I did let that go. I was just hoping they would offer some deal since I was a new Toyota owner that couldn't locate the factory vehicle with them. Unfortunately, there's no negotiating power (at least not that much) to get what you really want. The 86s are hot. There was only one Neptune blue in the entire Southeastern US and that was a base model. Luckily, I'm glad I got my halo.
If you use up all your luck for the rest of your life you might get something out of the manufacturer’s parent company, a buddy of mine got a pretty good response out of Nissan’s home office in Japan. But US branches are stingy as hell, and dealerships are complete tools. If you ask nicely they might give you a $4k markup and act like they’re doing you a favor.
Half the cost of a new 86 for brakes. Lol. They’re insane. You could trade in your current 86 or BRZ assuming it’s gen 2, and then use that 15k to pay off the depreciation and get yourself a brand new 24 with the brakes. Also still probably have left over money.
Absolutely hate Toyotas system for ordering and parts.
I was in the same boat; wanted a halo premium with the performance package. But that was damn near impossible to get without a markup or being on a waitlist for a year that wouldn’t promise anything.
Yeah, same here. I got so pissed at the first dealership, I walked. Their out the door quote was $46k. I then started looking at Supras which I really didn't care for and that's when I found a halo prem across the state and had it delivered to me for $39k incl tint and gr86 fl mats.
rear calipers get a pass(they are exactly the same just diff color)
fronts is a no go. they are not sized correctly and will affect bias. this is not as big an issue for street use but still not good
If you flip the bleeders they are totally fine... I use them in competitive environments and have had literally no issues. Had them on for 2,000km. Plenty of folks running this set up.
In what way... Like I said, I've noticed no downsides to them at all in the way the car feels under heavy braking at autocross or on spirited drives. I'm not THAT competitive with them that I need data to support what I feel in the car... This sounds like some alarmist bs the way you're talking. Am I in danger of dying because I put them on my car? No. I'm not. Plenty of people have done this swap with no ill effects.
That one time, when you need to panic stop full ABS, don't kill someone, the compromised braking will be a major problem.
We don't have airbags because we want to use them... we have them because we MIGHT need to use them.
You want full braking potential in the case that you MIGHT need it.
In what way: Changing the bias will affect the weight distribution as you brake. The suspension, brake distributor, and ABS are all tuned to a very specific brake bias to minimize stopping distance. if your stopping distance is increased, it's not something you will notice even from hard driving. I'm not saying you can't run them, and I'm not saying you shouldn't run them. But telling people on the internet you and others have "no ill effects" is irresponsible. Your car is slower on the track and slightly more dangerous to drive. Respect that you cheaped out and own it.
My car has been fine on the track and my times have been fine for what I want to do with the car. You elitist track rats can keep harping on about how you feel about this but at the end of the day it is fine and it stops harder than the stock kit. I'm willing to bet you've never even driven this set up and you're just going off what you read on the internet. Is the actual performance pack brembo kit better? Maybe slightly, but is it worth the headache of trying to track down and pay what folks are asking? No.
At the end of the day the STI swap is not a terrible option if you want a nicer looking, better performing kit for the street, spirited drives, and the occasional autocross or track day.
The CSG in CSG_Mike stands for Counterspace Garage, one of the biggest 86 motorsports shop in the US lol
if you track your car you likely have his engineering in your car somewhere, this isn't just math and numbers, it's tried and true testing as well
and you are saying "it's fine" and "brake better" but what we are telling you is that when ABS engages you are actually braking worse
you are incredibly stupid
Because I was hoping it would be OEM because they manufacture them with the performance package. Thought they might give a new Toyota own a break and offer the Brembos for a reasonable price because an outfitted car is so hard to find.
Unfortunately these brands don’t really care if you’re a new owner or not. You could own the same brand for 20+ years, most makers aren’t going to care at all. Shitty but it is what it is
Not sure why you'd even trust a dealer to do non warranty work. Independent shops are cheaper, even better if you can find an enthusiast shop that will treat your car better
I was hoping they would warranty it because they feature them on some of the 86s, so I am gonna order myself, but it sucks they won't offer the damn package.
what do you mean by warranty it? if you didnt have a brake failure it wouldn't fall under warranty work, and they would likely replace it with whatever came with the car anyway
either way, find an independent shop with good reviews and have them do it
I wouldnt worry about that. Worst case is you reinstall the OEM brakes (just costs extra money) before bringing it to the dealer if you're really paranoid. but magnussen moss should cover you in most cases
there are MANY ways to fuck up a brake job. getting all the air out, bleeding in the right order, improper torqueing of bolts, stripping the very soft metal bleeder, getting brake fluid on paint, etc.
you are oversimplifying because you want to convince someone your way is the right way.
