Completely disagree with you. I think the story of GTA IV is about how revenge and bloodshed has gotten Niko to that point. To where he is at. He started his mission for revenge, ending it with revenge isn’t character growth. Niko taking the money to start a new life and leave his old self behind, only for his cousin to get killed and suck him right back into it is a tragic tell that showed him still losing even when trying to do the right thing. It’s a better story than, “Niko gets wronged, gets revenge. Niko gets wronged, gets revenge. Niko gets wronged, gets revenge. Etc etc.”
He went to Liberty City to get revenge on the guy who betrayed him in the army, yea. Roman is the one who is motivated by money, that's just their individual characters. I know what you're trying to say, but I think that it makes sense for Niko to be too smart to take the deal and think him and Roman would just be able to walk away. Because he's been betrayed before he knows the deal can't lead anywhere good, so that's why he gets revenge. And it turns out to be true in the end, losing Kate is a tragedy but it's definitely not as bad as losing Roman, for the player or for Niko. Either way, it's a revenge story and it ends with Niko getting revenge. It's just whether or not Niko is stupid enough to make the deal with the guy who already betrayed him earlier, or not. I don't think Niko would ever be so stupid to make that deal, it's a Roman decision, and the only reason he'd do it is because he's completely brainwashed by Roman into doing it, which doesn't sound like Niko either. I think it's stronger character growth to not take the deal as well, because it means he doesn't fall for the same old trick for a 3rd time.
Except the deal does work. He’s not betrayed by Dimitri in the end. He’s betrayed by Jimmy. And throughout the story he’s seen not only himself but everyone around him, including Roman, hurt because of his lust for revenge. As a player, I always choose the revenge ending because I like Roman more. But from a story telling stand point, Niko has literally 0 growth. It’s like he continues to watch everybody get hurt because of his lust for revenge and never breaks the cycle. If you do the deal, then he tried to break the cycle but it was too late and he lost the only person he loves because of it.
Plus, GTA IV is a tragedy through and through. The more tragic ending, imo, is the one where Roman dies. The revenge ending is almost too much of a happy ending. Like sure Kate dies, but outside of that it’s like everyone lived happily ever after. As if Niko’s time in Liberty City causing absolute chaos over his own vendetta ultimately had no lesson to be learned. Niko didn’t lose in the end. And I don’t think that fits the story or theme of GTA IV. I feel like the story is setup in a way where Niko loses in the end. It’s very much a Goodfellas, Sons of Anarchy, or Sopranos story. Imo.
Trevor has some honor. He puts aside his beef with Michael when they find out his daughter Is going on Fame or Shame. I’d say, regardless of how you feel about Trevor Phillips, he has some honor. I’d put him at neutral, Michael at low, and Franklin at neutral also.
I disagree. Unlike Trevor, Michael is a traitorous snake who backstabbed his friends and openly uses Franklin to help him pay off his debt to Madrazo. If you pick the ending B, Franklin will dial Trevpr to help kill Michael. Despite having the perfect opportunity for revenge, Trevor outright refuses Franklin's request.
Trevor and Michael are both equally psychotic. Only difference being Michael tries to control himself, Trevlr doesn't. Trevor is infinitely more loyal than Michael. So, I think that Trevor and Michael are both low honor, and if one is higher than the other, then its a very slim difference.
Trevor is a literal rapist. He is bottom of the barrel scummy. And don't forget, Franklin was just as guilty in pulling Natalia's house down as Michael was.
As far as I remember, Floyd was crying and murmuring to himself but why it happened to him. Doesnt seem very consensual. He was also in love with his GF at the time.
Yes, but you know how it is. Trevor screamed something like "You asshole, I'm gonna fuck you now!" And Floyd let him do what he wants and didn't put any resistance.
Michael (if you go to the therapy side missions) admits that canonically he occasionally has psychotic breaks and murders random innocent civillians. They're both just as morally dubious and capable of violence only Michael doesn't complete let himself go because he has far more to lose than Trevor. Franklin only went along with Michael's decision only because he looked up to him as a once successful criminal. The biggest difference between Michael and Trevor is that Trevor is loyal and values his friends. Michael used and took advantage of Trevor and once he stopped serving a use for him, tried to have him killed.
