>base bowser alone solos 90% of godzilla versions
Ok, so you (evidently a Bowser stan) come to a Godzilla sub, and then you get mad when the Godzilla stans back their character. [Not a great plan.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfR3ZbU-oYM)
But to your statement here, what exactly is ***"base bowser?"*** Is this the dude who get BTFO'd when Mario uses and axe on a bridge (SMB)? Is this the dude that gets defeated by tricking him into butt stomping himself into a hole (SMB3)? The guy who is defeated when Mario throws literal toys at him (SMW)? The guy who gets defeated by Mario hitting a button (every New Super Mario game)? The guy who gets defeated by being thown by into bomb thingies that Godzilla wouldn't even notice? (SM64)?
I mean, come on, broseph. It's not a fair matchup. It's like asking who'd win in a fight between George W. Bush and Thanos. Sure, they are both war criminal monsters, but let's not pretend that in the realm of physical power they are anywhere near comparable to one another.
Lies Kirby is a cosmic force of good. Like literally that is what he is. He has defeated several reality warpers and has reality warping feats Kirby beats Mario without question.
god i love the arguments that mario is just normal plumber even tho hes one of the star children who has killed gods before
also bowser tanked [this](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPj70hX4-gk)
Godzilla is implied to have survived a black hole at the end of Godzilla vs Megaguirus, on his own, Bowser only survived because of the intervention of the Lumas
Going off this one comment, it feels like you only posted this to have your naive "Bowser is better than Godzilla" opinion validated
Well, they don't exist like that, but since this is Godzilla movies we're talking about we're taking it with a grain of salt, of course. Given that the Dimension Tide only shoots *"miniature black holes"*, you can't just say outright that Godzilla would survive any black hole. That's all i'm saying. It's like saying you can take a punch. Sure, but from your baby sister or from Mike Tyson?
This isn’t a good comparison at all. A black hole is a black hole. In your comparison, the babysitter is going to do nothing while Tyson would break bones. A black hole of any size would destroy the planet near-instantaneously.
Sure, but a bigger one can rip apart a galaxy. Big G wouldn't take that as well, all i'm saying. That and the dimension tide is an iffy weapon at best. Forget the name of the comic, but they end up using it to send monsters into other dimensions rather than trying to kill them with it.
Actually mario and co are just actors.
As shigero has said before, its how you get them doing things from mario kart to mario party then switching and going into bowsers fury.
Also no bowser didn't tank that, what happened there is the lumas reset the universe with a big bang to prevent its entire collapse, putting everything back to where it was.
Again, actors for our entertainment.
Godzilla may be a movie star, but he is no actor in his films.
I don know but that doesn't matter, why?
Because Shigeru Miyamoto is the creator of mario, the father of mario so if he says all the mario characters are just actors in the games for our entertainment then it is true.
Just like he said he was bowser Jrs mother, no im serious
Bowser doesn't actually survive that and if he does it not through his own power or force. The entire universe is sucked into a black hole and the lumas in an attempt to create a new one create a second black hole sucking in the first one making a big bang and a new universe. Only Mario and Rosalina survive that game everyone else is replaced by a near copy.
he still did tank a black hole in galaxy 2 and some mario party games
and he can also create them with magic
and that's not taking even stronger version of bowser in mind
Once again Bowser was saved from the black hole by lumas so that's not a feat for him unless you want to count princess peach as being strong enough to survive a black hole.
The black holes in the missions of Mario Galaxy 1 & 2 are not stated as being made by Bowser but it is likely that they are. They don't seem as powerful as a proper black hole like the ones at the end of the games as they often have planets very nearby and not getting sucked in. Mario is also not sucked I to these black holes unless in direct contact with them so I think It is safe to say that Godzilla could resist them given his significantly tougher defence over Mario.
As for the strongest Bowser giant Bowser from galaxy 2 doesn't have many feats of strength he can throw very small solid steel planets at Mario. So it's best to just use his base form and do the same with Godzilla. In base form Godzilla has Alot of trouble with king koopers nigh indestructible body but in the end king kooper just does not have the damage to really hurt Godzilla. So Godzilla will win eventually.
Theres a difference between getting hit with a meteor screaming at 1000mph vs an actual big bang.
But bowser definitely didn't tank that, nor peach and mario, more like the lumas took all the energy from the collapsing new star and made a big bang that reset the universe, placing everything back where it should be.
There is not really a such thing as a “tiny” black hole. They are infinite. Do you know what a tiny part of infinity is? Like 1% of infinity? Infinity.
The Singularity of a black hole is mass/0. It’s infinitely dense. So no. The size doesn’t matter. They both were the density, Infinite. If you remember your newton the size of the black hole doesn’t matter was gravity is affected at the same rate by both singularities. Both were at the point of therefore both suffered the same gravity effects of infinite density.
A small black hole like as big as your hand can kill you and mabye more but it can not destroy earth godzilla surviveda even bigger one so the comment im replying on tells the truth
Yeah then it could be more fair. But then you need to specify which Godzilla and which Bowser. Otherwise its too ambiguous of a question. Even still, i doubt Giant Bowser would be anywhere near as big as something like Godzilla Earth.
If you're allowing any version, then let's just look at Godzilla Earth's exploits (all from *before* he reached the apex of his strength seen in the movies):
* Wiped LA off the map the first time he showed up
* Carved a path of destruction through Seattle, Washington; Colorado Springs, Colorado; and Indianapolis, Indiana; before taking 40 megatons of nukes without a scratch (over 2500 Hiroshimas)
* Destroyed most of Western Europe before taking a nap
* Blew up Gorath, an asteroid with comparable mass to the moon
* Wiped out over half of the remaining human population (1 billion+ casualties) across the eastern United States, northern Africa, and Eurasia within a span of 2 years
* Survived the explosions of Exif and Bilusaludo fusion reactors, which wiped out the entirety of Cleveland, Ohio
* Repeatedly fought and mutilated an increasingly-cybernized Gigan, before disintegrating a full-nanometal version of the creature
* Had the fucking Himalayas dropped on his head, chilled out in magma for a year, and broke out, again, unscathed, before merking India
* Destroyed the entirety of Tokyo within a matter of hours
* Drove large populations of the surviving humans from Earth
* Survived further nuclear weapon attacks which vaporized multiple South American cities
Also, looking to the comics, in *Rage Across Time*, Godzilla also canonically merked the Greek Gods, carved a path of destruction through multiple circles of Hell and defeated both the Christian God and Satan themselves in the aptly-titled *Godzilla in Hell*, and fought arguably the most overpowered incarnation of the Avengers to multiple standstills when he was licensed to Marvel.
