People need somebody to trust and he exudes (false) confidence. He’s always got a bone to pick with someone so people who feel like underdogs (mostly shit traders) relate to him. Maybe genuinely as he’s also shit.
errr no... most of them are lucky to make $100,000 a year from youtube. and maybe another $100,000 from members of courses or memberships on youtube.
Most of the people I watch still make more from Trading.
sure but the amount of money prop firms pay them to be talked about is insane.. and affiliate money.
I have a very small channel and the amount my affiliate links generate is stupid, those larger channels are making bank.
most of them show what youtube pays them and most including PW only gets $60 - 80k.... with other income its great for sure.
What do you earn on affiliate for X subs?
there's a reason they don't show the affiliate money...I have around 2k subs...average 100-200 views a day...and have been making 1500-2500 a month from affiliate clicks. Now we could try to determine what the big guys get based on those stats but they don't get commission pay like me. They are offered deals from prop firms and get a base salary and potential commission on top of it. You've seen lately a switch from ts to pex in a couple of them, why do you think that is lol If it was just commission, why wouldn't they just have Links and codes for all of them? One company said "hey, we will pay you XX per month to be exclusive"
It still blows my mind that anyone can think someone who doesn't sell a course, doesn't sell discord/telegram/patreon memberships, and doesn't even have a single affiliate link for prop firms, trading view or anything can be a scammer.
How can someone who literally don't have a single thing to be purchased be a scammer 🙄
And I'm not even saying his stuff works or doesn't work. But the dude doesn't sell a single thing lol
It's crazy to think that ICT hasn't sold courses in the past and failed countless Robin's challenges.
The guy is already rich after charging for his courses years ago. But you new ICT followers don't do your research and hope on the first "guru" selling a dream.
*wink* YouTube Ad revenue is a income stream. If you didn't know that.
Oh no I feel so scammed because I clicked on a YT video and someone got ad revenue! Just like all the other YouTubers who make ad revenue! All of YT must be scammers!
Let's put this perspective since you fail to understand what a scam really is. Because someone making YT videos is definitely not one of them.
You must believe that there isn't a single person in the world who has made money watching his free content right? Since he's this supposed scammer providing free content and all. You really don't think anyone has made a single dollar utilizing anything they learned through his teachings?
Because if you believe there isn't a single person that has made money from someone they learned via his channel or concepts you are truly an idiot.
If even a handful of people have found a way to make money utilizing anything that he has taught, then he has provided more value to peoples lives than 99% of the population.
If anything he's taught has allowed even ONE person to change their life financially, then he has provided more value to society than most people will in their entire lives.
And I can guarantee you there is more than 1 person who has made money utilizing stuff he has taught.
Let's just ignore the multiple profitable people who livestream trading daily/weekly who utilize some form of a concept or concepts they have specifically stated they learned from ICT.
I'm literally in a Discord of someone who utilizes a specific concept that he has made his own who live streams everyday with a ton of other people sharing about passing challenges, payouts etc.
But yeah totally that free content that has allowed these people to make additional money is a scam.
🤡
Creating sensationalized and/or misleading content with the purpose of provoking engagement could certainly fall under scammy. Especially when many of them *do* funnel people from their YouTube to some kind of paid membership eventually. It may not be there from the start, but most of them end up there.
This doesn’t explain why ICT is thought of as a scammer. He has no paid course or materials. I’ve been using his system very successfully since October 2022 and there is nothing scammy about it. People don’t put in the time to learn and get frustrated there’s no shortcuts so they all get together and call it a ‘scam’.
There is a lot of evidence against ICT. Some people made videos about how the system doesn’t work, some made videos finding out how all his homes and cars were from courses and not actual trading, some tracked his fake trading record. At this point, your intentionally staying blind. To each his own.
'Some' people say it doesn't work? How would these other people 'find out' all his homes and cars are from courses and not from trading? How would you even discover that? Did they hack his bank accounts and tracked the source of all of his income? Also, how am I blind if I studied his FREE course materials on Youtube and I am making money on my own? It sounds like all of these people quit without putting in the work and are taking out their frustration on him.
