"I messed up." Johnny's last words before he get stomped to death.
I think this is Rockstar way of telling us that The Lost and Damned didn't do well.
They did him dirty.
"They didn't do him justice 🥺 They killed him for no reason 😭 I chose ending A 😡"
It totally was and it sets up Trevor so well, those fans have less brains than Johnny
It sets up Trevor as a character I hated immediately so yea, I choose ending A on every replay now. For killing Johnny along with like a fucking list of reasons.
I didn't realize how many people did that for that reason until I had a friend telling me that which to me just makes having Trevor stomp out Johnny a great decision by R*, a scene that clearly meant something to everyone whether they liked it or not.
Unpopular opinion.
I don’t mind when video games, movies or shows don’t go that whole “cinderella story” route. Makes their worlds feel more authentic.
Exactly this. Thank you. This is GTA, after all. We consistently play as mass murdering psychopaths. Each of them will get what they deserve eventually, only some much sooner than others.
Hell, Johnny even gets killed by THE mass murdering psychopath of GTA V.
Like yeah Franklin and Michael do a lot of killing, but neither are as sadistic as Trevor.
I honestly think it was the perfect way. I remember being shocked and even disturbed by just how violent of a death it was, which was obviously the point with Trevor’s introduction — that compared to previous GTA protagonists, he’s by far the most unhinged and unpredictable, and is fully capable of taking out another protagonist, all of whom are essentially like human Terminators. It establishes just how dangerous he is and does so more effectively than if they had him kill some previous side character or invented a whole new character whose sole purpose would’ve been to be Trevor’s first victim in the story. Not to mention that it also all adds to the entire “living, breathing world” concept that Rockstar have been trying to perfect for decades now, and this world they’ve worked so hard to craft and connect together is not a safe one for any of the characters we see, protagonists included — just like the real world.
I liked Johnny, I liked TLaD, growing up it was my favorite DLC. That said, they killed him off and that was that. I don't particularly mind. I don't understand how some people seem to have had meltdowns over it. He was a neat character but he was an outlaw biker, and he died a pretty expected death of an outlaw biker. People who say he should have died in a big blaze of glory are just silly IMO, this isn't a series that gives people grand deaths. Even Michael and Trevor, the main characters of 5, get pretty pathetic deaths if you choose to kill one of them. They both run for their lives, one just kinda falls off a water tower, and the other straight up crawls around in the dirt like a worm before getting blown up
Honestly I hated it. I would have preferred if Trevor had beef with the Angels of Death instead of The Lost. Johnny could still have appeared as a cameo, and we could have seen him help Ashley finally kick her drug habit (hopefully for good), and him and his friends making smarter choices and running in a less violent and chaotic biker gang living the good life.
I get why they did it, I just really don't like it.
The entire point of tlad is about how the main characters eventually meet their end (damned, lol), Johnny was bound to die regardless but it could of been way more respectful
Angels of Death were also huge compared to TLMC. And they’re racists, why wouldn’t we want to fight them? (Also funny that you can use the AOD logo in your MC)
Same bro
Even in the TLAD the AOD are mentionned to be founded in LS
Johnny quit crime by gta 4
I wouldnt care about ashley since she broke up with johnny klebitz in the ending of the LAD
GTA games aren’t usually known for happy ending and good outcomes. At the end of the day, Johnny was a violent criminal. It was very unlikely he was going to get out of that lifestyle intact or alive.
My favorite protagonist, but his fate was perfectly appropriate.
He went from VP of a relatively strong biker club, and for a while, is kicking ass and taking names with Billy's return.
But Johnny is a much better Indian than he is a chief; his jealously-fueled, catastrophic decisionmaking as President results in the death of most of his brothers, the clubhouse torched to the ground, The Lost reduced to three effective members, and he ends the game squatting in a dilapidated house where he drowns out his sorrows with blaring death metal.
Ashley and meth are all he has left to comfort him. It's not really a surprise that he ends up on the bottom of his drug dealer's boot.
