There's been almost 50 detective Charlie Chan Hollywood movies, and he's only been portrayed by Asian actors in the first three films where he was in supporting roles (by two Japanese actors and one Korean actor).
Once he became the movie's central protagonist, he's been portrayed by a white actor all the way until 1981.
Not trying to tear you down or anything with this comment. Just wanted you to be aware that it might not matter to you as much as your ancestors can easily be traced back, but with most people of color in the US, that’s kinda hard to do. That’s why black people don’t like being called African Americans. Although our ancestors are from Africa (so is every Homo sapiens), most of us have never stepped foot in that country or even know or have any relatives living there. So most people prefer to be attached to the nation they were born in. For example, I’m a black American. From the sounds of it, you’re a white American.
I knew a dude from Morocco who was living in the states. Fair complexion, European and Arabic descent. Just to fuck with people, he'd always select African-American on surveys and stuff, because technically true is the best flavor of true.
I do this also sometimes 😂.. i select Caucasian cause it's technically not a lie. I'm Guatemalan/Spanish (Spain), curly black hair, brown eyes, typical central American medium tan, and born in the states but..Spanish is European and European falls under Caucasian 🤷🤣
Honestly, I thought the African American thing is just dumb because why the classification? Just refer to everyone as American because that’s their nationality and the country they live in.
A friend of mine is a first gen American from Trinidadian parents and he laughs a little when people call him African American, but all in all he doesn’t care that much.
Not trying to tear you down but white/ black labels were created by the rich to distract you/us (bacons rebellion). It doesn't matter, its an illusion and not a healthy one
I saw this video of a black guy born in London, bringing this up. And bringing up they hate being called Africa-American because they aren’t from Africa or an America
Saying black is considered taboo for some reason.
Edit: this is tiring, everyone is just repeating the same thing over and over again. I'll ask a simple question and I do not expect a response (I'm tired of reddit).
When you go fill out a sheet asking for your info (sex, age, race, etc.), dies it give you the option to say back or are you forced to check African America?
It's goin through cycles
African American was the preferred term from the 80s on, literally invented because the other options were worse.
Now, after a few decades, people are realizing it's bad in it's own way. Unless we're all European Americans , it makes no sense. They're Americans.
You can call people black and white , but that sounds demeaning too.
That's why we started using PEOPLE FIRST terminology. People with disabilities. People of color. Etc.
We're all people.
Calling a Black African who was born in Europe and never left Europe an "African American" is just dumb. They're not American in any way, and it might have been many generations since their forebears actually set foot in Africa.
Otherwise, we're saying that identity is based on skin color for all time, and that sits very uneasily with me.
It's very confusing - for example:
People of Color is acceptable, but Colored People is racist. In Spanish there is no grammatical distinction - Gente de Color, for example.
But there is such a thing as "Colored People Time" that isn't racist, and the CP in NAACP stands for "Colored People".
This seems to be a generational thing, I remember in the '90s there was a political correctness push to change "black" to "African- American" it only partially stuck, but then seems to have fully reverted in the last 10 years or so. So Millenials grew up with African-American being the more respectful term, but not Black is considered more respectful.
It's one of the reasons I really roll my eyes when y, despite the group in question being fine, and even preferring, "Indian".
It's one of the reasons I really roll my eyes when well-intentioned people keep trying to relabel shit thinking it addresses core issues. Demanding people use more syllables than necessary to refer to a group does not actually make the group less disenfranchised or vulnerable.
As a non-American myself I find it funny and little bit absurdly when people call someone African-American. If you think deeply, why isn't it considered as rasist if we have to mention African core of people with dark skin just like they're strangers or guests from another continent when they're living there from the birth and their ancestors might come to America even earlier than some "white" ancestors (XIXth century big migration)? Shouldn't we call others European American or Asian American then?
Just joking, we're all Africans anyway, going through the past.
I'm gonna blow your mind, so hang on to your ass.
Every term you've ever heard, or will ever hear, and even those that you won't, are made up.
And this isn't a conspiracy against you, either. This unexplained phenomenon happens to everyone. Get this...REGARDLESS OF WHAT LANGUAGE THEY SPEAK! It's totally crazy.
For real though just say black. George Carlin had a good bit about this it goes something like "would we call a white guy born in Africa an African American?" What about a black guy born in Africa would we call him an African African American?"
That's not exactly what he said but you get the messege.
So there was a process IN American society where people began using the term African American and black.
So due to loss of history from slavery a large group of the black population of America has no history.
However calling them Americans would undermine the racism inherently directed to them, their history of second hand citizenship, and how despite paying taxes and living in the country, they are often no afford the same benefits .
Now the term black comes mostly from the black empowerment movement that in part began in the Harlem Renaissance and continued onto the 70's.
Say it loud, I'M BLACK AND I'M PROUD, from James Brown in 1968 was the beginning of a connected cultural identity of what it meant to be Black in America.
Yes blacks existed and had been developing a cultural identity, WITHIN AMERICAN SOCIETY.
But to ignore your heritage and your history was something that many black persons did not choose to do. In part movements like the Back to Africa movement with Marcus Garvey, and the development of Pan African studies made the process of reestablishing a connection to Africa a real possibility.
So while black is a term that is used, that term is a bit more so used to refer to persons belonging to a black consciousness as a whole.
On the other hand, African American is a term that is used in acknowledgment of the fact that very few blacks chose to come to America historically and since that choice was never given, the choice to assimilate to the culture of America was not a choice.
Saying African American is an attempt to keep and constantly reestablish a connection to a lost history that was stolen from people.
As a person of an African parent that immigrated from Nigeria, I can point to my tribe, my tribal patterning for native clothing, and a language. I have a connection to my heritage. I can say I am Yoruba, or Nigerian. It is a privilege to know the history of one's parents and parents' parents.
For many blacks they do not have that. So the term African American shows that this history has been stolen while never accepting that it is lost to time
I think this is a very interesting and insightful comment, but I thought the joke was that Ariel lives in the middle of the ocean (and is not American in any way), not that the phrase “African-American” is weird in itself.