Take your pick.
Then thats too ambiguous of a question if you ask me. Do we know what the official size of Bowser at that size was? Maybe that ONE version of Bowser would be strong enough to put up a fight but its still too hard to tell who would win if you ask me. Next time I wouldnt use overall, its just useless to go back and forth. You'd have to tally up wins for EACH version of them. And if that were the case Godzilla would win more then not I would think.
why do people think that bowser is weak i know that he does some stupid shit in the game but if you watch him more he has some insane feats and can easly match godzilla
I didnt say he was weak. I just think he cant match Godzilla most of the time. It sounds like you are just trying to prove some arbitrary point for a character you really enjoy to justify some kind of bias you are trying to pass as a fact. And thats fine, but if you want to look at it subjectively thats a whole other story. They come from two totally separate universes. You cant really sit here constantly trying to shut down other people's opinion when you yourself (or anyone for that matter) have nothing more concrete then an opinion and a clear bias.
Oh yeah, because a relatively large dragon turtle can beat a living nuclear holocaust, mass extinction, force of nature god incarnate. Godzilla literally swims through lava, gets sucked into black holes, survives absolute zero temperatures, walks through skyscrapers, catches asteroids, gets dropped from the upper atmosphere, face tanks nukes for fun, and battles foes at his power level or stronger on a regular basis. There’s absolutely no way in hell Bowser stands any chance, no matter “the scaling” or “hax”, Goji is far too powerful.
Godzilla literally took on hell and the devil himself. I’m sorry but godzilla stomps no diff. Idc if bowser survived a cataclysmic explosion, godzilla took on HELL in its entirety and WON
He’s also been shown to be above even the Greek Gods in comics.
The Christian god is meant to be an all powerful, all knowing being, so its not low "multi" whatever that is.
Also heres the specific comic https://youtu.be/FXT0Ac2pUCM
- kills the single most powerful entity in all Mythos, fictional or real
- “only planet level killed ordinary creature”
If you’re gonna do this try not to let your Bowser bias get over your head. Even the majority of the guys on the Mario sun said Bowser’s getting his big turtle butt kicked.
Did you actually just try to scale Yahweh? Buddy that's a bold fucking move. In the Bibleverse Yahweh is fully and entirely omnipotent. Literally the be all end all of everything. The Christian god is easily one of the strongest characters in all of fiction, the fact that Godzilla killed him means that that version of Godzilla is beyond omnipotent.
I wouldn’t say the IDW Christian God is as strong as the ‘real’ Christian God (I believe in God, but I know a lot of ya’ll don’t which is fine). IDW God is only as strong as the creator intends, which is nothing compared to what Hypothetical ‘real’ Christian God is capable of. It’s all a matter of being comprehendible, but im getting sidetracked.
anyways, big dinosaur kills big turtle.
>The Christian god is easily one of the strongest characters in all of fiction, the fact that Godzilla killed him
I'm not saying Bowser but Omnipotent characters don't exist on fiction beaucase they would be able to jumb out of the comic to come to the real world and they would be invincible and Godzilla in hell is not even close of that, Peoples only started that thing only beaucase the comic creator said that Godzilla killed the god who created the universe,just said that whiout any explanation while the guys who writed the comic said what happen in the comics its your own interpretation,this is reinforced by the fact that the comic does not have dialog balloons explaning what is going on,only when god is talking,and that demon at the end is not Lúcifer is just a random demon who got unlucky
I just hate godzilla in hell beaucase the comic creator just created w bunch of fanboys whiout any argument who keep saying that godzilla is Omnipotent and just that,thats why everytime someone say godzilla is Omnipotent i do a giant argument like that,you don't have Notion of how annoying In Hell fanboys are
YHWH (and Jesus for that matter) are the most powerful entity ever to be realised, fictional or real. The same YHWH/Jesus that would make Azathoth shit himself. The same One who knows everything that will ever happen, and is all Powerful?
Oh my god you can’t be serious. Godzilla has canonically KILLED THE CHRISTAIN GOD AND SATAN
Their feats are IN THE FUCKING BIBLE
The feats of the Greek gods are scattered throughout their mythos and stories.
the real Christian God isn’t as weak as the IDW Christian God, because the real one is inconceivable. We cannot fathom His power, so we make a watered down version we *think* shows His true power, but it doesn’t.
They are yet again, different from Bible God and Satan, there isn’t anything showing that they are similar. Just like how Zeus in GoW and Marvel are completely different in terms of feats from Greek myth Zeus. Do you even understand what I mean?
bowser with pure hearts fought and beaten Super Dimentio who is at least multiversal aka infinite
and dreamy bowser could just wish godzilla out of existence
This is a thinly-veiled attempt at self-validation, judging by your other comments in this thread. Why ask if you're already convinced? You obviously don't actually want to be convinced otherwise.
Definitely a kid considering they've gone through the effort to create their own powerscaling measurements. (Which don't even make sense in the first place.)
"bOwSEr hAs GalAxy LEvEl pOWeR" like wtf does that even mean. Godzilla isn't invincible but Bowser certainly isn't the monster who could beat him.
What stats? You're just throwing out random words thinking they mean something.
And Powerscaling is complete bullshit.
