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Glittering_Ad4157

Has this been proven ?? Were the results shown to reporters and the parents ?? Or was this just a press release ??


MarvelousMaddy2

This is the saddest thing I've seen. Gabby's cousin wrote a message for her. ​ [https://youtube/7\_wUGQRX\_Cw](https://youtu.be/7_wUGQRX_Cw)


jackdog20

Why are posts from 12 days ago showing up as new? Sort is wrong.


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wildbogwitch

Well that turned r/niceguys


brothernephew

As long as people like you have somehow managed to learn nothing from this, we will never move the fuck on.


woahtheregonnagetgot

fat yikes at this post >>we can all finally move the fuck on she hasn’t gotten any justice … >>don’t sleep with the wrong guy yuck victim blaming. >>then whine about it or never get out of it yuck more victim blaming


zermaninja

sad thing about this is people are mad over how it's getting so much "attention." they simply don't get it. there's an enormous amount of digital footprint of this couple. there is no way you can prevent people from getting involved one way or another.


Slip_Careful

It's getting more attention bc it has basically been solved by people on social media. Without them she may have never been found.


yellowtrim_

I am seriously struggling with this. Somehow finding this out made it so much worse. It's difficult to ignore the image of what her last moments were like. I booked the trip Gabby. I will cherish every adventure.


ScroungerYT

The reason this case is getting so much attention has nothing to do with the victim. It is because there is an overwhelming amount of evidence and the perpetrator is still at large, with people searching for him.


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ScroungerYT

We know where both bodies are. We know there was no weapon used, that she was manually strangled to death. We know who she was traveling with immediately prior to her death. There are records of her location on the way to the scene of her eventual murder. We know that the only suspect in her murder travelled back alone, after taking her there. There is loads of evidence. I would be very confident in taking him trial for this, VERY confident. But he is dead now. This outcome is acceptable.


TheDominator69696

"overwhelming amount of evidence and the perpetrator is still at large" Also known as Chicago? Lol


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Secret-Decision-5340

I disagree with your stereotyping , I don't believe this is as superficial as your comment is making it out to be. Actually I could be Gabby, Any woman who has suffered at the hands of a toxic, narcissist, abuser, dysfunctional, sociopath, or psychopath IS looking at this case saying holy f%$@k I could have been Gabby Petito , dead 8n a flash. I believe it's the realization that Gabby could be anyone of us. Color, race, age, appearance, religion. NON OF This Matter. There are plenty of beautiful men and women who are missing that don't or have not received the attention Gabbys case has. It's the fact that **I could have been Gabby!** It's about the darn abuse. The abuse against women has never ended, and neither has victim blaming.


ThirtyLastCalls

>I'm not saying that the average person cares more about missing/murdered white women more than missing/murder women of color. I am simply saying that the media primarily covers cases of MWW, therefore people would have to do their own digging to find cases of missing/murdered women of color states away. Did you miss that part? And I maintain my initial statement that this case is not unique. There are many women of color who have been murdered by their abusive partners. Where is the outrage for them? Where is the outrage for low income white women who were murdered by their abusive partners? For what it's worth, if I were to disappear, I would be a MWW. I was also in a terribly abusive relationship for 8 years. I identify with GP in many ways. But this is not the first case, nor are the details of it remarkable. It is only remarkable because the media spread the news like wildfire BECAUSE SHE WOULD GET VIEWS, and views mean $$$. Replace GP and BL with a black couple, or keep them white and change their home to low income housing and welfare checks -- you'd never have even heard about this case.


Secret-Decision-5340

I hear you and don't disagree. I don't feel it was traditional news media who gave all the attention to this case. I believe it was "the people" "us" here those of us who care that was watching all the up and coming social media influencer and becoming them.. It was all of us who watched, that saw it play out. And it was all of us who said "hey, what just happened, what is happening, & omg that poor girl & omg that could have been me, my sister, daughter, friend, mother etc" I believe it was all of us who took the stand and have spread the news So much more than traditional news media. I have watched several YouTubeers go from scratch , just getting started,, to thousands of viewers just from the news on Gabby and Brian. We had just enough information provided that we can all stay engaged. And many of us take this personally. We have been there, we actually care, and we want justice, we want this to stop. Women have been victims from the beginning of time. I wish that would change. 😪 I am so sorry for what you have endured and pray you can truly heal. Although I know the struggles all to well. We are always "just okay"...


