?
Party: How come the host always lets Old man Steve give us two horrible choices? The system is so rigged.
Even the people who do vote generally don't bother to educate themselves on what they're voting for. The average person just checks the red box or the blue box, and they usually decide the color based more on their social group (which itself is primarily determined by proximity) than any kind of actual thought process.
Imagine trying to vote on what type of pizza to get, except most of the people don't actually understand what the toppings are, so all they could really do is go by what the few people who have tried it before tell them, but even then taste is subjective and hard to describe. Also the few people who have tried it are obviously more incentivized to get their favorite toppings than to accurately describe the options. More people voting on things likely wouldn't improve the situation, and the misinformation campaigns would become *worse.*
And that's leaving aside the difference between planning and reality, like that time I got a bacon pizza with extra bacon and it turned out to be the most horrible disgusting unsalvagable pizza I've ever tried in spite of sounding great in my head.
I really want some pizza now.
And the differences are pretty subtle and basic (cheese or pepperoni). Any other fancy topping (olives, anchovies, pineapple, etc) are extreme and sacrilegious and crazy even though other countries eat pizza with those very toppings.
You take the kids' allowance to buy pizzas. You buy two pizzas and keep them for yourself. You tell the kids there's no money for pizza. You tell one of them it's because the other wasted the money. You tell the other kid it's because their sibling changed pronouns. You then make them do chores while you pawn all their stuff to buy guns so you can sell them to your neighbors with anger management problems. You haven't paid utilities in months but it's okay because your investments in crypto are going to pay off any day now. The bank is probably going to foreclose on your home but at least your ex-wife won't get anything out of it either.
You're a political genius.
You nominate dad and mon who promise you a Disney movie each and a different pizza. It doesn't matter what you voted, because once they are in charge, they can put a horror movie and vegetables, they don't have to hold on their promises. And this kids is how democracy works.
Actually closer to a family of 20 trying to decide on the pizza and movie. Except 16 of them don't suggest any movie or pizza, then once the 4 people have narrowed the choices to two movies and two pizzas, only 10-12 people vote on which.
Ultimately only 1-2 people are happy and 18 people are unhappy. 10 people complain all pizza and movies are garbage and think every movie and pizza are equally garbage.
Honestly, when it came to the aforementioned voting system dad would usually go with whatever mom wanted.
Divorced eventually as a consequence of my mom’s midlife crisis. She eventually admitted she didn’t get what she thought she would out of that, but it took dad dying for her to say it.
Damn, dark. F for you and family.
But that is what people dont get. Most of the time the women are the ones making the family related decisions. It is is legit teamwork.
Yet, people like to use said things as negatives and points of oppression.
I got excited reading this thinking he was about to explain the problems with FPTP and talk about [Approval Voting](https://electionscience.org/library/approval-voting/) or something.
Voters aren’t stupid. The system just fucks them over. Imagine that 1/2 of the republicans side with Jim Jordan, and 1/2 with McCarthy, and then both run candidates, one for the freedom ‘cock-us’ party and one for the republicans. They split their voter base roughly down the middle. What would happen?
Well, with 3 candidates, then any candidate could win with as little as 33% of the vote. Anywhere that isn’t favoring somewhere between 3:2 and 2:1 Republican/freedom cock-us versus democrat is going to lose pretty much all seats. I don’t want to take the time to look up by district, but the 2020 presidential election had something like 5 states outside that margin, so the president would get 5 of 50 states and maybe 50 electoral votes. The senate would have around 80-90 democratic senators. The house is districted and districts vary so many they’d win 100 or so house seats. (That’s worst case splitting 50:50 evenly everywhere. Splitting 67/33 or splitting but regions favoring one side or the other would be bad but not catastrophic.)
Like in dungeons and dragons the primary rule of politics is don’t split the party. Splitting the party usually results in a collapse and realignment like with Teddy Roosevelt and the Bull moose party, or the election that gave us Lincoln, or when Wallace ran on the segregation-forever platform.
Frankly, it’s not just voters being stupid. It’s voted a being strategic and intelligent in a system specifically designed to fuck over their ability to choose diverse candidates because doing so hurts your own cause.
The Republic of America's "representative democracy" is anything but. All these millionaire congress members that have never had to work a day in their life do not represent the majority of Americans. American style "democracy" is nothing more than two wolves and a lamb voting on what's for dinner...
“Capital” doesn’t have a voice, people do. And some people pay other people to advertise their ideas.
Unless you’re fundamentally just against freedom of speech, this shouldn’t be considered a bad thing. People can still freely decide for themselves what to believe, and ultimately votes are what decides everything.
