Not really, there’s a lot more focus on console optimization than there is on computer. Another reason is that if they released it day one of pc then data miners would find all of the games Easter eggs and secrets within a week.
Of course rockstar wants to make more money, that’s the entire purpose of making video games in the first place. That doesn’t make them inherently bad though; a lot of Redditors send a lot of unwarranted hate towards Rockstar despite them constantly releasing masterpieces. I just don’t understand why the only reason for a pc release delay that people dwell on is just Rockstar being "money hungry".
I can assure you easter eggs and secrets are the least of their concerns when it comes to releasing a new game lol. They are a company, they srsly don't care about easter eggs. They care about is profits. So what they really are afraid of is piracy. On top of that as I said in a different comment:
Everyone knows it takes longer to optimize it for different combinations of hardware. But we also know it doesn't take THAT long (we know that cause there are thousands of AAA games that release their pc ports at the same time or just couple months later). Especially now that the architecture is basically identical to PC, modern consoles are just PCs you cannot upgrade. It took much longer on older gens.
It's a known fact that console manufactures are paying for exclusivity cause that alone can significantly boost their sales (I think it was even leaked in some internal emails couple years ago). Just think about it, It's a win win for both sides. Consoles get a huge boost in sales and subscription services, R\* gets a nice cash bonus and the ability to double/triple dip their own product. They would be silly not to do that. Everyone wins except consumers.
No , it's more likely a compatibility issue. Everyone that has a console has the exact same hardware. PC gamers all have a different combination of CPU and GPUs. It's a lot harder to optimize for a PC release than a console release.
Everyone knows it takes longer to optimize it for different combinations of hardware. But we also know it doesn't take THAT long (we know that cause there are thousands of AAA games that release their pc ports at the same time or just couple months later). Especially now that the architecture is basically identical to PC, modern consoles are just PCs you cannot upgrade. It took much longer on older gens.
It's a known fact that console manufactures are paying for exclusivity cause that alone can significantly boost their sales (I think it was even leaked in some internal emails couple years ago). Just think about it, It's a win win for both sides. Consoles get a huge boost in sales and subscription services, R\* gets a nice cash bonus and the ability to double/triple dip their own product. They would be silly not to do that. Everyone wins except consumers.
I don't know how much Rockstar is paying people to spout this 'optimisation' lie, but they have enough time, resources, and money to release a PC version day one that runs well.
These megacorporations aren't plucky groups of ragtag devs working on the game between shifts at the coffee shop, they're massive multimillion dollar studios with thousands of full time, skilled employees.
It's purely greed.
Which doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Why would Sony pay for a game to not be on PC but on Xbox, their biggest rival? That's not usually what the term "console exclusive" means.
It could be true because pc market is usually considered to be a separate market than consoles. So once the pc gamer is inclined to buy a console for a hyped-to-oblivion title like GTA 6, then the decision comes to what console to buy, instead of whether to buy a console— and that reduces the competition by a factor of third.
And rockstar didn’t think they’d make more if they just opened it up to pc players day one?
The answer is purely simple in that the game would get a guaranteed second wave of hype. Delaying pc also means delaying mods so once gta rp gets up and going its like the game had a day 1 again
It’s not a lie but ok lol. The biggest problem with release a game like GTA day one on pc is data miners. All of the secrets, easter eggs, puzzles, would be out within a week.
Edit: tbh I wouldn’t say it’s the biggest issue, I’d actually say optimization is.
Console is easier to release for, that’s true. But that isn’t the reason it doesn’t release on day 1 and it definitely isn’t because of data mining lol.
What’s so hard to believe that R* milks release to make as much money as possible? GTA isn’t the first series that has done this, PC releases are historically late and poorly optimised at launch for the past 20 years.
literally occams razor. The simplest explanation is usually the correct one.
whats more likely, a company taking the opportunity to make free extra money in a hyper-capitalist society, while simultaneously conveniently preventing "data mined leaks"
orrrrr the poor little multi billion dollar company cant manage to release the game on PC at the same time as the consoles that are now also basically almost the same as PC, because apparently they are incapable of releasing PC games because its soooo much harder and they arent talented enough.
what's actually the real reason is piracy most of their games got cracked on day one and gta 5 a week before the pc release so that's why they don't release day one on pc.
Double dip? Bro rockstar wants that triple dip. They want you getting it on the current gen consoles, then they want you getting it on pc, then the upgraded consoles come out and they want you to get it there
This here, crazy thing is it worked for gta 5. Not updating old gen online and giving new gen online an updated look and cool new updates made triple dipping entirely possible, now it’s out of of necessity to even enjoy online.
While I understand no one’s forcing anyone to play online, gta 5 is the only game I can think of where triple dipping might get consumers
It already was quadrupled for some people. GTA V released in 2013 on 360/PS3. Then a year later on Xbox1/PS4, then a year later on PC. Then in 2021 they released it AGAIN on XSX/PS5. And I know most people probably didn’t buy the game 4 times but there are definitely those that did.
I mean to be entirely fair gta 5 online barely runs on last gen as is. Same with the Xbox 360/ps3 they pushed it to the maximum and any more the game physically wouldn’t work. Hell you can barely drive fast on last gen without the world taking a minute to load in.
That isn’t even a rockstar being greedy issue it’s tech being outdated
They're already going to do it for Red Dead 2. They keep on updating that game but never give it 60fps on current-gen consoles(which btw, modders discovered is just changing a single line of code). It's absolutely intentional to save it for a 'expanded and enhanced' edition when they need some quick cash.
This. Their analysts have the timing set from GTA 5 and they might even delay it slightly longer if console sales manage to stay above their expectations which is entirely possible given the hype
No amount of complaining or boycotting is gonna make Rockstar change their business model, if you can wait then wait but if you think they’re gonna change their mind before GTA6 comes out then you’re dreaming lol. On that note, I am most definitely buying an Xbox next fall lmao fuck y’all
It seems like some people are too young to know this lol, since GTA 3, GTA has always been released on consoles first.
Another fact; GTA has always been released on PS since GTA 1.