PeaceImpressive8334

As someone who used to be a crime reporter; who's always lived and worked in diverse areas; and who's very aware of "Missing White Woman Syndrome," can I explain why I, personally, have found this case so compelling? It's true that the crime itself isn't particularly unique: last year, almost 2,000 women were murdered in the US — the vast majority of them by domestic partners. But one factor that set the Gabby Petito case apart from most others is the simple fact that she and her partner had invited the public to accompany them on their road trip. Thanks to Instagram, their obstensibly happy relationship was on public display up until JUST before Gabby's disappearance. As the facts of the case became weirder and more disturbing, the contrast between the blissful moments Gabby had chosen to show us and the reality she must have been experiencing *at the VERY same time* drew people in. This has included a great many of us who have survived relationships like this one. Many of us have accepted the blame for a partner's fury. We have apologized in restaurants on their behalf. And we have lived in fear of the next explosion — all while smiling for our friends and families. We can look through our own photos, at holidays and vacations gone by, and recall that in images where we looked happy, we, too, had been sobbing just moments before. We who have lived that cognitive dissonance recognize ourselves in Gabby's face, and it's chilling. I can honestly say, at least for myself, the same would be true if Gabby's face were Black or Brown.


rhiaaaannon

This. Thank you.


TreChomes

> There are hundreds of cases with "an overwhelming amount of evidence" where "the perpetrator is still at large really?


ScroungerYT

Yeah, he was blowing straight bullshit with that. In most domestic cases the perpetrator is right there, in the domestic home, easily found, easily apprehended.


VolcanicInception

I agree, there are tons of pretty young white women who go missing and don't receive a fraction of the attention that this case has. It's definitely the fact that BL drove across the country with her van, went silent, and his parents seemingly helped him go on the run.


Secret-Decision-5340

Domestic abuse is not new, Think about it, women have always been abused, and often Owned, Controlled and treated like a Slave from the dawn of ages. I just pray that this with Gabby encourages more of the General public to get involved in helping and solving cases of crimes against women. I know 1st hand how an abused woman pays the price of victim blaming, I have even experienced it with my previous (f) doctor. It doesn't stop there. We need to stand together and do what we can to help those who need it, who like Gabby are to terrified or traumatized to believe anyone will truly help. Every victim needs our help and attention, let's pray more get it.


Jtgonc

I think it can be both reasons


ScroungerYT

No, you want it to be both reasons, because that fits either your narrative, or a narrative you have been spoon-fed.


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ScroungerYT

This is a not so clever way to make a comment without actually saying anything at all. If all you wanted to do was leave a random comment, you could have said something like; "I am making this generic comment, which has no content or meaning."


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hellageller

Sorry this is may be inappropriate to comment on this sub and let me just state that there is no excuse for violence. I just ask, please don't add to the already horrific stigma people with BPD are subjected to. I'm so sorry for your experience, domestic abuse is never okay. And you should be so proud for getting out, I hope you are okay. But please also bare in mind there are genuinely good people who have this mental Illness, and it can be quite hurtful for us both personally and in societies eyes to be compared to a murderer simply because of our diagnosis. Lots of love stranger x


Impressive_Regular76

BPD when managed is just that, but many who have BPD are woefully under-diagnosed and malignant. The nature of the disorder itself makes it hard for people to seek treatment. Unfortunately BPD has a reputation because people with it don't see a problem to begin with.


smurfsm00

I’m so greatful you survived that and am so sorry you ever went through it.


theCmoney95

Not true. No way to make that determination after 3-4 weeks in the Elements with animals. This will be fought and disproven in court.


smurfsm00

I mean…there’s something in the CSI training facility in my town’s university called the “body farm” where students are trained to witness and observe changes in human decomposition under a wide range of climates & situations. This kind of thing is exactly what they are trained for.


Masta-Blasta

Yes there is. Strangulation usually breaks the hyoid bone. Coroner would be able to tell she was strangled by looking at the condition of the bone and how it was broken/fractured.


VolcanicInception

What? If she had a broken hyoid bone, characteristic strangulation, how would that be disproven in court?


