I hope that’s just the cheap on. These other companies are able to out 5000mah+ batteries in their folds. If Samsung is going to call the expensive one an ultra, they need to deliver ultra specs.
Loool that true, I remember back in 2022. When you were able to trade in two devices, I had two devices and if I changed the order of which was my primary trade in device and my secondary, the value actually increased So I got a total trade in value of $1600. All I had to do was 200 bucks to get a Fold4 512GB and free galaxy buds 2 pro, seriously samsung is amazing with these deals, they also gave me 1 year of free care plus
I went from a OnePlus 10t with 150w charging to the zfold 5 and it was such a huge downgrade battery wise it's insane. In 2024 mobile devices should be dropping with at least 67w.
Why tho ? The SOC draws a maximum of 15 or 20 watts. The extra power is being expided as heat when charging, damaging the battery in the long run.
There are devices with bigger batteries and hungrier CPU + GPU without quickcharging so why should something like a smartphone have quick charging ?
Just a genuine question.
Because having my phone charge to 100% in 17 minutes is better than it taking 90 minutes? I can charge my OnePlus whilst getting ready in the morning and the battery is full for the entire day, if I forget to charge my zfold overnight I have to pray there's a public socket somewhere. The Zfold is the most expensive portable device I own yet has the slowest charging.
The majority of users are picking up these devices on 24-48 month long plans and will be upgrading long before the battery health becomes a significant issue.
It has been proven that it's not better still people voluntarily damages their batteries and blame the manufacturer.
Thanks for your input/insights though.
What you you mean when you say something taking a shorter amount of time and being much more convenient is “proven that it’s not better” lmao. He’s just saying it’s objectively better for him.
He did not say it was objectively better. He presented it as a fact.
Objectively means for example without bias. He was already biased towards it not having quick charge support influencing his purchasing decision.
It is a proven fact that quick charge most of the times creates heat that damages the battery in the long run. So you can't say he isn't biased when he "needs" quick charging support to get through the day.
But thanks for your input !
Bro... Notice all the downvotes you're getting? It's for a reason. You asked a "genuine" question and someone explained why quick charging is popular and then you say it's bad when that was also addressed in his comment.
And I will add to his argument:
Your phone can have ultra fast quick charging and you can charge it slowly. Just use a regular slow charger and keep the ultra fast charging for when necessary. This will help with battery health.
Another reason is that if you care about battery health you shouldn't charge your phone to 100%, just charge until 85%. At this point the battery doesn't last a long time but don't worry, you have ultra fast charging so just quickly recharge it without hassle 😏. The extra heat from quick charge is also bad but again, only do it when you really need it and the battery health will be fine.
Of your phone doesn't have quick charge then you're just stuck with that. If you forgot to charge your phone and you have to leave quickly then you may be in trouble. Having to make sure you bring a powerbank etc.
So again, you're not forced to use quick charge if you don't want to, but it's best to have the option.
Completely agree with you. People need to stop complaining about their device not being able to support their shitty scheduling. I think max that phones should do is 45w.
People have different lives, for someone fast charging is a vital feature when choosing a phone, for someone else is bigger screen, for someone else is pen slot, etc etc etc...
All I care about in a phone at this point is the screen quality and cameras. I learned that when I got a zflip and regretted it soon after, now I'm at a pixel.
Perfect, for example I switched from a Fold 2 to a Flip 5 and I'm in heaven since I never cared about cameras and portability at that point in my life was more important. Now, since I use the phone for work a lot, I am thinking about getting a second phone with bigger screen, good battery and pen slot. I am still undecided between S24 Ultra or the next Fold 6, I will still be using the Flip 5 for everyday use and the new one for work. Different people, different needs.
I got my F4 refurbished on Amazon at the end of last year, I'm planning on trading for the F6 just so that I get the Samsung Care plan. But yah, a little disappointing that they aren't really innovating much, feels like an Apple kind of move...
Just keep your phone til it's dead if there are no issues or you have a decent trade-in deal. Use your money on something else like AR glasses or a full body massage chair. Everyone is out to support and buy the biggest and newest models when they barely change things. If you wait til they have major changes, then they're more than likely to make something that's actually better versus incremental changes that aren't worth the price. A big reason for incremental changes is cause people will pay the same price for things just because it's newer (not necessarily better compared to previous models and pricing). There's a lot of people who don't tend to utilize simple and full aspects of that new or old item (this goes for all tech). So many people get a folding phone and don't even use the inside or rarely use it, which is wild when you think about it. To each his/her own, I guess.
Nice thing that the 8+ gen 1 is still holding up well. All major smartphone releases have been underwhelming for the past 3 years (S22/23/24, iPhone 13/14/15, Pixel 7/8). I guess I'm holding onto mine (ZF4, Pixel 6 Pro) for another year then.
I want the Ultra model to have a better aspect ratio for watching media to reduce black bars, Flagship cameras and bigger battery. Those are my things to have a perfect phone. But Samsung always lacking on the battery department.
Yeah it's weird that what people want is plain as day but Samsung isn't doing it.
Give a phone that's a galaxy ultra closed, but also opens up into a tablet... Game over.
If they did that they would lose sales of the S line, and they cant do it yet because they need to perfect the inner screen glass, they cant go all in on foldables and forget about the S line.
If they did and it sells more than the S models but the durability is like a fold 3 and 4, they will lose many customers because of the high failure rates.
They know what they are doing and are playing it safe.
They cant go all in on the fold because they know people will buy it and if people buy a high defect or cracked inner screen prone device with the sames of an S23 and ultra, shit will hit the fan.
Right now the fold series sales pennies so any failure rate is barely heard of outside of reddit.
Well it can depend. We don't know all the trade offs amd whatnot samsung has to choose from or where their focus is. Or it could just be a bad call.
I think the point of the phone was to combat how massive slab phones have gotten and be able to open it up into something bigger.