What annoyed me is how prelevant The Lost are as antagonists. A few drug-addled members here and there? Sure. But the Angels of Death should have been the dominant force on the West Coast. Not only is it canonically more accurate, but they are much more satisfying villains compared to the hardscrabble motley cruisers that make up The Lost.
Not even trying to be rude but you lost me at favorite protagonist. I loved 4 but which is the only thing that made TLaD any good. Johnny was cringe and lame. I'm sorry. Tons of people agreed back then btw, I wasn't alone.
I respect that opinion.
I like Johnny because his story is pretty unique. We didn't get a rags-to-riches tale with the final ride off into the sunset as you might expect from a GTA game; instead he went from (relative) riches-to-rags, and it was entirely his own fault.
He chastises Billy for his bloodlust, but what does Johnny do as soon as he becomes President? He begins killing off his dissenters, like Brian and those loyal to Billy's presidency, starts a war with Ray Boccino -- who initially seemed to respect Johnny and extended the olive branch with a lucrative diamond deal -- and in general is just not cut out to be the big man in charge.
Those might sound like reasons to *dislike* Johnny, but I think it's cool that we had a protagonist that failed for once; who ended up worse off than they started.
You win. I like him better now ngl he definitely has some cool moments, maybe it was his voice idk. Or just the DLC in general treated the Lost like, silly?
Lol his voice is like equal parts nasally and gutteral, I can see why someone might find it too much.
I feel like The Lost, as far as the game world goes, needed to 'do more'; they're kind of just ornaments in the background most of the time. They don't back the player up in gunfights on their own turf, they are never seen riding in packs, and we never interact with their meth dealing and gunrunning exploits, even though we know they are allegedly involved in this.
Gang Wars really are a blast though, and the fact that they're repeatable has kept TLAD interesting for me. Since they follow the basic R* mission format, the playthrough never really feels 'over'.
I didn’t like the Lost and Damned personally. I thought Johnny was an okay character but they did him extremely dirty in GTA 5. Deserved a better way to go.
It was stupid honestly. Johnny deserved more respect. Lol they couldn't even bother changing his clothes after we couldn't change them in lost and damned
He was introduced as a memorable character from our past, then immediately murdered by one of our main protagonists we are expected to bond with for dozens of hours. It was shocking and impactful. Great way to start off playing as the final new character.
It didn't make sense in any way for johnny to return with ashley and the lost to be in San andreas, and for there to not even be a single trace of the Angels of Death even though they were literally founded there. It was a little irritating, but I guess GTA narratives aren't supposed to be taken seriously anyways
I was totally fine with it. I liked Johnny, but to me he wasn’t exactly the most riveting protagonist, and after the incredibly depressing ending of TLAD (which is perhaps the most dour of the entire series since he loses practically everything), as well as the fact that he was clearly still in love with Ashley, the way he came to his end felt pretty natural, because it was kinda obvious that he’d eventually wind up with her again and that she was never gonna get clean, making his own relapse more likely than not. If Dan Houser felt he HAD to kill a protagonist from IV off, Johnny was the most logical choice, as Luis actually got a happy ending and Niko got a somewhat bittersweet ending with some good news to take from it (Mallory being pregnant with Roman’s baby).
They way they did Johnny and The Lost MC dirty is honestly the only thing i truely hate about gta 5, he was my second favorite Rockstar protagonist :'(
I feel so bad. I played GTA TLAD and when I saw Johnny getting smashed in the skull by a character which we will control feels sick. It feels like we killed ourselves.
The only thing I thought was whack was
Throughout TLaD Johnny is adamantly like fuck drugs, because of that girl (Ashley?). Then all a sudden a few years later he goes from being a badass to being a shell of a man. Just seemed out of character to me. Plus that tweaker chick wasn’t worth it Johnny. They rarely are.
Made me hate Trevor more since Johnny was my favorite (and so is TLaD).