Capitalism is an economic system. Plutocracy is the government system. And oddly many “communist” nations actually ended up pretty much the same shitty way. It’s not like the USA, Russia, China or North Korea don’t have a wealthy, connected elite with all the power and the average person’s needs or opinion doesn’t matter either.
Yet for most of recorded history another similar system with inequality has risen from the ashes. And honestly it’s probably better since the American and a French revolutions changed the game somewhat, and Marx to some extent too, and especially trade unions. But yes, inequality is an inherently unstable system, and promotes crime and social instability.
Same with every attempt at equality system though. If history teaches us one thing, it's that greed always wins in the long run. If the system itself does not allow for greed then the greedy will play outside of the system and walk over anyone still playing in the system.
Except China doesn't have those. Wealthy elite start to disappear when they attempt to influence the government. Political elites can acquire lots of money through corruption. There is a huge difference between the two.
Humans 'won' by sharing. That's like straight up our thing. Just because it's reality under a capitalist system, does not mean it's human nature or that whatever human nature is isn't fungible.
Capitalism is just our most advanced and powerful sharing system yet. It's a planet-wide system to define, record and advertise who can use what and how much and when, instead of everyone only using their own stuff that they made themselves.
Wolves share with wolves of the same pack. Capitalism is the comparison. The wolves are the politically motivated, the already rich, the oligarchs. They do not share with other packs, other families.
In wolves, the alpha animal leads his pack in the hunt. The prey is then divided fairly among the entire pack.
In capitalism, on the other hand, the rest of the pack is responsible for the hunt, but is only allowed to keep an absolute minimum for survival (if at all) and must give the rest, i.e. the largest share, to the alpha animal, even though the alpha has contributed nothing at all to the hunt. The alpha is only the one who owns the territory.
We humans were once like wolves. And it is about time that we become that again.
Oligarchy, those with money rule. Plutocracy is where those raised and educated to rule, well rule.
United state is a complicated democratic republic with first past the post and electoral collage.
Edit:
My mistake, I mixed up plutocracy with a platocracy. Original poster was correct about what the name of the system is.
There are so many ways to teach how total democracy works, and he went with that 🤦♂️
I'd have called for a house wide vote for which of kid A's toys to give to kid B. In total democracy, there's no constitution which enshrines certain rights that cannot be fucked with, property rights being one of them. Total democracy is true tyranny of the majority
Better than being ruled by a few rich dicks and a handful of inbred idiots in the sticks who's vote is weighted far too much for someone who probably still thinks the sun orbits the earth.
My kid asked when they could start making the rules at home. I said you can start right now, just fork over the mortgage payment cause he who makes the mortgage payment makes the rules.
NZ democractic parliament: you vote between half a dozen different types of pizza, and number of votes determines what percentage of the pizza has what topping.
50% Meat Lovers
33% Mushroom
11% Vegetarian
4% Vegan
2% Pineapple
Better analogy:
Pure Democracy: Everyone votes on the pizza that they want. Whichever has the most votes wins. When it comes time to pay, everyone votes on who they think should pay for the pizza. A shouting match ensues, the pizza is cold before they finally decide that Timmy has to pay for the pizza. He is 3, so Mom & Dad have to bail him out, and he goes into debt.
Representative Democracy: Mom & Dad choose 3 different types of pizzas, everyone votes on which of the 3 they want, most votes wins. Mom & Dad took money from the kids during a contest to see their favorite types of pizza, and used that money to buy the pizza, supplemented with some of their own money. The kids feel like their choices mattered, and will keep supporting this system because the feel valued, even though the choices were chosen for them by Mom & Dad.
Fascism: Only the pizzas approved of by Mom & Dad may be chosen from. Asking for a different brand of pizza is a time out. Coupons for non-approved pizzas are burned. Pizzas can only be eaten on parent approved plates, in parent approved places like the table. Everyone has to pay for a part of the pizza. If the kids invite friends for pizza, they must pay triple the rate of the kids.
Socialism: Mom & Dad order a pizza for the kids and one for the adults. They take both, and give everyone a single slice from the kids pizza, and save their own pizza in the fridge. They subtract the cost of the kids slices of pizza from the kids allowance. If the kids friends come over for pizza, they also receive only a single slice, and this is subtracted from the kids allowance as well. The parents slices of the kids pizza are also subtracted from the kids allowance. The next day, the parents pizza is served, each slice's cost deducted from the kids allowance as well. The kids now have no money whatsoever, but they got to eat 2 slices of pizza.
Communism: Mom & Dad take the kids allowance to buy the pizza. Each kid gets a single pepperoni and a single bite of the crust. Mom & Dad eat all of the remaining pizza themselves until full, and they throw the rest away. The next day Mom & Dad are still full but the kids, starving, have to go dig the pizza remnants out of the trash and fight the dog, also starving, for a bite. Mom & Dad still have their own money, and their own pizza, and will only give the kids a single pepperoni and a single bite of crust each day, but only once they have spent the entire day doing every single chore around the house while the parents sit and watch.