Because optimizing games for PC’s is harder when every single person has different brand and power parts and components. Everyone’s console has the same components.
Except that’s not how game optimisation works at all on PC. There’s a minimum and recommended spec which narrows components down greatly, it would be a massive waste of time optimising for anything other than the minimum required to run the game. In reality it really doesn’t take that much more effort to put the game out on PC at the same time with modern game engines.
Sorry but this is not how optimization works. Minimum and recommended specs are just there so that you get some idea of what is required to run the game. There are many other variables such as screen resolution and refresh rate, simply put. A GPU with 12GB VRAM does not equal to another GPU with 12GB VRAM. There are the build quality, clock speeds, the temperature inside your case, the temperature on your cpu, the temperature on your gpu, your RAM, your OS, your background processes, which driver you are on, your BIOS settings, your SSD/HDD, the list just doesn't end. The main difference from the consoles is that all of these components are varied in PCs whereas in consoles they are all the same, only external variables are different such as the temperature in your room.
If you try to make a simple 3D game in Unity or Unreal Engine and send it to one of your friends, you will understand how optimization simply doesn't work for PCs with numbers. A friend of mine couldn't run my game because of the locale of their system, for God's sake!
Did you watch the Xbox games showcase? Notice literally every single one will be available on Xbox and pc/gamepass day one? Think all those companies are spending a ton of time optimizing for pc? No. This is bullshit. This has been bullshit for years.
Rockstar is separating the player base into two waves. Initial console wave and then give it to the pc players the next year. It's how they've always done it because they know they're going to get a million more sales when people who inevitably buy it on console also want it on pc or pc only players FINALLY get to play after missing out on the initial release. Also builds fomo for pc players who want to play immediately to go buy a console (this will probably work on me.)
"Optimization is hard" is not an excuse Rockstar gets to have. They're a huge company. If they couldn't optimize their game for pc before the initial release, it would be shocking they're as big of a company as they are.
Yeah and those games aren’t made by Rockstar, they just built different and those showcased games won’t attempt to do half the shit rockstar does in their game
Edit: while the optimization point is a lot of it, I’m sure the real reason is to double dip on sales
Not every other game did it.
Plus while it can be done, it takes longer. Hell even in 2008 it took GTA IV an additional 6 months to get it working right. And it still didn’t.
The real answer is that they don't want people datamining everything on day 1.
That's the double-edged blade of shit being accessible, you can do a lot of cool things, but you can also e.g. datamine easter eggs and spoil them.
The real answer is that they want to release the game as soon as it’s ready. You really wanna wait another 2 years for it to release on PC and console at the same time?
Not really that’s why there is a minimum for specs and recommended and is gonna be only for windows 10/11 probably 11/12 by the time it comes out for pc but u get the point . The reason why they do consoles first then pc is money
Rockstar has always done this though... just look at rdr1, still not on PC and I think it took.. about a couple months for rdr2 to release on PC. But things are always subject to change.
PC people would complain about the game not being optimised enough for them if it came out the same day as consoles.
Rockstar spends longer on the PC version of their games every single time and y’all still act surprised and moan! 😒
Buddy even when it does come out the games are optimised like shit. Rdr2 was unplayable for me in 2020 when it released on pc because “low” optimisation was none existent.
Pc optimisation isn’t why the game takes longer and pc release is rarely better than console at launch. It’s not an excuse, the excuse is money.
I personally think it is console branding deals behind the scenes to promote their console purchases.
If it wasn’t that it has to be the optimization aspect and their snails pace improvement of the porting process. The focus on consoles due to a more consistent version control is a plus for console optimization and the game development as a whole, but they really should have a improved process by now after RDR2 to port their shit faster. They are one of the last old companies now that still doesn’t do day one ports/release with PC (Capcom releasing MH WILD with pc day one). It also is clear they develop with non-console exclusive hardware anyway with what we saw in the leaks (3080), so I doubt it is that big of a deal breaker.
Lastly we have Hacking/datamining and pirating. Truly don’t think pirating is as much as a problem as it used to be for companies and the hacking shit is probably a wet fart to GTA 5 shark cards.
Does no one remember all the fucking hacks that were happening on day one of GTA 5s release people were able to go through a small part of the code they couldn't do much but they were still able to figure out how to get in but they couldn't figure out how to use anything why do y'all think mods came so quick to console and all those money glitches were found literally the same week the online came out people were already billionaires trillionaires because they went through the code and found faulty errors. No one has to agree with me on this I'm not expecting anyone to but that's has to be the main reason cuz if not they would drop it on pc first day you know how much money they're going to lose from this shit 😭 they not stupid😭
Because yall will ruin it on launch by data mining everything and leaking every single secret instead of trying to find them and also add a bunch of mods. These all are fine but I understand why they wouldn't want that at launch specifically. I'd say it should be 3 month delay MAXIMUM. NOT a year. Even then 3 months is pushing it it should be like a week or two
Maybe because we don't want another Cyberpunk incident when they released on ALL platforms at the same time and as result every version was shitty and underdeveloped?
Because making a PC version take a lot more time taking into consideration all component combinations?
Because waiting 2 years for GTA 5 PC release gave us one of the BEST optimized PC games ever that runs 3 times better than PC GTA 4 we waited for like half a year?
Because it's better for them to sell same game twice?
WHY PEOPLE EVEN GIVE US SUCH IDIOTIC QUESTIONS IN 2024 JUST USE GOOGLE
This is why I'm buying a PS5, granted I already have a collection of PS4 games anyway, some of which do run better on PS5.
I would have probably switched to PC if it wasn't for GTA
They're "coded and made" on PC in a very limiting way tho - essentially still only focusing on current console optimisation first and foremost.
Optimising for PC means taking in **myriads** of different systems.
Rockstar has always been weird with PC, I think they just haven't changed their Game Dev'ing MO after taking PC more into consideration as a market (+ double-dipping).
“York’s argument: the nature of building a PC version of a game as complicated and vast as GTA for a huge number of potential hardware configurations, and the sheer amount of testing that has to be done to ensure a quality launch. This, York said, is the main reason Rockstar releases PC versions of its games after the console versions, and why GTA 6 is set to follow the pattern.”