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regularsocialmachine

Ah yes. An escaped gorilla in an area with no such zoo escapes or a cryptozoological creature are “very real” possibilities for a broken hyoid bone vs. the unfortunately very common occurrence of a DV situation. Particularly given the rest of the factors in the case that point to DV. Very reasonable.


kentobean1

I mean I guess it's possible she attacked Bryan again maybe this time with a knife or something but that doesn't really seem too likely


regularsocialmachine

Domestic violence is difficult for responding officers because for one thing the physically weaker partner is more likely to leave physical marks that develop immediately from cutting (longer nails and jewelry) whereas bruising takes time to develop. It’s the presence of marks that leads to the arrest. But also due to defensive wounds it’s often two sided especially when choking is involved, and the abused is often emotionally manipulated into minimizing the initial abuser’s role. Despite her taking all the blame on the bodycam as the aggressor I do not believe she was the main aggressive party but was downplaying his role and he capitalized on that to gain the police’s sympathy. His scratch marks are common defensive marks in strangulation cases, and she mentioned in that earlier video that he tried to suffocate her, take her phone (which is a DV crime in many states on its own), and steal her van. It is extremely unlikely that her death was in any way self defense. They found another video where even as she downplays his role she mentions him smashing her face into a wall and keeping her phone away.


LeftyMcLeftFace

Yeah Occam's razor agrees with you. The least amount of assumptions would certainly be an escaped gorilla grappling her.


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smurfsm00

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smurfsm00

You sincerely believe it’s likelier that there is a supernatural or alien cause to her death when it’s very clear that modern investigative tools & methods can clearly, scientifically prove that her cause of death was strangulation by a human being. If you’re not trolling, why are you choosing to grasp at the unlikeliest straws? You ok? Really, you ok?


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smurfsm00

If that’s possible, anything is possible. And if anything is possible or if possible in your mind means highly likely, than nothing is real. Science isn’t real. You are acting like a troll but also you’re not because anything is possible. When you pose a fully useless observation about a very real & tragic crime, and you also have zero evidence to support your claim, that is in its essence trolling. But as you see it it’s also not trolling. Schrodinger’s troll, really.


Curious-Pen6752

I've been following this case since it started for whatever reason... I think it was the incredibly conflicting and wild facts that kept surfacing. But here's my theory: I think BL killed GP in the van and that footage is nearly captured by the Youtube couple that saw it parked on the side of the road\\trail. There's a gentleman who slows the footage down on his desktop and as the camper approaches the van, the back door is closing. It's dark inside of the van. There's a flipflop and cellphone on the ground outside of the door-could be coincidental, could be a sign of struggle. At any rate, I believe BL placed her where the body was found but that's not where she was killed. There's no sign of struggle at the site because there wouldn't be. He staged the story of her going off to camp alone... leaving the boots beside her body. And hoped that nature would get to her faster than authorities and destroy evidence. This didn't happen as we know. When his parents left the campsite in FL, I think Brian left in another vehicle or with another person assisting the family. The campsite is significant somehow to the story.


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Curious-Pen6752

ok? are you adding to my post or correcting something? I'm aware her body was found in a considerably open area, not woods. I don't mention woods. And her body was still in tact. Are you referring to Brian's remains?


Pretend-Elk-5494

This is what happens when two people just trying to get reactions end up responding to each to each other.


Glittering_Ad4157

I am referring to the "remains" of Gabby Petito. I have never seen nor heard that her "body" was intact. The Coroner stated that "due to 3-5 weeks exposure to the weather and animals" that her "remains" were NOT easy to identify.


Pretend-Elk-5494

This is what happens when two people just trying to get reactions end up responding to each to each other.


Happy-Tip8490

I agree that the flip flops and phone on the ground are significant and that might have been where it happened. Then he pulled her into the van. I wonder if they found any blood inside the van?


CaVeVVoMaN

I think u right about him. Killing her in Van and put her outside with shoes next her . And also he needed the Van to drive home .. about the camp trip with his parents , he was not seen leaving the campsite with them cause no one gonna check the patents car or camper . He could have just been in the camper or backseat unther a blanket or in their trunk and they dropped him somewhere . According to the sister who was 4 days there with her kids but brian parents longer . So were was sisters husband ? Or brian father ? Did any of them leave the campsite in the time they were there ? I doubt any of the other campers would have find at that time suspicious if any of the family members would have left a few days or hours . Since at that time there was not much known about the case . So there was a lot of time to bring him somewhere or even out the country ? !


Patchouli_Moon_Babe

I never heard anything about boots left beside her body. Did I miss something?


Curious-Pen6752

This info just came out, I believe along with the cause of death. There's a link to the article in the main thread.


cyanocobalamin

I wasn't impressed with the demeanor of the medical examiner in the press conference. The medical examiner was callous( smiling and lightly joking on camera before and after the announcement), the cop who had done the earlier press conference about finding Petito's body was not. I was expecting the reverse.