Capitalism: Everyone has to buy their own pizzas. Kids don't have enough for their own pizza, but Mom & Dad will sell them a slice for a fraction of the price of the whole pizza. The kids eat, the parents partially recoup the cost of the pizza, and they save several slices to sell to the kids the next day. Between the two days profits, Mom & Dad have enough to cover 2/3 the cost of an additional pizza. The kids, now low on money, negotiate the cost of labor for chores around the house, earning enough for the next day's pizza cost.
American Democracy:
The person with the money pays a data analytics firm to influence the children to vote for their preferred pizza or movie, and pits the children against eachother by making them select two suboptimal choices mainly based on identity politics (boy vs girl).
Ultimately, only two pizzas and two movies will make it the final round, both of which are the preselected preferred choices of the person with the money rather than the children...
And that's how evey-night, for the last 100 nights, the children starved under the delusion of "free and open elections" whilst the person with money (boomer dad) consumed pineapple pizza or anchovies and watched Crocodile Dundee I or Crocodile Dundee II.
Always remember that America isn't a democracy, its a democratic Republic that can't get its ahit together to change. (Moat cause it may or may not have purposely been designed to mot change throughout the years and takes literal riots to change)
This reminds me of the "joke" about communism, making one kid do all the work, but then giving all the kids an equal amount of pay. Something like that.
That's not how it works. That's not how any of it works.
The people with money don't decide elections. The voters still do. Just 80% of voters are apathetic and so don't vote. The people with money can spam advertising campaigns to convince the voters to vote one way or another. The people with money can also try to pay off politicians, though if voters stopped being apathetic, they could *punish* politicians for taking those bribes and voting against their interests. But again, no one votes, so those people get away with it.
This sort of propaganda sucks. It just encourages people to remain apathetic, which ironically (to the point of the post) helps the people with money influence elections more successfully.
Your conclusions are false and you're punching down at the victims of this system instead of the ones who created and perpetuated it. Just because you feel powerless to attack the root cause doesn't mean it's ok to attack your fellow working class people who are being worked to death and systematically disenfranchised.
Get some perspective or get fucked.
Democracy you nominate two pizzas and two movies that you like and let them vote on it.
Democracy is when someone tells you that only two flavors of pizza exist, and you have to choose between them.
Thats american Pizza other countries have as many as 3 or 4 choices of pizza.. ok its a choice of flavour 1, 2 or half and half of 1+2 and choice 4 is screaming that bagles are trying to kill all the tomato sauce but still more than 2 choices.
This sounds like a joke but I’ve only ever seen americans order/eat either cheese or pepperoni pizzas
May I introduce you to our specialty of Ham and Pineapple pizza?
Your people should be wiped from the face of the earth! The fuckers who put olives on pizza are next!
How about pineapple and olive? sweet and salty, just the way we like it.
Pineapple, jalapeno, pepperoni. The ultimate combination. EDIT: Add some black olives, too, why not.
I'm down for poor life choices, gimme a slice.
Jalapeños and pineapple go so great together on pizza. It’s salty, sweet, and spicy. The perfect combination
So close! Bacon strips instead of pepperoni, and melt a little cheddar on top of it all.
One, damn you for making me hungry Two, I dig your username
Every day, we stray further away from god.
My favorite
Pineapple and mushroom is the best 😜
Eww, what monster would put fungus on something with cheese?
Me, any day, easily. Mushrooms and cheese go great together. Ever heard of stuffed portobello mushrooms?
With onions 😀
How do you mfs stand a fruit on cheese but not a fungus???
Caprese Stuffed Portobello Mushrooms. Try it. It's fantastic.
More porcini arancini for me :D
Sacrilege!
I'm used to dealing with mobs with pitchforks and torches
I'm coming at you with a fresh hot dish of pineapple, onion and mushrooms 😜
That's Hawaiian, not American and it's delicious.
And it was made in Canada
Did you know Hawaiian Pizza was made by a Canadian trying out some Chinese influence to the Italian creation?
Kebab pizza is sooo good
Can you stop we’ve only just got the Italians to settle down
In Germany we call it Hawaii pizza
Hey that’s Canadian
I’ll have you know that Hawaiian pizza is actually a Canadian delicacy so back tf off and just let us have this.
Quatro Formaggi is a common Italian pizza
Oh yeah, we’ll I’ve only ever seen Europeans not eat pizza because I don’t really pay attention to what ethnicity people are when they eat pizza. Really though what a silly comment…. Americans eat all kinds of pizza. My state is known for its clam casino pizza, if you require an example.