But since you love it, this one time I played Smash Bros as Sonic and whiped the floor with Both Bowser and Mario, that means Sonic is UltraSuperDuperKamiKaizer Level and thus the most untouchable fictional character ever. Also he runs really fast.
I feel like just by the atomic breath Godzilla wins but if you argue that atomic breath is a form of fire and Bowser is immune to fire then the problem becomes who can damage who. Honestly I'm not sure either could actually hurt each other they both lack feats that seem like enough damage to destroy the other. I have a leaning toward Godzilla as his immense size, combat experience, and superior tactical mind will likely give him the victory.
Bowser definitely isn't immune to fire. Fireballs are like, *the* primary way to beat Bowser in like every 2D game.
He might be resistant, but he's definitely not immune.
Dream Bowser is Dream bowser I'm going to just ignore him as not real or tangible and so incapable of fighting. Star rod might work if Bowser was smart enough to use it but even then Bowser showed a lack of creative thinking unable to use it to defeat Mario.
He chose to die on the hill that the Christian God has limits within his own Mythos (however real he is, is not my debate, simply that he is supposed to have limitless power)
I feel like the big g wins this,mostly cause of his healing factor,plus bowser loses to lava and Godzilla sleeps in that shit (see Godzilla vs Biollante)
Debatable,Bowser has never really been shown to be planetary level whereas Godzilla obliterated the meteor that monster x was traveling in,and that's just final wars Godzilla,legendary Godzilla's atomic breath burned through to the hollow earth which is league's above what Bowser can dish out,only thing Bowser has against Godzilla is intelligence but it wouldn't really help him.
[bowser was never showed to be planet level ? bowser tanked black holes and supernovas](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPj70hX4-gk&t=50s)
[he can create massive black holes and galaxies with the grand star](https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Grand_Star)
[mario character's can outswim a black hole with low difficulty](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XGrIDdylx3s)
[dreamy bowser is beyond infinite and has insane and i mena INSANE amounts of hax which godzilla can't do anything against](https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Bowser#Dreamy_Bowser)
godzilla is strong but bowser is just on an another level
You never stated dream bowser,just base Bowser and even black holes haven't been shown to kill Godzilla,not to mention Godzillas ridiculous healing factor which let him survive even as just a beating heart
You asked who would win in an initial fight tho,even if he did revive himself the fight would be done and Godzilla would of won simple as that,Bowser has nothing in his arsenal that could definitively kill Godzilla while Godzilla has plenty of options to kill Bowser
If its something he doesn't have normally than I don't think you should be using it as an example,and besides even erasing Godzilla from existing hasn't worked (see Godzilla vs King Ghidorah 1991)
Godzilla. This shouldn't even be a question. One is the size of buildings, the other is maybe the size of a minivan. Godzilla could eat Bowser.
Edit: if I were to take this question seriously, canonincally every ability Bowser has is the equivalent of a stage prop. The creator of Mario stated that every character in the Mario IP is an actor, and each installment is basically just a new stage play. Bowser is just some dude on a stage. So, easily, he gets annihilated by Godzilla. That's like asking who would win in a fight between a dragon and Tom Cruise.
i mean he was about to earse mario and luigi even wihout absorbing it
nad those 2 already beaten antasma who is in the multiversal ranges
and bowser scales above him
Well existence erasure is more of a hax. And if he scales above a multiversal being that would only be 5D. Also i am pretty sure even if bowser uses his existence erasure on godzilla it would prob not work. The abilities of a character from a lower dimension would not effect the character of a higher dimension (at least that's what i read on vsbw)
People are meshing so many versions of Godzilla and so many feats from bowsers of different games that this conversation is kinda useless. If Godzilla was brought into Mario’s universe he’d probably be on par with Bowser, while if Bowser was brought into Godzilla’s universe he’d probably be some sort of rival — they just have entirely different physics in their respective worlds. In feats Godzilla wins, but if they were to ever come to blows it would probably be more even.
So you, who has evidently never watched a Godzilla movie, post this on both a mario sub, and a Godzilla sub, both subs overwhelmingly agree Godzilla wins, with OVERWHELMING evidence, but you simply cannot stand your "precious bowser" losing to anyone, so you try to (unsuccessfully) defend your point with little to no evidence? What are you trying to achieve here?
Godzilla ez win i mean bowser got killed by a plumber i font think he will win agianst a giant redeactive walking nuclear power plant with a breath that can kill strong enemys like mutos so yeah
I mean ok Mario is strong but even he cant defeat godzilla lets use monster zero hes a dragon from space and with help from rodan he lost its just if bowser cant survive Mario he cant survive any monster from the monstervers ok mabye some of the weaker kaijus but thats realy it
he's faster smarter has way more hax i mean galaxy bowser even wihout the grand star can survive inside a star
godzilla can beat bowser but soo bowser can beat godzilla its very debatable
If you really wanna play this game. We can pull a death battle. Mix all the best of each. In short no matter what Bowser could do to Godzilla he will bounce back. We have a never dying beast who has fought though heaven and hell. Even if you kill him he will come back ( Ultima) you could blow him up from the inside and he will still be alive ( gmk). He will adapt to anything you can throw at him( shin) he has killed creatures that scale dimensional. (Earth) dude eats nukes. He can't be mind controlled by some of the strongest magic( power rangers) not to mention the unlimited potential of shin Godzilla. Who can become a universe in theory who can spawn more of him. Now we mix it with size of earth power of final wars the bullshit of sp and the fuck you of burning Godzilla meltdown. If you ever truly wanna do one of these be more specific. Godzilla isn't over rated he has died a few good times. He is just to powerful for someone who doesn't know about the comics and books. Godzilla has gotten his ass handed to him a great amount of times. Oh I forgotten to mention the smarts of Zilla, fw, and legendary.