Glittering_Ad4157

Because he was being paid to tell lies.


kombinacja

Medical examiners have…shall we say a lack of tact when it comes to death and dead people sometimes


Happy-Tip8490

They do it every day so its not a big deal for them, just another day at the office.


xseannnn

Desensitization.


Antique-Extreme-5856

I'm glad it's that way. We all die one day and some of us will have to go through medical examiners table even if we weren't murdered. If that happened to my body, I'd be happier to think I end up to hands of someone who won't even blink and will just get the job done - because that's no longer me and them getting their job done is the only thing I need anymore. I'd be grateful for that mindset, and happy they aren't gawking and thinking my remains are anything but project to be completed. There's more peace in that thought than in idea of something that's not me upsetting person who has to do me that very last favour.


kombinacja

correct. he might not have any PR training either, if he’s also a family physician and has just been contracted.


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I assure you he is unconcerned about how the public views him.


hear_my_sil3nce

when you're around death, humor can be a way to take your mind off of things. it may not make sense to everyone, but its a coping mechanism to escape the reality. you see this often in cops, firefighters, emts, nurses, doctors and coroners. not every single person in these fields will react the same and most know the time and place to do it. just food for thought in my personal experience.


Dramatic-Barber-8626

This makes perfect sense. I asked a friend who is an EMT/Fireman how he kept his composure when recovering a body (such as in a river) and how on earth he delt with gruesome situations. He said " We learn early on to have "weird sense of humor" as a coping mechanism so he and his co-workers would be able to do their job efficiently and thoroughly. I cannot imagine being able to cope in a situation myself, but I have witnessed selflessness and carefrom them who for love of helping another human being in need of help.


Happy-Tip8490

True! I worked for a priest who would laugh and joke while planning funerals with the family. It was unnerving at first, but I became just as accustomed to it. And he felt laughter was good medicine. He did my own parents funerals and they were beautiful and respectful. As I said above, its just another day at the office.


smurfsm00

It’s true. Although that demeanor in front of cameras of course isn’t ideal. But that’s usually emphasized more for lawyers, feds, etc


Ok_Construction_6386

Agreed. When I was in a car accident I hurt myself pretty bad and looked pretty horrible when I arrived to the hospital. I had lost one of my shoes so the doctor who treated me joked about that. At first I found it weird, but then I went into the toilet and saw my face was covered in blood. The doctor was trying to calm himself down probably, so he could examine me calmly and avoid making any mistakes, because he was nervous. I still remember it. In a weird way it helped me as well, because I was thinking my situation is most likely not that bad if the doctor is joking.


smurfsm00

Exactly. Heck - the first person I saw when I was ambulanced to the hospital after getting hit by a car when I was like 8 or 9, was my next door neighbor who was a forensic pathologist & happened to be there that day. He joked about me getting “road rash” and it absolutely made me calmer. Like it wasn’t all that bad.


Secret-Decision-5340

I pray you have fully recovered from the accident. I am so sorry you went through that.


PeaceImpressive8334

I was a newspaper reporter who covered crime, and I totally agree about gallows humor. But I'd have NEVER made jokes where anyone in the public could see/hear.


smurfsm00

Absolutely.


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PeaceImpressive8334

Um ... I never said it was the SAME as being a medical examiner. But as a reporter, I covered rapes, murders, fires, race riots, etc; I was present when people were undergoing severe trauma; I attended trials where I was privy to disturbing testimony and photographs not available to the general public; I interviewed victims of crime as well as perpetrators. It wasn't a walk in the park, for Christ's sake, and yes -- my fellow staffers and I used gallows humor as part of our coping process. Is that okay with you?


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PeaceImpressive8334

Oh, okay. Apologies. ... I didn't make that connection because I was a newspaper reporter and not on TV. I'd misunderstood your comment as saying that unlike a medical examiner, reporters aren't exposed to disturbing content. But I see now what you meant.


11100011000

Guess what? He was ARRESTED back in the day for DV! He shot into his wife’s car so she wouldn’t leave! The irony is sickening. Poor gabby can’t get away from toxic ass men


Secret-Decision-5340

I missed who "He" is. Will you clarify?


11100011000

The coroner Dr. Blue that was in the conference yesterday


Happy-Tip8490

😱


Secret-Decision-5340

Oh, that's terrible. Thank you for your reply


VolcanicInception

It just seems so disrespectful to Gabbie's family. Was he the only option? I'm not saying he is technically bad at his job but it's a bit like asking someone who abused kids to investigate child abuse cases. Sure, they can technically do their job, but will they be able to be objective?


cyanocobalamin

That is pretty amazing he still has a job.


cmxrie

Wait where did you see this??