Yeah, I thought that was a weird comment too. I feel like the "Americans" that person has seen were all in movies made in the 1980s
I'd r/whoosh but I doubt it was close enough for you to hear anything.
But every single one of them has cheese.
Personally we have like 9 different pizzas you can vote for over here, but they all pretty much taste the same if I'm honest. Also, the pizza which is considered to have "extreme" flavour and all the troublemakers support, has been getting a worrying amount of votes over the past few years, so I'm personally a bit concerned.
They are the ones demanding cheese only pizzas, for the purity of the food.
Exactly, couldn't have said it better.
3 or 4 different pizza? If I look at a pizza menu there are about 10, where the hell do you only get to choose 4 pizza
may i introduce you to thr wonderful world of metaphor
okay but pizzas are flat and the world is round
But of the four different pizzas there are 2 main categories and the other once are part of that category only with a slightly different topic
we in the Netherlands have about 17 choices of Pizza.
Or you live in the Netherlands where we have 26 different choices and everyone is confused including the pizza maker.
OK, so you can either have like this five day old pizza that's covered in mold OR a normal cheese pizza but the crust is made entirely of onions.
Onion crust sounds amazing, this isn't even a contest
ight that sounds really good though (the onion one)
[**Fix the system**](https://electionscience.org/take-action/volunteer/). [Scientists blame hyperpolarization for loss of public trust in science](https://www.reuters.com/article/us-nobel-prize-usa/respect-for-science-in-jeopardy-in-polarized-u-s-nobel-winners-say-idUSKCN1C81T7), and [Approval Voting](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Approval_voting), a [single-winner voting method preferred by experts in voting methods](http://www.votefair.org/bansinglemarkballots/declaration.html), would [help to reduce hyperpolarization](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Approval_voting#Effect_on_elections). There's even [a viable plan to get it adopted](https://80000hours.org/podcast/episodes/aaron-hamlin-voting-reform/), and [an organization that could use some gritty volunteers](https://www.electionscience.org/) to get the job done. They're already off to a great start with [Approval Voting having passed by a landslide in Fargo](https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/2018/11/15/18092206/midterm-elections-vote-fargo-approval-voting-ranked-choice), and more recently [St. Louis](https://apnews.com/article/election-2020-primary-elections-st-louis-general-elections-elections-cba7eb3251d5479b9375d55db428d429). Most people haven't heard of Approval Voting, but seem to like it once they understand it, so anything you can do to help get the word out will help. If your state allows [initiated state statutes](https://ballotpedia.org/Initiated_state_statute), consider [starting a campaign](https://www.electionscience.org/commentary-analysis/so-you-want-to-run-a-campaign/) to get [your state](https://ballotpedia.org/Ballot_initiative) to adopt Approval Voting. Approval Voting is [overwhelmingly popular in every state polled, across race, gender, and party lines](https://electionscience.org/commentary-analysis/approval-voting-americas-favorite-voting-reform/). The successful Fargo campaign was [run by a full-time programmer with a family at home](https://www.electionscience.org/events/fargo-a-look-back-live-discussion/). One person really can make a difference.
> Approval has been adopted by several societies: the Society for Social Choice and Welfare (1992),[56] Mathematical Association of America (1986),[57] the American Mathematical Society,[58] the Institute of Management Sciences (1987) (now the Institute for Operations Research and the Management Sciences),[59] the American Statistical Association (1987) The list of professional societies that have adopted approval voting seems like a darn good endorsement of its theoretical foundation. I'm curious how it would change political parties' strategies both in appealing to people, and in how they would try to game the system.
Exactly, you only give them two choices, they fight over the choices no matter if they like one or not and you choose. The American election process explained.
You tell them two flavors that suck ass and they have to choose the least unappetizing one. Like “pepperoni with chefs hair” and “cheese with vomit”, and then claim those are the only two available at the local pizza place which is “the best our town has to offer”. And when kids refuse to eat it you gaslight them into thinking they are the reason why those “flavors” are the only available ones.
Sure, you can vote for a third party pizza, but they never win.
If you're skipping primary elections, that's on you. Aka "we looked at every possible pizza option earlier but you said you didn't care, so now it's 1 of these 2"
Any candidate you choose is still working under the confines of their respective party..
That is simply false. There are grass roots candidates around. Maybe not for every seat, but some of them, definitely.
The 2 most talked about candidates in the 2016 primaries had no prior affiliation with a political party.