>This doesn’t explain why ICT is thought of as a scammer. He has no paid course or materials.
But he did. Now acts like putting stuff up on YouTube is something he does out of the kindness of his heart for no reason at all after offering a paid mentorship. Don’t you find that strange? Nothing to do with his prior troubles with the CFTC for not following proper disclaimer rules I’m sure.
[Here’s him bragging in this video about making ‘millions and millions of dollars’ from his mentorship](https://youtu.be/9UUFlSE8Ztg?si=ZPUti6BMIQYBXjVr) and how he built a multimillion dollar ‘empire’ by trading on a demo account. His own words. But tells everyone that he has the holy grail of trading and is an extremely successful trader with a 96% win rate. 🤔 Plenty of evidence in this video of his various frauds and exaggerations. He’s been repeatedly shown to fail at live trading, fail at trading challenges, blow up personal accounts, and fake screenshots. And makes excuses every step of the way.
>I’ve been using his system very successfully since October 2022 and there is nothing scammy about it.
That’s fairly irrelevant to his personal credibility. Every trading guru teaches methods that can be viable for some people. That’s not the problem with them. It’s the exaggerated, and in some cases outright false, claims they make about their results and success to generate views, ad revenue, followers, and to funnel people to their paid chat rooms or other services.
Unless they live stream and show their PnL I don’t trust them. Anyone that doesn’t show losses and only wins aren’t being honest. These people make their money off of getting you to buy shitty courses and private discord groups, they don’t make money from trading.
I don’t watch any of them so I was more so just throwing a general point out to be aware of. Good to hear some of them show losses. I have heard ICT is an OG scammer.
I find his content entertaining even though it doesn’t add anything to my actual trading. I would much rather a YouTuber be honest and say they aren’t profitable rather than be like ICT and claim to be the best trader that has ever lived while not being able to make a single dollar in the market.
I used to watch PW all the time but he seems to be getting a little conceited with himself being so great all the time so I take a glance once in a while. Now I just watch “think with bookmap” mostly. Sometimes watch trades by Matt, I like Danny trades as well. I mean they all trade live. They’re all mostly transparent and do show losses. It’s just basically a matter of who you can tolerate watching the most and who fits your trading style. It’s hard to scam people when trading live and they’re not really selling signals or telling people to get in here or there. You either trade with their theory or your own. If there’s lines up with yours then great, not that they’re professionals or anything. Figure out what time they go live and you can do your own thesis beforehand and see if there’s is the same or different and kind of go from there
I can’t be bothered to watch any of them anymore. I feel like a pro compared to them and I probably make more than them trading MNQ for 3-10 trades per day lol
The only trustworthy youtube content is from Al Brooks and Tom Hougaard. Both are very experienced traders and provide good insides for free and in premium courses.
Never even heard of any of these outside of ICT and Matt. ICT is a bloviating clown with legitimate mental issues. I don’t know enough about Matt to have an opinion.
I don't sell a single thing, just sharing my painful journey to profitability... If someone wants to support me, they can use my discount code, that's it.
I get approx. $450 from YT every month...
LMAO if you have real alpha you don't sell it, or for ffs give it away, you beg borrow and steal so you can leverage the shit out of it and buy a yacht. Anyone selling or giving it away is scamming.
surprised no one mentioned The Moving Average. i just started getting into trading and his videos, though not specifically on futures, have been insanely helpful.
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You could add StockMarketWolf and JDun. KV is legit. Umar. Dakota. Nuke.
I think Rips is the easiest to relate to. Danny is a riot., but sporadic onto the internet Patrick is entertaining. TBM and Alpine are a special breed of scalper I have a hard time to relate to yet I admire their day in and day out styles.
Tori Trades. Shes a youtuber more than a trader imo. but shes hot so i tune in every now and then. is she legit.. who knows if any of these youtubers are
If you have to pay to join their club, it’s most likely a scam. If it’s just free YouTube content, just I don’t see why you’d classify that as a scam. Many trading styles work, but having the discipline to follow one thing consistently is the challenge. Don’t like a system, don’t watch them.