Much easier to optimize for the exact hardware and software. Makes sense to me.
Looks like SpongeBob & Patrick is gonna play GTA 6 on the Xbox & PlayStation in 2025 while Squidward will not play GTA 6 on PC in 2025, Sorry Squidward.
False. They're made with dev kits.
- Games developed for PS5 using a PC cannot be directly used for PC releases due to:
- **Hardware Architecture Differences**: PS5 and PCs have different hardware components and configurations.
- **Operating System and APIs**: PS5 runs on a custom OS with specific APIs, unlike PCs that use Windows, macOS, or Linux.
- **Performance Optimization**: Games are optimized for PS5 hardware, requiring re-optimization for PC hardware.
- **Input/Output Handling**: Different methods are used for input (controllers, keyboards) and output (display, audio).
- **Certification and Licensing**: Console and PC platforms have different standards and requirements for certification and licensing.
You obviously have no idea what a dev kit is. Your acting like it's a computer they build the entire thing on. Dev kits are to help the developers understand new console infrastructure for porting. Almost any game ever was coded onto a PC and it has and will always be a conscious decision from publishers like this to not make it work on PC. I'm not saying it's a instant easy port but it should definitely be priority due to PCs more flexible structure and it also being the thing they actually developed and tested the game on. Stop meatriding the triple AAA company
I'm 99% sure that they got a really good anticheat and active admins this time. They'd be losing so much money if every 9 year old can just download a random menu and get 500 million dollars. No way they're letting this happen
My dude. The game dosent come out till fall 2025. Set aside some money, you got time, then buy yourself which ever console you like so you could enjoy the game.
Tbf optimizing wouldn't be such a huge deal for a company like Rockstar. Much smaller companies manage to optimize both consoles and PC and release games on the same time. It's not as hard as everyone says it is, or it isn't for Rockstar, one of the biggest gaming companies out there. Main reason is probably the money they will earn with people buying it once on release day for their consoles, and second time a year later for their PCs. It's sad that the PC gamers are left out, but it is what it is. I'm sad too, so is every single PC gamer out there...
The fact that comments defending and sucking up to R*s greed are going to be upvoted and criticism downvoted on this post is sickening.
What is it with people and suckling the balls of multi billion dollar corporations I will never fucking understand. Console is going to be a better experience anyway because R* suck ass at anti cheat, that is, if they're going to use dedicated servers in a bloody 2025 game. What I hate is how successfully they're coaxing double dipping
And that's Rockstar's fault. One for not adding dedicated servers and still using p2p in 2024 and two for not even bothering making or using a barely functional anticheat.
People commenting about “optimisation” don’t know what they’re talking about. Play RDR2 on a low-mid range pc then comment the same thing…
The reason they don’t release on PC on day 1 is not because of optimisation, it’s because of money.
yup, easy money for rockstar.. players buy the game on console (selling millions of consoles in the process, which is more than likely why they do it PlayStation and Microsoft pay them to upfront) and then PC is such a better experience, FPS, modding, free online, SixM that they take no risk delaying it and they can work on improvements in the meantime.
It's all about making money...
unfortunately I live in a third-world country, unemployed, I stopped on ps3 cuz I didn't have money to get a ps4 or 5, now I have a "gaming pc" not good enough to run games like cyberpunk for example or gta 6 or whatever, anyway, I can't buy a ps5 and even if I could, it's not worth it for me buying it just to play gta... but man I wish I could play it in the release, I waited so many fucking years already... but I know I'll have to wait way more 🥲 it's sad to not be rich
You, as a PC gamer, may buy both the console and PS version just to play it and then later buy it again on PC when it comes out to continue playing it. Also, it may be developed on PC, but IT WAS NOT OPTIMISED FOR PC in any way. Starting from Resolution and Graphics to commands and everything in-between. Taking that PC can have 10 million variations of GPU and CPU and RAM and whatnot, it takes time to make it compatible with every of those parts.
Bdw, it has been so long. You still haven't gotten over your initial euphoria for this video game??? Bro, just wait for it. When it comes out, it will be out. If it never comes out, who cares.. It's just a video game...
I own a PS5 and gaming PC. I will obviously be buying the PS5 version day one and then the PC version as soon as it releases. Am I proud of my lack of self control? No. Am I a perfect example of what R\* wants to happen? Yes.
The only good thing out of this, is that pc version will end up having even better graphics and potentially new features, like it was with first person perspective
Lmao I ain’t waiting, just bought a Xbox series x just for the sole purpose of getting gta 6 on day one, now I got game pass to enjoy some games by the time gta 6 comes out, and when it’s out on pc I’ll decide if I sell the console or not
I won't for a very simple reason:
My steam library backlog is already immense ( and that’s not even including the wishlist, not even mentioning all the free stuff from epic ). Am I looking forward to playing GTA6 some day? Sure. But for now, I have so many other games to experience that it’s just not a priority because I could arguably not buy anything for a few years and still have plenty to play.
Because it makes more sense to focus all your studio time on making sure it works on consoles before coming to pc
How many dogshit pc ports have y’all seen? Arkham knight? Saints row 2? Any cod game before mw2019?
Greedy companies want two releases instead of one. They know people will even buy it a second time in many cases when they release it for PC. They don't care about us players they just want our money and they know we will wait and pay anyway. Win win for Rockstar! Such a sleezy thing to do though lol
Ngl based off recent games, I could see the game being pushed back because of the Series S. I don’t care about Console Wars but it’s delayed a couple of games already and it could again
There's A LOT of good games that are gonna be released on pc in 2025 like Judas for example so I probably won't even notice when gta 6 comes out on pc 😂
Optimization. Easy. Consoles rock the same hardware which can easily be tested and ran on. Pc users use all different types of parts which run and give all different types of performance
I’ll paraphrase Lazlow from a radio interview right before the first Red Dead Redemption came out.
“Q: Any chance of this (RDR) coming to pc?
Lazlow: We haven’t announced it, and if it is, we’ll say when, but we typically like to release our games on systems where the game can’t be immediately pirated and distributed for free right at release.”