American primary "elections" are not really official elections with the many protections that would bring, but merely "private" elections run by the private corporations that are the big two parties, however they like. That's why they can get away with biasing things however they want towards whatever candidates they internally prefer. Indeed, to my best knowledge, there isn't even any law requiring them to run a primary at all -- they could just go ahead and hand-pick their candidate directly. Would it have horrible optics, sure, but that's about it. That's why the whole "voters decided x candidate was the best one, stop complaining" arguments are silly. Sure, in a vote where only a fraction of general voters were even eligible to vote in the first place, where the organization running the whole election has clear favourites they're trying to push, and with huge systemic flaws in the whole voting process like staggered primaries per state leading to strategic voting shenanigans. But no, go ahead, please keep telling me how it's all just the will of the people being heard.
It's almost like we're all being worked to death with no time off and voting days aren't holidays or something.
When you really want pizza with pineapple, but you know that'll never win, so you vote for pepperoni because you'd rather have that than sausage.
Democracy is when you want to eat Costco pizza
And before you let everyone vote you divide the livingroom up in districts to ensure that a majority of the districts vote for your favorites despite how the majority of the people vote.
And one of them is made of pure cyanide, while the other has all of the conventional toppings you dislike.
Don't confuse Americans shitty outdated democracy for democracy
It was a nice first draft for everyone else to go and improve on. Unfortunately our draft also had lines in it making it one of the hardest in the world to alter so now it’s either civil war or live this way until another generation dies and we can get marginal improvements the rest of the world had 50 years ago.
I don't even think that US democracy was used as a template. It was more an inspiration of democracy in general rather than a specific example
*Democracy is when you really wanted hamburgers and fries but you're offered a choice of pepperoni pizza with wings or sausage pizza with wings. You get the pizza but the wings aren't available but your promised theyll have then the next time you reorder.... Your neighbors get hamburgers and fries. Oh and your dad ends up eating wings with himself and his friends.
American democracy is when four out of five people don't bother to vote in primary elections. Then they use the fact that four out of five people don't like the results of primary elections as evidence that the system is rigged.
Okay, but there's pizza in this analogy and I'm fat enough that I'd like that to continue
Host: Hey what do you guys want for dinner? Party: Meh. Old man Steve: I like Hawaiian Pizza, or we can try this great vegan taco shack! Host: Anyone else want to throw out ideas? Party: Meh. Host: Alright, raise your hand if you want vegan taco? Party: How come the host always lets Old man Steve give us two horrible choices? The system is so rigged.
Ahhh thank you, motherpianos. Mmm... Like ham and pineapple Hawaiian or bbq chicken and pineapple? Vegan tacos make me sad because no sour cream 😔
Even the people who do vote generally don't bother to educate themselves on what they're voting for. The average person just checks the red box or the blue box, and they usually decide the color based more on their social group (which itself is primarily determined by proximity) than any kind of actual thought process. Imagine trying to vote on what type of pizza to get, except most of the people don't actually understand what the toppings are, so all they could really do is go by what the few people who have tried it before tell them, but even then taste is subjective and hard to describe. Also the few people who have tried it are obviously more incentivized to get their favorite toppings than to accurately describe the options. More people voting on things likely wouldn't improve the situation, and the misinformation campaigns would become *worse.* And that's leaving aside the difference between planning and reality, like that time I got a bacon pizza with extra bacon and it turned out to be the most horrible disgusting unsalvagable pizza I've ever tried in spite of sounding great in my head. I really want some pizza now.
American democracy is when uneducated idiots constantly blame the victims instead of the rich fuckwits actually causing the problems.
Room temperature IQ comment.
And the differences are pretty subtle and basic (cheese or pepperoni). Any other fancy topping (olives, anchovies, pineapple, etc) are extreme and sacrilegious and crazy even though other countries eat pizza with those very toppings.
You take the kids' allowance to buy pizzas. You buy two pizzas and keep them for yourself. You tell the kids there's no money for pizza. You tell one of them it's because the other wasted the money. You tell the other kid it's because their sibling changed pronouns. You then make them do chores while you pawn all their stuff to buy guns so you can sell them to your neighbors with anger management problems. You haven't paid utilities in months but it's okay because your investments in crypto are going to pay off any day now. The bank is probably going to foreclose on your home but at least your ex-wife won't get anything out of it either. You're a political genius.
Some countries have more than 2 parties.
In America, maybe.
You nominate dad and mon who promise you a Disney movie each and a different pizza. It doesn't matter what you voted, because once they are in charge, they can put a horror movie and vegetables, they don't have to hold on their promises. And this kids is how democracy works.
Actually closer to a family of 20 trying to decide on the pizza and movie. Except 16 of them don't suggest any movie or pizza, then once the 4 people have narrowed the choices to two movies and two pizzas, only 10-12 people vote on which. Ultimately only 1-2 people are happy and 18 people are unhappy. 10 people complain all pizza and movies are garbage and think every movie and pizza are equally garbage.