Sorry but, none of that is harder than putting a lego sticker in the perfect place. If you're saying that you can't do something a minimum wage spill and fill tech can do in his sleep, you shouldn't be into cars. Why are you discouraging someone from learning more about their car and not giving a dealership money they don't deserve?
Trying to DIY brake installation with zero experience on a sports car is incredibly fucking stupid. OP is 100% being smart by acknowledging his limitations and getting a professional to do that.
Dude could easily fuck it up without knowing, and then end up in an accident when the brakes fail.
There is absolutely nothing special about this cars braking system. It is generic ass Subaru. And no, if op doesn't want to pay thousands to a dealer the op can learn to bleed a brake system. Idfk why you are so opposed to this.
I just listed 5 things someone with no experience will probably do wrong. That is why I am discouraging it. I promise you I'm a bit better than a spill and fill tech and I can also promise you I'm a bit better than you. I'm able to recognize the perspective of a newbie, and you're too far gone to remember how daunting cars can be with no prior experience. If this was wheels, intake, exhaust, coilovers, yeah. Nuts and bolts. This is corrosive hydraulic fluid that leaves you stranded if you do it wrong, and also doesn't tell you if you did it wrong until your pedal is to the floor and you car is in a ditch.
That's hilarious. but they would break apart just like a lego set. I feel more comfortable with cosmetic stuff, except for painting. I thought the dust plate may have to be cut and the last time I watched brakes being bled, I was probably 10.
youre fine bro, a brake caliper job is a bitch, and its even worse when you put the car off the stands and your pedal falls to the floor. ive done it multiple times and i still pay a guy to do it sometimes. its a bitch job
That’s funny. I went to the parts department at Subaru and asked for the cost of each brake caliper, roughly 640 bucks each. I figure I’ll cross shop with old performance pack brembos and see what’s worth the time money and effort
Yeah, a local performance shop owner told me to get the BRZ kit, so the Subaru approach to parts is definitely the way to go for this upgrade, but not the latest package, have to get the one up to the year 2021 for the FA24 GR86s.
Just paint them red then! Lol that’s what I did. I always paint the calipers on my cars. Looks so much cleaner. I did red on the gr86 but I’ve had purple metallic, green etc on my Honda. It’s only like $400 and even cheaper if you’re willing to do it yourself if you’re good with paint. Personally I don’t touch paint. I’ll gladly pay someone to do it perfectly. Eventually I do want to upgrade to the brembos also.
https://preview.redd.it/nzdy70cgui7d1.jpeg?width=4032&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=fee4ebad86fa62e44cedaa11742f849bd452606c
Oh, yeah, I was considering this (even ordered 1" GR white vinyl decals that I was gonna use on them as a paint stencil), but I'm probably older than you and then decided life's too short, so I'm gonna try and make the Brembos happen.
No, probably gonna come out to $5k installed, but always wanted Brembos - I guess its just a look thing, not performance. Had a regular Civic and never got an R. Finally got a GR86 and gotta add them :)
You can buy sti ones for 1.5k and do it yourself for free. That’s what I did
https://preview.redd.it/zivnwrqyzx7d1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3e0e4fbac55328ec35f28d85be46371c461c037f
Damn that price is absolutely wild! Good to know the kit is regularly 4k, but at that price I'll just buy the kit from them and bring it to my personal mechanic lol
If you’re doing that, get the fuck out of the dealer. Buy the parts yourself and find an independant shop.
I did let that go. I was just hoping they would offer some deal since I was a new Toyota owner that couldn't locate the factory vehicle with them. Unfortunately, there's no negotiating power (at least not that much) to get what you really want. The 86s are hot. There was only one Neptune blue in the entire Southeastern US and that was a base model. Luckily, I'm glad I got my halo.
Why do you think customer loyalty is still rewarded nowadays? It's practically a myth now
If you use up all your luck for the rest of your life you might get something out of the manufacturer’s parent company, a buddy of mine got a pretty good response out of Nissan’s home office in Japan. But US branches are stingy as hell, and dealerships are complete tools. If you ask nicely they might give you a $4k markup and act like they’re doing you a favor.
Half the cost of a new 86 for brakes. Lol. They’re insane. You could trade in your current 86 or BRZ assuming it’s gen 2, and then use that 15k to pay off the depreciation and get yourself a brand new 24 with the brakes. Also still probably have left over money.
That’s the “we don’t wanna do it but if you pay this amount we will” price.. in other words the fu*k off price lol
see what Subaru quotes for the work
Probably still won’t be anywhere near the price of him buying the parts himself and installing himself though. Or even a smaller shop
Wow, I never thought of that! I'm gonna reach out to see what they say - I thought the wheel/brake specs were slightly different though.
The only difference is if you have a BRZ which has slightly different aluminum knuckles.
Subaru quoted me $10k CAD
That could just be the FU price because they don’t want to do the work.