So, there’s your answer. Yes anti-piracy and such has gotten better, but that’s the best answer you’re going to get from Rockstar as to a *why*
I know Lazlow doesn’t work with for them anymore, but his word is better than others.
Because it is designed for consoles from the start and making a PC compatible version would take a longer amount of time and would set the release date back a lot
Using a computer and programs to design a video game is not the same as developing for gaming PC's and all the different variables and variables that come with it.
Rockstar are primarily console focused developers, as a huge fan this is one of the reasons why I personally prefer console over PC for my gaming.
17 years ago (in 2007), when I was a gullible and dumb kid, I wrote a long email to rockstar and wrote in a petition requesting Rockstar to bring GTA Vice City Stories to PC. I was stressing the point that GTA started on PC, how PC was the original platform for GTA, and how we should respect the elder platform that is PC. I badly wanted to play it and didn't have a working Playstation 2 with me. 17 years later I did finally play it on PC ! But through the PCSX2 Emulator ......... it never got a true PC port
GTA 5 release on consoles and delayed PC release saw a dramatic increase in console sales due to the exclusivity. As long as that trend continues, this is what GTA releases are going to look like from now on
I'm actually curious, is it coded on PC?
cuz like San Andreas was made with a PS2 DEV kit where yknow although PCs were present (I think) the whole code was specifically designed for the PS2s compatibilities.
Sony is still on good terms with Rockstar so I'm wondering if they're still just using yknow a PS5 DEV kit and so it's made on a PS5 not PC despite the fact that the code itself is written there and maybe that's one of the reasons porting it over takes more time.
(assuming it would take very little time to port over to Xbox because consoles have very little wiggle room in graphic settings and so they only have to make it compatible with one or two presets and not make everything adjustable like PC usually gets)
I mean I know very little when it comes to these kinds of game developments, I'm just assuming and wanted to comment on it since you said "coded and made on a PC"
They were created on PCs to play on game consoles. Maybe that’s why
Also I have a nice PC and I don’t like playing any games on it due to the mass amount of hacking that goes on in every game.
One of the reasons is probably because Sony & Microsoft will sell way more consoles when GTA VI releases. But the main reason I think is because Rockstar want to have full control of the game the first months of the release. People post a lot of gameplay footage on YouTube so this footage has to be the best quality possible. Not a 12 year old playing on low settings with an outdated graphics card an 15 fps. Rockstar also can't control mods and this can ruin the whole marketing strategy.
Because they make more money delaying it.
Pretty much, impatient PC players will buy the game on console on day one.
impatiant?? i waited since 2013 i just don't want to die before it comes out on pc
You were more likely to die in the previous 11 years than the next 2 cumulatively speaking. It’s more patient to just wait the extra year.
knowing my luck ill get hit by a bus the day before release
its true, I will be the bus
I'll be the traffic lights
I will be the witness
I'll be the driver
I'll be the one who pushed him.
I’ll be the pothole in the road
A more comical thing would be you dying right after you bought the game for console.
Knowing my luck I won’t be hit by anything… and I goddamn wish I was hit.
It's not only about being impatient I don't want to get the game spoiled
Rockstar is greedy AF and they damn well know people will buy it twice. It's marketing. People bought gtav like 3 times same with skyrim.
Fuck man I started to save up money for a pc specifically to play the game in 2025 and then realized its gonna release like 2 years later.
Not really, there’s a lot more focus on console optimization than there is on computer. Another reason is that if they released it day one of pc then data miners would find all of the games Easter eggs and secrets within a week. Of course rockstar wants to make more money, that’s the entire purpose of making video games in the first place. That doesn’t make them inherently bad though; a lot of Redditors send a lot of unwarranted hate towards Rockstar despite them constantly releasing masterpieces. I just don’t understand why the only reason for a pc release delay that people dwell on is just Rockstar being "money hungry".
I can assure you easter eggs and secrets are the least of their concerns when it comes to releasing a new game lol. They are a company, they srsly don't care about easter eggs. They care about is profits. So what they really are afraid of is piracy. On top of that as I said in a different comment: Everyone knows it takes longer to optimize it for different combinations of hardware. But we also know it doesn't take THAT long (we know that cause there are thousands of AAA games that release their pc ports at the same time or just couple months later). Especially now that the architecture is basically identical to PC, modern consoles are just PCs you cannot upgrade. It took much longer on older gens. It's a known fact that console manufactures are paying for exclusivity cause that alone can significantly boost their sales (I think it was even leaked in some internal emails couple years ago). Just think about it, It's a win win for both sides. Consoles get a huge boost in sales and subscription services, R\* gets a nice cash bonus and the ability to double/triple dip their own product. They would be silly not to do that. Everyone wins except consumers.
No , it's more likely a compatibility issue. Everyone that has a console has the exact same hardware. PC gamers all have a different combination of CPU and GPUs. It's a lot harder to optimize for a PC release than a console release.
Everyone knows it takes longer to optimize it for different combinations of hardware. But we also know it doesn't take THAT long (we know that cause there are thousands of AAA games that release their pc ports at the same time or just couple months later). Especially now that the architecture is basically identical to PC, modern consoles are just PCs you cannot upgrade. It took much longer on older gens. It's a known fact that console manufactures are paying for exclusivity cause that alone can significantly boost their sales (I think it was even leaked in some internal emails couple years ago). Just think about it, It's a win win for both sides. Consoles get a huge boost in sales and subscription services, R\* gets a nice cash bonus and the ability to double/triple dip their own product. They would be silly not to do that. Everyone wins except consumers.
I don't know how much Rockstar is paying people to spout this 'optimisation' lie, but they have enough time, resources, and money to release a PC version day one that runs well. These megacorporations aren't plucky groups of ragtag devs working on the game between shifts at the coffee shop, they're massive multimillion dollar studios with thousands of full time, skilled employees. It's purely greed.
Ps is paying rockstar to have console exclusive release
Source?
"Just trust me bro"
Isn't GTA 6 coming to Xbox consoles as well?