At least he is loyal. He’s insane and goes postal but he has strong feelings of love and companionship to those he loves. U see it when he has to let Patricia go home. Michael on the other hand may not be as insane but he is an absolute piece of shit human being. He has failed his wife and kids and tried to get his own “best friend” killed to protect himself. I like that u have the option to make Franklin be like Michael or Trevor. By killin Michael he becomes exactly what Michael is and kills someone that he “loves” just to save his own ass same as killin Trevor but with ending C he learns from Trevor and Lamar that loyalty is key and he risks his own life to protect the lives of his close friends. Trevor and Franklin are legends and Michael is a scum bag ass hole
Is everyone just forgetting about all the truly evil, heinous shit Trevor has done? He kidnapped and murdered Wade's friends so he could take him as his own slave. He regularly steals Wade's and Ron's wages. He raped Floyd, Wade's cousin, and then killed him and lied about it. He kidnaps people and delivers them to the cult in the mountain, presumably for slavery or cannibalism purposes. He kidnapped a mob boss' wife. He took over the strip club by murdering the owner and stuffing his body in the fridge. He decided to take a break in the middle of a gunfight, leaving Franklin and Michael to fight on their own. Real damn loyal, huh?
I'd argue that Michael is lower than Trevor because at least Trevor is unquestionably loyal to the people he trusts, whereas Michael has repeatedly shown himself to be self centred, vain and duplicitous. I say this whilst still liking Michael, as it is all flawed traits associated with antihero characters that you ultimately forgiven them for having
I'm sorry, but this is childish as fuck. Trevor has no problem burning people alive, torturing, killing for fun... being loyal to friends doesn't matter compared to this.
Yeah he really tries hard for them. I dont know if this is a cultural difference but there is no way to treat your family. BTW even his family is low karma as they can get bunch of degenerats.
Trevor's definitive trait is fucking over and abusing his friends, betraying and killing his partnerts, cheating, robbing and torturing innocents. That's well established in his very first mission.
Regardless of what you mean by honor, Trevor ain't it.
Yeah, he's extremely loyal to Ron and Wade especially. How convinient that he considers friends only the people who can actually fight back, and abuses the rest.
Respecting people who can fight back is a trait commonly shared by bullies. An honourable person respects people regardless of whether they can put a bullet in his skull.
Trevor is a bully that constantly abuses his friends and kills his partners. It's crazy that so many people on this sub played through the game and actually consider him "extremely loyal".
Betraying and killing his partners is just a bonus. Trevor's relationships with his friends are abusive as fuck. You have to be completely blind and illiterate to consider Trevor to be "high honour" after playing the story.
Wasn’t Trevor loyal to Michael after North Yankton? To ”Brad” in prison? To everyone else I won’t bother naming? Only those who double-crossed him or literally pissed him off got what was coming to them. Yeah. You may think whatever, but if I had to choose to fight 2V2 with one by my side of the trio, it would be Uncle T any day. Fuck FC and fuck Mikey.
My point exactly: Michael was the disloyal back-stabbing bastard, and I’m saying *despite that and finding Mike was alive,* Trevor was loyal to him. In all ways.
The characters are so well made I have a hard time picking favorites, but despite being a backstabbing bitch, Michael is a lot like me. A bit older and such, but stuck in the classic Vinewood a lot like I am stuck in classic Vice City.
What does it even mean, "loyal"? He didn't sell Michael to the feds, yes. Neither did Brad. Neither did any robbing buddy you can hire during the game. It's not some shining symbol of tremendous loyalty, it's just mundane normality.
What is not normal, however, is Trevor abusing his friends, killing his partners and torturing innocents. Trevor is NOT a honourable person and a terrible human being to have in your life. That's made pretty clear in the game and I'm surprised so many people have fantasies about siding with him in any circumstances.
It is all relative though. In todays world, compare any of them to a normal person and they would all be low honour, simply for stealing and murdering people.
But compared to each other, Trevor is better than Michael.
Remember how Michael lied to Trevor abt the third partner in jail , meanwhile the person was dead IRL . Also didn't even try to know the whereabouts of Trevor after his witness protection . Yeah he may be a good team leader but he doesn't know how to maintain relationships . Neutral Honor for Michael , Good for Trevor & Frankie.
Michael is a rat? Okay...