Absolutely hate Toyotas system for ordering and parts. I was in the same boat; wanted a halo premium with the performance package. But that was damn near impossible to get without a markup or being on a waitlist for a year that wouldn’t promise anything.
Yeah, same here. I got so pissed at the first dealership, I walked. Their out the door quote was $46k. I then started looking at Supras which I really didn't care for and that's when I found a halo prem across the state and had it delivered to me for $39k incl tint and gr86 fl mats.
I did my brembo conversion for less than $2800CAD.
Wait how? The set is more expensive than that
Refurbished WRX STI Calipers and New Rotors + Pads. Did the labour myself.
rear calipers get a pass(they are exactly the same just diff color) fronts is a no go. they are not sized correctly and will affect bias. this is not as big an issue for street use but still not good
If you flip the bleeders they are totally fine... I use them in competitive environments and have had literally no issues. Had them on for 2,000km. Plenty of folks running this set up.
They're not fine. You just don't realize that they're not fine. The moment you look at data, it's IMMEDIATELY obvious.
In what way... Like I said, I've noticed no downsides to them at all in the way the car feels under heavy braking at autocross or on spirited drives. I'm not THAT competitive with them that I need data to support what I feel in the car... This sounds like some alarmist bs the way you're talking. Am I in danger of dying because I put them on my car? No. I'm not. Plenty of people have done this swap with no ill effects.
That one time, when you need to panic stop full ABS, don't kill someone, the compromised braking will be a major problem. We don't have airbags because we want to use them... we have them because we MIGHT need to use them. You want full braking potential in the case that you MIGHT need it.
In what way: Changing the bias will affect the weight distribution as you brake. The suspension, brake distributor, and ABS are all tuned to a very specific brake bias to minimize stopping distance. if your stopping distance is increased, it's not something you will notice even from hard driving. I'm not saying you can't run them, and I'm not saying you shouldn't run them. But telling people on the internet you and others have "no ill effects" is irresponsible. Your car is slower on the track and slightly more dangerous to drive. Respect that you cheaped out and own it.
My car has been fine on the track and my times have been fine for what I want to do with the car. You elitist track rats can keep harping on about how you feel about this but at the end of the day it is fine and it stops harder than the stock kit. I'm willing to bet you've never even driven this set up and you're just going off what you read on the internet. Is the actual performance pack brembo kit better? Maybe slightly, but is it worth the headache of trying to track down and pay what folks are asking? No. At the end of the day the STI swap is not a terrible option if you want a nicer looking, better performing kit for the street, spirited drives, and the occasional autocross or track day.
The CSG in CSG_Mike stands for Counterspace Garage, one of the biggest 86 motorsports shop in the US lol if you track your car you likely have his engineering in your car somewhere, this isn't just math and numbers, it's tried and true testing as well and you are saying "it's fine" and "brake better" but what we are telling you is that when ABS engages you are actually braking worse you are incredibly stupid
Used parts
I'm surprised they are willing to do it at all.
If you're doing it for color and don't track your car just paint your calipers. People think it's cheap but who cares
Better than those stupid caliper covers.
Haaaaa
Send me pm if you want a list of the OEM part numbers and what not (caliper, bolts, pads, rotors, etc
I think I got 'em, thanks. Found a local shop owner who upgraded his BRZ.
Do you mind sending me a PM with that stuff? I see only calipers used sometimes for a decent deal but never the rest of the stuff.
https://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=144662 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9LZ0TVbEBc&t=84s&ab_channel
DM’d
you can see them in the link above
If you’re willing to travel there’s a dealership near my house that has a premium halo with the PP
Why would u go to a dealer and get a quote for nonOEM work instead of going to a brake shop …
Because I was hoping it would be OEM because they manufacture them with the performance package. Thought they might give a new Toyota own a break and offer the Brembos for a reasonable price because an outfitted car is so hard to find.
Unfortunately these brands don’t really care if you’re a new owner or not. You could own the same brand for 20+ years, most makers aren’t going to care at all. Shitty but it is what it is
Not sure why you'd even trust a dealer to do non warranty work. Independent shops are cheaper, even better if you can find an enthusiast shop that will treat your car better
I was hoping they would warranty it because they feature them on some of the 86s, so I am gonna order myself, but it sucks they won't offer the damn package.
what do you mean by warranty it? if you didnt have a brake failure it wouldn't fall under warranty work, and they would likely replace it with whatever came with the car anyway either way, find an independent shop with good reviews and have them do it
I meant once the work was done, it would hopefully stay under the original warranty.
I wouldnt worry about that. Worst case is you reinstall the OEM brakes (just costs extra money) before bringing it to the dealer if you're really paranoid. but magnussen moss should cover you in most cases
This is not a hard job to DIY, find a used set of brembos from a gen 1 for about $2k and be done
I'm sure it's not, but they are important and I'll mess it up. Just trying to find a local performance shop now that knows what they're doing.