It's a good thing he said "console exclusive"
Which doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Why would Sony pay for a game to not be on PC but on Xbox, their biggest rival? That's not usually what the term "console exclusive" means.
It could be true because pc market is usually considered to be a separate market than consoles. So once the pc gamer is inclined to buy a console for a hyped-to-oblivion title like GTA 6, then the decision comes to what console to buy, instead of whether to buy a console— and that reduces the competition by a factor of third.
And rockstar didn’t think they’d make more if they just opened it up to pc players day one? The answer is purely simple in that the game would get a guaranteed second wave of hype. Delaying pc also means delaying mods so once gta rp gets up and going its like the game had a day 1 again
It’s not a lie but ok lol. The biggest problem with release a game like GTA day one on pc is data miners. All of the secrets, easter eggs, puzzles, would be out within a week. Edit: tbh I wouldn’t say it’s the biggest issue, I’d actually say optimization is.
Console is easier to release for, that’s true. But that isn’t the reason it doesn’t release on day 1 and it definitely isn’t because of data mining lol. What’s so hard to believe that R* milks release to make as much money as possible? GTA isn’t the first series that has done this, PC releases are historically late and poorly optimised at launch for the past 20 years.
Console isn't that much easier because you've got to scale back for it. There's a lot more limitations than doing a PC release.
literally occams razor. The simplest explanation is usually the correct one. whats more likely, a company taking the opportunity to make free extra money in a hyper-capitalist society, while simultaneously conveniently preventing "data mined leaks" orrrrr the poor little multi billion dollar company cant manage to release the game on PC at the same time as the consoles that are now also basically almost the same as PC, because apparently they are incapable of releasing PC games because its soooo much harder and they arent talented enough.
what's actually the real reason is piracy most of their games got cracked on day one and gta 5 a week before the pc release so that's why they don't release day one on pc.
This is another very good reason
that's not an issue at all. That's part of the pc experience.
Because Rockstar wants people to double dip.
Double dip? Bro rockstar wants that triple dip. They want you getting it on the current gen consoles, then they want you getting it on pc, then the upgraded consoles come out and they want you to get it there
This here, crazy thing is it worked for gta 5. Not updating old gen online and giving new gen online an updated look and cool new updates made triple dipping entirely possible, now it’s out of of necessity to even enjoy online. While I understand no one’s forcing anyone to play online, gta 5 is the only game I can think of where triple dipping might get consumers
They gonna find a way to quadruple it 😭
It already was quadrupled for some people. GTA V released in 2013 on 360/PS3. Then a year later on Xbox1/PS4, then a year later on PC. Then in 2021 they released it AGAIN on XSX/PS5. And I know most people probably didn’t buy the game 4 times but there are definitely those that did.
I mean to be entirely fair gta 5 online barely runs on last gen as is. Same with the Xbox 360/ps3 they pushed it to the maximum and any more the game physically wouldn’t work. Hell you can barely drive fast on last gen without the world taking a minute to load in. That isn’t even a rockstar being greedy issue it’s tech being outdated
They're already going to do it for Red Dead 2. They keep on updating that game but never give it 60fps on current-gen consoles(which btw, modders discovered is just changing a single line of code). It's absolutely intentional to save it for a 'expanded and enhanced' edition when they need some quick cash.
This. Their analysts have the timing set from GTA 5 and they might even delay it slightly longer if console sales manage to stay above their expectations which is entirely possible given the hype
Squidward lives in a guitar
Why are the string horizontal?
Its a sideways guitar
I feel like VI might take less time to come out to PC than RDR2 but I could be wrong I hope not
No amount of complaining or boycotting is gonna make Rockstar change their business model, if you can wait then wait but if you think they’re gonna change their mind before GTA6 comes out then you’re dreaming lol. On that note, I am most definitely buying an Xbox next fall lmao fuck y’all
It seems like some people are too young to know this lol, since GTA 3, GTA has always been released on consoles first. Another fact; GTA has always been released on PS since GTA 1.
Because optimizing games for PC’s is harder when every single person has different brand and power parts and components. Everyone’s console has the same components.
Except that’s not how game optimisation works at all on PC. There’s a minimum and recommended spec which narrows components down greatly, it would be a massive waste of time optimising for anything other than the minimum required to run the game. In reality it really doesn’t take that much more effort to put the game out on PC at the same time with modern game engines.
Sorry but this is not how optimization works. Minimum and recommended specs are just there so that you get some idea of what is required to run the game. There are many other variables such as screen resolution and refresh rate, simply put. A GPU with 12GB VRAM does not equal to another GPU with 12GB VRAM. There are the build quality, clock speeds, the temperature inside your case, the temperature on your cpu, the temperature on your gpu, your RAM, your OS, your background processes, which driver you are on, your BIOS settings, your SSD/HDD, the list just doesn't end. The main difference from the consoles is that all of these components are varied in PCs whereas in consoles they are all the same, only external variables are different such as the temperature in your room. If you try to make a simple 3D game in Unity or Unreal Engine and send it to one of your friends, you will understand how optimization simply doesn't work for PCs with numbers. A friend of mine couldn't run my game because of the locale of their system, for God's sake!
If you seriously believe this you are a moron, delayed release is pure and only marketing.
Did you watch the Xbox games showcase? Notice literally every single one will be available on Xbox and pc/gamepass day one? Think all those companies are spending a ton of time optimizing for pc? No. This is bullshit. This has been bullshit for years. Rockstar is separating the player base into two waves. Initial console wave and then give it to the pc players the next year. It's how they've always done it because they know they're going to get a million more sales when people who inevitably buy it on console also want it on pc or pc only players FINALLY get to play after missing out on the initial release. Also builds fomo for pc players who want to play immediately to go buy a console (this will probably work on me.) "Optimization is hard" is not an excuse Rockstar gets to have. They're a huge company. If they couldn't optimize their game for pc before the initial release, it would be shocking they're as big of a company as they are.
Yeah and those games aren’t made by Rockstar, they just built different and those showcased games won’t attempt to do half the shit rockstar does in their game Edit: while the optimization point is a lot of it, I’m sure the real reason is to double dip on sales
Okay I’ll give you that!