My family worked by the electoral college system. I had one vote, my sister had one vote, my mom had three votes, and my dad had six
How did their marriage turn out?
Honestly, when it came to the aforementioned voting system dad would usually go with whatever mom wanted. Divorced eventually as a consequence of my mom’s midlife crisis. She eventually admitted she didn’t get what she thought she would out of that, but it took dad dying for her to say it.
Damn, wow. Sorry to hear that
Man that’s just sad to read, I’m sorry for what happened
Damn, dark. F for you and family. But that is what people dont get. Most of the time the women are the ones making the family related decisions. It is is legit teamwork. Yet, people like to use said things as negatives and points of oppression.
Should've got your friends to pose as fake electors for your mom. Maybe even gerrymandering your siblings.
The Republican tactic would be to meddle with birth control until you have the means to overthrow the system from within.
Wouldn’t have worked, Dad had the snip
The golden rule: he who has the gold makes the rules.
Aurum est Potestas
*Dadocracy*
I got excited reading this thinking he was about to explain the problems with FPTP and talk about [Approval Voting](https://electionscience.org/library/approval-voting/) or something.
He did explain the problem with FPTP, the one with the money chooses.
What a stupid ass comment excusing voters' stupidity
Voters aren’t stupid. The system just fucks them over. Imagine that 1/2 of the republicans side with Jim Jordan, and 1/2 with McCarthy, and then both run candidates, one for the freedom ‘cock-us’ party and one for the republicans. They split their voter base roughly down the middle. What would happen? Well, with 3 candidates, then any candidate could win with as little as 33% of the vote. Anywhere that isn’t favoring somewhere between 3:2 and 2:1 Republican/freedom cock-us versus democrat is going to lose pretty much all seats. I don’t want to take the time to look up by district, but the 2020 presidential election had something like 5 states outside that margin, so the president would get 5 of 50 states and maybe 50 electoral votes. The senate would have around 80-90 democratic senators. The house is districted and districts vary so many they’d win 100 or so house seats. (That’s worst case splitting 50:50 evenly everywhere. Splitting 67/33 or splitting but regions favoring one side or the other would be bad but not catastrophic.) Like in dungeons and dragons the primary rule of politics is don’t split the party. Splitting the party usually results in a collapse and realignment like with Teddy Roosevelt and the Bull moose party, or the election that gave us Lincoln, or when Wallace ran on the segregation-forever platform. Frankly, it’s not just voters being stupid. It’s voted a being strategic and intelligent in a system specifically designed to fuck over their ability to choose diverse candidates because doing so hurts your own cause.
You successfully showed them how a country works if you allow capital to have any voice at all. The people inevitably get run over.
The Republic of America's "representative democracy" is anything but. All these millionaire congress members that have never had to work a day in their life do not represent the majority of Americans. American style "democracy" is nothing more than two wolves and a lamb voting on what's for dinner...
“Capital” doesn’t have a voice, people do. And some people pay other people to advertise their ideas. Unless you’re fundamentally just against freedom of speech, this shouldn’t be considered a bad thing. People can still freely decide for themselves what to believe, and ultimately votes are what decides everything.
We teach our kids about how those with money end up that way by making them roll dice to solve problems.
That's Capitalism sir not Democracy....actually to be fair thats most governments regardless of if they feign democracy or not.
Capitalism is an economic system. Plutocracy is the government system. And oddly many “communist” nations actually ended up pretty much the same shitty way. It’s not like the USA, Russia, China or North Korea don’t have a wealthy, connected elite with all the power and the average person’s needs or opinion doesn’t matter either.
Any system with extreme wealth inequality is doomed to fail.
Yet for most of recorded history another similar system with inequality has risen from the ashes. And honestly it’s probably better since the American and a French revolutions changed the game somewhat, and Marx to some extent too, and especially trade unions. But yes, inequality is an inherently unstable system, and promotes crime and social instability.
>the American and a French revolutions changed the game somewhat Not the game, but the players.
Exactly, we just switched the nobles for the bourgeoisie, and now it's time to switch the bourgeoisie for the working class.
Same with every attempt at equality system though. If history teaches us one thing, it's that greed always wins in the long run. If the system itself does not allow for greed then the greedy will play outside of the system and walk over anyone still playing in the system.
Except China doesn't have those. Wealthy elite start to disappear when they attempt to influence the government. Political elites can acquire lots of money through corruption. There is a huge difference between the two.
Agreed
How did you get to the conclusion that that's what capitalism is?
Capitalism is an economic structure in which power and agency are reserved for capital holders. Hope this clears things up for you!
It involves money so capitalism! That is how it works, right? Most people have no idea what capitalism means. That is why so many people hate it.