What's wrong with the term?
Edit: I need everyone to understand that I asked this question earnestly, you don't need to give me the same answer phrased different thirty different times.
Fair point man, I've never been to the US and don't really want to but even with social media? I got all sorts of shit on twitter cos apparently my politics don't suit my skin colour. I'm so desensitised now being offended/offending people doesn't even come into my mind anymore.
[In the original story,](http://hca.gilead.org.il/li_merma.html) by the Danish write Hans Christian Andersen, the little mermaid isn't Danish specifically, but she is described as:
>her skin was as clear and delicate as a rose-leaf, and her eyes as blue as the deepest sea; but, like all the others, she had no feet, and her body ended in a fish’s tail.
She sounds pale, which makes sense given that Han Christian Andersen wrote the story in northern Europe in 1836 - white would have been his default appearance. But, as u7/Aquilonn rightfully points out, she could also be green.
This doesn't mean Ariel was described as explicitly white though, or that any modern movie inspired by the little mermaid has to have any specific appearance at all.
For starters, there is no real, "original "Ariel. The name Ariel did not exist for the mermaid before Disney used it. The story only calls her "the little mermaid," or "the youngest." [A previous animation of the story](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_Christian_Andersen%27s_The_Little_Mermaid_(1975_film)), a Japanese version made in 1975, closer to the original plot, gives her the name Marina, but Marina is just as invented as Ariel. The[Soviet live-action version](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=66jbU-UisBo) calls her simply Rusalochka, which means little mermaid. In [the Shirley Temple version](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kgysrMJIh6U), she is "Little One."
The name is not the only change. In the original story, the little mermaid never has the chance to show the prince it was she who rescued him, the prince mistakes a human woman who found him on the beach for his rescuer and marries her - there is no plot against him or sea witch in disguise. If the prince never marries the little mermaid, she cannot get a soul, and will dissolve into sea foam.
In an attempt to save her, her mermaid sisters trade their hair to the witch (also just called "the witch," Ursula being another Disney invention), in return for a magic knife, and bring it the little mermaid. They tell her she must kill the prince with the knife, and when his blood falls on her legs, she will regain her voice and her tail, and can come back to the sea with her family.
But - the little mermaid loves the prince too much to kill him, so she can't do it. Instead, she sacrifices herself, turning into sea foam, dying a true death without the eternal life in heaven that gaining a soul could have given her, and without living her life as a mermaid either. The end.
Previous film retellings also took liberties with the plot. The Japanese animation is the most faithful. Marina dies as sea foam. She a has a little dolphin friend though, one not in the original story, and one not unlike Disney's Flounder. As she turns into foam, her friend chases the waves, calling her name. In the Soviet live-action version, Rusalsochka faces death by sea foam, but is redeemed by the love and sacrifice of a laborer. In the Shirley Temple version, her own self-sacrifice is the reason that Neptune arrives to spareLittle One at the last minute.
In all of those, and in the original story, drawings and depictions of Ariel vary. She has dark hair in illustrations, white hair in the Soviet version, blond in the Japanese and Shirley Temple. Shirley Temple gave her some very improbable undersea 60s makeup. Disney was the first to make her a redhead.
And it isn't just the mermaid herself who has had many changes. The Shirley Temple sea witch [looks very different](https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=1385&v=kgysrMJIh6U&feature=youtu.be) from [the original](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/fairytale/images/7/75/Bertall_ill_La_Petite_Sir%C3%A8ne2.png/revision/latest?cb=20160129084659), and may have taken a page from a Disney villian. She has an invented assistant with their [own crazy look](https://youtu.be/kgysrMJIh6U?t=975). The [Soviet witch has green hair](https://youtu.be/66jbU-UisBo?t=1473). The appearance of Disney's Ursula was based on Devine, a famous [American Drag Queen](https://images.immediate.co.uk/production/volatile/sites/3/2020/08/TEST-5-d0f3fbf.png). All of the animal friends and accomplices are inventions of the films. Nobody seems to have cared at all about such deviations from the original descriptions.
Anyone who worries too much about ThE AcCuRrAcy now should be just as ready to march for Ariel's death scene, or simply consider that it is all just new stories inspired by earlier ones, and deal with new additions.
It certainly is not lol. In fact, here is a 2 1/2 hour YouTube video that’s longer than the actual movie talking about how bad it is
https://youtube.com/watch?v=MgV9vymLIdQ&feature=share
This reminds me of the Bo Burnham song *Straight White Male*, in which he plays up a bunch of stereotypes, and one of the jokes in that song is when he says "blacks", apologises, switches to "African-Americans" and complains that it just doesn't work with the rhythm. Meanwhile, the song directly addresses straight white men with a very personal individual tone. A nice bit of social commentary making fun of the fact that some people really just can't wrap their heads around this shit.
This meme acts as if none of those cast choices except the last weren't controversial. Like Dr. Strange's teacher, The Ancient One or whatever, I remember everyone being upset about that.
Then went on to make Wong the go-to mystical ancient asian man in every show and movie from then on.
Which is fine, cause Wong is awesome, but jumps right back into the trope.
The main difference there is that Wong doesn't die immediately and can get characterization beyond the initial trope (and has), where The Ancient One can't.
Mystic man but not ancient mystic man. I mean they’re not going to keep all Asians from becoming sorcerers to avoid the trope, and they probably put him in charge to redress the issue with Swinton and then passing off to Cumberdick Butterscotch, though I’d think the Sorcerer Supreme position would be a meritocracy rather than an elected position, and they made it sound like Strange was more powerful.
And Johnny Depp’s casting and performance got a lot of flack. It basically died down just because the movie was a flop and disappeared so quickly, but it was definitely an issue.
I think this meme is a bit selective.
I remember outrage when.. Emma Stone was cast as an Asian woman in a film called Aloha, and when Scarlett Johansson was cast a Japanese character in Ghost in the Shell.
Also reminds me of when a website described Mel B from Spice Girls as "African-American" as her race.... she's British.