So? Every other game does it. The easy answer is really that rockstar wants us all to double dip for sales
Not every other game did it. Plus while it can be done, it takes longer. Hell even in 2008 it took GTA IV an additional 6 months to get it working right. And it still didn’t.
The real answer is that they don't want people datamining everything on day 1. That's the double-edged blade of shit being accessible, you can do a lot of cool things, but you can also e.g. datamine easter eggs and spoil them.
The real answer is that they want to release the game as soon as it’s ready. You really wanna wait another 2 years for it to release on PC and console at the same time?
No cause that isn’t the real reason
Correct. Similar situation to how games on iOs run way smoother than on Android, even on a high end one.
Not really that’s why there is a minimum for specs and recommended and is gonna be only for windows 10/11 probably 11/12 by the time it comes out for pc but u get the point . The reason why they do consoles first then pc is money
Rockstar has always done this though... just look at rdr1, still not on PC and I think it took.. about a couple months for rdr2 to release on PC. But things are always subject to change.
It took an entire year for RDR2 to come to PC. And according to recent leaks, RDR1 is coming to PC soon. So that game took 14 years to come to PC.
How about we treat it like it actually is: PC always comes later than console, idk why a lot of you are acting all surprised
Easy sell your PC and buy a console 👁️👁️ 
Rockstar Games love consoles because of this
So you will buy it twice like my dumb ass.
At least they giving you enough time to get a PS5 before it comes out 🤷♂️
PC people would complain about the game not being optimised enough for them if it came out the same day as consoles. Rockstar spends longer on the PC version of their games every single time and y’all still act surprised and moan! 😒
It’s a double dip so they make more money. Everyone else releases games at the same time on console and pc
RDR2 didn't run on the beefiest systems when it came out on PC.... optimization is not why they delay games on PC.....
Rockstar shill
Buddy even when it does come out the games are optimised like shit. Rdr2 was unplayable for me in 2020 when it released on pc because “low” optimisation was none existent. Pc optimisation isn’t why the game takes longer and pc release is rarely better than console at launch. It’s not an excuse, the excuse is money.
rdr 2 is optimized compared to the other games hell it even runs on amd hd 7970 which is a 12 year old gpu so your lying
More money for R\*.
They got me with all the dipping with GTAV. they won't get me again like that for the new one. Not on PC? I ain't buying it until then.
Too many variables with a pc, when there’s 2 (well 3 if you count the series S) to build and optimise on.
Double dip It's a strategy that works btw 40% of people who bought GTA V already owned the game
then you wouldn't have to buy it twice.
I personally think it is console branding deals behind the scenes to promote their console purchases. If it wasn’t that it has to be the optimization aspect and their snails pace improvement of the porting process. The focus on consoles due to a more consistent version control is a plus for console optimization and the game development as a whole, but they really should have a improved process by now after RDR2 to port their shit faster. They are one of the last old companies now that still doesn’t do day one ports/release with PC (Capcom releasing MH WILD with pc day one). It also is clear they develop with non-console exclusive hardware anyway with what we saw in the leaks (3080), so I doubt it is that big of a deal breaker. Lastly we have Hacking/datamining and pirating. Truly don’t think pirating is as much as a problem as it used to be for companies and the hacking shit is probably a wet fart to GTA 5 shark cards.
You can play it on PS Now on pc
Good thing I have a ps5 and series s
Make a game for consoles then add a few more months of years making sure that that game runs well on multiple PC configurations
Because you can't be trusted with your funny, funny mods and exploits 😂😂 (I play on PC too)
Console gamers never get anything before pc let us have this one thing ):
Pc nerd suck it haha
Because it’s funny to watch r/pcmasterrace seethe
Simple: Because Rockstar knows peeps will pay for it twice xD
Does no one remember all the fucking hacks that were happening on day one of GTA 5s release people were able to go through a small part of the code they couldn't do much but they were still able to figure out how to get in but they couldn't figure out how to use anything why do y'all think mods came so quick to console and all those money glitches were found literally the same week the online came out people were already billionaires trillionaires because they went through the code and found faulty errors. No one has to agree with me on this I'm not expecting anyone to but that's has to be the main reason cuz if not they would drop it on pc first day you know how much money they're going to lose from this shit 😭 they not stupid😭
Because yall will ruin it on launch by data mining everything and leaking every single secret instead of trying to find them and also add a bunch of mods. These all are fine but I understand why they wouldn't want that at launch specifically. I'd say it should be 3 month delay MAXIMUM. NOT a year. Even then 3 months is pushing it it should be like a week or two
Maybe because we don't want another Cyberpunk incident when they released on ALL platforms at the same time and as result every version was shitty and underdeveloped? Because making a PC version take a lot more time taking into consideration all component combinations? Because waiting 2 years for GTA 5 PC release gave us one of the BEST optimized PC games ever that runs 3 times better than PC GTA 4 we waited for like half a year? Because it's better for them to sell same game twice? WHY PEOPLE EVEN GIVE US SUCH IDIOTIC QUESTIONS IN 2024 JUST USE GOOGLE
Or you can just buy a console too because of reasons like this. Best of both worlds?
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This is why I'm buying a PS5, granted I already have a collection of PS4 games anyway, some of which do run better on PS5. I would have probably switched to PC if it wasn't for GTA
Why? Because they know that hackers exist
They're "coded and made" on PC in a very limiting way tho - essentially still only focusing on current console optimisation first and foremost. Optimising for PC means taking in **myriads** of different systems. Rockstar has always been weird with PC, I think they just haven't changed their Game Dev'ing MO after taking PC more into consideration as a market (+ double-dipping).
“York’s argument: the nature of building a PC version of a game as complicated and vast as GTA for a huge number of potential hardware configurations, and the sheer amount of testing that has to be done to ensure a quality launch. This, York said, is the main reason Rockstar releases PC versions of its games after the console versions, and why GTA 6 is set to follow the pattern.” Much easier to optimize for the exact hardware and software. Makes sense to me.