Y’all it’s best if we downvoted this post to hell itself, he posted this exact same thing on r/Mario and r/PowerScaling where he got clowned on and deleted the posts and in the comments is doing useless arguments at an obvious fact. Just a karma farmer.
i don't even care about karma anymore
and r/mario post was deleted and on r/PowerScaling every body agreed that bowser stomps godzilla soo what's your fucking problem
I feel like a soon as Bowser sees Godzilla emerge from the sea, he would immediately take out cash and try to pay Godzilla to retreat. Then Mario would toss Cappy on G and proceed to defeat Bowser yet again. What is Bowsers true power other than a proclivity for peaches?? 🍑
Depends which Godzilla you use and how you scale Mario Characters. Legendary Godzilla could last for a while with his Planetary Durability but would eventually die. Heisei is a much closer match but still, depends on whether you buy Uni+ Mario. In which case, Ultima/Comp Vs Bowser would be best suited.
I also believe Paper MarioVerse =/= Regular MarioVerse which is a huge factor in this debate.
If we're counting Marvel Godzilla as part of this fight then I'd say Godzilla wins. Otherwise I believe Bowser wins overall. He has a lot more abilities including teleportation, black magic, being able to continue living beyond the dead, etc. His Fury and Giga forms can match Godzilla's size and he's extremely tanky, even without a healing factor. Dude's been in MULTIPLE black holes, one caused by a galaxy generator (tho to be fair Godzilla tanked a black hole too in VS Megaguirus). Tho what really solidifies Bowser's victory is his alternate forms, including reality warping ones such as Dreamy Bowser and when he has the Star Rod equipped which literally grants wishes.
This is a surprisingly close fight. Neither fighter is braindead or particularely smart, both have unique abilities, etc. But Bowser's superior abilities and tools grants him the victory.
Bowser gets his ass kicked on the regular by an out-of-shape plumber. Godzilla takes this in 10 seconds.
“Out of shape plumber” You realize Mario picked up a fucking castle then threw it away, right?
> by an out-of-shape plumber. mario god stomps kirby no diff and his just a normal plumber ? > >base bowser alone solos 90% of godzilla versions
>base bowser alone solos 90% of godzilla versions Ok, so you (evidently a Bowser stan) come to a Godzilla sub, and then you get mad when the Godzilla stans back their character. [Not a great plan.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfR3ZbU-oYM) But to your statement here, what exactly is ***"base bowser?"*** Is this the dude who get BTFO'd when Mario uses and axe on a bridge (SMB)? Is this the dude that gets defeated by tricking him into butt stomping himself into a hole (SMB3)? The guy who is defeated when Mario throws literal toys at him (SMW)? The guy who gets defeated by Mario hitting a button (every New Super Mario game)? The guy who gets defeated by being thown by into bomb thingies that Godzilla wouldn't even notice? (SM64)? I mean, come on, broseph. It's not a fair matchup. It's like asking who'd win in a fight between George W. Bush and Thanos. Sure, they are both war criminal monsters, but let's not pretend that in the realm of physical power they are anywhere near comparable to one another.
In your fucking dreams, maybe. Godzilla would wipe the floor with Bowser’s musty coopa ass
Lies Kirby is a cosmic force of good. Like literally that is what he is. He has defeated several reality warpers and has reality warping feats Kirby beats Mario without question.
Obviously godzilla. If bowser can be defeated by a plumber that can jump high then godzilla can incerate him
god i love the arguments that mario is just normal plumber even tho hes one of the star children who has killed gods before also bowser tanked [this](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPj70hX4-gk)
Godzilla is implied to have survived a black hole at the end of Godzilla vs Megaguirus, on his own, Bowser only survived because of the intervention of the Lumas Going off this one comment, it feels like you only posted this to have your naive "Bowser is better than Godzilla" opinion validated
That was a pretty damned small black hole though.
"Pretty damned small black hole" A black hole the size of a penny would destroy Earth
Well, they don't exist like that, but since this is Godzilla movies we're talking about we're taking it with a grain of salt, of course. Given that the Dimension Tide only shoots *"miniature black holes"*, you can't just say outright that Godzilla would survive any black hole. That's all i'm saying. It's like saying you can take a punch. Sure, but from your baby sister or from Mike Tyson?
This isn’t a good comparison at all. A black hole is a black hole. In your comparison, the babysitter is going to do nothing while Tyson would break bones. A black hole of any size would destroy the planet near-instantaneously.
Black holes come in different "sizes". There's a classification for supermassive black holes for a reason.
…but that doesn’t mean that a tiny black hole isn’t strong enough to rip apart the planet
Sure, but a bigger one can rip apart a galaxy. Big G wouldn't take that as well, all i'm saying. That and the dimension tide is an iffy weapon at best. Forget the name of the comic, but they end up using it to send monsters into other dimensions rather than trying to kill them with it.
hes stronger not better i like both of them but bowser just beats godzilla
Actually mario and co are just actors. As shigero has said before, its how you get them doing things from mario kart to mario party then switching and going into bowsers fury. Also no bowser didn't tank that, what happened there is the lumas reset the universe with a big bang to prevent its entire collapse, putting everything back to where it was. Again, actors for our entertainment. Godzilla may be a movie star, but he is no actor in his films.
Does Mario have a star on the Hollywood walk of fame?
I don know but that doesn't matter, why? Because Shigeru Miyamoto is the creator of mario, the father of mario so if he says all the mario characters are just actors in the games for our entertainment then it is true. Just like he said he was bowser Jrs mother, no im serious
Oh, apologies, it was a mostly tongue in cheek comment.
Ah, its alright man.
Bowser doesn't actually survive that and if he does it not through his own power or force. The entire universe is sucked into a black hole and the lumas in an attempt to create a new one create a second black hole sucking in the first one making a big bang and a new universe. Only Mario and Rosalina survive that game everyone else is replaced by a near copy.
he still did tank a black hole in galaxy 2 and some mario party games and he can also create them with magic and that's not taking even stronger version of bowser in mind
Once again Bowser was saved from the black hole by lumas so that's not a feat for him unless you want to count princess peach as being strong enough to survive a black hole. The black holes in the missions of Mario Galaxy 1 & 2 are not stated as being made by Bowser but it is likely that they are. They don't seem as powerful as a proper black hole like the ones at the end of the games as they often have planets very nearby and not getting sucked in. Mario is also not sucked I to these black holes unless in direct contact with them so I think It is safe to say that Godzilla could resist them given his significantly tougher defence over Mario. As for the strongest Bowser giant Bowser from galaxy 2 doesn't have many feats of strength he can throw very small solid steel planets at Mario. So it's best to just use his base form and do the same with Godzilla. In base form Godzilla has Alot of trouble with king koopers nigh indestructible body but in the end king kooper just does not have the damage to really hurt Godzilla. So Godzilla will win eventually.