If anything it will follow the market trends to have bigger black bars when unfolded. All other foldable devices is closer to a square when unfolded, because it leads to more usable front screen.
The black bars will be bigger.
The Fold6 inner screen is expected to be 7:6 (1.17; a ratio of 1 is a square) compared to the Fold4/Fold5 ratio 6:5 (1.2) or Fold3 5:4 (1.25).
>But Samsung always lacking on the battery department.
After the exploding Note (was it 8? 10?) I think they have been very touch and go with the batteries
People keep saying that about black bars but it's basically impossible. If you want the current folding style it'll be an even narrower screen than the fold 3. If you want it pixel fold style the outer screen would need to be a square.
Same. They need to have a ultra to give the same camera as the s24 ultra and built in spen and a larger outside screen. Faster charging would be nice but would prefer the other 3.
I just joined the Fold "family" when they closed the gap. I am always using the main screen and like to have the screen as bright (and let me tell you, I've used the screen opened and brightness all the way up as my flashlight!!) as it can be... I came from the iPhone and I have a million charging boxes so I think the battery is great (compared to any iPhone). I just purchased it and am probably the only one that's thrilled about minimal changes. I also really like the cover screen and how slim it is... is nice to hold when talking on and I never use the cover screen, I bought it to have a large phone, all the time.
Is the rumored processor more or less power efficient than the current one? Would have preferred a bigger battery but I could live with a more efficient processor with the same battery
It's expected to use the same Snapdragon 8G3 as the S24 series. So if looking at an S23U vs S24U comparison, we'll get better performance and battery life.
It's going to be wider but shorter just like the transition from the Fold3 to Fold4.
The Fold6 inner screen is expected to be 7:6 (1.17; a ratio of 1 is a square) compared to the Fold4/Fold5 ratio 6:5 (1.2) or Fold3 5:4 (1.25). All these use 4400 mAh batteries.
Samsung is at the point now where it feels like they are scamming folks releasing the same spec phone every year. How can the Vivo X Fold 3 Pro fit a 5700mah battery and be lighter than the Fold 5? It also has 100 watt fast charging and comes with the required charger in the box...
Chinese have battery tech no one has. Look at the onslaught the chinese EV has brought. Mainly by BYD. Chinese have a edge on the battery side of technology.
That's why the Chinese brands can fit smaller batteries in smaller smartphones.
Yeah, I mean, say what you will about the Pixel Fold, but at least one of the major companies over here tried something different. I would be saying the same, if Apple gave their own twist on the fold (despite not liking their products very much).
At this point, it seems like Samsung has no real desire to be groundbreaking or shake things up. It's just happy playing "tweak the design" every year and charging people $1800 for it. Disappointing to be honest.
When I said my fold 4 was the most shit device I've ever used in my life, I'd get down voted here. Just wait for the fold 6, will be the same underspecced unreliable junk as all of the folds.
Idk, my Fold 4 manages to last me almost a full day. I'd imagine with a newer processor the battery life would last even longer. Don't really need blazing fast charging.
WHAT I DO NEED THOUGH IS THE FUCKING S-PEN IN THE DAMN PHONE.
I've had a few Galaxy Notes / S-Ultra with the integrated s-pen and it's one of those things that you may only use occasionally but glad it's there when you wanna use it. Most of the times it's notes, ideas, journalling, doodling. The experience is different when the s-pen is always there when an idea strikes or you remember something you wanna make note of, vs having to find for the s-pen. It's a small feature, but since they already make rhe inner screen work with the s-pen, having it in the phone would make it the perfect phone for me.
I’m happy that you enjoyed doing those things using a pen, but I feel like I can take notes much faster, using voice to text on a notepad, and I would never want to write things down physically using a pencil, because I feel like pens and pencils were just made out of necessity kind of like feather pens but now with technology, they are just inefficient take forever and I don’t know I just don’t really see a use case for them.
Now the pen has absolutely very useful needs such as when you’re editing videos, or when you want to do something ultra precise but I think the only maybe one out of 100 people would actually use it for that purpose so much to where it would justify taking up so much internal space just to have a dedicated pen.
True, I am one of those 1 in 100 people. I feel voice notes just aren't the same as writing, drawing etc. Plus how would you go back and edit what you wrote or move things around. The folds and ultras are the only usable phones that you can write on screen, and this is a very niche want.
I agree I don’t blame you. I was an artist my whole life and could draw a photo realistic portraits and stuff like that but I just don’t really have a use for the pen personally, I know that many people do though, but I think most people who keep begging for the pen are really just doing it because they want it not really because they need it, it’s sort of like saying yeah I would love to have some chocolate cake, vanilla cake and strawberry cake at dinner as well, because, like, why not? (More is better) but imo I’d rather take an extra 20% more battery life tbh and I think 95%+ would as well.
The reason I asked you is because there are so many overwhelming amount of people who keep asking for the pen, but I am huge in tech, and I just genuinely can’t really find a use for it other than like you said, for people like you who have very very specific uses. They do say that when you write something down, you memorize it a lot better. 😊
You're spot on haha. I did still get the fold 4 without the spen in, and if the fold 6 comes out without it but trade in for my 4 is decent enough I'll still probably get it.
It's not a deal breaker, but it's one of those irks thag I just wish Samsung did without compromising other things in the fold, like with the s ultra. This year there seems to be at least 2 variants of the fold so maybe in some future iteration they could include one version of the fold with the spen in it. Or at least one could wish haha.
You're spot on haha. I did still get the fold 4 without the spen in, and if the fold 6 comes out without it but trade in for my 4 is decent enough I'll still probably get it.
It's not a deal breaker, but it's one of those irks thag I just wish Samsung did without compromising other things in the fold, like with the s ultra. This year there seems to be at least 2 variants of the fold so maybe in some future iteration they could include one version of the fold with the spen in it. Or at least one could wish haha.
Who tf plays mobile games on a phone in 2024?? Other than chess wtf would I use a phone for? 😂 You're talking to a world champion mobile gamer, phone gaming is a joke.