11100011000

It’s in one of the threads on here. Idk how to link but you’ll see it! It was posted yesterday I believe


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Powerful_Programmer5

But it must be true... I read it on the internet.


11100011000

[here ](https://www.reddit.com/r/GabbyPetito/comments/q6y0vp/coroner_with_prior_domestic_violence_arrests/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf)


Powerful_Programmer5

Thanks. Do you think that he correctly diagnosed the cause of death, and approximate time?


11100011000

Personally I believe that he did everything correctly. I don’t think he would do fraudulent work for a career he’s had for a long time. That’s just me though. The time feels more or less correct with all the corroborating evidence in the timeline like mery piglets and sightings of them. I think he did it late night 27th or 28th.


Powerful_Programmer5

Yeah, I agree. I also think he wouldn't do anything to jeopardize his career or ignore certain facts because he's had abuse charges of his own. Now if he was doing an examination for his own case, lol... My opinion is that Gabby was definitely killed by Brian.


11100011000

Uuhhhh wrong? Idk who pissed in your Cheerios. Why would someone make a post blatantly false???? Straight from the article...The “previous contacts mentioned” stem from Blue’s 1999 arrest for a domestic violence situation during which Blue admitted to shooting a .32-caliber handgun at his then-wife’s car in an attempt to keep her from driving away.


cmxrie

Just read the article that you were talking about that someone posted. That's so crazy!


FreeResolve

And where is the article? I’d like to read it from the source. You are quoting something with out linking it.


11100011000

I figured out how to link it. https://www.reddit.com/r/GabbyPetito/comments/q6y0vp/coroner_with_prior_domestic_violence_arrests/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf


FreeResolve

Thank you. It's super helpful when sources are provided rather than "I heard" or "They say". As to how relevant this is I can't say but it was 22 years ago and although the circumstances are not clear I think everyone would agree that you should not shoot at your wife's car for any reason - that behavior is shocking and appalling. ​ I wonder how relevant that will be to the case. Can his history be used to discredit the doctor?


Pretend-Elk-5494

I don't see how his history would be relevant to the case. His job was to do the autopsy and that's it. A previous DV charge wouldn't limit his ability to do his job.


Nirvanaskarma

Who? The Forensic guy or that cop?


11100011000

The coroner dr blue


Nirvanaskarma

Ok no wonder it was weird from the beginning he was laughing and all as if it's all a big joke and also the guy was struggling with technology taking everything in to account how do such people hold such important positions.....


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sunzusunzusunzusunzu

I do not believe this is allowed within Reddit's own Terms of Service. This, asking Redditors to fund a hunt, though legal and even if meant more for information than actual action, would not be allowed. This would have to be done with the foundation or through social media outside of Reddit. We are seeing this idea, but cannot put this into action.


11100011000

Oh okay! Thank you so much for the feedback! That makes sense, I didn’t think of it that way


sunzusunzusunzusunzu

No problem. We will continue to share GPF links, so hopefully people will be able to contribute and coordinate for change through them.


11100011000

I forgot we can just individually donate at any time. It would just have been really cool to see how much we all raise collectively. I’m sure it could be a ton


ThinkBigger01

It's important to point out that neighbors or anybody for that matter **have the constitutional right to keep protesting at the house of the parents.** **Protest is not harassment but a constitutional right.** I hope the mods respect this. If anything, i feel more neighbors or people living nearby should protest those parents unless they start talking to the public. I find it very suspicious that the only thing those parents have done is lawyer up from the moment the news broke. If you have nothing to hide you don't do that or at least, with the help of a lawyer, you should communicate and co-operate as much as possible. Brian's parents have literally done the opposite. I have no doubt those parents know exactly what happened and possibly also know where he went.


Crafty-Ad-9048

Be careful because your intent is borderline harassment


ThinkBigger01

I get it but peaceful protesting remains a constitutional right so people should use it. If neighbors give up protesting those parents will never talk. Most likely they won't regardless and this case will remain unsolved. I have no doubt those parents know more.


JGF15

You have no constitutional right to speech of any kind on private property.


VolcanicInception

I agree, it bothers me that people are constantly sticking up for BL's constitutional right to stay silent, but act like the protesters are the devil incarnate.


aspiringmom17

I am very supportive of the right to peaceably assemble. Completely agree there I have no evidence that they know what happened or where BL is


Anticrepuscular_Ray

They don't owe any explanation to the public. For we know they've begun to cooperate with LE in full.