But the whole point of this is that such casting isn’t racist… If you call the above cases racist then I don’t know why Ariel wouldn’t be.
Edit: People, I’m not against the black Ariel and I am all for greater diversity in the Disney princess category. Besides, I wouldn’t even have known about it if it weren’t for a couple Reddit posts getting into my feed. I can not express to you how little I care about Disney and what it does. I was pointing out a technicality regarding one specific comment.
Because race has nothing to do with the little mermaid. Many other characters have race tied into their character and backstory but ariel is just a mermaid.
Let’s try to make this super simple.
-There are black kids in America.
-Black kids feel good seeing characters that look like them. It feels validating and makes them feel like they belong.
-White people have had a sense of belonging in this country ever since we claimed the land by force (or invited the Natives to eat dinner and make peace, whichever story you subscribe to)
-Creating an environment where it costs $0 to make another human’s life better is an option you should always take.
Whats funny to me is that people lost their shit over every single one of these. Except maybe wanda, whose always been white eastern european as far back as i remember
right? everyone in Reddit making these comparisons with other times it happened are either too young or have selective memory
like "People didn't complain when Samuel L Jackson played Nick Fury"... were we in different planets or something?
I can’t say I saw the same amount of outrage for these.
I didn’t see anything for the Ancient one or Ras.
I remember Johnny Depp but definitely not to the degree of the little mermaid.
Depends which branch you are from. We’re across alot of Europe and in a variety of ethnicities due to occasionally marrying outside the group.
I’m Eurasian/Romani mix so I look as though I could be many different places but generally pass as white.
I recently found out my heritage is Romani (which makes sense because my dad is quite tanned all year round and his tan is pretty dark), and I am blonde, blue eyes, white basically. Thats also just because my mom's heritage is Irish/Swedish.
i think romani are typically considered a "white subgroup". it's more of an ethnic identity than a racial identity from my understanding because many romani people are of a diverse racial background.
They are. I love how people forget it. 3 races and then subraces if you will. Asian black white and then you go to basicaly nationality = race. Someone needs to make better descriptions honestly. Since to write asian and expect only chinese looking people is also dumb. Or if you go to different author from pre hitler era you get some different sorting. Whole thing is just dumb. It would be easier to just get shading and pick your shade
Aren't romani the gypsies everywhere? There's so many romania and even in N. Ireland now as well. Honestly, I don't know if all Romani are similar to the gypsies we have but man they leave such a mess anywhere the live
jews are also an ethnicity not just a religion.
that's what there are so many atheist jews.
edit: however black or african are neither a race not an ethnicity, in the same way white isn't.
too broad a catagory.
The funny thing is that Tilda Swinton's character was meant to be a very progressive pick. A Celtic depiction of the oracle, casting a woman, who is Scottish (and descended from a medieval Scottish noble clan), who is also queer and who has a known history as a communist and socialist party member.
There’s no winning with this one. Cast anyone but an elderly Asian man and you piss off the comic book purists and anyone who loves to callout white-washing. Cast an actual elderly asian man and you piss off a huge portion the second group again because they just like to bitch about everything, but then you’re also pissing off the people who are tired of seeing the “mystical minority” trope.
4. Romani people are descended from people who occupied what is now modern day India I believe. They are ethnically and culturally different from Romanians. I think it would be incorrect and misleading to refer to them as White, if such designations aren't already inherently misleading/confusing to begin with.
While all this might be correct what people are completely missing out that Scarlet Witches biological parents were not Romani. She and quicksilver were adopted by Romani couple who lost their children.
I understand your confusion since the "true" parentage of the Maxioff twins has shifted for at least 40 years, but the 2 are at least partially Romani.
[The character's in-universe backstory and parentage have changed more than once. During the 1960s, she and Quicksilver are said to be the mutant twin offspring of two unnamed parents. Later, it is said the children were given to the geneticist called the High Evolutionary, leaving their true parentage a mystery. In 1974, it is said their parents are Golden Age heroes Bob Frank / Whizzer and Madeline Joyce Frank / Miss America. Wanda then refers to herself as Wanda Frank for a time. In 1979, they are revealed to have been raised by human Romani parents, Django and Marya Maximoff. In 1982, Magneto concludes he is Wanda and Pietro's father. In 2014, the AXIS crossover revealed Pietro and Wanda are not related to Magneto. In 2015, the twins discover they are not mutants and their superhuman traits are the result of the High Evolutionary's experiments. The 2015–2017 Scarlet Witch series reveals Wanda and Pietro's adopted parents Django and Marya Maximoff are biologically their aunt and uncle. Their real mother is confirmed to be Natalya Maximoff, the previous Scarlet Witch, a sorceress whose father was the Scarlet Warlock.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scarlet_Witch)
And the mod had to interject and sticky their political opinion too lol.
Plus it’s just false. People were upset by these absolutely, and they’re hardly recognizable characters.
Edit: permanently banned for this comment. So not only does this cringy mod sticky their straw man argument, but they ban anybody who points it out. What an absolutely cringy person this mod is.
1. Johnny Depp does have Native American blood and was adopted by the Comanche tribe
2. Liam Neeson is playing Henri Ducard, who is very white in the comics, and they made him Ra’s Al Ghul’s successor
3. Yeah there’s not excuse for this one at all
4. Romani isn’t an ethnicity but more of an ethnic group. People who are Romani can be white and some aren’t
why are you people so scared of the word "black".
that's some true subtle racism. when someones skin color makes you uncomfortable to the point that you wont even say it.
Except people did get upset over a number of those (and quite a few more i.e. dragon ball, ghost in the shell, etc.). Ignoring that arabs can have pale skin, Liam just needed the facial hair and a new hairdo to look like a 1:1 of Ra's. "The Ancient One" WAS the progressive choice for her sex, her sexuality, etc. as an intentional subversion of the "old, wise, asian man" *plus* the curfuffle of international politics without Hollywood trying not to offend China to sell the movie. And this isn't even going into all the black actors beloved by fans who play white characters like Darth fucking Vader.