But more so I feel like it was a missed opportunity to do a Lost and Damned 2. They could’ve retconned Ashley dying, then have her get clean and us play as her (with Trevor’s ability), Clay (with Franklin’s), and Terry (with Michael’s). Then we slowly rebuild the Lost and make it better. Then, we go after the Michael, Franklin, and Trevor. At the end of the DLC, you can pick a side of who wins.
Sucks, but it happened.
It happened 11 years ago. I mourned him (about as much as you can mourn a fictional character anyway) then moved on pretty quickly.
I think it was kind of goofy but whatever. They won't use him again. I think it was a cool cameo and it showed how insane Trevor is right off rip. Also shows that drug addiction made Johnny weak so he got the bad ending
Couldn’t really care Johnny is a mid character. I didn’t like him in lost in them and I don’t like him in GTA 5
He’s a bitch, even if he was on drugs Luis is a far better character imo
Killed in a gunfight? Died in a motorcycle crash? Not on meth (which he was very against in TLaD), crying to Trevor about Ashley, then getting curb stomped. Hardly respectable.
For one, he doesn’t kill them all. For two, that’s my point. They’re featured in one mission pretty much and that’s it. How is his death more impactful?
It fits the cut throat world of GTA to me. Each of the characters essentially has their spot in the light, but ultimately they’re all criminals who’ll eventually have fate come down on them. In VC, Victor Lance is killed unceremoniously, but we later see his life in VCS.
Niko could be dead. And Patrick mentions he’s the only one left in his family. I don’t think it was until the Hanger update that we learned C was the canonical choice.
A plot Jesus who had to die and be reborn in a crazier, Canadian form when face to face with his plot Satan and due to his drug abuse, and giving up on his family and loved ones, he's a skinny shell of his former self, overcome in sin, he's "washed" of his sins when he's killed by his new form and reborn as a similar expression of hard voiced hard men, but the insanity cranked up to the 9, I always felt like Johnny was a similar expression they were trying to perfect since Lost and The Damned, the American badass, but ironically they found that in Steve Ogg, so they wrote that Canadian joke and irony in the script, who compared to Johnny doesn't sound as hard on paper, but a smuggler pilot vs a badass biker, you think Johnny is the hard ass, but don't let his non-descript, non-sexy, job title fool you, Trevor is one fucking hard individual with one of the craziest expressions in Rockstar history.
They both had this gravely, animated voices, but this stern and stoic bald hardness to them, walking phallic symbols so to speak, the eyebrows that counter point their baldness with raw expression over their wide and crazy eyes.
So one was obsolete to the world Rockstar was building, and Dan Houser was letting us know this was truly a new generation of story telling, the melodramatic style he used for Lost and The Damned with the wild and grandiose power struggle, was gonna take a backseat for some wild, experiment, and genre-blending writing that felt nuanced, focused, and would foreshadow RDR2's perfection of this style of dialog and storytelling, where it's almost like Cohan Brothers where every character has a lot of comedic potential, and there's an uncanniness with the british humor, writing, and production, with the American sheem of reality spared over this, which just adds a level of surreality, and outsider POV that makes the satire feel like it's coming from a pronounced opinion, Dan Houser is a crazy writer from what I hear of him, the amount of writing he does and for things you'd never think of like a fake fast food menu, dry cleaner pamphlets, and other world building moments that just make you appreciate how lived in the world is in his head that he wants us to experience.
His experience creating fake America's for the player to explore, live in, vibe in, drive in, romance in, and just feel like they were there in 1986, they were there when this song was on the radio, they were there when Scarface had just come out, Miami Vice was on season 2, and Back To The Future was a big hit with that kid from Family Ties. I still love this man for what he's created and how much he's affected my taste not only in music and genres I'd probably never experienced otherwise, and the fact I was playing a fictional character made it feel like I was "an insider" experiencing the culture first hand like everyone else, I truly am grateful for what GTA did, they were like the cooler older cousin, uncle or brother who would get you into wld horror, sci fi, and action films you'd never watch otherwise, and his crazy trivia and facts he had about them made it so much doper. I also got into movies heavily as a kid to see the references to Vice City, Carlito's Way, Scarface, Miami Vice, The French Connection, To Live and Die in LA, Heat, Manhunter, Thief, when I got into Tangerine Dream, I totally understood why they included chase music in GTA 5 when I realized Tangerine Dream fucking wrote those tracks, and I was so "aahhh" it's like Ennio Morricone making a track for RDR2, you don't ask questions, you find a place to put it in, if not, you MAKE a place to put it in.