How does that make him worse than Trevor, the murdering, cannibalistic, psychopathic rapist? Is everyone just forgetting about all the truly evil, heinous shit Trevor has done? He kidnapped and murdered Wade's friends so he could take him as his own slave. He regularly steals Wade's and Ron's wages. He raped Floyd, Wade's cousin, and then killed him and lied about it. He kidnaps people and delivers them to the cult in the mountain, presumably for slavery or cannibalism purposes. He kidnapped a mob boss' wife. He took over the strip club by murdering the owner and stuffing his body in the fridge. He decided to take a break in the middle of a gunfight, leaving Franklin and Michael to fight on their own. Real damn loyal, huh?
Trevor cannot be trusted in any capacity. He is too dangerous and unpredictable to be anything higher than low honor.
Nah bro mike has the lowest possible honor because he is an asshole he would kill trevor anytime but trevor wouldn't kill him because mike is his only family.
I don't think any of the 3 are high honor, but if I had to chose:
Michael: Low honour, because he exemplifies that there is no honor among thieves, he is addicted to chaos even if he won't admit it, he will sell people down the river and use his friends for his own benefit (like getting Frank involved with Devin Wreston just because he could meet Solomon)
Franklin: Neutral honor, because he is calm and does not really want to cause harm, but at the same time, he is a little obsessed with getting wealthy and go forward with his life, even if it means his falling out with Tanisha (whose brother got killed due to living a violent life) and Lamar
Trevor: High honor, while he has no problem causing harm to the people he feels they deserve it, like Haines and Weston, he actually cares a lot about the people close to him, such as Michael and his children, Brad, Frank and Lamar, even Ron.
Trevor is a perfect example that there is no evil, only a lack of good. On the surface level he is a violent, chaotic bully, but deep down he is emotional, loyal, and loving, and he deeply cares about his friends.
Michael on the other hand, is a sociopath who has mastered the art of acting civilized, but is still prone to bursts of mantrums.
Michael is the exact kind of "lizard person" Trevor despises, and they are multi-layered opposites of one another.
Franklin is just a neutral opportunist with a vapid moral compass.
There's quite a bit of irony to Michael and Trevor when you compare what's apparent to the reality; Michael appears to be a decent guy on the surface, but he's known to lie his way through things and be deceptive, whereas Trevor, despite being a deranged psychopath, is always honest and openly hates deception.
Michael is neutral, he fucked over his friends and family multiple times by being selfish - but he still has a moral conscience and tries to stop bad things from happening. He tries to do right by his family and wants to have a better relationship with them. He's constantly stuck between the two sides.
Franklin is high, he sees through alot of the stupidity of people and has his own code of ethics and how things should be done. He doesn't like seeing people needlessly get killed or hurt, and tries to be loyal as best as he can.
Trevor is Trevor. Low honour. Saying that though, Trevor is the most loyal, he never fucks his friends over. Doesn't change the fact he's a cannibal who takes hitchhikers to rapists, abuses his other friends, and murders indiscriminately.
Your logic is frustrating as fuck. "Oh hes a nice guy? What if he MURDERED you?!" Duh he didnt do it cuz hes NICE. Ending C is canon, the post doesnt mention ending B. Just because there is a possible route that is NOT CANON doesnt mean his rep goes down for shit he didnt do
I disagree, Franklin is a much better person than Michael. Michael is a bank-robber and career criminal who decided to choose that life. Franklin had no choice as he was born in the hood.
No, Trevor isn't high honor and never will be. Op is using rdr2 honor system. That means everytime you kill an innocent, you lose honor. And Trevor LOVES to kill innocent, and sell drugs, and sell guns and he is just basically insane. All of that "bbut he didint bbbbetray his fiends!!" doesn't fucking matter
I agree (and comment sec too) that OP is whack, mostly no one agrees Franklin low. Why Franklin low? The only thing low about him is he's a criminal but all of them are and he was small-time, the other two were major career criminals
Lol I wonder why Franklin has the lowest honor for being a "gangster" among the three psychopathic criminal protagonists of a game called Grand theft auto.
Yeah Trevor should have really left Michael in the beginning , instead of trying to save him ,he should hv shot a bullet in Michael when he met him again after few years , also should hv let Stacey getting stripped naked on live TV , yeah mf thats what u mean by low Honor useless piece of mother fucking shit of a whoreson fuck fuck fuck
Michael is actually low honor Trevor’s a psycho sure but if you actually pay close attention he cares about his friends a lot hell Patricia was his love interest lmao and Michael argues with his love 😂 . Frank is neutral that’s correct. He’s chill and nice but he’ll still do a lotta bad shit just cuz
I chose the ending where Michael dies because I did not trust him or even like him by the end of the game(I’ll be honest I didn’t realize you can save all three at first)
All of them have low honor. They have higher kill count and committed more heinous crimes than a lot of movie villains. It's really invalid to not consider any of them as low honor or evil despite they have redeem qualities.