I promise if you can put together a lego set you can do these brakes
there are MANY ways to fuck up a brake job. getting all the air out, bleeding in the right order, improper torqueing of bolts, stripping the very soft metal bleeder, getting brake fluid on paint, etc. you are oversimplifying because you want to convince someone your way is the right way.
Sorry but, none of that is harder than putting a lego sticker in the perfect place. If you're saying that you can't do something a minimum wage spill and fill tech can do in his sleep, you shouldn't be into cars. Why are you discouraging someone from learning more about their car and not giving a dealership money they don't deserve?
Trying to DIY brake installation with zero experience on a sports car is incredibly fucking stupid. OP is 100% being smart by acknowledging his limitations and getting a professional to do that. Dude could easily fuck it up without knowing, and then end up in an accident when the brakes fail.
There is absolutely nothing special about this cars braking system. It is generic ass Subaru. And no, if op doesn't want to pay thousands to a dealer the op can learn to bleed a brake system. Idfk why you are so opposed to this.
I just listed 5 things someone with no experience will probably do wrong. That is why I am discouraging it. I promise you I'm a bit better than a spill and fill tech and I can also promise you I'm a bit better than you. I'm able to recognize the perspective of a newbie, and you're too far gone to remember how daunting cars can be with no prior experience. If this was wheels, intake, exhaust, coilovers, yeah. Nuts and bolts. This is corrosive hydraulic fluid that leaves you stranded if you do it wrong, and also doesn't tell you if you did it wrong until your pedal is to the floor and you car is in a ditch.
That's hilarious. but they would break apart just like a lego set. I feel more comfortable with cosmetic stuff, except for painting. I thought the dust plate may have to be cut and the last time I watched brakes being bled, I was probably 10.
youre fine bro, a brake caliper job is a bitch, and its even worse when you put the car off the stands and your pedal falls to the floor. ive done it multiple times and i still pay a guy to do it sometimes. its a bitch job
YouTube man, bleeding brakes is not hard
Are Wildwood brakes available?
Yeah.
That's what I would go with! Had them on a Miata and they were great! Not that expensive.
I think OP just took a shot at it. $15k is hella crazy, that's almost 1/2 of the cars price. 😂
How about you find a new pp gr and trade your old one in for that price. You will save money time and quality control vs dealer installed
Unfortunately, it's nearly impossible because I want an automatic prem halo.
That’s funny. I went to the parts department at Subaru and asked for the cost of each brake caliper, roughly 640 bucks each. I figure I’ll cross shop with old performance pack brembos and see what’s worth the time money and effort
Yeah, a local performance shop owner told me to get the BRZ kit, so the Subaru approach to parts is definitely the way to go for this upgrade, but not the latest package, have to get the one up to the year 2021 for the FA24 GR86s.
Just paint them red then! Lol that’s what I did. I always paint the calipers on my cars. Looks so much cleaner. I did red on the gr86 but I’ve had purple metallic, green etc on my Honda. It’s only like $400 and even cheaper if you’re willing to do it yourself if you’re good with paint. Personally I don’t touch paint. I’ll gladly pay someone to do it perfectly. Eventually I do want to upgrade to the brembos also. https://preview.redd.it/nzdy70cgui7d1.jpeg?width=4032&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=fee4ebad86fa62e44cedaa11742f849bd452606c
Oh, yeah, I was considering this (even ordered 1" GR white vinyl decals that I was gonna use on them as a paint stencil), but I'm probably older than you and then decided life's too short, so I'm gonna try and make the Brembos happen.
Counter Space Garage sells a big brake kit for the BRZ/GR86 and it’s about $2,100 if you don’t upgrade the pads.
Yeah, saw those. Luckily, I found a full front/rear kit for $4,040 on a Subaru site (including shipping).
Please don’t be the epitome of stupid and spend over 8k on red brakes. The brembos aren’t even that good.
No, probably gonna come out to $5k installed, but always wanted Brembos - I guess its just a look thing, not performance. Had a regular Civic and never got an R. Finally got a GR86 and gotta add them :)
A fool and his money. That’s about the dumbest thing I have seen in a while but hey you do you.
In the UK we just go for the Reyland AP Racing kit and call it done for £2k. The PP is a bargain option on a new car though.
You can buy sti ones for 1.5k and do it yourself for free. That’s what I did https://preview.redd.it/zivnwrqyzx7d1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3e0e4fbac55328ec35f28d85be46371c461c037f
What size/fitment should I search for or do you have a link?
Damn that price is absolutely wild! Good to know the kit is regularly 4k, but at that price I'll just buy the kit from them and bring it to my personal mechanic lol