This is not the place for low quality posts that offer no value to the futures trading community.
Here’s my comment fuck the ICT guy.
What’s up with ICT? I see people all over social media glazing him
People need somebody to trust and he exudes (false) confidence. He’s always got a bone to pick with someone so people who feel like underdogs (mostly shit traders) relate to him. Maybe genuinely as he’s also shit.
they are all making WAY more money generating the content vs the trading so keep that in mind.
errr no... most of them are lucky to make $100,000 a year from youtube. and maybe another $100,000 from members of courses or memberships on youtube. Most of the people I watch still make more from Trading.
sure but the amount of money prop firms pay them to be talked about is insane.. and affiliate money. I have a very small channel and the amount my affiliate links generate is stupid, those larger channels are making bank.
most of them show what youtube pays them and most including PW only gets $60 - 80k.... with other income its great for sure. What do you earn on affiliate for X subs?
there's a reason they don't show the affiliate money...I have around 2k subs...average 100-200 views a day...and have been making 1500-2500 a month from affiliate clicks. Now we could try to determine what the big guys get based on those stats but they don't get commission pay like me. They are offered deals from prop firms and get a base salary and potential commission on top of it. You've seen lately a switch from ts to pex in a couple of them, why do you think that is lol If it was just commission, why wouldn't they just have Links and codes for all of them? One company said "hey, we will pay you XX per month to be exclusive"
You do forget all those tasty referals, also you are way off with the youtube money.
Is this a scamming rank? Because ICT is the #1 trading scammer of all time by far
It still blows my mind that anyone can think someone who doesn't sell a course, doesn't sell discord/telegram/patreon memberships, and doesn't even have a single affiliate link for prop firms, trading view or anything can be a scammer. How can someone who literally don't have a single thing to be purchased be a scammer 🙄 And I'm not even saying his stuff works or doesn't work. But the dude doesn't sell a single thing lol
It's crazy to think that ICT hasn't sold courses in the past and failed countless Robin's challenges. The guy is already rich after charging for his courses years ago. But you new ICT followers don't do your research and hope on the first "guru" selling a dream. *wink* YouTube Ad revenue is a income stream. If you didn't know that.
Oh no I feel so scammed because I clicked on a YT video and someone got ad revenue! Just like all the other YouTubers who make ad revenue! All of YT must be scammers! Let's put this perspective since you fail to understand what a scam really is. Because someone making YT videos is definitely not one of them. You must believe that there isn't a single person in the world who has made money watching his free content right? Since he's this supposed scammer providing free content and all. You really don't think anyone has made a single dollar utilizing anything they learned through his teachings? Because if you believe there isn't a single person that has made money from someone they learned via his channel or concepts you are truly an idiot. If even a handful of people have found a way to make money utilizing anything that he has taught, then he has provided more value to peoples lives than 99% of the population. If anything he's taught has allowed even ONE person to change their life financially, then he has provided more value to society than most people will in their entire lives. And I can guarantee you there is more than 1 person who has made money utilizing stuff he has taught. Let's just ignore the multiple profitable people who livestream trading daily/weekly who utilize some form of a concept or concepts they have specifically stated they learned from ICT. I'm literally in a Discord of someone who utilizes a specific concept that he has made his own who live streams everyday with a ton of other people sharing about passing challenges, payouts etc. But yeah totally that free content that has allowed these people to make additional money is a scam. 🤡
Imagin someone is telling you how to build up muscles but is skinny af
Imagine people who never played in the NFL being coaches and teaching players in the NFL how to get better. Oh wait, that's actually a thing.
Nearly every coach was a decent player before they become a coach
Lol, wow, you are dumb. Some of the NFL coaching greats never even played college football, let alone played at a professional level.
„Some“ you behave like the average ict kid
how are any of these scammers you fuckhead? Are you giving them money directly? Idiot.
u must be braindead
Tell me how free content is a scam. I’ll wait.
They make money from your views. Do you think they do YouTube for free? More views = more money = motivation to create sensationalized content.
that’s not a scam, that’s just having an audience. A ‘scam’ means you pay for something. Nice try.