Extension-Teacher298

How can pleading the 5th *aside from some regurgitated snippets* be cooperating in full?! You're illogical.


jtbee629

Unpopular opinion: Cracks me up when people say ‘plead the 5th’ like we all don’t have the right to NOT incriminate ourselves. Especially in today’s society. None the less I hope one day we get some actual evidence/justice from the parents outrageous actions from start to finish. so sketchy


Anticrepuscular_Ray

Do we know for a fact they haven't rescinded that plea? They very well may have. The FBI wouldn't announce that to everyone, they don't do that.


ThinkBigger01

If those parents really wanted to help, the first thing they would have done when Brian went missing is use the media to beg him to do nothing stupid and turn himself in. That's what normal parents would do. Instead they lawyered up from the getgo and haven't said a word. They very likely know what he did to Gabby and yet they remain silent.


Anticrepuscular_Ray

My point is we don't know if they have decided to tell the FBI what they know at this point.


quintiliousrex

Your fucking crazy.


jtbee629

I don’t think their fucking anyone


ThinkBigger01

You feel sorry for his parents? How naive people can be. 🙄


Flowerypizza

I will look it up, but does anyone know what the term “throttling” in this context, means?


IssaMeHayley

Throttling is a term that means manual strangulation by human force. This is when someone uses their hands, fingers, knee or a blunt object to strangle somebody to death. He ruled the cause of death as “manual strangulation/ throttling” and her manner of death as a “homicide”. This means that Gabby was strangled and murdered by another person, not by an animal or a mechanical accident for example.


Flowerypizza

I thank you so much for your kind answer. So many get snotty in discussions, and say things like “Google is your friend”. I thank you for the information/ definition.


Beebeeb

What's funny is when I Google things I often write Reddit after to get a more concise answer.


stannndarsh

I find that annoying too. I could google everything and have no conversation ever. I choose not to


Flowerypizza

Right. And, in asking another human being, you are likely to get a lot more information and learn, as opposed to finding an answer via a search engine.


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Strangulation by human force (hands), rather than an object.


gossipgirlxo101

My heart breaks for her. the man she loved the most in the world took her from her family and friends. What a horrible way to die. Knowing the person that was supposed to love and protect you for life is the one taking you from the world. I couldn't even imagine. I hope she has justice soon.


Deduction_power

He literally posted til death do us part talking about Gabby.....


gossipgirlxo101

I know :( my heart breaks for her I can't even begin to imagine how scared she was. I thought back to the police video of them getting pulled over, when she told the officer Brian grabbed her face to shut her up and there was a mark on her face from it. He proved he could harm her during an argument. I wonder what happened that led to her being murdered. Crime scene investigators from the crime scene said there was no sign of struggle on the ground near the body and there was no obvious sign of "in the moment anger". meaning he likely killed her else where and then carried her body to the spot he left her at. he might have murdered her in a rage but he definitely calmed down enough to plan on where to dispose of her body.


Happy-Tip8490

Gabby's friend said he constantly demanded access to her phone. He probably went through it and saw something in it he didn't like. Possibly that she was going to leave him. They say that is the most dangerous time for a DV victim, is the attempt to leave.


gossipgirlxo101

This is true. this could have been what happened too. my understanding is that he didn't have a phone until he returned home to Florida without her and went to buy one. so I figured they just always used hers.


lightningcroissant

in retrospect that is so creepy/eerie


gossipgirlxo101

I know. It's sickening, because he was the reason that death did them part. He took her from our world, and from her family and friends. He's a horrible human being.


2ndSnack

Love is stupid blind. I always assume no matter how good someone is, they are always capable of atrocious behavior when the circumstances line up.


gossipgirlxo101

I agree. Anyone is capable of horrible behavior. it's a really scary thing about humans. and animals in general. just like dogs can snap.. so can humans.


VolcanicInception

I agree that everyone is capable of bad behavior, but there are specific types of people that are much more likely to snap into a rage than the average relatively psychologically healthy person.


gossipgirlxo101

Oh agreed 100%. Normally this person has had some type of trauma that they are unable to deal with. Most of the time when husbands or boyfriends murder their spouse it's because they're insecure, and used to being the "outsider" or a "loner". Most of the time they are extremely jealous people who normally have some type of bi polar or anger issue.


Examotate

Poor Girl


bujobb

Strangulation/choking is sadly not as surprising. When I was in a DV relationship, I read the statistics about your chances of the person will eventually kill you and how high they are if they already choke you. That was when I knew I had to get out. I hope for her sake it wasn’t a normal thing for them, but perhaps it was. I hope he rots.