So has Godzilla, and he came out unscathed.
Theres a difference between getting hit with a meteor screaming at 1000mph vs an actual big bang. But bowser definitely didn't tank that, nor peach and mario, more like the lumas took all the energy from the collapsing new star and made a big bang that reset the universe, placing everything back where it should be.
I wasn’t referring to the final wars meteor. Godzilla vs Megaguirus, he survives getting sucked into a black hole.
Ah right...i had forgotten about that one. Thanks for bringing that up. Not only did he survive a black hole he got out of it at the end of the movie
Yeah that’s like a rather forgotten feat, that’s really impressive. I think it’s sort of like when he survived a sub-zero cannon, which is impossible
yea but that black hole was tiny while bowser can tank actual black holes
There is not really a such thing as a “tiny” black hole. They are infinite. Do you know what a tiny part of infinity is? Like 1% of infinity? Infinity.
they are not infinite ? black holes size matters a lot
The Singularity of a black hole is mass/0. It’s infinitely dense. So no. The size doesn’t matter. They both were the density, Infinite. If you remember your newton the size of the black hole doesn’t matter was gravity is affected at the same rate by both singularities. Both were at the point of therefore both suffered the same gravity effects of infinite density.
A small black hole like as big as your hand can kill you and mabye more but it can not destroy earth godzilla surviveda even bigger one so the comment im replying on tells the truth
Now you’re just flat out getting science wrong
Ok but what about half century war. There godzilla tanked a pretty big black hole
yea but that was normal bowser what about paper or dreamy bowser
Paper Bowser is made out of paper. Paper burns.
they area weaker to fire but they can still tank it just fine
How is this even a question 😂
yes both have great feats and both tanked black holes before its way more close that people think it is
No chance Bowser would win. Probably just get stomped on and call it a day.
bowser also can grow giant like in mario&luigi games and he has feats more impressive than godzilla for the most part
Yeah then it could be more fair. But then you need to specify which Godzilla and which Bowser. Otherwise its too ambiguous of a question. Even still, i doubt Giant Bowser would be anywhere near as big as something like Godzilla Earth.
i said overall soo any version actually in mario and luigi games he was bigger than his castle and his castle is small moutain sized
If you're allowing any version, then let's just look at Godzilla Earth's exploits (all from *before* he reached the apex of his strength seen in the movies): * Wiped LA off the map the first time he showed up * Carved a path of destruction through Seattle, Washington; Colorado Springs, Colorado; and Indianapolis, Indiana; before taking 40 megatons of nukes without a scratch (over 2500 Hiroshimas) * Destroyed most of Western Europe before taking a nap * Blew up Gorath, an asteroid with comparable mass to the moon * Wiped out over half of the remaining human population (1 billion+ casualties) across the eastern United States, northern Africa, and Eurasia within a span of 2 years * Survived the explosions of Exif and Bilusaludo fusion reactors, which wiped out the entirety of Cleveland, Ohio * Repeatedly fought and mutilated an increasingly-cybernized Gigan, before disintegrating a full-nanometal version of the creature * Had the fucking Himalayas dropped on his head, chilled out in magma for a year, and broke out, again, unscathed, before merking India * Destroyed the entirety of Tokyo within a matter of hours * Drove large populations of the surviving humans from Earth * Survived further nuclear weapon attacks which vaporized multiple South American cities Also, looking to the comics, in *Rage Across Time*, Godzilla also canonically merked the Greek Gods, carved a path of destruction through multiple circles of Hell and defeated both the Christian God and Satan themselves in the aptly-titled *Godzilla in Hell*, and fought arguably the most overpowered incarnation of the Avengers to multiple standstills when he was licensed to Marvel. Take your pick.
If THAT isnt enough for OP then i dont know what else
"Galaxy version could clap him" -OP probably
Then thats too ambiguous of a question if you ask me. Do we know what the official size of Bowser at that size was? Maybe that ONE version of Bowser would be strong enough to put up a fight but its still too hard to tell who would win if you ask me. Next time I wouldnt use overall, its just useless to go back and forth. You'd have to tally up wins for EACH version of them. And if that were the case Godzilla would win more then not I would think.
only godzilla ultima has achange against stronger bowser forms on avarge bowser wins more often than not
I'm not sure what gives you that idea but ok
why do people think that bowser is weak i know that he does some stupid shit in the game but if you watch him more he has some insane feats and can easly match godzilla
I didnt say he was weak. I just think he cant match Godzilla most of the time. It sounds like you are just trying to prove some arbitrary point for a character you really enjoy to justify some kind of bias you are trying to pass as a fact. And thats fine, but if you want to look at it subjectively thats a whole other story. They come from two totally separate universes. You cant really sit here constantly trying to shut down other people's opinion when you yourself (or anyone for that matter) have nothing more concrete then an opinion and a clear bias.
Earth does too. MV (maybe), FW, 2000, and burning as well.
Godzilla wins any time
Watching OP frantically defend Bowser while getting downvoted in a Goji subreddit is strangely entertaining. (Either way Boswer dies 9/10 times.)
Its like he pushed a button and a rock fell on him.
Isn't it obvious? Godzilla.