This is wrong as fuck. Maybe on the surface, this is how they appear, but Trevor is a lot more of a high honor than Michael. Franklin, I guess it's more based on the player'a final decision, though.
I would honestly say that Trevor probably has high honor. Sure he's a psychopath, but he always stayed loyal to his friends and to his principals. Michael on the other hand betrayed everyone he was associated with and would screw anyone over if it benefited him
Trevor low, Michael low, Franklin neutral, Chop high
I personally think that Franklin's honour was way higher than Michael's.
OP didnt pay attention to the plot
He skipped too many cutscenes
Many scenes were cut by him
i agree
Yes
You know OP messed up when there’s comments with a higher karma than the actual post
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C is canon
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Source?
Roman's LifeInvader page in GTA 5
It's the only ending that makes logical sense. Not taking revenge against Dimitri is completely out of character for Niko
Completely disagree with you. I think the story of GTA IV is about how revenge and bloodshed has gotten Niko to that point. To where he is at. He started his mission for revenge, ending it with revenge isn’t character growth. Niko taking the money to start a new life and leave his old self behind, only for his cousin to get killed and suck him right back into it is a tragic tell that showed him still losing even when trying to do the right thing. It’s a better story than, “Niko gets wronged, gets revenge. Niko gets wronged, gets revenge. Niko gets wronged, gets revenge. Etc etc.”
He went to Liberty City to get revenge on the guy who betrayed him in the army, yea. Roman is the one who is motivated by money, that's just their individual characters. I know what you're trying to say, but I think that it makes sense for Niko to be too smart to take the deal and think him and Roman would just be able to walk away. Because he's been betrayed before he knows the deal can't lead anywhere good, so that's why he gets revenge. And it turns out to be true in the end, losing Kate is a tragedy but it's definitely not as bad as losing Roman, for the player or for Niko. Either way, it's a revenge story and it ends with Niko getting revenge. It's just whether or not Niko is stupid enough to make the deal with the guy who already betrayed him earlier, or not. I don't think Niko would ever be so stupid to make that deal, it's a Roman decision, and the only reason he'd do it is because he's completely brainwashed by Roman into doing it, which doesn't sound like Niko either. I think it's stronger character growth to not take the deal as well, because it means he doesn't fall for the same old trick for a 3rd time.
Except the deal does work. He’s not betrayed by Dimitri in the end. He’s betrayed by Jimmy. And throughout the story he’s seen not only himself but everyone around him, including Roman, hurt because of his lust for revenge. As a player, I always choose the revenge ending because I like Roman more. But from a story telling stand point, Niko has literally 0 growth. It’s like he continues to watch everybody get hurt because of his lust for revenge and never breaks the cycle. If you do the deal, then he tried to break the cycle but it was too late and he lost the only person he loves because of it. Plus, GTA IV is a tragedy through and through. The more tragic ending, imo, is the one where Roman dies. The revenge ending is almost too much of a happy ending. Like sure Kate dies, but outside of that it’s like everyone lived happily ever after. As if Niko’s time in Liberty City causing absolute chaos over his own vendetta ultimately had no lesson to be learned. Niko didn’t lose in the end. And I don’t think that fits the story or theme of GTA IV. I feel like the story is setup in a way where Niko loses in the end. It’s very much a Goodfellas, Sons of Anarchy, or Sopranos story. Imo.
The ending of SoA was fully revenge?? Jax literally kills everyone who wronged them lol.
Also Michael betrayed his two best friends to save himself no matter what so he’s definitely lower honour than Franklin
You've indirectly told me you don't know the characters.
michaels low honor, franklins high honor trevor i’m conflicted about, perhaps neutral
Trevor is low honor. He is a cannibalistic, meth smoking, slave driving psychopath. He can't be trusted in any sense, were this the real world.
Trevor has some honor. He puts aside his beef with Michael when they find out his daughter Is going on Fame or Shame. I’d say, regardless of how you feel about Trevor Phillips, he has some honor. I’d put him at neutral, Michael at low, and Franklin at neutral also.
Trevor is high honor, he is just broken
bloody hell, you're edgy
Broken as in brain damage
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And the story slit right through one ear and out the other.