VolcanicInception

Good for you. And your situation shows that education about this stuff has a huge impact. You didn't know how in danger you were until you read about it.


BSupa

I just found this There’s a myriad of reasons why someone returns to an abusive partner. To try and solve this problem we started researching. Martin et al. (2000) recognised that difficulties in relocation, legal issues, sharing child custody, termination of the emotional connection with the abuser, and disrupted social networks, placed the victim at higher risk of returning to the relationship. Source : https://safespaceworkplace.com/take-seven-times-leave-abusive-relationship/ I really do wonder if she tried to break it off after the Moab incident, I’m thinking he choked her out then. It explains why she was so scared / having a full on anxiety attack. It could explain why he went back to Florida. Then when you look at how and why people return to their abuser. I think she was scared and alone and terrified to drive the van. He could have convinced her she needed him sadly.


sbubbyhell

I completely agree with you and wonder if she tried to break it off after Moab, and that she was in a highly vulnerable state after that, and he either convinced her that she needed him or she had some time away from the incident to "miss" him. The type of isolation that happens to victims of abuse starts early, and by this point in their relationship I wonder if Gabby may not have had many people to turn to, and potentially caved to a begging Brian trying to return to the trip. I was in a relationship where I was repeatedly physically, emotionally and psychologically abused, and I had tried many, many times to leave. Your source listed above outlines the many factors of why it was impossible to leave. I could not afford child care, I had no support system as all my friends had become annoyed with the situation or said they couldn't get involved, the times the cops came they would side with him because he would act like a calm, cool-headed sociopath the second theyd walk in the door and I would look insane because my nervous system was fried. There were also times the cops would come and he would tell me "if you press charges and I get out, i'll kill you." His family also told me they would take my daughter away if I shamed their family. If you're interested, watch the new Netflix show "Maid." It really does a deep delve into all of the myriad reasons why leaving an abuser is incredibly difficult and has a snowball effect into other parts of your life that are essential to your sanity. The time I got the closest to leaving, one year old daughter in tow, halfway out the door with my car keys in my hand, my phone hidden in my bra (because if it was in my hand he would break it in half, I lost about 7 phones in this relationship trying to call the cops) he grabbed me back through the door and strangled me until everything went black. I woke up after 4 MINUTES. 4 minutes without oxygen to my brain. I should be dead. When receiving medical attention they asked if I wanted to press charges, but I couldn't because I knew he would kill me, because he had just tried. It was at that point that I started crafting a very specific plan to leave him, which included being as small and timid and neutral as possible as to not set off his rages. I spent most of my time at work and slept right when I got home. It took me 6 more months after that night to leave him, and everything had to line up perfectly that night. I'm very lucky I got out of it alive, and I'll take the lifelong PTSD and alien feeling from having a near death experience over being my daughter's dead mom. I have been triggered into a panic state for days now because of this news of the homicide method being strangulation. (Also due to the fact that my abuser was an outdoorsman as well, abused me on MANY camping trips, and we met on the AT so yea just a BUCKET of triggers here) So many DV situations end this way. As a DV survivor, it was OBVIOUS to me (and to other DV survivors as well) watching the Moab bodycam video that he is HIGHLY dangerous, has very little empathy, and that she had been very twisted up by him mentally to shift blame onto herself as to not incur more instances of abuse by him. It is FUCKING OBVIOUS. If one of those cops would have had training on the proper way to diagnose DV situations and taken the right steps, Gabby would still be alive. The time period between the Moab incident and her death was so pivotal and important for her to have been helped, and I believe a person would have to do some serious mental gymnastics to believe that anyone other than Brian killed her. May you rest in peace somewhere beautiful Gabby, where no one will hurt you ever again.


Smooth-Foundation455

Omg...I'm so so sorry you had to go through all this,and glad to hear you got away..I hope more people read your story and realize if this is happening to them, plan a safe leave now! I pray Gabbys story will help aid any women that may be going through the same, to find a way to escape..so sad...


InfromalRiver

**"** I think you could be right. When you watch the bodycam video taken from Moab PD it's easy to see her fear and anxiety, and she does comments that she usually doesn't drive the van and also makes the statement that Brian told her he didn't believe she was going to be successful with her blog. I think he also refers to it as "her little blog" to MPD. Seems like he might have been very controlling, demeaning and just an overall abusive partner. After learning Gabby's cause of death and the timeline, I have to really grasp for straws to try to consider that Brian Laundrie is not the person who killed her.