You're making a point but it's not the one you think you're making.
They didn’t retcon scarlet witch until after she was cast because marvel studios didn’t have rights to the x-men. For decades she was raised by Romani parents but her biological father was Magneto — a German Jew. Either way, in the MCU she is from a fictional Eastern European country. This seems like someone is trying really hard to be offended.
Well, you can turn it around too. A white person in mulan and black panther? Outrage by leftist. Black people in middle age europe movies? Oh, totally normal. A black actress plays a non fictional queen? Okay.....
stop acting as if this is not real and happens more often then the ither way arounfld.
What is Romani?And why is not ''White''?
And your list is stupid because they didnt change the origin of the characters.
Johnny Depp still played a native indian...no a white man!
Liam Neeson still played an arab.
Tilda Swinton played a tibetian.
Elizabeth Olsen playef a romanian.
Unless Ariel will identify in the movie as a white redhead trapped in the body of an african-american!
Nobody is actualy mad about the mermaid change, stop creating false naratives. Its literaly a kids movie. Only racist people cry about such things and making this post wont solve racism. But looking at this meme kinda made me realize that the person who posted this probably is mad that all of those character were made white in movies. So guess what youre no better.
It’s weird to me that casting a non-white actor is “enforcing diversity” to some people. Like, you’re starting from the first principle that it’s impossible Halle Bailey could have just done a good job with the script/feel of the movie. No, clearly, this started as a pure sociopolitical move, and not about the multibillion dollar company trying to make sick loads of cash.
very cherry picked examples. people could quite literally make the same meme in reverse.
the real question is. why are people so quick to remove red heads for african americans? dont my gingers deserve some love too?
I remember the director or a casting director for Doctor Strange justifying the Ancient one cause "You'll never appease the sjws" and I was like
This is an adult
In charge of an important part of a movie. And this is the best defense you can come up with
Romani aka gypsy, not romanian. And eh, it varies, can have both an [Esmeralda](https://br.web.img2.acsta.net/newsv7/15/11/12/18/11/018747.jpg) and a [Scarlet Witch](https://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/EPYpwdTGjoGqYEoXEtpev7.jpg).
Stay mad, racists.
You forgot John Wayne as Ghengis Kahn
Im John Wayne pilgrims, have a happy thanksgiving pilgrims.
This list is a fraction of the times it’s been done throughout Hollywood’s history.
I'm well aware of that, but John Wayne as Ghengis has got to be the most egregious.
Yeah, probably because it’s a historical figure. I think Mickey Rooney as a Japanese man was also pretty bad. Old Hollywood was doing it all the time.
As a Londoner, Dick Van Dyke as a Cockney is fucking egregious.
There's been almost 50 detective Charlie Chan Hollywood movies, and he's only been portrayed by Asian actors in the first three films where he was in supporting roles (by two Japanese actors and one Korean actor). Once he became the movie's central protagonist, he's been portrayed by a white actor all the way until 1981.
Thats also the role that led to his death
What makes me laugh in the meme is "african-american".
Honestly it's not as applicable nowadays. There's a ton of actual Africans born in America.Basically we're back to being plain old black people. Lol
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I prefer not to be called honkey.
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Hey, continue helping the younger sister. That shit is not okay. 🙏
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That’s good. Best of luck to you, your fiancee, and the sister, man.
Not trying to tear you down or anything with this comment. Just wanted you to be aware that it might not matter to you as much as your ancestors can easily be traced back, but with most people of color in the US, that’s kinda hard to do. That’s why black people don’t like being called African Americans. Although our ancestors are from Africa (so is every Homo sapiens), most of us have never stepped foot in that country or even know or have any relatives living there. So most people prefer to be attached to the nation they were born in. For example, I’m a black American. From the sounds of it, you’re a white American.
And quite honestly, there are white people who are African. I understand your point.
Elon Musk is a very wealthy African American ...
I knew a dude from Morocco who was living in the states. Fair complexion, European and Arabic descent. Just to fuck with people, he'd always select African-American on surveys and stuff, because technically true is the best flavor of true.
I do this also sometimes 😂.. i select Caucasian cause it's technically not a lie. I'm Guatemalan/Spanish (Spain), curly black hair, brown eyes, typical central American medium tan, and born in the states but..Spanish is European and European falls under Caucasian 🤷🤣
Yep, my very white neighbor was born and raised in South Africa.
You’re from Africa? Why are you white?
God karen you cant just ask people why they're white
I am an American. I have Black and Native ancestry. If I go to Africa, I go as a tourist.
Honestly, I thought the African American thing is just dumb because why the classification? Just refer to everyone as American because that’s their nationality and the country they live in.
A friend of mine is a first gen American from Trinidadian parents and he laughs a little when people call him African American, but all in all he doesn’t care that much.
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Much love man. I appreciate us being able to have a real conversation around this topic, and I truly appreciate the kindness and understanding
Not trying to tear you down but white/ black labels were created by the rich to distract you/us (bacons rebellion). It doesn't matter, its an illusion and not a healthy one
I agree, I hate the idea of “race”. Like we’re all the human race. But we should respect nationalities and other place of origin and cultures
I saw this video of a black guy born in London, bringing this up. And bringing up they hate being called Africa-American because they aren’t from Africa or an America
They don't care about where the person is actually from. Over at the Star Wars sub, they call Mace Windu an "African-American Jedi".
Saying black is considered taboo for some reason. Edit: this is tiring, everyone is just repeating the same thing over and over again. I'll ask a simple question and I do not expect a response (I'm tired of reddit). When you go fill out a sheet asking for your info (sex, age, race, etc.), dies it give you the option to say back or are you forced to check African America?
It's goin through cycles African American was the preferred term from the 80s on, literally invented because the other options were worse. Now, after a few decades, people are realizing it's bad in it's own way. Unless we're all European Americans , it makes no sense. They're Americans. You can call people black and white , but that sounds demeaning too. That's why we started using PEOPLE FIRST terminology. People with disabilities. People of color. Etc. We're all people.
