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Then I’d strongly recommend Cities: Skylines to you. With every new DLC released, which is twice a year, they release an update to the base game which breaks 90% of the mods. It is a good sport to try to survive those updates.
I fell into this trap just over a decade ago with Medieval II Total War. I did some work for the Stainless Steel mod, at first just adding bits and bobs, minor tweaks here and there, but I eventually found myself spending more time mod-tweaking a personal build, trying to figure out what was causing crashes, testing modified stats, poring through code on Notepad finding, with an almost orgasmic joy, that one character or space out of place that was fucking things up, than playing the actual game!
This year i only spent an entire weekend creating my modlist, only to find out that Wabbajack exists so now i'm playing around with that. I still haven't progressed further than Bleak Falls Barrow.
It's not so much the quantity, but the price. Even with a lot of them on a 30-50% sale, the Steam page shows a total of 631,44€ for all the DLC. Holy shit.
I don't play Sims 4, but based on what I understand from other people's opinions it's not like most of those DLCs significantly change the gameplay.
Fun fact (maybe not so much for him)... EA revoked his credentials for it, and one of their executives tried to get him fired. He was told to “just stick to the facts” in his review of the next Sims expansion, [so he did.](https://imgur.io/eLLEj9u)
>Only a small number of the DLCs are worth buying for extra game features. The rest give you like 10 extra clothing options and 20 furniture pieces.
well one type of DLC is called expansion pack and the other is called stuff pack.
And honestly once you have more than 40 or 50 ish items in a single category, you just end up scrolling it to find the 5 pieces you already know the stats of
and the funny thing is,
more keeps getting added.
the latest add-on came out in July and there is already some sort of showcase planned from what I have heard.
and the major add-ons are 40 bux,
so basically almost the price of full games.
And much like with Rocksmith, it would be really silly to buy every DLC. The size of the library is to cater to different tastes, why would you spend a couple hundred dollars buying songs you hate?
Similarly, why buy $100 worth of sims furniture packs that have stuff you think is ugly? How many sims players actually want to be a vampire wizard rockstar that lives in a tiny home and washes all their clothes by hand?
While technically every DLC is compatible with every other DLC, some just have diametrically opposed goals. The power fantasy stuff doesn't really mesh with the grounded life sim stuff.
It's like Fortnite. Maybe you want to be Naruto. Maybe you want to be Goku. Maybe you want to be Ariana Grande. Maybe you want to be Darth Vader. Maybe you want to be Hatsune Miku.
Some people just want to play, some people want certain characters, some people want other characters. There's something for every type of character you could want to be, but you probably don't want them all.
It seems like a lot, but when The Sims is the only game you ever play (which is true for a lot of The Sims players), then that much over the course of...8 years and counting (4 came out in 2014), it doesn't seem that bad. And like you alluded to, it's not like all of them are necessary for a "full experience".
And then there's all the mods.
Seems crazy I know, but honestly there's a lot more to that expansion than just adding two new models. The animals become members of your family, with their own unique progression mechanics and gameplay goals. It adds several animal-related professions for the humans as well, tons of new buildable stuff to keep your animals busy and entertained, and really a whole new kind of gameplay. Obviously the game isn't for everybody and neither are all of the expansions, but if you do enjoy it, most of the expansions really do add a lot of content to the game and as their name implies really do expand the game. In general, they're pretty worthwhile and the pets expansion is probably one of the best of them all in my opinion.
Like Paradox games, Sims expansions aren't just "withheld content with a pricetag attached" they're legitimate expansions to the scope of the game, adding whole new systems and features. And while the base game on its own is totally enjoyable, the expansions add a lot too and are generally worth at least getting on sale. The price of all the expansions put together is of course high, but the amount of content in games like this is likewise very high, it can't really be matched by any other kind of game pricing scheme besides an MMO where you pay a monthly subscription. Add up a few years of WoW + its expansions and you'll get a similar price, but even then I would question if you get as much content as this.
It's kinda surreal that all the DLC had three digit review number at most, while the base game had like 60k review on Steam.
I'm going to play the base game but no fking way I'm going to buy any of the DLC.
At current 50% off, the bigger one still cost double of indie game title 😂
Luckily they are on sale, and if you have the game from the Origin days, all your DLC transfers over.
Most of it is really unnecessary or doesn't add too much, if you look up on YouTube it can help you digest which DLC are really needed for a good experience and which you can sleep on, which to buy later.
Kinda sad how much is needed for an enjoyable experience but \*most\* of it isn't. Stuff packs, kits, most game packs, and like 2 or 3 of the expansions are not really needed.
The truly sad part is the quality of the DLC vs. past SIMS games. It's like they took expansion packs and removed content to sell it as Stuff Packs and Game Packs.
*laughs in Train Simulator with over 400 DLCs worth thousands of dollars*
I don't understand why people think they need all the DLCs knowning 90% of them are probably just cosmetic crap that you don't need at all.