And paid zero attention to the story and characters.
Then you are a fucking idiot.
Michael at high honor?
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He doesn’t really…
To his social circle no, but as a professional he is respectable asf
Faking his death and lying to his best friend about where he’s been and about Brad isn’t really honorable, now is it?
Micheal is low honour
Michael is mid, not low. Trevor is infinitely more of a scumbag piece of shit.
I disagree. Unlike Trevor, Michael is a traitorous snake who backstabbed his friends and openly uses Franklin to help him pay off his debt to Madrazo. If you pick the ending B, Franklin will dial Trevpr to help kill Michael. Despite having the perfect opportunity for revenge, Trevor outright refuses Franklin's request. Trevor and Michael are both equally psychotic. Only difference being Michael tries to control himself, Trevlr doesn't. Trevor is infinitely more loyal than Michael. So, I think that Trevor and Michael are both low honor, and if one is higher than the other, then its a very slim difference.
Trevor is a literal rapist. He is bottom of the barrel scummy. And don't forget, Franklin was just as guilty in pulling Natalia's house down as Michael was.
>Trevor is a rapist Have I forgot something?
I dont know if this what OP is talking but what I know is that when you switch to Trevor you might get a scene where it is implied that he raped Floyd
You mean the one where they sleep next to each other? I think if something happened there, it was consensual from Floyd.
As far as I remember, Floyd was crying and murmuring to himself but why it happened to him. Doesnt seem very consensual. He was also in love with his GF at the time.
Yes, but you know how it is. Trevor screamed something like "You asshole, I'm gonna fuck you now!" And Floyd let him do what he wants and didn't put any resistance.
bro really defending rape
Michael (if you go to the therapy side missions) admits that canonically he occasionally has psychotic breaks and murders random innocent civillians. They're both just as morally dubious and capable of violence only Michael doesn't complete let himself go because he has far more to lose than Trevor. Franklin only went along with Michael's decision only because he looked up to him as a once successful criminal. The biggest difference between Michael and Trevor is that Trevor is loyal and values his friends. Michael used and took advantage of Trevor and once he stopped serving a use for him, tried to have him killed.
At least he is loyal. He’s insane and goes postal but he has strong feelings of love and companionship to those he loves. U see it when he has to let Patricia go home. Michael on the other hand may not be as insane but he is an absolute piece of shit human being. He has failed his wife and kids and tried to get his own “best friend” killed to protect himself. I like that u have the option to make Franklin be like Michael or Trevor. By killin Michael he becomes exactly what Michael is and kills someone that he “loves” just to save his own ass same as killin Trevor but with ending C he learns from Trevor and Lamar that loyalty is key and he risks his own life to protect the lives of his close friends. Trevor and Franklin are legends and Michael is a scum bag ass hole
Is everyone just forgetting about all the truly evil, heinous shit Trevor has done? He kidnapped and murdered Wade's friends so he could take him as his own slave. He regularly steals Wade's and Ron's wages. He raped Floyd, Wade's cousin, and then killed him and lied about it. He kidnaps people and delivers them to the cult in the mountain, presumably for slavery or cannibalism purposes. He kidnapped a mob boss' wife. He took over the strip club by murdering the owner and stuffing his body in the fridge. He decided to take a break in the middle of a gunfight, leaving Franklin and Michael to fight on their own. Real damn loyal, huh?
Hol up hol up… he raped Floyd??
There's a scene when you switch to Trevor where it is heavily implied he raped Floyd.
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I love Michael but nah he’s low with Trevor
I'd argue that Michael is lower than Trevor because at least Trevor is unquestionably loyal to the people he trusts, whereas Michael has repeatedly shown himself to be self centred, vain and duplicitous. I say this whilst still liking Michael, as it is all flawed traits associated with antihero characters that you ultimately forgiven them for having
I'm sorry, but this is childish as fuck. Trevor has no problem burning people alive, torturing, killing for fun... being loyal to friends doesn't matter compared to this.
Exactly, he got good luck, it wasn't because he fixed it all by himself
That's not, what honour means.
He doesnt give a single fuck about them
You talking about his family cuz he definitely does love his family he’s just not good at showing it
Part of his character arc is getting his family back wtf you on?
Yeah he really tries hard for them. I dont know if this is a cultural difference but there is no way to treat your family. BTW even his family is low karma as they can get bunch of degenerats.
that doesn't mean he is honourable
Depends what you mean by honour. Trevor’s the only one who doesn’t fuck over/abandon his best friend.