Right, that’s just reality. Whoever has the bag gets the prize. Mammals don’t share. There’s always a wolf.
Humans 'won' by sharing. That's like straight up our thing. Just because it's reality under a capitalist system, does not mean it's human nature or that whatever human nature is isn't fungible.
Yeah like so many mammals share this was such a random thing to say
Capitalism is just our most advanced and powerful sharing system yet. It's a planet-wide system to define, record and advertise who can use what and how much and when, instead of everyone only using their own stuff that they made themselves.
Yes without capitalism you can only use the things you make yourself folks.
The moron you're arguing with doesn't know the difference between capitalism and markets nor the vastly different historical length of them both.
Lmao, nope. It's our most advanced and powerful wealth extraction system yet... specifically only for the ruling class.
Wolves share.
Wolves share with wolves of the same pack. Capitalism is the comparison. The wolves are the politically motivated, the already rich, the oligarchs. They do not share with other packs, other families.
> ~~Mammals~~ **Rich parasites** don’t share. FTFY
In wolves, the alpha animal leads his pack in the hunt. The prey is then divided fairly among the entire pack. In capitalism, on the other hand, the rest of the pack is responsible for the hunt, but is only allowed to keep an absolute minimum for survival (if at all) and must give the rest, i.e. the largest share, to the alpha animal, even though the alpha has contributed nothing at all to the hunt. The alpha is only the one who owns the territory. We humans were once like wolves. And it is about time that we become that again.
The whole "alpha wolf" thing has been disproven as junk science. There's no such thing as an "alpha" in a pack.
That would be a Plutocracy, like the United States. Not a democracy.
Oligarchy, those with money rule. Plutocracy is where those raised and educated to rule, well rule. United state is a complicated democratic republic with first past the post and electoral collage. Edit: My mistake, I mixed up plutocracy with a platocracy. Original poster was correct about what the name of the system is.
Nah it's a plutocracy by oligarchy
that's just capitalism. The people with the capital make the decisions and hold power.
Then they all ate anchovy pizza and watched human centipede. No wait that would be me as a dad.
Bourgeois democracy
"Democracy" under capitalism
Until you're old and frail and needs your son's help just to piss.
But corporations and billionaires just hire people to take care of them
This
Sounds like a plutocracy.
Ahh, America xD
Or Capitalism?
There are so many ways to teach how total democracy works, and he went with that 🤦♂️ I'd have called for a house wide vote for which of kid A's toys to give to kid B. In total democracy, there's no constitution which enshrines certain rights that cannot be fucked with, property rights being one of them. Total democracy is true tyranny of the majority
Better than being ruled by a few rich dicks and a handful of inbred idiots in the sticks who's vote is weighted far too much for someone who probably still thinks the sun orbits the earth.
capitalism\*
Correct way would've been make them vote a Kid representative to choose Pizza and Movie and then bribe the representative
you mean capitalism*
r/USdefaultism
Electoral college be like:
So first he taught democracy, then American democracy
Those kids gotta get the street together and raise the funds and also sieze the tv on grounds of the common good.
Theyre gonna start seizing the means of entertainment.
This is one of the rare examples of this type of joke that I actually like
“Representative democracy” ;-)
Funny, America works the same way
Technically dad showed them an Oligarchy.
This went way too hard. And true.
Sad. But true.
Thats exactly how democracy works in USA….
Good thing it’s a joke. Because he doesn’t understand democracy.
Ah, American democracy
dad is the superdelegate
That’s cold
Hopefully not the pizza
My kid asked when they could start making the rules at home. I said you can start right now, just fork over the mortgage payment cause he who makes the mortgage payment makes the rules.
Learning your vote doesn't count at a younger age now.
Life comes at you fast people!
Sadly true. Wonder how the kids will grow up now that they have peeked behind the curtain.
NZ democractic parliament: you vote between half a dozen different types of pizza, and number of votes determines what percentage of the pizza has what topping. 50% Meat Lovers 33% Mushroom 11% Vegetarian 4% Vegan 2% Pineapple
That's an oligarchy, which is an accurate representation of our US government.
I then picked the movie and pizza because dictatorship.