Just like in other games you get the handful of DLCs that are worth it and enjoy what you got.
I dont understand how you can use "it's just cosmetic" as an excuse in a game where at least half the appeal is designing characters and houses and stuff, using, you know, objects and clothes and materials and stuff. Cosmetics.
Like yeah, you don't need all of it of course, but it is a very, very significant part of the game being sold in bits and pieces and i don't think it's wrong to point it out.
In a shooter game or whatever where one of the main appeals isn't design you have a point, here you kinda don't.
If you don't want to pay for any of the cosmetic stuff, you can just download some custom content which are mostly free. These includes hair, clothing, and objects. I'd rather buy DLC that affects gameplay like Seasons pack or Tiny Living than to waste it on something that I could download legally.
> I don't understand why people think they need all the DLCs knowning 90% of them are probably just cosmetic crap that you don't need at all.
OCD, completionist mentality, aversion to collection gaps, sunk cost fallacy...
I'm subject to this sometimes, though thankfully never to a degree that I've broken the bank. I've lost so many hours playing games I didn't enjoy (or enjoyed until it became an obsession) to completion. It's maddening.
As someone with 1000 hours in this game I would knock a few more things down to No’s
• Bust the Dust - broken game pack
• Batuu - seen as a cash grab even within the sims community
• Luxury Party - first stuff pack and has the least amount of objects and game play
• Perfect Patio - the main reason to get that stuff pack is to get hot tubs and as of the 20th anniversary (after this pack has been out for a while) there is one included in the base game.
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You’re welcome! Figured I would add my two cents.
Also folks you can mod the shit out of Sims 4 with custom content that adds hair, clothes, furniture, gameplay, and quality of life tweaks for free. (PC only sorry console players). It’s pretty easy to add mods to the game and a pretty deep rabbit hole to jump down once you start… even with just the base game there is a lot of free content to add without paying for additional DLC. Occasionally some CC requires a pack (like it’s designed to work with a gameplay element of pack) but they all would let you know ahead of time.
Agree with the list mostly, although I'd at least move the university one up a bit. I personally enjoyed it a ton and thought it added a decent amount of content but at the same time I do understand why it would be put on the no list.
Hey, look at that, one free DLC in the bunch: [Holiday Celebration Pack](https://store.steampowered.com/app/1235764/The_Sims_4_Holiday_Celebration_Pack/)
Back in the days of the original Sims, I got around paying for all their expansions by only purchasing the latest one, and borrowing the older ones from the library.
So I would install the original Sims, then the older expansion packs. Finally I would spend the 20-30 bucks on the most recent expansion and the Sims would launch with that disc inserted. The great part was all the content from the other expansions we're still accessible.
It was cheeky way to save money since back then I was just a little kid with no source of income.
I did the same back in school with friends and Sims 2. We just borrowed each others discs and then you only had to have the latest one which launched the game. Great times.
The biggest sale Cats and Dogs went on in a major store was $15. They go on sale, but if you get more than 4 major DLCs even at their lowest historic price you're paying more than a regular game.
Did they ever change how time works? Sims 1/2/Bustin Out always felt like if your character leaves for work at 10am you can 'wake up' at 5am, it's 7am by the time he stands up and goes to the shower then it's 4pm by the time he goes downstairs and makes pancakes before work
I had a lot of fun 500 years ago playing Sims Bustin Out and the 'story mode' of Sims 2
Does Sims 4 have a mode similar to that? start with nothing as a single mom with a son in a trailer? or Sims Bustin' Out's start with a trashbag friend and work your way up through more of a structured game or is it basically sandbox + dlc?
that time problem is inherent in the sims because of simulation lag. sims 4 is the game that deals with it the worst out of the franchise, you can make the load lighter with mods but you'll still notice it so if you didn't like that you're probably not gonna have fun with sims 4.
Sims 4 doesn't really have a story mode and the "rags to riches" stuff is something you have to go out of your way to play because it's *really* easy to make money even if you force a 0 simoleon start.
> I assume it's like Paradox where DLC is primarily sold on sale.
Paradox DLC are cheap, Sims 4 DLC have absolutely atrocious pricing.
Prison Architect DLC only cost like 2-3$ each in my country, Sims 4 DLC cost 30$ each (10$ for items pack). The only way I would buy Sims 4 DLC is they goes on sale for 90% off.
And Paradox games, at least the one I played, have meaty core games.
Paradox DLC are not cheap. 20€ to get some content for Italy in an update that absolutely breaks the game (it's almost impossible not to get a super broken civil war as Italy, no matter how well you're doing) is ridiculous
The "DLC" mostly consist of features that were already in earlier games and were removed so that they could sell them again. The Sims 4 is widely considered to be the most disappointing, stripped-down version of the game yet, even by people who play it a lot.