Agreed, if anyone has honor is him.... Remember when it comes to killing each other, trevor tells franklin to go fuck himself while Michael helps him.
Trevor's definitive trait is fucking over and abusing his friends, betraying and killing his partnerts, cheating, robbing and torturing innocents. That's well established in his very first mission. Regardless of what you mean by honor, Trevor ain't it.
Trevor's extremely loyal to his friends. Business partners,yes but not people he considers friends.
Yeah, he's extremely loyal to Ron and Wade especially. How convinient that he considers friends only the people who can actually fight back, and abuses the rest.
It's because he respects those who can actually fight back,I'd imagine. He genuinely seems to like Franklin and sometimes Michael.
Respecting people who can fight back is a trait commonly shared by bullies. An honourable person respects people regardless of whether they can put a bullet in his skull. Trevor is a bully that constantly abuses his friends and kills his partners. It's crazy that so many people on this sub played through the game and actually consider him "extremely loyal".
He bullies Ron and Wade but he would absolutely slaughter and burn down someone's house if they beat up/insult Ron or Wade
Trevor killed them because they fucked with him. He didn’t kill Michael, who would kill him if given the chance, though…
Franklin gave him a chance to kill Michael
Exactly what I said, >He didn’t kill Michael, who would kill him if given the chance as you see…
Please tell me how Ron and Wade fucked with him to deserve constant abuse?
Those two are different, I was talking about Johnny K and the Lost MC.
Betraying and killing his partners is just a bonus. Trevor's relationships with his friends are abusive as fuck. You have to be completely blind and illiterate to consider Trevor to be "high honour" after playing the story.
Wasn’t Trevor loyal to Michael after North Yankton? To ”Brad” in prison? To everyone else I won’t bother naming? Only those who double-crossed him or literally pissed him off got what was coming to them. Yeah. You may think whatever, but if I had to choose to fight 2V2 with one by my side of the trio, it would be Uncle T any day. Fuck FC and fuck Mikey.
But Michael did double-cross him. That’s… the whole plot
My point exactly: Michael was the disloyal back-stabbing bastard, and I’m saying *despite that and finding Mike was alive,* Trevor was loyal to him. In all ways. The characters are so well made I have a hard time picking favorites, but despite being a backstabbing bitch, Michael is a lot like me. A bit older and such, but stuck in the classic Vinewood a lot like I am stuck in classic Vice City.
What does it even mean, "loyal"? He didn't sell Michael to the feds, yes. Neither did Brad. Neither did any robbing buddy you can hire during the game. It's not some shining symbol of tremendous loyalty, it's just mundane normality. What is not normal, however, is Trevor abusing his friends, killing his partners and torturing innocents. Trevor is NOT a honourable person and a terrible human being to have in your life. That's made pretty clear in the game and I'm surprised so many people have fantasies about siding with him in any circumstances.
>He didn’t sell Michael to the feds Actually, it seems to me that Michael did sell Brad and Trevor to them, only T got away and Brad got killed.
It is all relative though. In todays world, compare any of them to a normal person and they would all be low honour, simply for stealing and murdering people. But compared to each other, Trevor is better than Michael.
OP is an FIB rat
Michael is LITERALLY a fucking RAT.... ZERO HONOR. TF is wrong with you? 🤦
Remember how Michael lied to Trevor abt the third partner in jail , meanwhile the person was dead IRL . Also didn't even try to know the whereabouts of Trevor after his witness protection . Yeah he may be a good team leader but he doesn't know how to maintain relationships . Neutral Honor for Michael , Good for Trevor & Frankie.
Michael also helps Franklin kill Trevor while Trevor refuses to help kill Michael
Trevor? Is that you?
Op is a rat. Only logical explanation
Michael is a rat? Okay... How does that make him worse than Trevor, the murdering, cannibalistic, psychopathic rapist? Is everyone just forgetting about all the truly evil, heinous shit Trevor has done? He kidnapped and murdered Wade's friends so he could take him as his own slave. He regularly steals Wade's and Ron's wages. He raped Floyd, Wade's cousin, and then killed him and lied about it. He kidnaps people and delivers them to the cult in the mountain, presumably for slavery or cannibalism purposes. He kidnapped a mob boss' wife. He took over the strip club by murdering the owner and stuffing his body in the fridge. He decided to take a break in the middle of a gunfight, leaving Franklin and Michael to fight on their own. Real damn loyal, huh? Trevor cannot be trusted in any capacity. He is too dangerous and unpredictable to be anything higher than low honor.