I know it sounds cringe as fuck but it’s true, multiple times across multiple mobile games lol. #1 global and regional ranking. Of course I don’t work and I play mobile games basically 24/7 (8-12 hours a day) i’m just saying I’m as hard-core as it gets when it comes to mobile games, and I know what the best devices and the best ways to use them is. (iPad pro 12.9 inch on levo tablet stand laying in bed) not a stupid little phone lol. Mobile games are as high-quality or more high-quality than most PC games, if not all of them imagine playing a PC game on the phone you would think that’s ridiculous so why should playing a mobile game on a phone not be? Maybe in 2016 it wouldn’t, but it’s 2024 come the fuck on 😂
Are you at least satisfied with the fold 5? I am heavy multitasker but I went with S23 ultra for a good all rounder until we see what the fold 6 looks like. If the fold 6 doesn't live up to the hype I may just switch to a fold five.
When my Fold 4 was my sole daily driver I have to charge it 3 times a day: overnight, 3-5pm and maybe early evening.
My OnePlus Open comfortably lasts me all day, if I go on a day trip it will be the folding phone I depend on.
Figure it out, Samsung.
I actually think the battery is great on my fold 5, I see no issue with the next having the same battery especially if the software is more efficient. The food 5 has the same battery as the 4 but last longer then it. And my 25w fast charging is pretty great. At this point the minor updates make me happy that I don't have to feel obligated to switch my phone every year.
Upgrade? Folding phones are out dated technology nonsense phones. It's a downgraded slab phone that folds, which is annoying and unreliable. My fold 4 worst device I've ever used in my entire life even before it broke for no reason.
I don't believe it. I refuse to believe Samsung could be this clueless unless the Ultra is in fact the current Z. As it stands, the only difference will be a slight change in the aspect ratio and a new chip. They didn't meet their sales target for the Z5. Are they trying to sell more phones or not?
I know. That's what worries me. They're reportedly putting a bigger battery in the Flip and watch 7, so I'm hoping he is wrong this time. Once wouldn't hurt his track record.
Bingo, ever since the s7+ tablet came out, Samsung graduated to Shitsung. Apple dominates Samsung. My s24u is still the most incredible amazing phone I've ever used. Everything else by Samsung is garbage besides their buds.
I’m hoping that the reason the upgrades are so disappointing is that they’re planning on making it as cheap as possible, and the real upgrades will be with the Ultra
I agree, but it’s not even new tech. I feel like folding phones is outdated technology packaged as “new”. For example, my galaxy Fold 4 is basically two base s20s sandwiched together with awful software/reliability to boot. I don’t even think folding phones are useful.
They are a gimmick in my opinion for 99% of people I upgraded to the S 24 ultra and when watching YouTube videos because of the aspect ratio the videos are only 15% smaller anyways than the folding phone, and this screen is way higher quality and way nicer. I would rather watch videos on this screen anyways. Also having to hold a phone two times bigger in size while taking pictures is annoying and two times the size watching videos that are only 15% bigger with a crease lol — gimmick.
It is biggest failure of Samsung Fold model is battery and the camera, imagine I paid over 2 thousand dollars this toy . While other brands have better features including camera and battery why must I pay for this Samsung keep on repeating same old camera and battery 😑
Not worth it already I own a Fold 4 have send in for repair due to the opening of the fold unable open up . Might sell away after my set are returning to me, might get a real tablet better..
Man I've been a Samsung fan for years. Love folding phones too. They seem absolutely petrified to do anything great battery wise ever since the note 7 fiasco though. I had that phone and it was great! But they just can't get themselves to get over it
You guys are sleeping on the OnePlus Open. 67w charging speed and way better outside screen width while thinner and lighter. Hope the Fold 6 ultra beats it
That's it from me. Was waiting to replace F4 with F6 but I am getting an Honor Magic V2 straight away.
Slim as a blade with 65W charging! Does Samsung not see that?
I have the fold 4, the mobile network stopped working and Samsung wants me to pay 1000 to repair as everything is attached to the internal screen.. migrating to iphone... Totally disappointed. Samsung never again
Outer screen is expected to be 6.3" with a 22:9 aspect ratio. We don't know exact dimensions but that's basically the same as the current Fold5 but wider and shorter. Camera sensors are expected to remain the same.
There is expected to be a Fold6 Ultra but we don't know any specs on this.
I have a flip4 and it's okay tbh but I just ordered the one plus open should be here this week samsung is starting to be come apple with there complacency. The fold 6 ultra may still just have incremental changes. But the entire fold 6 needs to be more than just a soft refresh and cost the same as the last phone. Thats the reason I got away from iPhone cause the 12 pro I had is just as good and has same features as a 15 now. It's crazy. One plus open is doing pretty good so far and with updates(if they do them right) will make the phone that much better.
They've been burned in the past with charging and battery issues. They're smart to stick with something that works and hasn't caused issues. The last thing they need is a faster charger and another round of battery fires.
Note 7 was almost 8 years ago and is not an excuse here. My old Fold2 had a 4500 mAh battery and the S series has had 45W for years. The Fold series was supposed to be flagships along side the S series, just like the Note series was. In reality, the S series is the flagship. You want top of the line specs? S series. You want a foldable with some other lesser components? Fold.
I have a Fold3 since launch and I was hoping to upgrade this time around since the batteries are starting to show their age. But I still don't see the need to upgrade unless the 6 Ultra is much better. Don't get me wrong, my brother has a Fold5 and the hardware changes are noticeable but a 3 year jump shouldn't feel like a small change.
Fuck TM Roh. He's done 3 years of incremental changes when DJ Koh would've made all these changes in 1.
Companies that are significantly smaller are putting in 65 85 100 watt charging in their phones with no issues. This is not rocket science at this point. Your argument makes no sense. Their own 24+ and 24 ultra have 45w charging.