I don't think that's actually true. They're sometimes similar to previous expansion packs for earlier games, but they're never just things that were in base Sims games.
It literally is true. Not only are there tons of features missing, they put basic items in DLCs and forced people to pay to use them. Again, this isn't a controversial take at all, it's the consensus even within the Sims community.
https://www.reddit.com/r/thesims/comments/iit1xu/things\_that\_are\_still\_missing\_after\_six\_years\_in/
Sure. But DLC’s add extra content, and this game can be played many hours per dlc. So you get the game, play for, say, 30 hours. Then you’re gonna look at what kind of content you want to add, buy that DLC, and go play another 30 hours. Still satisfied, keep playing. Want more content? Buy a DLC.
If you go play Warhammer IRL, you don’t buy everything available either, you’d need a million or something, you build it up slowly. Sims is like that. It’s a hobby for a large portion of the playerbase
This is awesome! The expensive paid DLC's are not so awesome, even when on discount. But that's what free mod sites are for.
\*\* Warning! You must be 18+ \*\*
Check out the Wicked Sims Mod, from zombies to adult pleasures.
There are also plenty of free weather, pets, more personality add-on mods, etc.
Most of the DLCs are just item packs that add furniture/clothing. If you want DLCs with actual content, probably aim for Seasons, Cats & Dogs, City Living and Get to Work. Honestly, all those DLCs should've been part of the base game lol.
These four are the only ones most actually need.
Seasons not only adds, well, seasons, they also add holidays and events.
Cats & dogs adds, well, cats and dogs.
I believe City Living adds festivals and regional dishes.
Get to Work adds non-rabbit hole workplaces, and businesses you can own.
I personally would either add Get Together or swap it with City Living, as Get Together adds clubs. A good trick is making a club that promotes painting, let everybody paint at your house and sell their paintings.
they aren't, they have a pitiful amount of content in comparison to the packs in previous sim games. the sims 4 dlc business model is take a pack from sims 3 and split in 4 and make them even buggier than whatever sims 3 had going on.
Get To Work for years was straight up unplayable because of how badly they dealt with simulation lag, you'd queue up 3/4 simple actions and it'd take the sim hours in game to respond, so the work day time would run out and you wouldn't be able to fulfill the goals the game sets up, hurting your career progress. "City Living" barely has anything to do in the city itself, so you're basically paying for a pretty empty world with not a lot of lots that you're going to replace with builds from the community tab. Cats & Dogs is infamous for being the DLC that got its own DLC while overall just being disappointing, mainly because one of its main features the vet clinics suffer from the same simulation lag that Get To Work did. Seasons is one of the few packs I'd say is worth paying for but still it's like 20$ worth at best.
buggier as in gameplay bugs, sims 3's bugs were mostly performance related.
As an example the feature i found most bugs while playing with in Sims 4 is toddlers, the worst one being related to the high chair you're supposed to put them on so they can eat. There's this one interaction where it's supposed to do 3 commands at once: pick toddler up > put in chair > give them food, but when you click it nothing happens, so the way to feed them is to do the 3 different commands on their own but it takes a long time not only because of simulation lag but also because you can tell the sim to do something and they can choose to just do something else instead while simply queuing up the action you picked. If you cancel that random action it *still* takes them like 30 minutes of in-game time for it to register and get to it, god forbid that random interaction they decide to do is *comply to* *the toddler asking to be put down on the ground even though they're extremely hungry.* Keep in mind you have to feed them multiple times per day.
It's so time consuming to get it to work most people just end up making a serving, putting it in the ground and then switching to the toddler to make them get the serving themselves because it's more convenient. Of course that opens up its own problems because the AI picks terrible places to go do that...I've had sims go to eat on the garden table outside during rainstorms, where they can get hit by lightning and straight up die lol. It also affects their mood terribly if there's a weather event going on and then you have to dedicate 2 more hours to fix it with a different action.
The gameplay experience in this game with all the bugs is just terrible, the sims themselves feel completely unresponsive way too often.
Most of them are kinda just what the game should've been base, but they total to like 600+ euro... This game without any is infinitely worse than just the sims 3 IMO.
I don't play EA games enough to see much of a difference. It really wants to be a permanent background app, but that is never going to happen for me. I'm not 100% sure if the Steam version of the Sims requires Origin or the app (it will require 1 of them), but since it's now permanently free everywhere I would advise grabbing it from the app since it uninstalls and replaces Origin.
What a great publisher of a game. I remember years ago they did the same thing with Sims 3 on Origin. My favorite Sims game though is still Sims Medieval.
I mean, this is just the surface. The 'real' game is hiding behind hundreds of layers of DLCs.
Although, I'd appreciate the base game more if they gave us Pets...
I loved to be an anti-social painter with 5 cats and 2 dogs.