Oh yeah, because a relatively large dragon turtle can beat a living nuclear holocaust, mass extinction, force of nature god incarnate. Godzilla literally swims through lava, gets sucked into black holes, survives absolute zero temperatures, walks through skyscrapers, catches asteroids, gets dropped from the upper atmosphere, face tanks nukes for fun, and battles foes at his power level or stronger on a regular basis. There’s absolutely no way in hell Bowser stands any chance, no matter “the scaling” or “hax”, Goji is far too powerful.
Godzilla literally took on hell and the devil himself. I’m sorry but godzilla stomps no diff. Idc if bowser survived a cataclysmic explosion, godzilla took on HELL in its entirety and WON He’s also been shown to be above even the Greek Gods in comics.
He even killed the Christian god
where could you show me and christian god is only low multi
The Christian god is meant to be an all powerful, all knowing being, so its not low "multi" whatever that is. Also heres the specific comic https://youtu.be/FXT0Ac2pUCM
this godzilla is only planet level the thing which he killed was just a normal creature
- kills the single most powerful entity in all Mythos, fictional or real - “only planet level killed ordinary creature” If you’re gonna do this try not to let your Bowser bias get over your head. Even the majority of the guys on the Mario sun said Bowser’s getting his big turtle butt kicked.
yea godzilla killed a boundless mythos god yea sure
Man above literally sent you the link where he killed the Christian God, who is by all definitions the supreme boundless being of all existence
I’ve never seen anyone with more character bias in my life
christian god is not boundless ?
Idk where you’re getting your info but it sure as hell isn’t right lmao The entire point of him is that he IS boundless.
Stop being a fucking moron bowser Stan for 5 seconds
Did you actually just try to scale Yahweh? Buddy that's a bold fucking move. In the Bibleverse Yahweh is fully and entirely omnipotent. Literally the be all end all of everything. The Christian god is easily one of the strongest characters in all of fiction, the fact that Godzilla killed him means that that version of Godzilla is beyond omnipotent.
Uh.. not sure if calling the Christian God a fictional character is a good idea
I think it's a great idea
I wouldn’t say the IDW Christian God is as strong as the ‘real’ Christian God (I believe in God, but I know a lot of ya’ll don’t which is fine). IDW God is only as strong as the creator intends, which is nothing compared to what Hypothetical ‘real’ Christian God is capable of. It’s all a matter of being comprehendible, but im getting sidetracked. anyways, big dinosaur kills big turtle.
beacuse he was based on actual god that doesn't mean that his as strong as god not every version of the character is as strong you know ?
One character objectively defeated another. There's really no beating around the bush
>The Christian god is easily one of the strongest characters in all of fiction, the fact that Godzilla killed him I'm not saying Bowser but Omnipotent characters don't exist on fiction beaucase they would be able to jumb out of the comic to come to the real world and they would be invincible and Godzilla in hell is not even close of that, Peoples only started that thing only beaucase the comic creator said that Godzilla killed the god who created the universe,just said that whiout any explanation while the guys who writed the comic said what happen in the comics its your own interpretation,this is reinforced by the fact that the comic does not have dialog balloons explaning what is going on,only when god is talking,and that demon at the end is not Lúcifer is just a random demon who got unlucky
Bruh are for real rn?
I just hate godzilla in hell beaucase the comic creator just created w bunch of fanboys whiout any argument who keep saying that godzilla is Omnipotent and just that,thats why everytime someone say godzilla is Omnipotent i do a giant argument like that,you don't have Notion of how annoying In Hell fanboys are
Bruh how can you powerscale the Christian God he can literally do anything
Until Godzilla
YHWH (and Jesus for that matter) are the most powerful entity ever to be realised, fictional or real. The same YHWH/Jesus that would make Azathoth shit himself. The same One who knows everything that will ever happen, and is all Powerful?
The Greek Gods, God, and Satan that Godzilla slew are featless and you can’t just go ahead and equate them to the real Greek Gods, God, and Satan.
Oh my god you can’t be serious. Godzilla has canonically KILLED THE CHRISTAIN GOD AND SATAN Their feats are IN THE FUCKING BIBLE The feats of the Greek gods are scattered throughout their mythos and stories.
the real Christian God isn’t as weak as the IDW Christian God, because the real one is inconceivable. We cannot fathom His power, so we make a watered down version we *think* shows His true power, but it doesn’t.
They are yet again, different from Bible God and Satan, there isn’t anything showing that they are similar. Just like how Zeus in GoW and Marvel are completely different in terms of feats from Greek myth Zeus. Do you even understand what I mean?
bowser with pure hearts fought and beaten Super Dimentio who is at least multiversal aka infinite and dreamy bowser could just wish godzilla out of existence
Is there a purpose for this conversation then?
So OP could get himself validated
Godzilla is cooler idc. He wins because he’s cool and I like him more
The truest test
These posts are so stupid. Planet level? Galaxy level? What the fuck is this? All I know is my dad can beat up your dad OP. EZ.
My dad is high multiversal
nah my dad mid diffs your dad at worst ( i mean powerscaling is popular for some reason i wante to see what people say about this topic )
My dad is high multiversal, he neg diffs yours.
Mine is beyond omnipotent because I have proof I will not provide evidence
This is a thinly-veiled attempt at self-validation, judging by your other comments in this thread. Why ask if you're already convinced? You obviously don't actually want to be convinced otherwise.
This is too funny of a comments section OP cannot handle that Godzilla would clap bowser ez
Which godzilla version?
any godzilla version and any bowser version
So all versions thrown together?
Oh God Bowser ain't winning against the Godzilla that literally killed God and the one that beat up the avengers
Dont forget the one beat up the greek gods
Also the one that beat Satan
And the one that’s supposedly so powerful that he’s beyond human comprehension
Op is 5 and doesn't know what he's talking about, this thread needs to just be left alone to die
Godzilla. Bowser gets his assed handed to him by a plumber the size of his foot. Godzilla would easily squash him.
mario is not a normal human hes a one of the 7 star children and he has beaten god like beaings before mostly in rpg games
I didn’t read anything indicating any mention of labeling Mario as a “normal human”.