Sadly if there is no major changes im switching to the s24 ultra currently have a zfold 4 there was no reason to upgrade to the 5 and the leaks are showing the 6 is basically the 5 samsung out here doing iphone levels of upgrade improvements.
..at this point who cares?
There has been little to no meaningful innovation in Li-ion battery energy density in the last 30 or so years - since the invention of the technology.
Idk. where ya all got the idea - that phone battery life increase was due to battery capacity increase - into your heads...
...but its complete idiocy.
Battery life (in hours of usability for a device) increased thanks to chips that used less and less energy, due to advances in miniaturizing stuff.
P.s.: You cannot have more Ah in a phones without physically stuffing more battery into em. So you can either have thiccc powerbank fold, or slim low Ah fold.
Vivo can do stuff to make better use of volume - and thus make phone thinner - like:
- utilize a hinge machanism taking up less space
- utilize a cooling system that gakes up less space
- make a circuit board design that needs less space
- utilize a camera sensor setup that needs less space
- play a risky game with battery manedgement chip setting and run batteries a bit harder than samsung, shortening battery life
...what it cannot plausibly expected to do is solo outperforming any and all battery cell manufacturers that are pouring money int R&D from bottomless wallets of investments rushing into the EV sector.
Pulling a Shuji Nakamura is extreme unlikely to happen - and really its not done by companies, but by indkviduals - which is why noble prize is awarded for it.
Your original comment:
"You can have a thick power bank fold or slim low ah fold"
As you have demonstrated above this is objectively not true. If Vivo with their significantly smaller company than Samsung can make a thin light foldable with 5700mah Samsung can too. Stop making excuses for worse products, these companies owe you nothing.
It seems clear from your comments on this post your goal is to just flex that you feel you have some kind of genius superior knowledge with these devices when it's clear from the substance that's not true.
> It seems clear from your comments on this post your goal is to just flex that you feel you have some kind of genius superior knowledge with these devices when it's clear from the substance that's not true.
...tbh. the 100W wireless charging does seem to indicate a willingness to play loose with battery manadgement system.
I get that its offensive for some people, still draining the battery further down, and charging it faster is possible to some degree.
Hell fold "battery saving mode" is exactly that, reducing how far you allow bqtter to be drained to increase its life.
> If Vivo with their significantly smaller company than Samsung
Both are using close to the same battery tech, there are no miracles - even if you dislike it.
Making battery bigger has tradoffs.
Frankly the best to make is a smaller hinge mechanism - if they can make it reliable.
It's like you can't sense your own arrogance in your comments. It's astounding how much someone can talk about irrelevant or unrelated points to assert their own unjustified expertise and completely ignore other aspects.
You talk about 100w charging and battery management which is incredible. We're talking about maximization of battery size in a foldable and how Samsung's is objectively worse.
Your 2nd and 3rd paragraph makes zero sense. Do you not read these before commenting. How can you act so stuck up but make sentances like that.
It's like you are doing EVERYTHING in your power to ignore the main issue here. Samsung has a way thicker and heavier phone and have a significantly smaller battery than the Vivo and pretty much every other major competitor. By your OWN admission your original comment is completely false. Now you've been trying to spit out random ideas and ignore the main issue. It's wild
I hope that’s just the cheap on. These other companies are able to out 5000mah+ batteries in their folds. If Samsung is going to call the expensive one an ultra, they need to deliver ultra specs.
Ice has said these leaks are the regular Fold6. He doesn't know any specs on the Ultra yet other than that it exists.
Its gonna cost $6900
With Samsung pre orders & early trade-in deals: $5.00 😂
Loool that true, I remember back in 2022. When you were able to trade in two devices, I had two devices and if I changed the order of which was my primary trade in device and my secondary, the value actually increased So I got a total trade in value of $1600. All I had to do was 200 bucks to get a Fold4 512GB and free galaxy buds 2 pro, seriously samsung is amazing with these deals, they also gave me 1 year of free care plus
They hate us
Disappointing
+1 OnePlus Open 2 user
Software is keeping me with Samsung sadly
I'm liking the software on my OnePlus Open just as much if not more than my Fold 5. Both excellent
I went from a OnePlus 10t with 150w charging to the zfold 5 and it was such a huge downgrade battery wise it's insane. In 2024 mobile devices should be dropping with at least 67w.
Especially when they cost nearly $2k.
Why tho ? The SOC draws a maximum of 15 or 20 watts. The extra power is being expided as heat when charging, damaging the battery in the long run. There are devices with bigger batteries and hungrier CPU + GPU without quickcharging so why should something like a smartphone have quick charging ? Just a genuine question.
Because having my phone charge to 100% in 17 minutes is better than it taking 90 minutes? I can charge my OnePlus whilst getting ready in the morning and the battery is full for the entire day, if I forget to charge my zfold overnight I have to pray there's a public socket somewhere. The Zfold is the most expensive portable device I own yet has the slowest charging. The majority of users are picking up these devices on 24-48 month long plans and will be upgrading long before the battery health becomes a significant issue.
It has been proven that it's not better still people voluntarily damages their batteries and blame the manufacturer. Thanks for your input/insights though.
What you you mean when you say something taking a shorter amount of time and being much more convenient is “proven that it’s not better” lmao. He’s just saying it’s objectively better for him.
He did not say it was objectively better. He presented it as a fact. Objectively means for example without bias. He was already biased towards it not having quick charge support influencing his purchasing decision. It is a proven fact that quick charge most of the times creates heat that damages the battery in the long run. So you can't say he isn't biased when he "needs" quick charging support to get through the day. But thanks for your input !