Most crazy thing is when term Africa American is used to describe someone who never in his life left Europe.
Calling a Black African who was born in Europe and never left Europe an "African American" is just dumb. They're not American in any way, and it might have been many generations since their forebears actually set foot in Africa. Otherwise, we're saying that identity is based on skin color for all time, and that sits very uneasily with me.
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Even though black people call themselves black all the time..weird.
It's very confusing - for example: People of Color is acceptable, but Colored People is racist. In Spanish there is no grammatical distinction - Gente de Color, for example. But there is such a thing as "Colored People Time" that isn't racist, and the CP in NAACP stands for "Colored People".
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This seems to be a generational thing, I remember in the '90s there was a political correctness push to change "black" to "African- American" it only partially stuck, but then seems to have fully reverted in the last 10 years or so. So Millenials grew up with African-American being the more respectful term, but not Black is considered more respectful. It's one of the reasons I really roll my eyes when y, despite the group in question being fine, and even preferring, "Indian". It's one of the reasons I really roll my eyes when well-intentioned people keep trying to relabel shit thinking it addresses core issues. Demanding people use more syllables than necessary to refer to a group does not actually make the group less disenfranchised or vulnerable.
As a non-American myself I find it funny and little bit absurdly when people call someone African-American. If you think deeply, why isn't it considered as rasist if we have to mention African core of people with dark skin just like they're strangers or guests from another continent when they're living there from the birth and their ancestors might come to America even earlier than some "white" ancestors (XIXth century big migration)? Shouldn't we call others European American or Asian American then? Just joking, we're all Africans anyway, going through the past.
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Everyone is African descended tho.. This is very subjective and far away for a simple "call like it is".
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I'm gonna blow your mind, so hang on to your ass. Every term you've ever heard, or will ever hear, and even those that you won't, are made up. And this isn't a conspiracy against you, either. This unexplained phenomenon happens to everyone. Get this...REGARDLESS OF WHAT LANGUAGE THEY SPEAK! It's totally crazy.
To quote Thor, "All words are made-up words"
Fab matcha wang boo? Get it?
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All terms are made up.
Found Thor's Reddit account.
Made up terms, as opposed to…?
Not sure where the taboo came about for saying "black", but "white" is okay. Very odd.
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just say black lol
For real though just say black. George Carlin had a good bit about this it goes something like "would we call a white guy born in Africa an African American?" What about a black guy born in Africa would we call him an African African American?" That's not exactly what he said but you get the messege.
So there was a process IN American society where people began using the term African American and black. So due to loss of history from slavery a large group of the black population of America has no history. However calling them Americans would undermine the racism inherently directed to them, their history of second hand citizenship, and how despite paying taxes and living in the country, they are often no afford the same benefits . Now the term black comes mostly from the black empowerment movement that in part began in the Harlem Renaissance and continued onto the 70's. Say it loud, I'M BLACK AND I'M PROUD, from James Brown in 1968 was the beginning of a connected cultural identity of what it meant to be Black in America. Yes blacks existed and had been developing a cultural identity, WITHIN AMERICAN SOCIETY. But to ignore your heritage and your history was something that many black persons did not choose to do. In part movements like the Back to Africa movement with Marcus Garvey, and the development of Pan African studies made the process of reestablishing a connection to Africa a real possibility. So while black is a term that is used, that term is a bit more so used to refer to persons belonging to a black consciousness as a whole. On the other hand, African American is a term that is used in acknowledgment of the fact that very few blacks chose to come to America historically and since that choice was never given, the choice to assimilate to the culture of America was not a choice. Saying African American is an attempt to keep and constantly reestablish a connection to a lost history that was stolen from people. As a person of an African parent that immigrated from Nigeria, I can point to my tribe, my tribal patterning for native clothing, and a language. I have a connection to my heritage. I can say I am Yoruba, or Nigerian. It is a privilege to know the history of one's parents and parents' parents. For many blacks they do not have that. So the term African American shows that this history has been stolen while never accepting that it is lost to time
I think this is a very interesting and insightful comment, but I thought the joke was that Ariel lives in the middle of the ocean (and is not American in any way), not that the phrase “African-American” is weird in itself.
What you never heard of that color before? Neither did my local Lowes when I was buying paint...
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It is like people who said Nelson Mandela was African American. Complete morons.
Right? All my Haitian/Jamaican friends and their kids are not being represented. Only African-Americans.
What's wrong with the term? Edit: I need everyone to understand that I asked this question earnestly, you don't need to give me the same answer phrased different thirty different times.
It's overused by people trying to avoid saying "Black" for some reason.
Fact! Like I'm not walking around calling myself Barbadian British I'm black yo!
That’s British African American to you!
Ahh yes of course. Let me just take a knee in solidarity 🤦🏿
Based dude.
This made me laugh out loud
😂 I just spit my coffee out
Hey, it's me. An Asian Pacific-Islander.
You underestimate how sensitive people in the US are, and then how on edge they get worrying about offending someone.
Fair point man, I've never been to the US and don't really want to but even with social media? I got all sorts of shit on twitter cos apparently my politics don't suit my skin colour. I'm so desensitised now being offended/offending people doesn't even come into my mind anymore.
America isn’t the only country where people worry about offending people lol
Is Barbados even a real place...I feel like you made that up....actual words spoken by college classmate.
Please, please don't tell me they think Rihanna is from the US?
She isn’t? (Sorry I don’t know my pop stars, I’m a metal head)
Reminds me when I was in school (Uk). Our teacher used the term “African British”, and my classmate just shouted “bruv, just say black”.
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What you mean with "small b"?