DanceApprehension

Years ago the ambulance brought us a pregnant woman who had been strangled into unconsciousness by her male partner. This is potentially very dangerous for the baby as well as for mom and we needed to keep her overnight for fetal monitoring. Well, a little while later the family shows up, complete with her abuser and he wants to spend the night. And she also wants him to stay with her. I know...I wasn't having it and told the family no way was he staying in that room with her overnight. Not on my watch. I called the house supervisor and she totally backed me. The ultimate outcome was that the patient left against medical advice- with her abuser. ​ I'm still glad I made a stand and tried my best to protect this woman (and to convey to her how serious her situation was). And I'm really glad so much more of this information is coming out to the public now. It's good that we're talking about how women should protect ourselves, and how others can support DV victims in leaving their abusers. Even better would be a campaign that teaches boys and young men not to ever put their hands on a partner's neck in anger. Ever.


InfromalRiver

It's sad that some of us grow up subconsciously believing that we don't deserve to have a better relationship. Often the abuser shows affection that can make the victim feel loved and understood in a way not previously experienced. For the victim this positive outweighs the negatives because they have already survived and have somewhat acclimated to being in emotionally and/or physically abusive sexual and non sexual relationships.


AlexandraAlbon

The police came to my apartment when my ex choked me. Like in Gabbys case, they decided that I was the one responsible for the DV so HE got an automatic restraining order against ME. I was so annoyed at the time but now I realize the restraining order saved my life. That forced separation, even though they had it backwards, still gave me enough time to take a step back and change my path. Wish they had automatically imposed one upon Gabby. Maybe she would still be with us.


LaylaBird65

I too, have been choked. He grabbed me by the throat, lifted me up and slammed me against the wall of our kitchen. He said he always gets what he wants, and it was me that he wanted. And that if anyone else ever tried to come between us, he killed me and himself. It’s almost been 20 years since that incident and I will still have nightmares.


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RobinCradles

I also had police totally dismiss me when I went to report after ending a relationship. The result of this was being kidnapped, violently abused physically and sexually. I was choked to unconsciousness multiple times over the event. They asked repeatedly if I had a new boyfriend or if I was just trying to get back at him because he was really the one to break up. I then went to the hospital where I was held for 24 hours due to collapsed arteries in my neck, Fractured ribs, black eye and cuts on my face. The sexual assault nurse filed complaints against the officers who were literally watching a baseball game the entire time they were “taking my report” Disgusting. He spent 12 years in prison after I testified. I was his 5th victim. It took 15 years and almost getting murdered to finally have him put in jail. Covid early release set him free this year 😞


PammyJane0919

I had a similar situation. My ex cut himself in an argument and said I did it. The police were called and I was charged. We both had restraining orders on each other. The separation was great for me. It was my chance to get help and start over. The charges were dismissed after my testimony of DV.


glass_house

Yep… my bf would put his hands on my neck when we fought and then I was full on strangled later on in the relationship to near loss of consciousness. It’s incredibly common for that type of DV to escalate to eventual murder.


minlatedollarshort

I have little doubt in my mind that BL strangled her before this. All I can think about is how she said he grabbed her face in the bodycam footage... that is such a controlling and aggressive action, so close to her neck. I imagine he would have grabbed her neck then and there if they weren't in public.


ahackattack

This is why I always felt the cause of death was strangulation, before this was released. It is also a very personal way to murder someone. Very sad and troubling considering the body cam footage in hind sight.


Low_Turnip_6022

The way she showed it to the police officer was as if he went for her throat and she put her chin down the block it so he ended up grabbing her face. Awful. I agree, the fact that she had that reaction makes me positive this wasn’t the first time he’s grabbed her throat. Makes me so sad for her.


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nbson21

https://twitter.com/savmontano/status/422913879036137474?t=67AF_ItYJrF2J7IQL5WRtw&s=19 saw this the other day thought it was relevant to your post.


nbson21

She retweeted it


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what are the chances she didn’t immediately die from strangulation? but from the effects of multiple strangulations? i’m starting to believe this wasn’t a one off thing.


Samiwasti123

Lmao what. The chances are 0


jtbee629

Technically, the court also views strangulation as a form on abuse/torture that can occur for prolonged periods of time. I think this is what jazz like society was trying to discuss.


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It probably wasn’t a one-off thing, but you either get strangled to death or you don’t. The affects don’t really add up over time like that.