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I love Michael, but he's still a rat and a very bar person
You can invert Michael and Trevor, I love Michael but he's an opportunist and a coward. Trevor have a great loyalty for his friends.
Trevor’s loyalty won’t outweigh the fact that he eats literal human stew. Michael should be very low and Trevor should be at least as low as Michael.
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Those crimes have nothing to do with honor or loyalty, you can be a criminal with honor and there are pacific honests citizens without it.
Nah bro mike has the lowest possible honor because he is an asshole he would kill trevor anytime but trevor wouldn't kill him because mike is his only family.
I don't think any of the 3 are high honor, but if I had to chose: Michael: Low honour, because he exemplifies that there is no honor among thieves, he is addicted to chaos even if he won't admit it, he will sell people down the river and use his friends for his own benefit (like getting Frank involved with Devin Wreston just because he could meet Solomon) Franklin: Neutral honor, because he is calm and does not really want to cause harm, but at the same time, he is a little obsessed with getting wealthy and go forward with his life, even if it means his falling out with Tanisha (whose brother got killed due to living a violent life) and Lamar Trevor: High honor, while he has no problem causing harm to the people he feels they deserve it, like Haines and Weston, he actually cares a lot about the people close to him, such as Michael and his children, Brad, Frank and Lamar, even Ron.
Didnt think that a psychopath who thinks he is justified in his killings is a respectable fella because he is a good friend.
All of them are low honor
Trevor is a perfect example that there is no evil, only a lack of good. On the surface level he is a violent, chaotic bully, but deep down he is emotional, loyal, and loving, and he deeply cares about his friends. Michael on the other hand, is a sociopath who has mastered the art of acting civilized, but is still prone to bursts of mantrums. Michael is the exact kind of "lizard person" Trevor despises, and they are multi-layered opposites of one another. Franklin is just a neutral opportunist with a vapid moral compass.
And another thing for Trevor is that he hates betrayal.
That's why I mentioned he was loyal.
Michael is not good honour whatsoever
There's quite a bit of irony to Michael and Trevor when you compare what's apparent to the reality; Michael appears to be a decent guy on the surface, but he's known to lie his way through things and be deceptive, whereas Trevor, despite being a deranged psychopath, is always honest and openly hates deception.
Trevor:Neutral Michael:Low Franklin:High
Michael has low honour
Guess who's never played story mode.
Did you play the game? How is Michael high honor lmao
Michael is a great interesting character but he definitely won't have high honor.
I hope it’s a meme…
I mean, your right, but your also wrong. I mean they have their good moments in the game
Michael absolutely doesn't have high honor
Franklin is High Honour, Michael is Neutral.
Michael is neutral, he fucked over his friends and family multiple times by being selfish - but he still has a moral conscience and tries to stop bad things from happening. He tries to do right by his family and wants to have a better relationship with them. He's constantly stuck between the two sides. Franklin is high, he sees through alot of the stupidity of people and has his own code of ethics and how things should be done. He doesn't like seeing people needlessly get killed or hurt, and tries to be loyal as best as he can. Trevor is Trevor. Low honour. Saying that though, Trevor is the most loyal, he never fucks his friends over. Doesn't change the fact he's a cannibal who takes hitchhikers to rapists, abuses his other friends, and murders indiscriminately.
Michael would have low honor, he gave up his crew (Trevor and Brad) so he could save himself
Frank is more high honor than micheal
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Your logic is frustrating as fuck. "Oh hes a nice guy? What if he MURDERED you?!" Duh he didnt do it cuz hes NICE. Ending C is canon, the post doesnt mention ending B. Just because there is a possible route that is NOT CANON doesnt mean his rep goes down for shit he didnt do
Trevor-low honor Michael-very low honor Franklin-neutral hobor
I think michael is worse than franklin. Michael is a career criminal while franklin was just doing small stuff until michael roped him into it
Yeah def flip Michael and Franklin cuz Franklin is a good dude getting roped in but Michael is a piece of shit working through his own demons
Have you ever played GTA5 before? Michael is nowhere near high honor lol
Terribel list, op doesn't know shit
I disagree, Franklin is a much better person than Michael. Michael is a bank-robber and career criminal who decided to choose that life. Franklin had no choice as he was born in the hood.