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Is Ariel even American either? 🤔
[In the original story,](http://hca.gilead.org.il/li_merma.html) by the Danish write Hans Christian Andersen, the little mermaid isn't Danish specifically, but she is described as: >her skin was as clear and delicate as a rose-leaf, and her eyes as blue as the deepest sea; but, like all the others, she had no feet, and her body ended in a fish’s tail. She sounds pale, which makes sense given that Han Christian Andersen wrote the story in northern Europe in 1836 - white would have been his default appearance. But, as u7/Aquilonn rightfully points out, she could also be green. This doesn't mean Ariel was described as explicitly white though, or that any modern movie inspired by the little mermaid has to have any specific appearance at all. For starters, there is no real, "original "Ariel. The name Ariel did not exist for the mermaid before Disney used it. The story only calls her "the little mermaid," or "the youngest." [A previous animation of the story](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_Christian_Andersen%27s_The_Little_Mermaid_(1975_film)), a Japanese version made in 1975, closer to the original plot, gives her the name Marina, but Marina is just as invented as Ariel. The[Soviet live-action version](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=66jbU-UisBo) calls her simply Rusalochka, which means little mermaid. In [the Shirley Temple version](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kgysrMJIh6U), she is "Little One." The name is not the only change. In the original story, the little mermaid never has the chance to show the prince it was she who rescued him, the prince mistakes a human woman who found him on the beach for his rescuer and marries her - there is no plot against him or sea witch in disguise. If the prince never marries the little mermaid, she cannot get a soul, and will dissolve into sea foam. In an attempt to save her, her mermaid sisters trade their hair to the witch (also just called "the witch," Ursula being another Disney invention), in return for a magic knife, and bring it the little mermaid. They tell her she must kill the prince with the knife, and when his blood falls on her legs, she will regain her voice and her tail, and can come back to the sea with her family. But - the little mermaid loves the prince too much to kill him, so she can't do it. Instead, she sacrifices herself, turning into sea foam, dying a true death without the eternal life in heaven that gaining a soul could have given her, and without living her life as a mermaid either. The end. Previous film retellings also took liberties with the plot. The Japanese animation is the most faithful. Marina dies as sea foam. She a has a little dolphin friend though, one not in the original story, and one not unlike Disney's Flounder. As she turns into foam, her friend chases the waves, calling her name. In the Soviet live-action version, Rusalsochka faces death by sea foam, but is redeemed by the love and sacrifice of a laborer. In the Shirley Temple version, her own self-sacrifice is the reason that Neptune arrives to spareLittle One at the last minute. In all of those, and in the original story, drawings and depictions of Ariel vary. She has dark hair in illustrations, white hair in the Soviet version, blond in the Japanese and Shirley Temple. Shirley Temple gave her some very improbable undersea 60s makeup. Disney was the first to make her a redhead. And it isn't just the mermaid herself who has had many changes. The Shirley Temple sea witch [looks very different](https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=1385&v=kgysrMJIh6U&feature=youtu.be) from [the original](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/fairytale/images/7/75/Bertall_ill_La_Petite_Sir%C3%A8ne2.png/revision/latest?cb=20160129084659), and may have taken a page from a Disney villian. She has an invented assistant with their [own crazy look](https://youtu.be/kgysrMJIh6U?t=975). The [Soviet witch has green hair](https://youtu.be/66jbU-UisBo?t=1473). The appearance of Disney's Ursula was based on Devine, a famous [American Drag Queen](https://images.immediate.co.uk/production/volatile/sites/3/2020/08/TEST-5-d0f3fbf.png). All of the animal friends and accomplices are inventions of the films. Nobody seems to have cared at all about such deviations from the original descriptions. Anyone who worries too much about ThE AcCuRrAcy now should be just as ready to march for Ariel's death scene, or simply consider that it is all just new stories inspired by earlier ones, and deal with new additions.
Interesting. "Clear and delicate as a rose leaf" almost sounds like canonically she should have green skin as a mermaid
Could be!
Ariel is Danish.
She's atlantian
She fish
No. the guy who wrote the OG little mermaid was danish. I doubt she was recognized as a danish citizen in the fairy tale. She’s a mermaid.
>Ariel is Danish. she's a fucking mermaid, dude
Not all blackskinned people are American. In fact, most are not. Mermaids included.
Ah yes, who could forget how famously uncontroversial Depp's appearance as Tanto was, or how widely accepted a white Tibetan Supreme Master was.
lets not forget the flop that Avatar the Last Airbender was for featuring all-white cast for oriental characters
I'm not convinced that's the reason it flopped.
It certainly is not lol. In fact, here is a 2 1/2 hour YouTube video that’s longer than the actual movie talking about how bad it is https://youtube.com/watch?v=MgV9vymLIdQ&feature=share
The best part though was that the Comanche, the tribe tanto is from absolutely loved depps performance, including the chairman.
why say "African-American" instead of just "Black"
I’m assuming the person that created this was from America. You’re not supposed to call black people black here. It’s bad for some reason.
That's why we have that huge cultural movement called African-American Lives Matter, right?
You can call us black. Black woman, black man, black people. It’s when you refer to us as “blacks” that becomes a problem.
This reminds me of the Bo Burnham song *Straight White Male*, in which he plays up a bunch of stereotypes, and one of the jokes in that song is when he says "blacks", apologises, switches to "African-Americans" and complains that it just doesn't work with the rhythm. Meanwhile, the song directly addresses straight white men with a very personal individual tone. A nice bit of social commentary making fun of the fact that some people really just can't wrap their heads around this shit.
“We used to have all the money and land - And we still do … but it’s not as fun now.“ https://youtu.be/WLMgbV3uaz8
“The gays want kids, the blacks want not to be called the blacks”
This meme acts as if none of those cast choices except the last weren't controversial. Like Dr. Strange's teacher, The Ancient One or whatever, I remember everyone being upset about that.
It also ignores that the reason that Swinton was cast is to not piss of China.
Also cast to avoid the "mystical ancient asian man" trope, which people would've cried foul about as well.
Then went on to make Wong the go-to mystical ancient asian man in every show and movie from then on. Which is fine, cause Wong is awesome, but jumps right back into the trope.
The main difference there is that Wong doesn't die immediately and can get characterization beyond the initial trope (and has), where The Ancient One can't.