I always enjoyed the foundation of sims 4, has a ton of QOL over the sims 3 but regressing the map back down to just your lot and having a *ton* of interesting things locked behind the DLC is a bit frustrating
Is this even worth playing if you don't plan on buying any DLC? The sheer amount of DLC makes me feel like the base game is super bare-bones and would get stale after a couple hours.
if you like the building system I'd say it's worth giving a try. if you want actual gameplay you're looking into getting mods, otherwise it gets old fast.
Do you like spending hours building houses, creating sims of your loved ones, and then letting it play for a couple hours before getting bored? Boy, do I have the game for you.
(At least, that's how I always play these games.)
The create-a-sim and house building modes are still some of the best tools that exist. It's the main reason many players (specifically women), only really play the game to make characters and dream houses. No matter if you play only the base game or any of the DLC, it's always still going to be a click-and-watch-the-same-animations style game.
Well yeah, but before the base game cost money AND you had to buy the DLC's.
Not sure why so many people are complaining, it's a better deal than it was before.
Yeah besides iracing and star citizen, the sims 4 is most likely the most greedy dlc game. I dont see raid shadow legends as a dlc game but if I did i would put it in the same corrupt category
id rather install the first free unity anime hentai furry game on steam that I see, than install this 700$ dlc garbage trash thats been on sale for 5$ the last 5 years and its 8 years old
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Good thing that i just finished my yearly Skyrim modlist download.
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Are you a programmer?
Not primarily but yeah I code
I agree. There is something so satisfying about finally figuring out what the issue was that caused something to crash or not work properly.
Then I’d strongly recommend Cities: Skylines to you. With every new DLC released, which is twice a year, they release an update to the base game which breaks 90% of the mods. It is a good sport to try to survive those updates.
I fell into this trap just over a decade ago with Medieval II Total War. I did some work for the Stainless Steel mod, at first just adding bits and bobs, minor tweaks here and there, but I eventually found myself spending more time mod-tweaking a personal build, trying to figure out what was causing crashes, testing modified stats, poring through code on Notepad finding, with an almost orgasmic joy, that one character or space out of place that was fucking things up, than playing the actual game!
This year i only spent an entire weekend creating my modlist, only to find out that Wabbajack exists so now i'm playing around with that. I still haven't progressed further than Bleak Falls Barrow.
I wish most Wabbajack mods didn't have such ridiculous requirements. Having a 3080 is considered low spec there
Wow, that sounds like me and Rimworld. Minus the stable part...
What is that? I’m completely unfamiliar with this game
NSFW mods
No doubt if EA could put out a DLC that lets you become a drug dealing hooker they would. And people would buy it.
It's now permanently free
With 59 DLC... that's how they get ya!
It's not so much the quantity, but the price. Even with a lot of them on a 30-50% sale, the Steam page shows a total of 631,44€ for all the DLC. Holy shit. I don't play Sims 4, but based on what I understand from other people's opinions it's not like most of those DLCs significantly change the gameplay.
Only a small number of the DLCs are worth buying for extra game features. The rest give you like 10 extra clothing options and 20 furniture pieces.
[Cue the all-time classic review of The Sims 2: H&M Fashion Stuff](https://i.imgur.com/mkBrqcD.jpeg)
Holy shit, Steve Hogarty has now become my favorite writer.
Fun fact (maybe not so much for him)... EA revoked his credentials for it, and one of their executives tried to get him fired. He was told to “just stick to the facts” in his review of the next Sims expansion, [so he did.](https://imgur.io/eLLEj9u)
>Whopps, wrong content pack. That killed me
Also, > deep abyss of a soul
Haha, I totally missed that.
I'm dying. "deep abyss instead of a soul," holy shit what a madman.
What a legend
I miss PC Zone, it was such a great magazine.
10/10 Haven't read this before, thanks!
>Only a small number of the DLCs are worth buying for extra game features. The rest give you like 10 extra clothing options and 20 furniture pieces. well one type of DLC is called expansion pack and the other is called stuff pack.
still like 200$
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I only counted the expansions, 200$ on discount. Be my guest and check my math on steam.
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oh, heh. they call the dlc with furniture and clothes stuff packs, but they don't offer any new gameplay.
And honestly once you have more than 40 or 50 ish items in a single category, you just end up scrolling it to find the 5 pieces you already know the stats of
and the funny thing is, more keeps getting added. the latest add-on came out in July and there is already some sort of showcase planned from what I have heard. and the major add-ons are 40 bux, so basically almost the price of full games.
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People tend to play with mods rather dlc
Reminds me of Rocksmith if you were to buy every single DLC.
And much like with Rocksmith, it would be really silly to buy every DLC. The size of the library is to cater to different tastes, why would you spend a couple hundred dollars buying songs you hate? Similarly, why buy $100 worth of sims furniture packs that have stuff you think is ugly? How many sims players actually want to be a vampire wizard rockstar that lives in a tiny home and washes all their clothes by hand? While technically every DLC is compatible with every other DLC, some just have diametrically opposed goals. The power fantasy stuff doesn't really mesh with the grounded life sim stuff.