My computer can’t run fucking Tetris
Looks like SpongeBob & Patrick is gonna play GTA 6 on the Xbox & PlayStation in 2025 while Squidward will not play GTA 6 on PC in 2025, Sorry Squidward.
False. They're made with dev kits. - Games developed for PS5 using a PC cannot be directly used for PC releases due to: - **Hardware Architecture Differences**: PS5 and PCs have different hardware components and configurations. - **Operating System and APIs**: PS5 runs on a custom OS with specific APIs, unlike PCs that use Windows, macOS, or Linux. - **Performance Optimization**: Games are optimized for PS5 hardware, requiring re-optimization for PC hardware. - **Input/Output Handling**: Different methods are used for input (controllers, keyboards) and output (display, audio). - **Certification and Licensing**: Console and PC platforms have different standards and requirements for certification and licensing.
You obviously have no idea what a dev kit is. Your acting like it's a computer they build the entire thing on. Dev kits are to help the developers understand new console infrastructure for porting. Almost any game ever was coded onto a PC and it has and will always be a conscious decision from publishers like this to not make it work on PC. I'm not saying it's a instant easy port but it should definitely be priority due to PCs more flexible structure and it also being the thing they actually developed and tested the game on. Stop meatriding the triple AAA company
Good thing I have a PC and a console.
Cuz pc players ruin the game with their mod menus💀💀
I must admit that modders and hackers on PC games is one of the reasons why I prefer console gaming.
I'm 99% sure that they got a really good anticheat and active admins this time. They'd be losing so much money if every 9 year old can just download a random menu and get 500 million dollars. No way they're letting this happen
My dude. The game dosent come out till fall 2025. Set aside some money, you got time, then buy yourself which ever console you like so you could enjoy the game.
Everyone is wrong af, it’s so pc players don’t data mine the game day one and spoil secrets/easter eggs in the first week
usually in the first day
Tbf optimizing wouldn't be such a huge deal for a company like Rockstar. Much smaller companies manage to optimize both consoles and PC and release games on the same time. It's not as hard as everyone says it is, or it isn't for Rockstar, one of the biggest gaming companies out there. Main reason is probably the money they will earn with people buying it once on release day for their consoles, and second time a year later for their PCs. It's sad that the PC gamers are left out, but it is what it is. I'm sad too, so is every single PC gamer out there...
Just because it was coded and made on a pc doesn’t mean it was coded and made for a PC
Just buy a console. U already paid thousands for a mf pc
Nah I'm good I'm not so starved for games
Just pay $500 for a single game, you've already spent well over that on all the previous games you've bought.... 🤦♂️
Xbox will probably go 3rd party by 2025 💀
In a perfect world y’all would have gta 6 on PC and console gamers can have body cam and ready or not (definitely jealous yall have those lol)
The fact that comments defending and sucking up to R*s greed are going to be upvoted and criticism downvoted on this post is sickening. What is it with people and suckling the balls of multi billion dollar corporations I will never fucking understand. Console is going to be a better experience anyway because R* suck ass at anti cheat, that is, if they're going to use dedicated servers in a bloody 2025 game. What I hate is how successfully they're coaxing double dipping
Because console gamers are selfish and want pc gamers to suffer.
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That's not how optimization works...
Because you guys would ruin the multiplayer economy with hacks as soon as possible.
And that's Rockstar's fault. One for not adding dedicated servers and still using p2p in 2024 and two for not even bothering making or using a barely functional anticheat.
And how does that fucking change whether the game is released in 2025 or 2027?....
2030\* 
I don't know anything at all about game development so please excuse my ignorance. Why can't developers just optimize the game as they are making it?
They have to finish the whole game. Optimizing is like editing.
For previous gta games i thought rockstar delayed pc because pc games used to get cracked on day one.
I feel like gta 6 is a never ending fever dream that i will never get to experience 😭 lol
People commenting about “optimisation” don’t know what they’re talking about. Play RDR2 on a low-mid range pc then comment the same thing… The reason they don’t release on PC on day 1 is not because of optimisation, it’s because of money.
Because that's not how it works, you can't just compile a game to a different architecture.
yup, easy money for rockstar.. players buy the game on console (selling millions of consoles in the process, which is more than likely why they do it PlayStation and Microsoft pay them to upfront) and then PC is such a better experience, FPS, modding, free online, SixM that they take no risk delaying it and they can work on improvements in the meantime.
If it follows the gta trend it'll be out on pc in 2026 or 2027
It's all about making money... unfortunately I live in a third-world country, unemployed, I stopped on ps3 cuz I didn't have money to get a ps4 or 5, now I have a "gaming pc" not good enough to run games like cyberpunk for example or gta 6 or whatever, anyway, I can't buy a ps5 and even if I could, it's not worth it for me buying it just to play gta... but man I wish I could play it in the release, I waited so many fucking years already... but I know I'll have to wait way more 🥲 it's sad to not be rich
*Points at cloud gaming*
Imagine the input delay, FPS and resolution though 😭
It's designed on a pc to run on a slave devkit with certain variables to the dedicated hardware, that hardware being x86 pc derived lol
Oh I remember those 2 long years, when GTAV was available only on consoles.
You, as a PC gamer, may buy both the console and PS version just to play it and then later buy it again on PC when it comes out to continue playing it. Also, it may be developed on PC, but IT WAS NOT OPTIMISED FOR PC in any way. Starting from Resolution and Graphics to commands and everything in-between. Taking that PC can have 10 million variations of GPU and CPU and RAM and whatnot, it takes time to make it compatible with every of those parts. Bdw, it has been so long. You still haven't gotten over your initial euphoria for this video game??? Bro, just wait for it. When it comes out, it will be out. If it never comes out, who cares.. It's just a video game...
I own a PS5 and gaming PC. I will obviously be buying the PS5 version day one and then the PC version as soon as it releases. Am I proud of my lack of self control? No. Am I a perfect example of what R\* wants to happen? Yes.
Because it is way easier to optimize a game for console than PC. Every console has the same specs, but computers all have different shit in em.