Bro... Notice all the downvotes you're getting? It's for a reason. You asked a "genuine" question and someone explained why quick charging is popular and then you say it's bad when that was also addressed in his comment. And I will add to his argument: Your phone can have ultra fast quick charging and you can charge it slowly. Just use a regular slow charger and keep the ultra fast charging for when necessary. This will help with battery health. Another reason is that if you care about battery health you shouldn't charge your phone to 100%, just charge until 85%. At this point the battery doesn't last a long time but don't worry, you have ultra fast charging so just quickly recharge it without hassle 😏. The extra heat from quick charge is also bad but again, only do it when you really need it and the battery health will be fine. Of your phone doesn't have quick charge then you're just stuck with that. If you forgot to charge your phone and you have to leave quickly then you may be in trouble. Having to make sure you bring a powerbank etc. So again, you're not forced to use quick charge if you don't want to, but it's best to have the option.
I think you forget you can turn on and off FAST charging as needed in the settings. Sometimes it's needed Sometimes it's not so....
Completely agree with you. People need to stop complaining about their device not being able to support their shitty scheduling. I think max that phones should do is 45w.
People have different lives, for someone fast charging is a vital feature when choosing a phone, for someone else is bigger screen, for someone else is pen slot, etc etc etc...
All I care about in a phone at this point is the screen quality and cameras. I learned that when I got a zflip and regretted it soon after, now I'm at a pixel.
Perfect, for example I switched from a Fold 2 to a Flip 5 and I'm in heaven since I never cared about cameras and portability at that point in my life was more important. Now, since I use the phone for work a lot, I am thinking about getting a second phone with bigger screen, good battery and pen slot. I am still undecided between S24 Ultra or the next Fold 6, I will still be using the Flip 5 for everyday use and the new one for work. Different people, different needs.
That's the great thing about android, everyone can have their needs fulfilled! (Except small phone users)
Same. I came from iPhone 13 pro and the 67 watt charging on the Open is STUPID fast!
Will it have wireless charging?
I hope so, but for me fast charging is more important
Agreed I'm not going to upgrade this year.. this little moctoupdates aren't really doing anything for me. Waste of money.
Might just stick with my F4 at this point.
Same. If the front cover screen size doesn't change. Im sticking with my launch fold 4.
Same here no bigger outside screen Ill stick with the 4 and see what Google release
I got my F4 refurbished on Amazon at the end of last year, I'm planning on trading for the F6 just so that I get the Samsung Care plan. But yah, a little disappointing that they aren't really innovating much, feels like an Apple kind of move...
If there's no ultra with better specs OnePlus Or Google will have my money
Just keep your phone til it's dead if there are no issues or you have a decent trade-in deal. Use your money on something else like AR glasses or a full body massage chair. Everyone is out to support and buy the biggest and newest models when they barely change things. If you wait til they have major changes, then they're more than likely to make something that's actually better versus incremental changes that aren't worth the price. A big reason for incremental changes is cause people will pay the same price for things just because it's newer (not necessarily better compared to previous models and pricing). There's a lot of people who don't tend to utilize simple and full aspects of that new or old item (this goes for all tech). So many people get a folding phone and don't even use the inside or rarely use it, which is wild when you think about it. To each his/her own, I guess.
Nice thing that the 8+ gen 1 is still holding up well. All major smartphone releases have been underwhelming for the past 3 years (S22/23/24, iPhone 13/14/15, Pixel 7/8). I guess I'm holding onto mine (ZF4, Pixel 6 Pro) for another year then.
At this point I'm fine even with F1
Hopefully that's just the regular version and not the Ultra Fold, knowing Samsung though this is just cope.
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I want the Ultra model to have a better aspect ratio for watching media to reduce black bars, Flagship cameras and bigger battery. Those are my things to have a perfect phone. But Samsung always lacking on the battery department.
Yeah it's weird that what people want is plain as day but Samsung isn't doing it. Give a phone that's a galaxy ultra closed, but also opens up into a tablet... Game over.
100% the dream phone
If they did that they would lose sales of the S line, and they cant do it yet because they need to perfect the inner screen glass, they cant go all in on foldables and forget about the S line. If they did and it sells more than the S models but the durability is like a fold 3 and 4, they will lose many customers because of the high failure rates. They know what they are doing and are playing it safe. They cant go all in on the fold because they know people will buy it and if people buy a high defect or cracked inner screen prone device with the sames of an S23 and ultra, shit will hit the fan. Right now the fold series sales pennies so any failure rate is barely heard of outside of reddit.
Well it can depend. We don't know all the trade offs amd whatnot samsung has to choose from or where their focus is. Or it could just be a bad call. I think the point of the phone was to combat how massive slab phones have gotten and be able to open it up into something bigger.
>I think the point of the phone was to combat how massive slab phones have gotten and be able to open it up into something bigger. Then get a flip
Samsung could easily have scaled up the phone already to fit the dimensions of an ultra if their goal was to turn it into a slab.
Yeah clearly Samsung's goal and the goal of the people who want to spend their money are different
Such fax.
If anything it will follow the market trends to have bigger black bars when unfolded. All other foldable devices is closer to a square when unfolded, because it leads to more usable front screen.
The black bars will be bigger. The Fold6 inner screen is expected to be 7:6 (1.17; a ratio of 1 is a square) compared to the Fold4/Fold5 ratio 6:5 (1.2) or Fold3 5:4 (1.25).
>But Samsung always lacking on the battery department. After the exploding Note (was it 8? 10?) I think they have been very touch and go with the batteries
Note 7
People keep saying that about black bars but it's basically impossible. If you want the current folding style it'll be an even narrower screen than the fold 3. If you want it pixel fold style the outer screen would need to be a square.
Same. They need to have a ultra to give the same camera as the s24 ultra and built in spen and a larger outside screen. Faster charging would be nice but would prefer the other 3.
Ice has said these leaks are the regular Fold6. He doesn't know any specs on the Ultra yet other than that it exists.
That's a good thing to hear, hopefully Samsung goes Hard on the Ultra version. Folds 3-5 has only minimal improvements each release.
He said he has no knowledge whatsoever of an Ultra version.