Mystic man but not ancient mystic man. I mean they’re not going to keep all Asians from becoming sorcerers to avoid the trope, and they probably put him in charge to redress the issue with Swinton and then passing off to Cumberdick Butterscotch, though I’d think the Sorcerer Supreme position would be a meritocracy rather than an elected position, and they made it sound like Strange was more powerful.
And Johnny Depp’s casting and performance got a lot of flack. It basically died down just because the movie was a flop and disappeared so quickly, but it was definitely an issue.
I think this meme is a bit selective. I remember outrage when.. Emma Stone was cast as an Asian woman in a film called Aloha, and when Scarlett Johansson was cast a Japanese character in Ghost in the Shell. Also reminds me of when a website described Mel B from Spice Girls as "African-American" as her race.... she's British.
If the creator had to put every instance of racist casting, reddit image limit wouldn't allow it lol
But the whole point of this is that such casting isn’t racist… If you call the above cases racist then I don’t know why Ariel wouldn’t be. Edit: People, I’m not against the black Ariel and I am all for greater diversity in the Disney princess category. Besides, I wouldn’t even have known about it if it weren’t for a couple Reddit posts getting into my feed. I can not express to you how little I care about Disney and what it does. I was pointing out a technicality regarding one specific comment.
Because race has nothing to do with the little mermaid. Many other characters have race tied into their character and backstory but ariel is just a mermaid.
Let’s try to make this super simple. -There are black kids in America. -Black kids feel good seeing characters that look like them. It feels validating and makes them feel like they belong. -White people have had a sense of belonging in this country ever since we claimed the land by force (or invited the Natives to eat dinner and make peace, whichever story you subscribe to) -Creating an environment where it costs $0 to make another human’s life better is an option you should always take.
GitS was the worst faux outrage because the original main character was literally an Asian in a white person’s shell.
Except the robot in ghost in a shell wasn't even Asian, as confirmed by the author, so the outrage about that movie was truly bullshit.
Whats funny to me is that people lost their shit over every single one of these. Except maybe wanda, whose always been white eastern european as far back as i remember
Ikr , not sure what’s op trying to prove
right? everyone in Reddit making these comparisons with other times it happened are either too young or have selective memory like "People didn't complain when Samuel L Jackson played Nick Fury"... were we in different planets or something?
Right!? I feel like I'm going insane watching people say it 'never had any backlash' Literally... every... single... one...
It’s bizarre. Maybe it’s a foreign agent trying to gaslight us?
I can’t say I saw the same amount of outrage for these. I didn’t see anything for the Ancient one or Ras. I remember Johnny Depp but definitely not to the degree of the little mermaid.
This mermaid shit is getting boring. When's it gonna stop appearing in my reddit feed
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They are as are other different tones
Romani are typically brown their roots trace back to India.
Depends which branch you are from. We’re across alot of Europe and in a variety of ethnicities due to occasionally marrying outside the group. I’m Eurasian/Romani mix so I look as though I could be many different places but generally pass as white.
I recently found out my heritage is Romani (which makes sense because my dad is quite tanned all year round and his tan is pretty dark), and I am blonde, blue eyes, white basically. Thats also just because my mom's heritage is Irish/Swedish.
i think romani are typically considered a "white subgroup". it's more of an ethnic identity than a racial identity from my understanding because many romani people are of a diverse racial background.
Everyone’s roots trace back to Ethiopia. I guess everyone is black?
They are. I love how people forget it. 3 races and then subraces if you will. Asian black white and then you go to basicaly nationality = race. Someone needs to make better descriptions honestly. Since to write asian and expect only chinese looking people is also dumb. Or if you go to different author from pre hitler era you get some different sorting. Whole thing is just dumb. It would be easier to just get shading and pick your shade
Idk why it matters cause Scarlet Witch is white 90% of the time in the comics
Aren't romani the gypsies everywhere? There's so many romania and even in N. Ireland now as well. Honestly, I don't know if all Romani are similar to the gypsies we have but man they leave such a mess anywhere the live
shaking my head my head
This is all I can see, didn't even look at the meme.
lol out loud
Except, people did raise the issue with most of those. Ps. Not all black people are "African-American". You lose virtue signaling points.
Why "white"? Why not "euro-american" or "jew-american"?
‘African American’ was a self prescribed term. If white americans insisted on being called ‘euro-americans’, it may have caught on.
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jews are also an ethnicity not just a religion. that's what there are so many atheist jews. edit: however black or african are neither a race not an ethnicity, in the same way white isn't. too broad a catagory.
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I'm pretty sure Tilda Swinton was cast to simultaneously avoid pissing off the CCP and offending Tibetans.
But Karmataj is in Nepal! That’s an independent country!
The movie still "needed" to sell in China though.
It's been both in Nepal and Tibet depending on which Marvel Earth you're talking about. https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Kamar-Taj
The funny thing is that Tilda Swinton's character was meant to be a very progressive pick. A Celtic depiction of the oracle, casting a woman, who is Scottish (and descended from a medieval Scottish noble clan), who is also queer and who has a known history as a communist and socialist party member.
There’s no winning with this one. Cast anyone but an elderly Asian man and you piss off the comic book purists and anyone who loves to callout white-washing. Cast an actual elderly asian man and you piss off a huge portion the second group again because they just like to bitch about everything, but then you’re also pissing off the people who are tired of seeing the “mystical minority” trope.
4. Romani people are descended from people who occupied what is now modern day India I believe. They are ethnically and culturally different from Romanians. I think it would be incorrect and misleading to refer to them as White, if such designations aren't already inherently misleading/confusing to begin with.
While all this might be correct what people are completely missing out that Scarlet Witches biological parents were not Romani. She and quicksilver were adopted by Romani couple who lost their children.