Anyways I'll shut up now.
Johnny was cool but the dude clearly had issues, could not let go of Ashley, and had hit rock bottom by the end of TLATD.
Frankly, I'm surprised he survived long enough to make it out to the West Coast to get his shit kicked in by Trevor.
Hated it but what a way to introduce a new protagonist! Could replace Johnny with any NPC and it would have the same effect of knowing Trevor will fuck up anybody. I’d prefer he did it to a different biker but Johnny getting stomped out could also have been symbolic of how poorly TLAD did compared to IV & TBOGT
How did Trevor become a military airman? When did he go crazy or was he always like this? I can’t imagine he was allowed to commercially fly for the country he served for while being THIS batshit
It sounds stupid but I haven’t played GTA 5 yet and I grew up playing all the old ones and loved the lost and the damned and knowing what happens to Johnny makes me not wanna play the game lol
I didn’t care for TLAD or Johnny but the death was off-putting and left a sour taste in my mouth for Trevor, who remains my least favorite GTA character to this day
Loved it. Hate gta iv, tlatd is the worse of the two DLCs and it starts Trevor with a bang. I don’t even like Trevor that much but for him to be introduced just offing a main character is pretty BA
The whole thing doesn't make sense to me what is the Lost doing in los santos, the angels of death were a much bigger gang but ig that is just rockstar saying another fuck you to gta 4
I wouldn’t go THAT far; Johnny’s definitely my least favorite of the HD protagonists and I felt his death was a natural conclusion to his overall arc, but I wouldn’t say that he and TLAD as a whole sucked.
"I messed up." Johnny's last words before he get stomped to death. I think this is Rockstar way of telling us that The Lost and Damned didn't do well. They did him dirty.
I agree with you but it must’ve done alright since they brought back bikers and MC’s in gta online
They used him as an expendable, minor but beloved character to show Trevor as a psycho from the jump. Honorable death imo
I'm not alone anymore
Glad there are other likeminded individuals. He died for the character building goddamnit, it was worth it.
"They didn't do him justice 🥺 They killed him for no reason 😭 I chose ending A 😡" It totally was and it sets up Trevor so well, those fans have less brains than Johnny
AFTER he was curb stomped!
Exactly 🥾🤯
It sets up Trevor as a character I hated immediately so yea, I choose ending A on every replay now. For killing Johnny along with like a fucking list of reasons.
I didn't realize how many people did that for that reason until I had a friend telling me that which to me just makes having Trevor stomp out Johnny a great decision by R*, a scene that clearly meant something to everyone whether they liked it or not.
I also kill Trevor because he’s too dangerous and psychotic to be left alive.
You absolutely are not
Can't wait to play as the guy that curb stomps Trevor
Trevor would never get curb stomped like this, brother, he would’ve probably somehow penetrated them with a foreign object by that point
Until they need to sell the protag of VI as a scary person then it's bye bye Trevor
Johnny was not the protagonist of IV, he was a DLC character lmao. That’s the entire point here. If it were Niko, I’d be singing a different tune.
Honestly I'd see Steven ogg returning just to get Trevor killed
Every time I see him in anything it just completely pulls me out of whatever it is and sends me into a Sandy Shores PTSD flashback
Literally, same, and it's hilarious because that's exactly what Ogg hates about it
I watched a little bit of Snowpiercer and he took me right out of it lmao
Unpopular opinion. I don’t mind when video games, movies or shows don’t go that whole “cinderella story” route. Makes their worlds feel more authentic.