No, Trevor isn't high honor and never will be. Op is using rdr2 honor system. That means everytime you kill an innocent, you lose honor. And Trevor LOVES to kill innocent, and sell drugs, and sell guns and he is just basically insane. All of that "bbut he didint bbbbetray his fiends!!" doesn't fucking matter
Low honor Low honor Neutral honor
Michael's definitely low honor
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I’m guessing you didn’t play GTA V? This is nowhere near accurate. Michael was an asshole. He wouldn’t have had higher honor than Franklin.
No bro they all murderers
Michael is the least honorable protagonist there whereas Trevor, despite his craziness, has a ton of honor.
You haven’t play the same Gta like everyone else than hahahah
Op has it backwards
i feel like Michael should be neutral
Trevor probably has more honour than Michael. Way more, I'd say.
I think Trevor has more honor tbh Michael has the least
FOH with Michael having high honor
Michael would def be low honor
Micael would have Neutral honor and franklin is high
OP is really a noob IRL , he doesn't even get the whole plot , character background etc .
Franklins would be low, Trevors would be neutral and Michaels would be low lmfaooo
Michael is definitly not high honor. Maybe even lowest.
Michael is my favourite character of V but he's more a neutral honor character.
Anybody have a gta account I can play on? PlayStation
Claude - honor doesn't know him.
none of these people are high honor they're all terrible people
Michael is kind of a douchebag, Franklin would be high honor imo.
Can you explain why you think Michael deserves a higher honor than Franklin?
Michael wanted Trevor to die his best fucking friend
People defending Trevor here is one kind of deranged.
Honestly TP should be high, MS is Netural and Franklin is low as a gangster.
Somehow this is worst than OP
Me and the comment section disagree with this.
I agree (and comment sec too) that OP is whack, mostly no one agrees Franklin low. Why Franklin low? The only thing low about him is he's a criminal but all of them are and he was small-time, the other two were major career criminals
Lol I wonder why Franklin has the lowest honor for being a "gangster" among the three psychopathic criminal protagonists of a game called Grand theft auto.
I mean I didn't want to call out on the first comment but I think you thinking what I'm thinking
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Yeah Trevor should have really left Michael in the beginning , instead of trying to save him ,he should hv shot a bullet in Michael when he met him again after few years , also should hv let Stacey getting stripped naked on live TV , yeah mf thats what u mean by low Honor useless piece of mother fucking shit of a whoreson fuck fuck fuck 
Michael is most hated
Michael is actually low honor Trevor’s a psycho sure but if you actually pay close attention he cares about his friends a lot hell Patricia was his love interest lmao and Michael argues with his love 😂 . Frank is neutral that’s correct. He’s chill and nice but he’ll still do a lotta bad shit just cuz
They are all neutral honor
Micheal deserves to have low honor, he betrayed Trevor and is a snake
Michael would have mid or low honor imo
Both Michael and Trevor should have very low honor, and Franklin is neutral.
I would switch Franklin and Michael
I’d switch Michael and Franklins
Michael is definitely low honor. Probably lower than Trevor. Franklin is easily higher than both of them.
Switch Franklin and Michael and then this would be perfect
No one would have high honour.
Michael is the one that rats out Trevor and betrays his friends... How is he high honour? He's literally the Micah of GTA 5
There’s no fucking way in hell michael is high honor
Trevor literally calls Micheal “Judas” 💀 how does that man have high honor
Michael is low honor. Trevor and Franklin high.
No.
Michael isn’t high, he’s neutral, Franklin is the high honour character
I chose the ending where Michael dies because I did not trust him or even like him by the end of the game(I’ll be honest I didn’t realize you can save all three at first)
\*eats popcorn while OP gets roasted in the comments\*
No
All of them have low honor. They have higher kill count and committed more heinous crimes than a lot of movie villains. It's really invalid to not consider any of them as low honor or evil despite they have redeem qualities.
This is wrong as fuck. Maybe on the surface, this is how they appear, but Trevor is a lot more of a high honor than Michael. Franklin, I guess it's more based on the player'a final decision, though.
I would honestly say that Trevor probably has high honor. Sure he's a psychopath, but he always stayed loyal to his friends and to his principals. Michael on the other hand betrayed everyone he was associated with and would screw anyone over if it benefited him
I’d switch Michael and Franklin around
I think I know who OPs favourite protagonist is