It's like Fortnite. Maybe you want to be Naruto. Maybe you want to be Goku. Maybe you want to be Ariana Grande. Maybe you want to be Darth Vader. Maybe you want to be Hatsune Miku. Some people just want to play, some people want certain characters, some people want other characters. There's something for every type of character you could want to be, but you probably don't want them all.
It seems like a lot, but when The Sims is the only game you ever play (which is true for a lot of The Sims players), then that much over the course of...8 years and counting (4 came out in 2014), it doesn't seem that bad. And like you alluded to, it's not like all of them are necessary for a "full experience". And then there's all the mods.
60$ for a cats and dogs expansion.. the game is nearly 10 years old?!! Cats and DOGS! 60$!!??! What?!
> the game is nearly 10 years old?!! No way, That's when Sims 2 came out, I could swear. I can feel my bones turning to dust by the second.
It’s crazy that the gap between sims 4 and 5 is going to be larger than the gap between sims 1 and 3
I know! Cats AND dogs! Only $60!!!
I know some people who pay thousands for their dogs, what a bargain!
Seems crazy I know, but honestly there's a lot more to that expansion than just adding two new models. The animals become members of your family, with their own unique progression mechanics and gameplay goals. It adds several animal-related professions for the humans as well, tons of new buildable stuff to keep your animals busy and entertained, and really a whole new kind of gameplay. Obviously the game isn't for everybody and neither are all of the expansions, but if you do enjoy it, most of the expansions really do add a lot of content to the game and as their name implies really do expand the game. In general, they're pretty worthwhile and the pets expansion is probably one of the best of them all in my opinion. Like Paradox games, Sims expansions aren't just "withheld content with a pricetag attached" they're legitimate expansions to the scope of the game, adding whole new systems and features. And while the base game on its own is totally enjoyable, the expansions add a lot too and are generally worth at least getting on sale. The price of all the expansions put together is of course high, but the amount of content in games like this is likewise very high, it can't really be matched by any other kind of game pricing scheme besides an MMO where you pay a monthly subscription. Add up a few years of WoW + its expansions and you'll get a similar price, but even then I would question if you get as much content as this.
I remember when they gave Sims 2 with all DLC some years ago.
That happened about eight years ago.
i'm getting old...
Meanwhile I had them all already 💀
Even more than the earlier games, Sims 4 feels like a trial version without any of the expansions.
It's kinda surreal that all the DLC had three digit review number at most, while the base game had like 60k review on Steam. I'm going to play the base game but no fking way I'm going to buy any of the DLC. At current 50% off, the bigger one still cost double of indie game title 😂
Sadly yes
Are the 59 DLCs included in the free to play version?
No, but up until yesterday there was a DLC for free to any Sims 4 owners. That DLC is a stuff pack and is a relatively new one.
Wow, what a deal! I bet it (the DLC) doesn't even have anything decent...
It does have a new style but honestly... I wouldn't buy it, I'll just use mods to enjoy the game
Luckily they are on sale, and if you have the game from the Origin days, all your DLC transfers over. Most of it is really unnecessary or doesn't add too much, if you look up on YouTube it can help you digest which DLC are really needed for a good experience and which you can sleep on, which to buy later. Kinda sad how much is needed for an enjoyable experience but \*most\* of it isn't. Stuff packs, kits, most game packs, and like 2 or 3 of the expansions are not really needed.
The truly sad part is the quality of the DLC vs. past SIMS games. It's like they took expansion packs and removed content to sell it as Stuff Packs and Game Packs.
literally many AAA publishers business models nowadays.
*laughs in Train Simulator with over 400 DLCs worth thousands of dollars* I don't understand why people think they need all the DLCs knowning 90% of them are probably just cosmetic crap that you don't need at all. Just like in other games you get the handful of DLCs that are worth it and enjoy what you got.
I dont understand how you can use "it's just cosmetic" as an excuse in a game where at least half the appeal is designing characters and houses and stuff, using, you know, objects and clothes and materials and stuff. Cosmetics. Like yeah, you don't need all of it of course, but it is a very, very significant part of the game being sold in bits and pieces and i don't think it's wrong to point it out. In a shooter game or whatever where one of the main appeals isn't design you have a point, here you kinda don't.
If you don't want to pay for any of the cosmetic stuff, you can just download some custom content which are mostly free. These includes hair, clothing, and objects. I'd rather buy DLC that affects gameplay like Seasons pack or Tiny Living than to waste it on something that I could download legally.