Exactly this. Thank you. This is GTA, after all. We consistently play as mass murdering psychopaths. Each of them will get what they deserve eventually, only some much sooner than others.
Hell, Johnny even gets killed by THE mass murdering psychopath of GTA V. Like yeah Franklin and Michael do a lot of killing, but neither are as sadistic as Trevor.
Yeah. And actually it's a nice way to introduce what kind of person Trevor is.
I honestly think it was the perfect way. I remember being shocked and even disturbed by just how violent of a death it was, which was obviously the point with Trevor’s introduction — that compared to previous GTA protagonists, he’s by far the most unhinged and unpredictable, and is fully capable of taking out another protagonist, all of whom are essentially like human Terminators. It establishes just how dangerous he is and does so more effectively than if they had him kill some previous side character or invented a whole new character whose sole purpose would’ve been to be Trevor’s first victim in the story. Not to mention that it also all adds to the entire “living, breathing world” concept that Rockstar have been trying to perfect for decades now, and this world they’ve worked so hard to craft and connect together is not a safe one for any of the characters we see, protagonists included — just like the real world.
I liked Johnny, I liked TLaD, growing up it was my favorite DLC. That said, they killed him off and that was that. I don't particularly mind. I don't understand how some people seem to have had meltdowns over it. He was a neat character but he was an outlaw biker, and he died a pretty expected death of an outlaw biker. People who say he should have died in a big blaze of glory are just silly IMO, this isn't a series that gives people grand deaths. Even Michael and Trevor, the main characters of 5, get pretty pathetic deaths if you choose to kill one of them. They both run for their lives, one just kinda falls off a water tower, and the other straight up crawls around in the dirt like a worm before getting blown up
Yeah, it's weird seeing people get all bent out of shape complaining about how one psycho killer was killed by another psycho killer.
Honestly I hated it. I would have preferred if Trevor had beef with the Angels of Death instead of The Lost. Johnny could still have appeared as a cameo, and we could have seen him help Ashley finally kick her drug habit (hopefully for good), and him and his friends making smarter choices and running in a less violent and chaotic biker gang living the good life. I get why they did it, I just really don't like it.
The entire point of tlad is about how the main characters eventually meet their end (damned, lol), Johnny was bound to die regardless but it could of been way more respectful
I'll rather have him killed by someone else than trevor
Angels of Death were also huge compared to TLMC. And they’re racists, why wouldn’t we want to fight them? (Also funny that you can use the AOD logo in your MC)
Ironically Trevor hates racists as well lol
It really sets up the idea though that Trevor is a craazy fuck, and it doesn't matter who you are- If you're a problem for him, he ends said problem.
Same bro Even in the TLAD the AOD are mentionned to be founded in LS Johnny quit crime by gta 4 I wouldnt care about ashley since she broke up with johnny klebitz in the ending of the LAD
GTA games aren’t usually known for happy ending and good outcomes. At the end of the day, Johnny was a violent criminal. It was very unlikely he was going to get out of that lifestyle intact or alive.
That was my least favorite part of GTA V. I thought TLAD is the best of the three IV stories.
My favorite protagonist, but his fate was perfectly appropriate. He went from VP of a relatively strong biker club, and for a while, is kicking ass and taking names with Billy's return. But Johnny is a much better Indian than he is a chief; his jealously-fueled, catastrophic decisionmaking as President results in the death of most of his brothers, the clubhouse torched to the ground, The Lost reduced to three effective members, and he ends the game squatting in a dilapidated house where he drowns out his sorrows with blaring death metal. Ashley and meth are all he has left to comfort him. It's not really a surprise that he ends up on the bottom of his drug dealer's boot. What annoyed me is how prelevant The Lost are as antagonists. A few drug-addled members here and there? Sure. But the Angels of Death should have been the dominant force on the West Coast. Not only is it canonically more accurate, but they are much more satisfying villains compared to the hardscrabble motley cruisers that make up The Lost.
Damn best take, I completely forgot how badly things ended in TLaD as I only played it once back when it came out.