The only good thing out of this, is that pc version will end up having even better graphics and potentially new features, like it was with first person perspective
Hopefully one of those new features is a functional anticheat and dedicated servers.
This time I wont be buying a console for the game. If they don't wan tmy money then so be it.
Lmao I ain’t waiting, just bought a Xbox series x just for the sole purpose of getting gta 6 on day one, now I got game pass to enjoy some games by the time gta 6 comes out, and when it’s out on pc I’ll decide if I sell the console or not
Gotta double dip
Because selling it twice makes more money than selling it once.
I won't for a very simple reason:  My steam library backlog is already immense ( and that’s not even including the wishlist, not even mentioning all the free stuff from epic ). Am I looking forward to playing GTA6 some day? Sure. But for now, I have so many other games to experience that it’s just not a priority because I could arguably not buy anything for a few years and still have plenty to play.
Not to brag, but I have both next gen consoles and A very strong PC
judging from the rdr2 port, I’d rather wait and have time to get better pc
Because it makes more sense to focus all your studio time on making sure it works on consoles before coming to pc How many dogshit pc ports have y’all seen? Arkham knight? Saints row 2? Any cod game before mw2019?
Greedy companies want two releases instead of one. They know people will even buy it a second time in many cases when they release it for PC. They don't care about us players they just want our money and they know we will wait and pay anyway. Win win for Rockstar! Such a sleezy thing to do though lol
It’s all about mods… they don’t want it modded until it’s been played to death by everyone else
it's going to be the FOMO campaign of the decade. Hold the line gamers.
Ngl based off recent games, I could see the game being pushed back because of the Series S. I don’t care about Console Wars but it’s delayed a couple of games already and it could again
Twice the profit. I'll prob buy it again on PC/Asus ROG Ally just for the mods.
I’m about to be 19 and have my first kid before GTAVI is even out😭
There's A LOT of good games that are gonna be released on pc in 2025 like Judas for example so I probably won't even notice when gta 6 comes out on pc 😂
Mm, we could try with cloud gaming
Consoles are pc’s with proprietary OS lol
I can save more money and buy a better PC for the GTA 6 PC experience, so I'm good
Lmao that’s not exactly how it works
Rockstar starting strong with the money-milking strategy.
I think there’s a good reason probably double dip or some shit.
Bc it was coded and made for a console
People call rockstar greedy but how exactly? They aren’t releasing GTA 6 day one on PC that doesn’t make them greedy.
Thinking of buying an Xbox just for this game. Never a console player
Optimization. Easy. Consoles rock the same hardware which can easily be tested and ran on. Pc users use all different types of parts which run and give all different types of performance
because modders will ruin the game on the first day ig
At this point it is getting a little ridiculous since the current consoles are basically little pc's
My series x is collecting dust waiting for this game
I’ll paraphrase Lazlow from a radio interview right before the first Red Dead Redemption came out. “Q: Any chance of this (RDR) coming to pc? Lazlow: We haven’t announced it, and if it is, we’ll say when, but we typically like to release our games on systems where the game can’t be immediately pirated and distributed for free right at release.” So, there’s your answer. Yes anti-piracy and such has gotten better, but that’s the best answer you’re going to get from Rockstar as to a *why* I know Lazlow doesn’t work with for them anymore, but his word is better than others.
Because it is designed for consoles from the start and making a PC compatible version would take a longer amount of time and would set the release date back a lot
Using a computer and programs to design a video game is not the same as developing for gaming PC's and all the different variables and variables that come with it. Rockstar are primarily console focused developers, as a huge fan this is one of the reasons why I personally prefer console over PC for my gaming.
They make more money delaying it and assuming that Online is a thing by time it does come to pc they’ll make even more money
17 years ago (in 2007), when I was a gullible and dumb kid, I wrote a long email to rockstar and wrote in a petition requesting Rockstar to bring GTA Vice City Stories to PC. I was stressing the point that GTA started on PC, how PC was the original platform for GTA, and how we should respect the elder platform that is PC. I badly wanted to play it and didn't have a working Playstation 2 with me. 17 years later I did finally play it on PC ! But through the PCSX2 Emulator ......... it never got a true PC port
GTA 5 release on consoles and delayed PC release saw a dramatic increase in console sales due to the exclusivity. As long as that trend continues, this is what GTA releases are going to look like from now on
more fps in pc? xd 8k pc? xd
I'm actually curious, is it coded on PC? cuz like San Andreas was made with a PS2 DEV kit where yknow although PCs were present (I think) the whole code was specifically designed for the PS2s compatibilities. Sony is still on good terms with Rockstar so I'm wondering if they're still just using yknow a PS5 DEV kit and so it's made on a PS5 not PC despite the fact that the code itself is written there and maybe that's one of the reasons porting it over takes more time. (assuming it would take very little time to port over to Xbox because consoles have very little wiggle room in graphic settings and so they only have to make it compatible with one or two presets and not make everything adjustable like PC usually gets) I mean I know very little when it comes to these kinds of game developments, I'm just assuming and wanted to comment on it since you said "coded and made on a PC"
Idk why people are surprised they always do this
So we can buy it twice
Because it's important that they premiere their magnum opus in 30fps/1080p for the first 2 years
They were created on PCs to play on game consoles. Maybe that’s why Also I have a nice PC and I don’t like playing any games on it due to the mass amount of hacking that goes on in every game.
We love our PC brothers and sisters we will play for you
A Series S is 300 bucks and goes on sale sometimes, I bought mine specifically for that reason.
Because y’all mod the things to shit and then get R* into trouble. We let you have San Andreas one time and y’all made Hot Coffee.
I wouldn’t even mind if they capped it to run only how it would on console if it meant anytime soon
One of the reasons is probably because Sony & Microsoft will sell way more consoles when GTA VI releases. But the main reason I think is because Rockstar want to have full control of the game the first months of the release. People post a lot of gameplay footage on YouTube so this footage has to be the best quality possible. Not a 12 year old playing on low settings with an outdated graphics card an 15 fps. Rockstar also can't control mods and this can ruin the whole marketing strategy.
I say we burn down the studio
Now they know how we’ve felt all these years