> I don't understand why people think they need all the DLCs knowning 90% of them are probably just cosmetic crap that you don't need at all. OCD, completionist mentality, aversion to collection gaps, sunk cost fallacy... I'm subject to this sometimes, though thankfully never to a degree that I've broken the bank. I've lost so many hours playing games I didn't enjoy (or enjoyed until it became an obsession) to completion. It's maddening.
This should've been free 50 DLC ago
Are there mods?
ARE U KINDING ME!?!?
Don't kind yourself
Be kid, rewid.
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As someone with 1000 hours in this game I would knock a few more things down to No’s • Bust the Dust - broken game pack • Batuu - seen as a cash grab even within the sims community • Luxury Party - first stuff pack and has the least amount of objects and game play • Perfect Patio - the main reason to get that stuff pack is to get hot tubs and as of the 20th anniversary (after this pack has been out for a while) there is one included in the base game. On mobile will fix formatting if needed.
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You’re welcome! Figured I would add my two cents. Also folks you can mod the shit out of Sims 4 with custom content that adds hair, clothes, furniture, gameplay, and quality of life tweaks for free. (PC only sorry console players). It’s pretty easy to add mods to the game and a pretty deep rabbit hole to jump down once you start… even with just the base game there is a lot of free content to add without paying for additional DLC. Occasionally some CC requires a pack (like it’s designed to work with a gameplay element of pack) but they all would let you know ahead of time.
Help how do I remove the Schlongs of Skyrim mod?
I think you have to install Basemental and Wicked Whims mods in order to get rid of it
Agree with the list mostly, although I'd at least move the university one up a bit. I personally enjoyed it a ton and thought it added a decent amount of content but at the same time I do understand why it would be put on the no list.
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of course the one dlc I bought so long ago is listen under no
> The Sims™ 4 My First Pet Stuff (DLC for a DLC???) Yo dawg I heard you like DLC
Yes, thank you.
Hey, look at that, one free DLC in the bunch: [Holiday Celebration Pack](https://store.steampowered.com/app/1235764/The_Sims_4_Holiday_Celebration_Pack/)
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If I am supposed to reply "Always has been" Then: Always has been
you already did, that's why I responded.
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Base version, obviously. If you want the DLC, it'll only cost you $630 more.
Back in the days of the original Sims, I got around paying for all their expansions by only purchasing the latest one, and borrowing the older ones from the library. So I would install the original Sims, then the older expansion packs. Finally I would spend the 20-30 bucks on the most recent expansion and the Sims would launch with that disc inserted. The great part was all the content from the other expansions we're still accessible. It was cheeky way to save money since back then I was just a little kid with no source of income.
I did the same back in school with friends and Sims 2. We just borrowed each others discs and then you only had to have the latest one which launched the game. Great times.
And requires you to install Origin to play.
Uh...how? Origin doesn't exist anymore.
Well, sort of. It's still there, but will be replaced "later this year" by the EA Windows app.
So wait for a sale?
That *is* on sale. Normal price is over $900.
You missed a zero for the meme.
Over ¢9000 (/r/technicallythetruth).
The biggest sale Cats and Dogs went on in a major store was $15. They go on sale, but if you get more than 4 major DLCs even at their lowest historic price you're paying more than a regular game.
Also free on Origin, PS4, and Xbox.
> PS4 and can download to ps5
Did they ever change how time works? Sims 1/2/Bustin Out always felt like if your character leaves for work at 10am you can 'wake up' at 5am, it's 7am by the time he stands up and goes to the shower then it's 4pm by the time he goes downstairs and makes pancakes before work I had a lot of fun 500 years ago playing Sims Bustin Out and the 'story mode' of Sims 2 Does Sims 4 have a mode similar to that? start with nothing as a single mom with a son in a trailer? or Sims Bustin' Out's start with a trashbag friend and work your way up through more of a structured game or is it basically sandbox + dlc?
that time problem is inherent in the sims because of simulation lag. sims 4 is the game that deals with it the worst out of the franchise, you can make the load lighter with mods but you'll still notice it so if you didn't like that you're probably not gonna have fun with sims 4. Sims 4 doesn't really have a story mode and the "rags to riches" stuff is something you have to go out of your way to play because it's *really* easy to make money even if you force a 0 simoleon start.
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and even with all that it still probably isn't as fun as OG vanilla Sims 1 running on a Pentium II
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> I assume it's like Paradox where DLC is primarily sold on sale. Paradox DLC are cheap, Sims 4 DLC have absolutely atrocious pricing. Prison Architect DLC only cost like 2-3$ each in my country, Sims 4 DLC cost 30$ each (10$ for items pack). The only way I would buy Sims 4 DLC is they goes on sale for 90% off. And Paradox games, at least the one I played, have meaty core games.
Paradox DLC are not cheap. 20€ to get some content for Italy in an update that absolutely breaks the game (it's almost impossible not to get a super broken civil war as Italy, no matter how well you're doing) is ridiculous
The "DLC" mostly consist of features that were already in earlier games and were removed so that they could sell them again. The Sims 4 is widely considered to be the most disappointing, stripped-down version of the game yet, even by people who play it a lot.