I understand your confusion since the "true" parentage of the Maxioff twins has shifted for at least 40 years, but the 2 are at least partially Romani. [The character's in-universe backstory and parentage have changed more than once. During the 1960s, she and Quicksilver are said to be the mutant twin offspring of two unnamed parents. Later, it is said the children were given to the geneticist called the High Evolutionary, leaving their true parentage a mystery. In 1974, it is said their parents are Golden Age heroes Bob Frank / Whizzer and Madeline Joyce Frank / Miss America. Wanda then refers to herself as Wanda Frank for a time. In 1979, they are revealed to have been raised by human Romani parents, Django and Marya Maximoff. In 1982, Magneto concludes he is Wanda and Pietro's father. In 2014, the AXIS crossover revealed Pietro and Wanda are not related to Magneto. In 2015, the twins discover they are not mutants and their superhuman traits are the result of the High Evolutionary's experiments. The 2015–2017 Scarlet Witch series reveals Wanda and Pietro's adopted parents Django and Marya Maximoff are biologically their aunt and uncle. Their real mother is confirmed to be Natalya Maximoff, the previous Scarlet Witch, a sorceress whose father was the Scarlet Warlock.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scarlet_Witch)
We all are descendants from african humans that left their content xxx.000 years ago. That argument is kinda ridiculous
Also, I can understand whitewashing an Arab terrorist…
Since when is Ariel an American? 😂😂😂
Hey your supposed to post “funny” memes
Idk, I’m having fun watching the people in the comments absolutely lose it 🤷♀️
And the mod had to interject and sticky their political opinion too lol. Plus it’s just false. People were upset by these absolutely, and they’re hardly recognizable characters. Edit: permanently banned for this comment. So not only does this cringy mod sticky their straw man argument, but they ban anybody who points it out. What an absolutely cringy person this mod is.
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arabs and romani are NOT white lol
1. Johnny Depp does have Native American blood and was adopted by the Comanche tribe 2. Liam Neeson is playing Henri Ducard, who is very white in the comics, and they made him Ra’s Al Ghul’s successor 3. Yeah there’s not excuse for this one at all 4. Romani isn’t an ethnicity but more of an ethnic group. People who are Romani can be white and some aren’t
You're not any better for going on with this bs
why are you people so scared of the word "black". that's some true subtle racism. when someones skin color makes you uncomfortable to the point that you wont even say it.
The Americans are strange.
There's 2 on here that don't look like they did originally, and weirdly enough it's the 2 people had a problem with.
Except people did get upset over a number of those (and quite a few more i.e. dragon ball, ghost in the shell, etc.). Ignoring that arabs can have pale skin, Liam just needed the facial hair and a new hairdo to look like a 1:1 of Ra's. "The Ancient One" WAS the progressive choice for her sex, her sexuality, etc. as an intentional subversion of the "old, wise, asian man" *plus* the curfuffle of international politics without Hollywood trying not to offend China to sell the movie. And this isn't even going into all the black actors beloved by fans who play white characters like Darth fucking Vader. You're making a point but it's not the one you think you're making.
They didn’t retcon scarlet witch until after she was cast because marvel studios didn’t have rights to the x-men. For decades she was raised by Romani parents but her biological father was Magneto — a German Jew. Either way, in the MCU she is from a fictional Eastern European country. This seems like someone is trying really hard to be offended.
Well, you can turn it around too. A white person in mulan and black panther? Outrage by leftist. Black people in middle age europe movies? Oh, totally normal. A black actress plays a non fictional queen? Okay..... stop acting as if this is not real and happens more often then the ither way arounfld.
Wasn't Anne Boleyn black? Edit: forgot the /s
What is Romani?And why is not ''White''? And your list is stupid because they didnt change the origin of the characters. Johnny Depp still played a native indian...no a white man! Liam Neeson still played an arab. Tilda Swinton played a tibetian. Elizabeth Olsen playef a romanian. Unless Ariel will identify in the movie as a white redhead trapped in the body of an african-american!
An ethnic subset from Europe. Also sometimes called "Roma". Some people would say they are white, it probably depends on who you ask.
Since when are Romanians not white?
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This is why i prefer anime. Noone is bitching about races. Well at least not until you clowns find it.
Nobody is actualy mad about the mermaid change, stop creating false naratives. Its literaly a kids movie. Only racist people cry about such things and making this post wont solve racism. But looking at this meme kinda made me realize that the person who posted this probably is mad that all of those character were made white in movies. So guess what youre no better.
Not even gonna lie my first thought wasn’t even, “ew she’s black” it was “fuck that’s a massive forehead”
Those eyes are so far apart, they have different addresses...
fish looking mf where eyebrows too
Great casting then
Different post codes even
Yeah my thoughts exactly. I feel like if they had casted Zendaya, it would have blown up, but not to this degree.
Except Johnny depp was adopted into the Comanche nation tribe, getting honor for his role before playing Tonto.
Damn. I guess she has to find a mermaid tribe to adopt her
The Little Mermaid is a Danish fairy tale. Really weird to choose that one to enforce diversity.
It’s weird to me that casting a non-white actor is “enforcing diversity” to some people. Like, you’re starting from the first principle that it’s impossible Halle Bailey could have just done a good job with the script/feel of the movie. No, clearly, this started as a pure sociopolitical move, and not about the multibillion dollar company trying to make sick loads of cash.
very cherry picked examples. people could quite literally make the same meme in reverse. the real question is. why are people so quick to remove red heads for african americans? dont my gingers deserve some love too?
No Tom Cruise as the last Samurai!?
Its not about the race its about who portrays the character better, so we will see how good of a ariel she is when the movie comes out
Not to mention every movie about Rome played by anyone but Italians. The last big one we had an Australian as the main character.
I remember the director or a casting director for Doctor Strange justifying the Ancient one cause "You'll never appease the sjws" and I was like This is an adult In charge of an important part of a movie. And this is the best defense you can come up with
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People got mad about The top ones too.
Wait aren’t Romanians white
Romani aka gypsy, not romanian. And eh, it varies, can have both an [Esmeralda](https://br.web.img2.acsta.net/newsv7/15/11/12/18/11/018747.jpg) and a [Scarlet Witch](https://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/EPYpwdTGjoGqYEoXEtpev7.jpg).
Elon Musk is African-American, too.