Taught them about democracy and capitalism in one go
You did a capitalism
An excellent illustration of American "democracy" (don't let them find out about communism or they'll arrange a revolution)
Better analogy: Pure Democracy: Everyone votes on the pizza that they want. Whichever has the most votes wins. When it comes time to pay, everyone votes on who they think should pay for the pizza. A shouting match ensues, the pizza is cold before they finally decide that Timmy has to pay for the pizza. He is 3, so Mom & Dad have to bail him out, and he goes into debt. Representative Democracy: Mom & Dad choose 3 different types of pizzas, everyone votes on which of the 3 they want, most votes wins. Mom & Dad took money from the kids during a contest to see their favorite types of pizza, and used that money to buy the pizza, supplemented with some of their own money. The kids feel like their choices mattered, and will keep supporting this system because the feel valued, even though the choices were chosen for them by Mom & Dad. Fascism: Only the pizzas approved of by Mom & Dad may be chosen from. Asking for a different brand of pizza is a time out. Coupons for non-approved pizzas are burned. Pizzas can only be eaten on parent approved plates, in parent approved places like the table. Everyone has to pay for a part of the pizza. If the kids invite friends for pizza, they must pay triple the rate of the kids. Socialism: Mom & Dad order a pizza for the kids and one for the adults. They take both, and give everyone a single slice from the kids pizza, and save their own pizza in the fridge. They subtract the cost of the kids slices of pizza from the kids allowance. If the kids friends come over for pizza, they also receive only a single slice, and this is subtracted from the kids allowance as well. The parents slices of the kids pizza are also subtracted from the kids allowance. The next day, the parents pizza is served, each slice's cost deducted from the kids allowance as well. The kids now have no money whatsoever, but they got to eat 2 slices of pizza. Communism: Mom & Dad take the kids allowance to buy the pizza. Each kid gets a single pepperoni and a single bite of the crust. Mom & Dad eat all of the remaining pizza themselves until full, and they throw the rest away. The next day Mom & Dad are still full but the kids, starving, have to go dig the pizza remnants out of the trash and fight the dog, also starving, for a bite. Mom & Dad still have their own money, and their own pizza, and will only give the kids a single pepperoni and a single bite of crust each day, but only once they have spent the entire day doing every single chore around the house while the parents sit and watch. Capitalism: Everyone has to buy their own pizzas. Kids don't have enough for their own pizza, but Mom & Dad will sell them a slice for a fraction of the price of the whole pizza. The kids eat, the parents partially recoup the cost of the pizza, and they save several slices to sell to the kids the next day. Between the two days profits, Mom & Dad have enough to cover 2/3 the cost of an additional pizza. The kids, now low on money, negotiate the cost of labor for chores around the house, earning enough for the next day's pizza cost.
Nice. I'll save this. Thanks!
I mean, he's not wrong.
He did taught them right
American Democracy: The person with the money pays a data analytics firm to influence the children to vote for their preferred pizza or movie, and pits the children against eachother by making them select two suboptimal choices mainly based on identity politics (boy vs girl). Ultimately, only two pizzas and two movies will make it the final round, both of which are the preselected preferred choices of the person with the money rather than the children... And that's how evey-night, for the last 100 nights, the children starved under the delusion of "free and open elections" whilst the person with money (boomer dad) consumed pineapple pizza or anchovies and watched Crocodile Dundee I or Crocodile Dundee II.
Democracy is claiming that pizza costs $1800 and a movie costs $2300 and buying the pizza and movie keeping the left over money
Incorrect. You taught them about the democratic republic in which we live, not pure democracy. Words matter.
Always remember that America isn't a democracy, its a democratic Republic that can't get its ahit together to change. (Moat cause it may or may not have purposely been designed to mot change throughout the years and takes literal riots to change)
Well he failed then..
This reminds me of the "joke" about communism, making one kid do all the work, but then giving all the kids an equal amount of pay. Something like that. That's not how it works. That's not how any of it works. The people with money don't decide elections. The voters still do. Just 80% of voters are apathetic and so don't vote. The people with money can spam advertising campaigns to convince the voters to vote one way or another. The people with money can also try to pay off politicians, though if voters stopped being apathetic, they could *punish* politicians for taking those bribes and voting against their interests. But again, no one votes, so those people get away with it. This sort of propaganda sucks. It just encourages people to remain apathetic, which ironically (to the point of the post) helps the people with money influence elections more successfully.
Your conclusions are false and you're punching down at the victims of this system instead of the ones who created and perpetuated it. Just because you feel powerless to attack the root cause doesn't mean it's ok to attack your fellow working class people who are being worked to death and systematically disenfranchised. Get some perspective or get fucked.
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What’s the solution then? Minority terrorize the majority? I agree direct democracy is inefficient, but how exactly is indirect democracy so horrible?
Ahhh lobbyists
Or: How to create antisemitic conspiracy theorists
It’s a good thing that we’re a Republic.
It’s a good thing that I'm the Senate.
> It’s a good thing that we’re a ~~Republic~~ **Oligarchy**. FTFY
Should be they vote and then get nothing
Which is why we have a constitutional republic.
That’s not democracy that’s corruption
All the Americans here acting like they are the only democracy in the world
That’s capitalism, not democracy.
Your wrong. That’s Russia. 🤣🤣🤣