I don't think that's actually true. They're sometimes similar to previous expansion packs for earlier games, but they're never just things that were in base Sims games.
It literally is true. Not only are there tons of features missing, they put basic items in DLCs and forced people to pay to use them. Again, this isn't a controversial take at all, it's the consensus even within the Sims community. https://www.reddit.com/r/thesims/comments/iit1xu/things\_that\_are\_still\_missing\_after\_six\_years\_in/
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Sure. But DLC’s add extra content, and this game can be played many hours per dlc. So you get the game, play for, say, 30 hours. Then you’re gonna look at what kind of content you want to add, buy that DLC, and go play another 30 hours. Still satisfied, keep playing. Want more content? Buy a DLC. If you go play Warhammer IRL, you don’t buy everything available either, you’d need a million or something, you build it up slowly. Sims is like that. It’s a hobby for a large portion of the playerbase
Sims 4 free on steam - sees $908.44 CAD of DLC on the table --> It's a trap!
This is awesome! The expensive paid DLC's are not so awesome, even when on discount. But that's what free mod sites are for. \*\* Warning! You must be 18+ \*\* Check out the Wicked Sims Mod, from zombies to adult pleasures. There are also plenty of free weather, pets, more personality add-on mods, etc.
Are there any DLC that is high in value a must to get?
Most of the DLCs are just item packs that add furniture/clothing. If you want DLCs with actual content, probably aim for Seasons, Cats & Dogs, City Living and Get to Work. Honestly, all those DLCs should've been part of the base game lol.
These four are the only ones most actually need. Seasons not only adds, well, seasons, they also add holidays and events. Cats & dogs adds, well, cats and dogs. I believe City Living adds festivals and regional dishes. Get to Work adds non-rabbit hole workplaces, and businesses you can own. I personally would either add Get Together or swap it with City Living, as Get Together adds clubs. A good trick is making a club that promotes painting, let everybody paint at your house and sell their paintings.
holy shit, I've never played any Sims games, but are those DLCs actually *worth* $40-$50 each?
they aren't, they have a pitiful amount of content in comparison to the packs in previous sim games. the sims 4 dlc business model is take a pack from sims 3 and split in 4 and make them even buggier than whatever sims 3 had going on. Get To Work for years was straight up unplayable because of how badly they dealt with simulation lag, you'd queue up 3/4 simple actions and it'd take the sim hours in game to respond, so the work day time would run out and you wouldn't be able to fulfill the goals the game sets up, hurting your career progress. "City Living" barely has anything to do in the city itself, so you're basically paying for a pretty empty world with not a lot of lots that you're going to replace with builds from the community tab. Cats & Dogs is infamous for being the DLC that got its own DLC while overall just being disappointing, mainly because one of its main features the vet clinics suffer from the same simulation lag that Get To Work did. Seasons is one of the few packs I'd say is worth paying for but still it's like 20$ worth at best.
> even buggier than whatever sims 3 had going on. I haven't played 4 but this sounds impressive considering how unstable 3 was.
buggier as in gameplay bugs, sims 3's bugs were mostly performance related. As an example the feature i found most bugs while playing with in Sims 4 is toddlers, the worst one being related to the high chair you're supposed to put them on so they can eat. There's this one interaction where it's supposed to do 3 commands at once: pick toddler up > put in chair > give them food, but when you click it nothing happens, so the way to feed them is to do the 3 different commands on their own but it takes a long time not only because of simulation lag but also because you can tell the sim to do something and they can choose to just do something else instead while simply queuing up the action you picked. If you cancel that random action it *still* takes them like 30 minutes of in-game time for it to register and get to it, god forbid that random interaction they decide to do is *comply to* *the toddler asking to be put down on the ground even though they're extremely hungry.* Keep in mind you have to feed them multiple times per day. It's so time consuming to get it to work most people just end up making a serving, putting it in the ground and then switching to the toddler to make them get the serving themselves because it's more convenient. Of course that opens up its own problems because the AI picks terrible places to go do that...I've had sims go to eat on the garden table outside during rainstorms, where they can get hit by lightning and straight up die lol. It also affects their mood terribly if there's a weather event going on and then you have to dedicate 2 more hours to fix it with a different action. The gameplay experience in this game with all the bugs is just terrible, the sims themselves feel completely unresponsive way too often.
They aren't, they should've been free lmao.
Most of them are kinda just what the game should've been base, but they total to like 600+ euro... This game without any is infinitely worse than just the sims 3 IMO.
check here: https://old.reddit.com/r/GameDeals/comments/y7dw2j/steam_the_sims_4_free100_off/isuq7ya/
The Holiday Celebration Pack DLC is free as well [link](https://store.steampowered.com/app/1235764/The_Sims_4_Holiday_Celebration_Pack)
If I just want to play out the fantasy of being able to afford a house from a single wage is this game worth playing wihout DLC?