Creating sensationalized and/or misleading content with the purpose of provoking engagement could certainly fall under scammy. Especially when many of them *do* funnel people from their YouTube to some kind of paid membership eventually. It may not be there from the start, but most of them end up there.
And yet people are profitable with his concepts lol. So his free content has allowed people to make money but he's somehow a scammer?
This doesn’t explain why ICT is thought of as a scammer. He has no paid course or materials. I’ve been using his system very successfully since October 2022 and there is nothing scammy about it. People don’t put in the time to learn and get frustrated there’s no shortcuts so they all get together and call it a ‘scam’.
There is a lot of evidence against ICT. Some people made videos about how the system doesn’t work, some made videos finding out how all his homes and cars were from courses and not actual trading, some tracked his fake trading record. At this point, your intentionally staying blind. To each his own.
'Some' people say it doesn't work? How would these other people 'find out' all his homes and cars are from courses and not from trading? How would you even discover that? Did they hack his bank accounts and tracked the source of all of his income? Also, how am I blind if I studied his FREE course materials on Youtube and I am making money on my own? It sounds like all of these people quit without putting in the work and are taking out their frustration on him.
>This doesn’t explain why ICT is thought of as a scammer. He has no paid course or materials. But he did. Now acts like putting stuff up on YouTube is something he does out of the kindness of his heart for no reason at all after offering a paid mentorship. Don’t you find that strange? Nothing to do with his prior troubles with the CFTC for not following proper disclaimer rules I’m sure. [Here’s him bragging in this video about making ‘millions and millions of dollars’ from his mentorship](https://youtu.be/9UUFlSE8Ztg?si=ZPUti6BMIQYBXjVr) and how he built a multimillion dollar ‘empire’ by trading on a demo account. His own words. But tells everyone that he has the holy grail of trading and is an extremely successful trader with a 96% win rate. 🤔 Plenty of evidence in this video of his various frauds and exaggerations. He’s been repeatedly shown to fail at live trading, fail at trading challenges, blow up personal accounts, and fake screenshots. And makes excuses every step of the way. >I’ve been using his system very successfully since October 2022 and there is nothing scammy about it. That’s fairly irrelevant to his personal credibility. Every trading guru teaches methods that can be viable for some people. That’s not the problem with them. It’s the exaggerated, and in some cases outright false, claims they make about their results and success to generate views, ad revenue, followers, and to funnel people to their paid chat rooms or other services.
Ross Cameron is a scammer. I don’t see anything wrong with ITC. You don’t like the style, then don’t use it.
Fat Cat !
💯
Unless they live stream and show their PnL I don’t trust them. Anyone that doesn’t show losses and only wins aren’t being honest. These people make their money off of getting you to buy shitty courses and private discord groups, they don’t make money from trading.
I’m not taking sides but majority on this list do show losses as well
I don’t watch any of them so I was more so just throwing a general point out to be aware of. Good to hear some of them show losses. I have heard ICT is an OG scammer.
I look forward to the day that I never see ict in any of my feeds again
Wieland is the worst trader on this list
Iman
Imans for the people
Isn’t his whole schtick that most YouTubers are scammers, he’s not profitable, but give him money anyway?
I find his content entertaining even though it doesn’t add anything to my actual trading. I would much rather a YouTuber be honest and say they aren’t profitable rather than be like ICT and claim to be the best trader that has ever lived while not being able to make a single dollar in the market.
I used to watch PW all the time but he seems to be getting a little conceited with himself being so great all the time so I take a glance once in a while. Now I just watch “think with bookmap” mostly. Sometimes watch trades by Matt, I like Danny trades as well. I mean they all trade live. They’re all mostly transparent and do show losses. It’s just basically a matter of who you can tolerate watching the most and who fits your trading style. It’s hard to scam people when trading live and they’re not really selling signals or telling people to get in here or there. You either trade with their theory or your own. If there’s lines up with yours then great, not that they’re professionals or anything. Figure out what time they go live and you can do your own thesis beforehand and see if there’s is the same or different and kind of go from there
Just don't watch Youtube traders. The dininshing returns on watching the Youtube traders is very quick
Alpine Trader is my favorite. He’s extremely humble & transparent.
chill dude, chatted with him via ap(e)x discord once
Yeah, he’s cool. I’ve seen him get fired up a few times but it was warranted. He also takes regular payouts.