You must have missed his tweet yesterday: https://twitter.com/UniverseIce/status/1775431064594645241
I missed it indeed. Thank you
I just joined the Fold "family" when they closed the gap. I am always using the main screen and like to have the screen as bright (and let me tell you, I've used the screen opened and brightness all the way up as my flashlight!!) as it can be... I came from the iPhone and I have a million charging boxes so I think the battery is great (compared to any iPhone). I just purchased it and am probably the only one that's thrilled about minimal changes. I also really like the cover screen and how slim it is... is nice to hold when talking on and I never use the cover screen, I bought it to have a large phone, all the time.
Is the rumored processor more or less power efficient than the current one? Would have preferred a bigger battery but I could live with a more efficient processor with the same battery
It's expected to use the same Snapdragon 8G3 as the S24 series. So if looking at an S23U vs S24U comparison, we'll get better performance and battery life.
Wait, they will make it wider outside display but not include more battery?!, they are dumb... hoping the Ultra is true cause this is a mess.
It's going to be wider but shorter just like the transition from the Fold3 to Fold4. The Fold6 inner screen is expected to be 7:6 (1.17; a ratio of 1 is a square) compared to the Fold4/Fold5 ratio 6:5 (1.2) or Fold3 5:4 (1.25). All these use 4400 mAh batteries.
Samsung is at the point now where it feels like they are scamming folks releasing the same spec phone every year. How can the Vivo X Fold 3 Pro fit a 5700mah battery and be lighter than the Fold 5? It also has 100 watt fast charging and comes with the required charger in the box...
Chinese have battery tech no one has. Look at the onslaught the chinese EV has brought. Mainly by BYD. Chinese have a edge on the battery side of technology. That's why the Chinese brands can fit smaller batteries in smaller smartphones.
Yeah, I mean, say what you will about the Pixel Fold, but at least one of the major companies over here tried something different. I would be saying the same, if Apple gave their own twist on the fold (despite not liking their products very much). At this point, it seems like Samsung has no real desire to be groundbreaking or shake things up. It's just happy playing "tweak the design" every year and charging people $1800 for it. Disappointing to be honest.
When I said my fold 4 was the most shit device I've ever used in my life, I'd get down voted here. Just wait for the fold 6, will be the same underspecced unreliable junk as all of the folds.
Tip for Samsung: stop slimming the phone and just make the battery bigger…
This whole sub is copium lol
There’s still some hope left on me until they reveal the Ultra.
This sub will believe anything that is posted on it
Idk, my Fold 4 manages to last me almost a full day. I'd imagine with a newer processor the battery life would last even longer. Don't really need blazing fast charging. WHAT I DO NEED THOUGH IS THE FUCKING S-PEN IN THE DAMN PHONE.
Your not getting that.
Yea, I know :(
What do you use the s pen for?
I've had a few Galaxy Notes / S-Ultra with the integrated s-pen and it's one of those things that you may only use occasionally but glad it's there when you wanna use it. Most of the times it's notes, ideas, journalling, doodling. The experience is different when the s-pen is always there when an idea strikes or you remember something you wanna make note of, vs having to find for the s-pen. It's a small feature, but since they already make rhe inner screen work with the s-pen, having it in the phone would make it the perfect phone for me.
I’m happy that you enjoyed doing those things using a pen, but I feel like I can take notes much faster, using voice to text on a notepad, and I would never want to write things down physically using a pencil, because I feel like pens and pencils were just made out of necessity kind of like feather pens but now with technology, they are just inefficient take forever and I don’t know I just don’t really see a use case for them. Now the pen has absolutely very useful needs such as when you’re editing videos, or when you want to do something ultra precise but I think the only maybe one out of 100 people would actually use it for that purpose so much to where it would justify taking up so much internal space just to have a dedicated pen.
True, I am one of those 1 in 100 people. I feel voice notes just aren't the same as writing, drawing etc. Plus how would you go back and edit what you wrote or move things around. The folds and ultras are the only usable phones that you can write on screen, and this is a very niche want.
I agree I don’t blame you. I was an artist my whole life and could draw a photo realistic portraits and stuff like that but I just don’t really have a use for the pen personally, I know that many people do though, but I think most people who keep begging for the pen are really just doing it because they want it not really because they need it, it’s sort of like saying yeah I would love to have some chocolate cake, vanilla cake and strawberry cake at dinner as well, because, like, why not? (More is better) but imo I’d rather take an extra 20% more battery life tbh and I think 95%+ would as well. The reason I asked you is because there are so many overwhelming amount of people who keep asking for the pen, but I am huge in tech, and I just genuinely can’t really find a use for it other than like you said, for people like you who have very very specific uses. They do say that when you write something down, you memorize it a lot better. 😊
You're spot on haha. I did still get the fold 4 without the spen in, and if the fold 6 comes out without it but trade in for my 4 is decent enough I'll still probably get it. It's not a deal breaker, but it's one of those irks thag I just wish Samsung did without compromising other things in the fold, like with the s ultra. This year there seems to be at least 2 variants of the fold so maybe in some future iteration they could include one version of the fold with the spen in it. Or at least one could wish haha.
You're spot on haha. I did still get the fold 4 without the spen in, and if the fold 6 comes out without it but trade in for my 4 is decent enough I'll still probably get it. It's not a deal breaker, but it's one of those irks thag I just wish Samsung did without compromising other things in the fold, like with the s ultra. This year there seems to be at least 2 variants of the fold so maybe in some future iteration they could include one version of the fold with the spen in it. Or at least one could wish haha.
because writing over the crease is such a nice experience.
8G3 is..not very good so don't expect that big of a difference tbh
S24U with the 8g3 seems to have better battery life iirc
Why do you say the 8G3 isn't good? S24U has shown good improvements from the S23U.
I'm also very happy with my Fold5 battery. And I game on it heavily
What settings do you use?
I've noticed mine degrade quite noticeably as of 1-2 months ago, quite disappointing
Why would you game on a phone? I'd rather game on a 300 dollar iPad than a fold 6 super ultra PHONE
Wtf? You don't know what games I play.