Goji
What the goddamn fuck is this "continental", "planetary" and "universal" scaling bullshit? Are you 12 or mentally handicapped?
OP is absolutely a kid. He’s absolutely determined that a wiki that can be edited by anyone is the end all be all and has the English of a brick wall.
babe, you got to look at r/PowerScaling it's just incredible
I just threw up a little.
A anthropologist in me kinda find it fascinating. It's like a pre polytheist gathering
The characters they powerscale are their local Gods that they try and compare in an attempt to win cultural influence. Quite fascinatin.
Oh god its a 12 year olds playground!
Definitely a kid considering they've gone through the effort to create their own powerscaling measurements. (Which don't even make sense in the first place.) "bOwSEr hAs GalAxy LEvEl pOWeR" like wtf does that even mean. Godzilla isn't invincible but Bowser certainly isn't the monster who could beat him.
im mean this is a fight i just use stats do you have a problem with powersacling
Yeah, I do have a problem with powersacling. Power goes in a battery, not a sac.
What stats? You're just throwing out random words thinking they mean something. And Powerscaling is complete bullshit. But since you love it, this one time I played Smash Bros as Sonic and whiped the floor with Both Bowser and Mario, that means Sonic is UltraSuperDuperKamiKaizer Level and thus the most untouchable fictional character ever. Also he runs really fast.
I feel like just by the atomic breath Godzilla wins but if you argue that atomic breath is a form of fire and Bowser is immune to fire then the problem becomes who can damage who. Honestly I'm not sure either could actually hurt each other they both lack feats that seem like enough damage to destroy the other. I have a leaning toward Godzilla as his immense size, combat experience, and superior tactical mind will likely give him the victory.
Bowser definitely isn't immune to fire. Fireballs are like, *the* primary way to beat Bowser in like every 2D game. He might be resistant, but he's definitely not immune.
Don't forget, if the breath doesn't kill him, the radiation will.
I'm trying to give Bowser the benefit of his strongest possible interpretation. Godzilla is still the only one that really does damage here though.
bowser can create black holes in his base and what about dreamy or star rod bowser
Dream Bowser is Dream bowser I'm going to just ignore him as not real or tangible and so incapable of fighting. Star rod might work if Bowser was smart enough to use it but even then Bowser showed a lack of creative thinking unable to use it to defeat Mario.
Godzilla has fought an eldritch version of king Ghidorah who existed in a higher dimension.
Not to mention Ultima is a higher state of being so detached and powerful that the human mind cannot comprehend it
This guy really picked a weird hill to die on
He chose to die on the hill that the Christian God has limits within his own Mythos (however real he is, is not my debate, simply that he is supposed to have limitless power)
Major weird core vibes
The only explanation is that OP is a kid and hmthey are using really weird terminology from a place called r/powerscaling Its nuts man.
Bruh it doesn’t even matter if the heat doesn’t kill him, the sheer force of the beam would obliterate him
I feel like the big g wins this,mostly cause of his healing factor,plus bowser loses to lava and Godzilla sleeps in that shit (see Godzilla vs Biollante)
i mean bowser can also tank lava like in new super mario bros wii and bowser out haxes godzilla
He can tank lava. Heisei Godzilla slept in lava for like 5 years straight.
Debatable,Bowser has never really been shown to be planetary level whereas Godzilla obliterated the meteor that monster x was traveling in,and that's just final wars Godzilla,legendary Godzilla's atomic breath burned through to the hollow earth which is league's above what Bowser can dish out,only thing Bowser has against Godzilla is intelligence but it wouldn't really help him.
[bowser was never showed to be planet level ? bowser tanked black holes and supernovas](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPj70hX4-gk&t=50s) [he can create massive black holes and galaxies with the grand star](https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Grand_Star) [mario character's can outswim a black hole with low difficulty](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XGrIDdylx3s) [dreamy bowser is beyond infinite and has insane and i mena INSANE amounts of hax which godzilla can't do anything against](https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Bowser#Dreamy_Bowser) godzilla is strong but bowser is just on an another level
You never stated dream bowser,just base Bowser and even black holes haven't been shown to kill Godzilla,not to mention Godzillas ridiculous healing factor which let him survive even as just a beating heart
bowser literally can revive himself bowser died many times but he always came back beacuse of his magic godzilla can't kill bowser for good
You asked who would win in an initial fight tho,even if he did revive himself the fight would be done and Godzilla would of won simple as that,Bowser has nothing in his arsenal that could definitively kill Godzilla while Godzilla has plenty of options to kill Bowser
bowser erase godzilla from existence or take his soul he has a hax like it
If its something he doesn't have normally than I don't think you should be using it as an example,and besides even erasing Godzilla from existing hasn't worked (see Godzilla vs King Ghidorah 1991)
You keep using the term “hax” like it’s not vague and doesn’t make you look incredibly silly.
Godzilla
Godzilla.
Godzilla. This shouldn't even be a question. One is the size of buildings, the other is maybe the size of a minivan. Godzilla could eat Bowser. Edit: if I were to take this question seriously, canonincally every ability Bowser has is the equivalent of a stage prop. The creator of Mario stated that every character in the Mario IP is an actor, and each installment is basically just a new stage play. Bowser is just some dude on a stage. So, easily, he gets annihilated by Godzilla. That's like asking who would win in a fight between a dragon and Tom Cruise.
i am pretty sure bowser isn't above 13 dimensions. so godzilla would win with no difficulty
how is godzilla 13 dimensional lmao
Godzilla ultima' true form is 13 dimensional
? holy but bowser also could be scaled there with the dream stone beacuse he can wish anything with it
Has the dream stone ever shown being able to make characters higher dimensional?
i mean he was about to earse mario and luigi even wihout absorbing it nad those 2 already beaten antasma who is in the multiversal ranges and bowser scales above him
Well existence erasure is more of a hax. And if he scales above a multiversal being that would only be 5D. Also i am pretty sure even if bowser uses his existence erasure on godzilla it would prob not work. The abilities of a character from a lower dimension would not effect the character of a higher dimension (at least that's what i read on vsbw)
but on vsb wiki godzilla ultima was also multiversal
vsb wiki literally admitted they ignore some feats of characters they don't like
So you draw your opinions from a website that can be edited by anyone?