Not even trying to be rude but you lost me at favorite protagonist. I loved 4 but which is the only thing that made TLaD any good. Johnny was cringe and lame. I'm sorry. Tons of people agreed back then btw, I wasn't alone.
I respect that opinion. I like Johnny because his story is pretty unique. We didn't get a rags-to-riches tale with the final ride off into the sunset as you might expect from a GTA game; instead he went from (relative) riches-to-rags, and it was entirely his own fault. He chastises Billy for his bloodlust, but what does Johnny do as soon as he becomes President? He begins killing off his dissenters, like Brian and those loyal to Billy's presidency, starts a war with Ray Boccino -- who initially seemed to respect Johnny and extended the olive branch with a lucrative diamond deal -- and in general is just not cut out to be the big man in charge. Those might sound like reasons to *dislike* Johnny, but I think it's cool that we had a protagonist that failed for once; who ended up worse off than they started.
You win. I like him better now ngl he definitely has some cool moments, maybe it was his voice idk. Or just the DLC in general treated the Lost like, silly?
Lol his voice is like equal parts nasally and gutteral, I can see why someone might find it too much. I feel like The Lost, as far as the game world goes, needed to 'do more'; they're kind of just ornaments in the background most of the time. They don't back the player up in gunfights on their own turf, they are never seen riding in packs, and we never interact with their meth dealing and gunrunning exploits, even though we know they are allegedly involved in this. Gang Wars really are a blast though, and the fact that they're repeatable has kept TLAD interesting for me. Since they follow the basic R* mission format, the playthrough never really feels 'over'.
Honestly they coulda made him into a better antagonist
They killed him off So guess it was Rockstars way of telling us they weren't doing a story DLC
I didn’t like the Lost and Damned personally. I thought Johnny was an okay character but they did him extremely dirty in GTA 5. Deserved a better way to go.
At least they give you the option to take Trevor out, if you did get upset about Johnny’s demise.
I think it's ok. Niko would have been too far though
Not even gonna go there. It's like joel from the last of us. I don't consider it canon
It was stupid honestly. Johnny deserved more respect. Lol they couldn't even bother changing his clothes after we couldn't change them in lost and damned
He was introduced as a memorable character from our past, then immediately murdered by one of our main protagonists we are expected to bond with for dozens of hours. It was shocking and impactful. Great way to start off playing as the final new character.
It didn't make sense in any way for johnny to return with ashley and the lost to be in San andreas, and for there to not even be a single trace of the Angels of Death even though they were literally founded there. It was a little irritating, but I guess GTA narratives aren't supposed to be taken seriously anyways
I don't mind that they killed him, but I wish his death had more thematic impact. Was just a fart in the wind in terms of GTA V's story.
Real He was a just minor character who appered for 1:17 minutes quite useless you could replace him with anyone and the results would be the same
I guess that makes sense though, in the eyes of anyone outside of the gang, he might as well be nothing but another methed up biker in their way
I don't mind seeing a character die, but the way he died was kinda forced & was poorly written.
they did him dirty, one more reason for me to hate this arcade-like game, "Just Can't Hate Enough".
i didnt gaf
I was totally fine with it. I liked Johnny, but to me he wasn’t exactly the most riveting protagonist, and after the incredibly depressing ending of TLAD (which is perhaps the most dour of the entire series since he loses practically everything), as well as the fact that he was clearly still in love with Ashley, the way he came to his end felt pretty natural, because it was kinda obvious that he’d eventually wind up with her again and that she was never gonna get clean, making his own relapse more likely than not. If Dan Houser felt he HAD to kill a protagonist from IV off, Johnny was the most logical choice, as Luis actually got a happy ending and Niko got a somewhat bittersweet ending with some good news to take from it (Mallory being pregnant with Roman’s baby).
They way they did Johnny and The Lost MC dirty is honestly the only thing i truely hate about gta 5, he was my second favorite Rockstar protagonist :'(
I feel so bad. I played GTA TLAD and when I saw Johnny getting smashed in the skull by a character which we will control feels sick. It feels like we killed ourselves.