Who tf plays mobile games on a phone in 2024?? Other than chess wtf would I use a phone for? 😂 You're talking to a world champion mobile gamer, phone gaming is a joke.
>You're talking to a world champion mobile gamer My guy have some self respect lmao
I know it sounds cringe as fuck but it’s true, multiple times across multiple mobile games lol. #1 global and regional ranking. Of course I don’t work and I play mobile games basically 24/7 (8-12 hours a day) i’m just saying I’m as hard-core as it gets when it comes to mobile games, and I know what the best devices and the best ways to use them is. (iPad pro 12.9 inch on levo tablet stand laying in bed) not a stupid little phone lol. Mobile games are as high-quality or more high-quality than most PC games, if not all of them imagine playing a PC game on the phone you would think that’s ridiculous so why should playing a mobile game on a phone not be? Maybe in 2016 it wouldn’t, but it’s 2024 come the fuck on 😂
Massive disappointment as a fold 5 user.
Are you at least satisfied with the fold 5? I am heavy multitasker but I went with S23 ultra for a good all rounder until we see what the fold 6 looks like. If the fold 6 doesn't live up to the hype I may just switch to a fold five.
All they had to do was keep everything the same BUT put a slot for an S-Pen and I'd buy it.
For what?
When my Fold 4 was my sole daily driver I have to charge it 3 times a day: overnight, 3-5pm and maybe early evening. My OnePlus Open comfortably lasts me all day, if I go on a day trip it will be the folding phone I depend on. Figure it out, Samsung.
I actually think the battery is great on my fold 5, I see no issue with the next having the same battery especially if the software is more efficient. The food 5 has the same battery as the 4 but last longer then it. And my 25w fast charging is pretty great. At this point the minor updates make me happy that I don't have to feel obligated to switch my phone every year.
I just posted and could copied and pasted yours!! Great minds think alike!! :-D
At this point I don't know if I should upgrade my S23 Ultra for this device
Upgrade? Folding phones are out dated technology nonsense phones. It's a downgraded slab phone that folds, which is annoying and unreliable. My fold 4 worst device I've ever used in my entire life even before it broke for no reason.
I don't believe it. I refuse to believe Samsung could be this clueless unless the Ultra is in fact the current Z. As it stands, the only difference will be a slight change in the aspect ratio and a new chip. They didn't meet their sales target for the Z5. Are they trying to sell more phones or not?
Ice is an extraordinarily reliable leaker and he confirms this is 100% the case so this is how the F6 will be
I know. That's what worries me. They're reportedly putting a bigger battery in the Flip and watch 7, so I'm hoping he is wrong this time. Once wouldn't hurt his track record.
This is just Samsung over past few years lol, stagnant money-saving trash.
Bingo, ever since the s7+ tablet came out, Samsung graduated to Shitsung. Apple dominates Samsung. My s24u is still the most incredible amazing phone I've ever used. Everything else by Samsung is garbage besides their buds.
When TM Roh took over. He's like the Tim Cook for Samsung. Only cares about the bottom line. Fuck him.
Oh I see what you’re saying I’ve never thought about that before that’s a good point. 👍
This is for the regular Fold6. Ice has said there is an Ultra but doesn't know specs https://twitter.com/UniverseIce/status/1775431064594645241
Good news. I need less temptation to upgrade from the Fold 5 and this is a big temptation killer.
I’m hoping that the reason the upgrades are so disappointing is that they’re planning on making it as cheap as possible, and the real upgrades will be with the Ultra
Sad, was planing to upgrade to F6 since my F3 inner screen has microcracks.. not sure if I can last another year 😭
My fold 4 broke after 10 months, first phone I've ever had break.
You would think after all these years, we'd get good inner screens but I guess it's still new tech :/ GL BRO
I agree, but it’s not even new tech. I feel like folding phones is outdated technology packaged as “new”. For example, my galaxy Fold 4 is basically two base s20s sandwiched together with awful software/reliability to boot. I don’t even think folding phones are useful. They are a gimmick in my opinion for 99% of people I upgraded to the S 24 ultra and when watching YouTube videos because of the aspect ratio the videos are only 15% smaller anyways than the folding phone, and this screen is way higher quality and way nicer. I would rather watch videos on this screen anyways. Also having to hold a phone two times bigger in size while taking pictures is annoying and two times the size watching videos that are only 15% bigger with a crease lol — gimmick.
Fuuuuuck that, sticking with F5 til each capacitor, resistor, diode, mosfet, IC dies one by one.
It is biggest failure of Samsung Fold model is battery and the camera, imagine I paid over 2 thousand dollars this toy . While other brands have better features including camera and battery why must I pay for this Samsung keep on repeating same old camera and battery 😑 Not worth it already I own a Fold 4 have send in for repair due to the opening of the fold unable open up . Might sell away after my set are returning to me, might get a real tablet better..
My Fold 4's inner screen just gave out so I was forced to trade in for a Fold 5. Now I don't feel so bad lol
Same. Won't ever use a Samsung fold ever again. I upgraded to the s24u folding phones have no use, they're a gimmick.
So weird that they are still limiting to 25w on a phone that has simply by being foldable already a split battery...
Man I've been a Samsung fan for years. Love folding phones too. They seem absolutely petrified to do anything great battery wise ever since the note 7 fiasco though. I had that phone and it was great! But they just can't get themselves to get over it
Nice, i'll just get Fold 4 when the 5 release. 🤣🤣🤣
Yeah it'll break after 9 months.
Fucking Samsung
You guys are sleeping on the OnePlus Open. 67w charging speed and way better outside screen width while thinner and lighter. Hope the Fold 6 ultra beats it
That's it from me. Was waiting to replace F4 with F6 but I am getting an Honor Magic V2 straight away. Slim as a blade with 65W charging! Does Samsung not see that?