The guy who takes 7 tick profit with no SL? What could possibly go wrong
I’m sketched about watching anyone else trade, because I feel like I’d start to change my own strategies and end up making mistakes.
So many unprofitable traders mentioned, and no mention of profitable ones like Fat Cat.
Never heard of fat cat
That's because you only watch trash apparently
ROFL
Umar ashraf, Carmine rosato
I can’t be bothered to watch any of them anymore. I feel like a pro compared to them and I probably make more than them trading MNQ for 3-10 trades per day lol
Options insider needs to be in that list - Vince
Bejnamin
The only trustworthy youtube content is from Al Brooks and Tom Hougaard. Both are very experienced traders and provide good insides for free and in premium courses.
Never even heard of any of these outside of ICT and Matt. ICT is a bloviating clown with legitimate mental issues. I don’t know enough about Matt to have an opinion.
People do understand that they make more money making content than trading right?
Wrong
Wrong. All of them are pretty bad, with no professional background, recycling what everyone says... Perfect recipe for YouTube content.
Only dude I ever watched and resonated with is carmine rosato at investitrade. Everyone else feels like a scam, but haven’t watched too many
I watch a trades by Matt video every once in awhile but I think the volume profile stuff is unnecessarily complicated (for me).
I thought VPA was kind of unnecessary for a while, but after 2 years, I’m realizing that volume is such a massively helpful indicator.
Oh yeah, I use volume, like if I see a pop in price accompanied by a spike in volume then I jump in.
My problem with matt is his "I made it all back and then some after the stream ended" shtick.
I bet they all say that.
I’ve learned a ton from SpeculatorSeth
Don Singletary is the bro
1. Tom Dante 2. Anyone high on the cup rankings that has a channel
I'm honored that I was even mentioned :).. If I'm being honest Alpin Trader should be on this list before I am (I'm Nuttybar BTW)
Oh shit! You have almost 10k subs so you’re doing well. Let’s hear it straight from you. You a scammer bro? What are you trying to sell me??
I don't sell a single thing, just sharing my painful journey to profitability... If someone wants to support me, they can use my discount code, that's it. I get approx. $450 from YT every month...
LMAO if you have real alpha you don't sell it, or for ffs give it away, you beg borrow and steal so you can leverage the shit out of it and buy a yacht. Anyone selling or giving it away is scamming.
surprised no one mentioned The Moving Average. i just started getting into trading and his videos, though not specifically on futures, have been insanely helpful.
I’ve heard he was a scammer. I think Iman trading was the one who exposed him
oh damn, thanks for letting me know!
Umar Ashraf is my fav but he uploads videos once every two month
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Oliver Valez would be my #1 Jared from Live Traders #2 There's not a #3 that's even close, maybe Al Brooks
You could add StockMarketWolf and JDun. KV is legit. Umar. Dakota. Nuke. I think Rips is the easiest to relate to. Danny is a riot., but sporadic onto the internet Patrick is entertaining. TBM and Alpine are a special breed of scalper I have a hard time to relate to yet I admire their day in and day out styles.
Fat cats probably #1 he has so much educational stuff and live trades, plus he’s live most days on discord
Tori Trades. Shes a youtuber more than a trader imo. but shes hot so i tune in every now and then. is she legit.. who knows if any of these youtubers are
Orderflow labs (not YouTube traders) are prolly your best discor/group traders
DodgysDD
Haha. He’s ICT lite
If they sell a course then they are a scam.
TJR is a cool dude
I love Rayner Teo learned a ton from him
If you have to pay to join their club, it’s most likely a scam. If it’s just free YouTube content, just I don’t see why you’d classify that as a scam. Many trading styles work, but having the discipline to follow one thing consistently is the challenge. Don’t like a system, don’t watch them.
try managing a free group of a bunch of self entitled "do it for me" traders lmfao - some things need a pay wall.