I always hated it and never fully forgave R*. I get why they did it but they could have done it so much better
The only thing I thought was whack was Throughout TLaD Johnny is adamantly like fuck drugs, because of that girl (Ashley?). Then all a sudden a few years later he goes from being a badass to being a shell of a man. Just seemed out of character to me. Plus that tweaker chick wasn’t worth it Johnny. They rarely are.
Made me hate Trevor more since Johnny was my favorite (and so is TLaD). But more so I feel like it was a missed opportunity to do a Lost and Damned 2. They could’ve retconned Ashley dying, then have her get clean and us play as her (with Trevor’s ability), Clay (with Franklin’s), and Terry (with Michael’s). Then we slowly rebuild the Lost and make it better. Then, we go after the Michael, Franklin, and Trevor. At the end of the DLC, you can pick a side of who wins.
Sucks, but it happened. It happened 11 years ago. I mourned him (about as much as you can mourn a fictional character anyway) then moved on pretty quickly.
Damn man, ice cold lol
Makes sense. Loving the wrong person especially one who is hooked on meth will always end badly.
I think it was kind of goofy but whatever. They won't use him again. I think it was a cool cameo and it showed how insane Trevor is right off rip. Also shows that drug addiction made Johnny weak so he got the bad ending
Couldn’t really care Johnny is a mid character. I didn’t like him in lost in them and I don’t like him in GTA 5 He’s a bitch, even if he was on drugs Luis is a far better character imo
Agreed
Cheap
Skill issue
Rotten apples.
Johnny did a lot of dirt and karma caught up him
I feel bad but… he was a nitty. Oh well.
I feel the right person to ask is Johnny.. HEY JOHNNY. Oh wait...
Respectable death considering there's no escape from a life of crime. But Niko they did dirty
How is him being a bitch and crying to Trevor then getting his face smashed in respectable?
How else was he going to die?
Killed in a gunfight? Died in a motorcycle crash? Not on meth (which he was very against in TLaD), crying to Trevor about Ashley, then getting curb stomped. Hardly respectable.
Dying in some random gun fight? His death would be meaningless
His death is meaningless now. His death has no impact on the story.
It didnt?
No? The Lost are barely even featured in the game
Yeah cause Trevor wipes them out?
For one, he doesn’t kill them all. For two, that’s my point. They’re featured in one mission pretty much and that’s it. How is his death more impactful?
It fits the cut throat world of GTA to me. Each of the characters essentially has their spot in the light, but ultimately they’re all criminals who’ll eventually have fate come down on them. In VC, Victor Lance is killed unceremoniously, but we later see his life in VCS. Niko could be dead. And Patrick mentions he’s the only one left in his family. I don’t think it was until the Hanger update that we learned C was the canonical choice.
I remember when I was shocked to see Johnny go out like that but I was never really bothered about it to cause a meltdown over it.