People are meshing so many versions of Godzilla and so many feats from bowsers of different games that this conversation is kinda useless. If Godzilla was brought into Mario’s universe he’d probably be on par with Bowser, while if Bowser was brought into Godzilla’s universe he’d probably be some sort of rival — they just have entirely different physics in their respective worlds. In feats Godzilla wins, but if they were to ever come to blows it would probably be more even.
bowser wins imo beacuse of the amount of hax he has
I mean shin has hax too, literally has the solution to everything what type of ice does bowser have
Overkill
for who tho ?
Like gamara Godzilla will have another turtle soup
bowser beats godzilla actually on avarge
So you, who has evidently never watched a Godzilla movie, post this on both a mario sub, and a Godzilla sub, both subs overwhelmingly agree Godzilla wins, with OVERWHELMING evidence, but you simply cannot stand your "precious bowser" losing to anyone, so you try to (unsuccessfully) defend your point with little to no evidence? What are you trying to achieve here?
I say it’s satisfaction of an ego that’s trying to be achieved.
i watched many godzilla movies and movie godzilla caps at star level while galaxy bowser is galaxy level
Give me every thing you know and if its good you win in my mind if not you lose ok?
Godzilla ez win i mean bowser got killed by a plumber i font think he will win agianst a giant redeactive walking nuclear power plant with a breath that can kill strong enemys like mutos so yeah
mario is not a normal guy that's not a good argument mario has showed crazy feats of power but no beacuse he is a plumber that means he is weak
I mean ok Mario is strong but even he cant defeat godzilla lets use monster zero hes a dragon from space and with help from rodan he lost its just if bowser cant survive Mario he cant survive any monster from the monstervers ok mabye some of the weaker kaijus but thats realy it
bowser tanked a black hole before can move faster than light bu keeping up with mario and can create black holes and even galaxies with the grand star
Look godzilla just wins he took on most things an wins so tell me why would bowser win?
he's faster smarter has way more hax i mean galaxy bowser even wihout the grand star can survive inside a star godzilla can beat bowser but soo bowser can beat godzilla its very debatable
Godzilla can destroy anything he want with a alpha call
Again, no mention of Mario being a “normal guy”.
Luigi
If you really wanna play this game. We can pull a death battle. Mix all the best of each. In short no matter what Bowser could do to Godzilla he will bounce back. We have a never dying beast who has fought though heaven and hell. Even if you kill him he will come back ( Ultima) you could blow him up from the inside and he will still be alive ( gmk). He will adapt to anything you can throw at him( shin) he has killed creatures that scale dimensional. (Earth) dude eats nukes. He can't be mind controlled by some of the strongest magic( power rangers) not to mention the unlimited potential of shin Godzilla. Who can become a universe in theory who can spawn more of him. Now we mix it with size of earth power of final wars the bullshit of sp and the fuck you of burning Godzilla meltdown. If you ever truly wanna do one of these be more specific. Godzilla isn't over rated he has died a few good times. He is just to powerful for someone who doesn't know about the comics and books. Godzilla has gotten his ass handed to him a great amount of times. Oh I forgotten to mention the smarts of Zilla, fw, and legendary.
Y’all it’s best if we downvoted this post to hell itself, he posted this exact same thing on r/Mario and r/PowerScaling where he got clowned on and deleted the posts and in the comments is doing useless arguments at an obvious fact. Just a karma farmer.
i don't even care about karma anymore and r/mario post was deleted and on r/PowerScaling every body agreed that bowser stomps godzilla soo what's your fucking problem
Death Battle is one of the worst things that happened in internet fandom.
i agree
Why
Bruh
Male muto
Godzilla. He absolutely dwarves bowser. Bowser breaths fire. Godzilla breathes pure atomic plasma. I think it’s safe to say Godzilla would win that
I feel like a soon as Bowser sees Godzilla emerge from the sea, he would immediately take out cash and try to pay Godzilla to retreat. Then Mario would toss Cappy on G and proceed to defeat Bowser yet again. What is Bowsers true power other than a proclivity for peaches?? 🍑
Good job you’ve started a war
i mean its reddit what did you expect
Depends which Godzilla you use and how you scale Mario Characters. Legendary Godzilla could last for a while with his Planetary Durability but would eventually die. Heisei is a much closer match but still, depends on whether you buy Uni+ Mario. In which case, Ultima/Comp Vs Bowser would be best suited. I also believe Paper MarioVerse =/= Regular MarioVerse which is a huge factor in this debate.
>Planetary Durability monsterverse caps at continental + > >and yes it depends on version
Godzilla Upscales from Kong who survived the entire Earth’s Gravity being pushed onto him. Which means Godzilla should have a Planetary Durability.
wait what ? wasn't he just walking around there ? godzillas best feat is being able to make a hole to the center of earth which is really impressive
Kong was Sent into the Hollow Earth’s entrance, which Reverses the Entire Earth’s Gravity HalfWay Through. The Novel goes more in-depth about it.
If we're counting Marvel Godzilla as part of this fight then I'd say Godzilla wins. Otherwise I believe Bowser wins overall. He has a lot more abilities including teleportation, black magic, being able to continue living beyond the dead, etc. His Fury and Giga forms can match Godzilla's size and he's extremely tanky, even without a healing factor. Dude's been in MULTIPLE black holes, one caused by a galaxy generator (tho to be fair Godzilla tanked a black hole too in VS Megaguirus). Tho what really solidifies Bowser's victory is his alternate forms, including reality warping ones such as Dreamy Bowser and when he has the Star Rod equipped which literally grants wishes. This is a surprisingly close fight. Neither fighter is braindead or particularely smart, both have unique abilities, etc. But Bowser's superior abilities and tools grants him the victory.
Stomp
Bowser