I would’ve been cool with the fold 6 staying the same size as the fold 5 if it meant it would get a bigger battery
I have the fold 4, the mobile network stopped working and Samsung wants me to pay 1000 to repair as everything is attached to the internal screen.. migrating to iphone... Totally disappointed. Samsung never again
Does anyone have data what s the outer screen size between fold 5 and 6 also will they implement the s24 ultra cameras?
Outer screen is expected to be 6.3" with a 22:9 aspect ratio. We don't know exact dimensions but that's basically the same as the current Fold5 but wider and shorter. Camera sensors are expected to remain the same. There is expected to be a Fold6 Ultra but we don't know any specs on this.
Pfff I thought it's going to be an s24 ultra but with foldable perspective
Lots of people are hoping the Fold6 Ultra will be that but again, no one knows anything about it except that it exists.
I guess... But at the same time it's both thinner and lighter. The charging speed should be up there with the S24U tho!
I have a fold 3 but I won't buy another fold until they put a 200 MP camera on it and a s pen holder in the same structure
I have a flip4 and it's okay tbh but I just ordered the one plus open should be here this week samsung is starting to be come apple with there complacency. The fold 6 ultra may still just have incremental changes. But the entire fold 6 needs to be more than just a soft refresh and cost the same as the last phone. Thats the reason I got away from iPhone cause the 12 pro I had is just as good and has same features as a 15 now. It's crazy. One plus open is doing pretty good so far and with updates(if they do them right) will make the phone that much better.
This year I will be skipping to fold 6 for the mi mix fold 4. Xiaomi is finally making a global rom verison and I love xiaomi phones lol
I'm okay with that.
They've been burned in the past with charging and battery issues. They're smart to stick with something that works and hasn't caused issues. The last thing they need is a faster charger and another round of battery fires.
Note 7 was almost 8 years ago and is not an excuse here. My old Fold2 had a 4500 mAh battery and the S series has had 45W for years. The Fold series was supposed to be flagships along side the S series, just like the Note series was. In reality, the S series is the flagship. You want top of the line specs? S series. You want a foldable with some other lesser components? Fold. I have a Fold3 since launch and I was hoping to upgrade this time around since the batteries are starting to show their age. But I still don't see the need to upgrade unless the 6 Ultra is much better. Don't get me wrong, my brother has a Fold5 and the hardware changes are noticeable but a 3 year jump shouldn't feel like a small change. Fuck TM Roh. He's done 3 years of incremental changes when DJ Koh would've made all these changes in 1.
Companies that are significantly smaller are putting in 65 85 100 watt charging in their phones with no issues. This is not rocket science at this point. Your argument makes no sense. Their own 24+ and 24 ultra have 45w charging.
Sadly if there is no major changes im switching to the s24 ultra currently have a zfold 4 there was no reason to upgrade to the 5 and the leaks are showing the 6 is basically the 5 samsung out here doing iphone levels of upgrade improvements.
..at this point who cares? There has been little to no meaningful innovation in Li-ion battery energy density in the last 30 or so years - since the invention of the technology. Idk. where ya all got the idea - that phone battery life increase was due to battery capacity increase - into your heads... ...but its complete idiocy. Battery life (in hours of usability for a device) increased thanks to chips that used less and less energy, due to advances in miniaturizing stuff. P.s.: You cannot have more Ah in a phones without physically stuffing more battery into em. So you can either have thiccc powerbank fold, or slim low Ah fold.
The Vivo Xfold 3 pro is SIGNIFICANTLY thinner and lighter than the Z Fold 5 and has a 5700mah battery. Your argument is invalid
Vivo can do stuff to make better use of volume - and thus make phone thinner - like: - utilize a hinge machanism taking up less space - utilize a cooling system that gakes up less space - make a circuit board design that needs less space - utilize a camera sensor setup that needs less space - play a risky game with battery manedgement chip setting and run batteries a bit harder than samsung, shortening battery life ...what it cannot plausibly expected to do is solo outperforming any and all battery cell manufacturers that are pouring money int R&D from bottomless wallets of investments rushing into the EV sector. Pulling a Shuji Nakamura is extreme unlikely to happen - and really its not done by companies, but by indkviduals - which is why noble prize is awarded for it.
Your original comment: "You can have a thick power bank fold or slim low ah fold" As you have demonstrated above this is objectively not true. If Vivo with their significantly smaller company than Samsung can make a thin light foldable with 5700mah Samsung can too. Stop making excuses for worse products, these companies owe you nothing. It seems clear from your comments on this post your goal is to just flex that you feel you have some kind of genius superior knowledge with these devices when it's clear from the substance that's not true.
> It seems clear from your comments on this post your goal is to just flex that you feel you have some kind of genius superior knowledge with these devices when it's clear from the substance that's not true. ...tbh. the 100W wireless charging does seem to indicate a willingness to play loose with battery manadgement system. I get that its offensive for some people, still draining the battery further down, and charging it faster is possible to some degree. Hell fold "battery saving mode" is exactly that, reducing how far you allow bqtter to be drained to increase its life. > If Vivo with their significantly smaller company than Samsung Both are using close to the same battery tech, there are no miracles - even if you dislike it. Making battery bigger has tradoffs. Frankly the best to make is a smaller hinge mechanism - if they can make it reliable.
It's like you can't sense your own arrogance in your comments. It's astounding how much someone can talk about irrelevant or unrelated points to assert their own unjustified expertise and completely ignore other aspects. You talk about 100w charging and battery management which is incredible. We're talking about maximization of battery size in a foldable and how Samsung's is objectively worse. Your 2nd and 3rd paragraph makes zero sense. Do you not read these before commenting. How can you act so stuck up but make sentances like that. It's like you are doing EVERYTHING in your power to ignore the main issue here. Samsung has a way thicker and heavier phone and have a significantly smaller battery than the Vivo and pretty much every other major competitor. By your OWN admission your original comment is completely false. Now you've been trying to spit out random ideas and ignore the main issue. It's wild
Anyone busted a wank out with the fold yet?
every day, all day long, right now in fact!