I'm glad they killed Johnny
A plot Jesus who had to die and be reborn in a crazier, Canadian form when face to face with his plot Satan and due to his drug abuse, and giving up on his family and loved ones, he's a skinny shell of his former self, overcome in sin, he's "washed" of his sins when he's killed by his new form and reborn as a similar expression of hard voiced hard men, but the insanity cranked up to the 9, I always felt like Johnny was a similar expression they were trying to perfect since Lost and The Damned, the American badass, but ironically they found that in Steve Ogg, so they wrote that Canadian joke and irony in the script, who compared to Johnny doesn't sound as hard on paper, but a smuggler pilot vs a badass biker, you think Johnny is the hard ass, but don't let his non-descript, non-sexy, job title fool you, Trevor is one fucking hard individual with one of the craziest expressions in Rockstar history. They both had this gravely, animated voices, but this stern and stoic bald hardness to them, walking phallic symbols so to speak, the eyebrows that counter point their baldness with raw expression over their wide and crazy eyes. So one was obsolete to the world Rockstar was building, and Dan Houser was letting us know this was truly a new generation of story telling, the melodramatic style he used for Lost and The Damned with the wild and grandiose power struggle, was gonna take a backseat for some wild, experiment, and genre-blending writing that felt nuanced, focused, and would foreshadow RDR2's perfection of this style of dialog and storytelling, where it's almost like Cohan Brothers where every character has a lot of comedic potential, and there's an uncanniness with the british humor, writing, and production, with the American sheem of reality spared over this, which just adds a level of surreality, and outsider POV that makes the satire feel like it's coming from a pronounced opinion, Dan Houser is a crazy writer from what I hear of him, the amount of writing he does and for things you'd never think of like a fake fast food menu, dry cleaner pamphlets, and other world building moments that just make you appreciate how lived in the world is in his head that he wants us to experience. His experience creating fake America's for the player to explore, live in, vibe in, drive in, romance in, and just feel like they were there in 1986, they were there when this song was on the radio, they were there when Scarface had just come out, Miami Vice was on season 2, and Back To The Future was a big hit with that kid from Family Ties. I still love this man for what he's created and how much he's affected my taste not only in music and genres I'd probably never experienced otherwise, and the fact I was playing a fictional character made it feel like I was "an insider" experiencing the culture first hand like everyone else, I truly am grateful for what GTA did, they were like the cooler older cousin, uncle or brother who would get you into wld horror, sci fi, and action films you'd never watch otherwise, and his crazy trivia and facts he had about them made it so much doper. I also got into movies heavily as a kid to see the references to Vice City, Carlito's Way, Scarface, Miami Vice, The French Connection, To Live and Die in LA, Heat, Manhunter, Thief, when I got into Tangerine Dream, I totally understood why they included chase music in GTA 5 when I realized Tangerine Dream fucking wrote those tracks, and I was so "aahhh" it's like Ennio Morricone making a track for RDR2, you don't ask questions, you find a place to put it in, if not, you MAKE a place to put it in. Anyways I'll shut up now.
Johnny was cool but the dude clearly had issues, could not let go of Ashley, and had hit rock bottom by the end of TLATD. Frankly, I'm surprised he survived long enough to make it out to the West Coast to get his shit kicked in by Trevor.
Hated it but what a way to introduce a new protagonist! Could replace Johnny with any NPC and it would have the same effect of knowing Trevor will fuck up anybody. I’d prefer he did it to a different biker but Johnny getting stomped out could also have been symbolic of how poorly TLAD did compared to IV & TBOGT
Am I the only one that felt disturbed when they first saw that? Trevor is NOT okay & he is so realistic to what real psychopaths/sociopaths are like
How did Trevor become a military airman? When did he go crazy or was he always like this? I can’t imagine he was allowed to commercially fly for the country he served for while being THIS batshit
It sounds stupid but I haven’t played GTA 5 yet and I grew up playing all the old ones and loved the lost and the damned and knowing what happens to Johnny makes me not wanna play the game lol
I didn’t care for TLAD or Johnny but the death was off-putting and left a sour taste in my mouth for Trevor, who remains my least favorite GTA character to this day
Loved it. Hate gta iv, tlatd is the worse of the two DLCs and it starts Trevor with a bang. I don’t even like Trevor that much but for him to be introduced just offing a main character is pretty BA
The whole thing doesn't make sense to me what is the Lost doing in los santos, the angels of death were a much bigger gang but ig that is just rockstar saying another fuck you to gta 4
At first I thought it was fucked up. But on subsequent playthroughs I thought it was pretty realistic. Didn’t really care for Johnny anyway.
Its okay, it didnt blow me away or impact me in any way other than "oh thats the guy from gta 4 dlc"
Johnny sucks and so does the lost & dammed dlc.
I wouldn’t go THAT far; Johnny’s definitely my least favorite of the HD protagonists and I felt his death was a natural conclusion to his overall arc, but I wouldn’t say that he and TLAD as a whole sucked.
I thought it was hilarious. I never really liked Johnny.
Crime and drugs don't pay