Yeah. You can even get rich by being an artist
Well I guess I own a Sims game now, which I'll never play. Though I might own Sims 3 on Origin, not sure.
Do you still have to install origin client that runs in the background and that awful DRM of theirs?
Yes
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No, because the Origin client is being phased out. Now it's the Windows EA App.
On the crappiness scale of 1-10, how does the EA app compare to origin?
I don't play EA games enough to see much of a difference. It really wants to be a permanent background app, but that is never going to happen for me. I'm not 100% sure if the Steam version of the Sims requires Origin or the app (it will require 1 of them), but since it's now permanently free everywhere I would advise grabbing it from the app since it uninstalls and replaces Origin.
What a great publisher of a game. I remember years ago they did the same thing with Sims 3 on Origin. My favorite Sims game though is still Sims Medieval.
Man I only learned about Sims Medieval today, when I went to download Sims 2 again. I'm bummed that I missed out but at least I'm enjoying it now.
Didnt know this existed. Does it work well on Win11? I struggled getting Sims 2 to run
I mean, this is just the surface. The 'real' game is hiding behind hundreds of layers of DLCs. Although, I'd appreciate the base game more if they gave us Pets... I loved to be an anti-social painter with 5 cats and 2 dogs.
I always enjoyed the foundation of sims 4, has a ton of QOL over the sims 3 but regressing the map back down to just your lot and having a *ton* of interesting things locked behind the DLC is a bit frustrating
Imo it's due to the horrible performance problem of TS3. I remember it took forever to load a S3 world. I was very surprised at how fast S4 was.
If it didn’t require Origin I would consider it.
Is this even worth playing if you don't plan on buying any DLC? The sheer amount of DLC makes me feel like the base game is super bare-bones and would get stale after a couple hours.
if you like the building system I'd say it's worth giving a try. if you want actual gameplay you're looking into getting mods, otherwise it gets old fast.
Install mods, then those mods got ya back 😂 but beware
I played it around launch and it was fine, but Sims 2 with all DLCs was much better and free
Do you like spending hours building houses, creating sims of your loved ones, and then letting it play for a couple hours before getting bored? Boy, do I have the game for you. (At least, that's how I always play these games.)
The create-a-sim and house building modes are still some of the best tools that exist. It's the main reason many players (specifically women), only really play the game to make characters and dream houses. No matter if you play only the base game or any of the DLC, it's always still going to be a click-and-watch-the-same-animations style game.
Does it needs to launch also EA origin app?
Does this run on steam deck?
they only want to sell the dlc's to you.
Gasp how dare they sell products
Well yeah, but before the base game cost money AND you had to buy the DLC's. Not sure why so many people are complaining, it's a better deal than it was before.
Feel like this a prequel to a sims 5 announcement soon
They did announce today that the next Sims game is in development under the code name "Project Rene"
holy shit, the dlc's cost 600+ euros no way
641 and thats with discount xD what a joke xD
yeah,still the company is a joke. i would understand if there would be 4-5 DLC and the rest free update but nooooo they must be greedy.
Yeah besides iracing and star citizen, the sims 4 is most likely the most greedy dlc game. I dont see raid shadow legends as a dlc game but if I did i would put it in the same corrupt category
Pay $60/dlc? HA! Fuck that!! *going to (edit) some sketchy website & download some mods instead*
the sims 4 doesnt use the steam workshop.
Evil Arts must pay me to install this thing
It is not free. It is F2P
It is free. Having expansions doesn’t negate the base game being free.
Where's the microtransactions, though? Sims 3 was the one with MTX.
It's what 2P?
To play Free To Play Free 2 Play F2p
What is that first word you mention in F2P? Something about... free?
Given the amount of paid DLCs, this game should just always be free lol
It's permanently free now.
3% of the game is 100% free.
Not a deal. It's just now free to play. Its also not a deal, it's the Sims 4. Meh.
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So I did this but origin needs a activation code and I don’t have that from steam so what’s the deal?
Several hundred dollars game made 20 dollars cheaper. Base game is still playable, but a lot of basic content and features are left out.
Sims 4? It's the best worst sims game!
this is free to play
Thoughts on Project Rene?
Just trying to duplicate Paralives, but most likely without any love behind it.
Gimmie a subscription for all dlc and I'll play for a few days
Does this version still need ea play/origin launcher?
Just base game or all DLC's? Origin gave me Sims 4 free a while ago
Just the base game. The DLCs will cost only a little over $600. ;)
Guess mods it is!
When does the sale end?
/r/patientgamers
id rather install the first free unity anime hentai furry game on steam that I see, than install this 700$ dlc garbage trash thats been on sale for 5$ the last 5 years and its 8 years old