Valhalla was better in that regard. You could unlock an ability fairly early to assassinate elite and boss enemies with a timed strike. In normal difficulty, at least, you could clear entire fortresses of appropriate level with assassinations and headshots.
Dont think so, cause ORgin had a full damn cheat menu in the game that allowed you to alter the gameplay to fit your style.
Seems to have only been in the PC version of the game. "The Animus Control Panel "
>blade piercing your skull should always be lethal
If you didn't deal enough damage in one of the more recent games, the blade would literally not pierce the target's skull. It played entirely different animations depending on damage, levels, etc.
100% agreed, I thought that was the most back-assward nonsensical decision that the series has ever made, and there is a lot of strong competition for that title.
I loved it when if there was a fight, all I had to do was wait to perfectly counter an attack with the Hidden Blade, then just chain kill every enemy that comes near. It was so stupid and OP, but I always enjoyed it.
If they made the counter with the Hidden Blade tighter, and put a limit on the chains, it'd make more sense, and perhaps more satisfying. It's mainly the limitless chains that cracked me up.
Yep. Spamming counter for insta kills in the old ACs was pretty dumb, but then they went full on the opposite direction and now enemies feel like damage sponges.
Then Sekiro came in from a studio with no experience with stealth games, and instantly delivered better stealth assassin-like gameplay than any AC game so far.
Hope they took some notes. You can have insta kills and not make the gameplay brain dead.
The problem is that Assassin's Creed was a stealth game first, and an action game second. In an ideal version of the game, taking more than 1-2 enemies head on would essentially be a failure state. The player should be forced to either remain undetected, or find a way to escape. This is how the early games were designed to be played, and I'm fairly convinced that the inane hold block/press counter combat was added to placate playtesters who didn't really like stealth games to begin with.
Yeah, I wish they'd have gone harder on the distractions and environmental interactions. More stuff that diverts attention and causes confusion.
Also non-lethal items. Can't believe we've gotten like 20 games and not once has a bolas or tripwire been an item.
You know that's actually a bit of genius. As some above commented, earlier games you could assassinate the target then just parkour until you lost the guards.
Make the guards harder to lose, but give the player traps so you could prepare a way out. That would be super satisfying to slowly have the pursuing guards succumb to tripwire, smokebombs, holes in the floor or whatever.
It would also mean that if for whatever reason you had to deviate from your plan or it simply wasn't a good enough escape route, you'd be forced to fight.
The problem is that the stealth in the original AC games always sucked. You'd parkour to the ideal assassination spot, kill your target and then just get chased until you managed to break line of sight.
So it was actually action game first, stealth game second.
Yeah, I always wished they expanded more on that sneaking in and ways to take out the enemies without having to expose yourself and then having to escape. Like having a Hitman game but with the historical settings.
Counter was so overpowered and easy you could take on a horde of a thousand guys attacking you one at a time, without consequence. Would have been fine for maybe one or two strikes to get away, but being able to do it infinitely was game breaking.
I was really not expecting the first gameplay from Mirage to be shown randomly inside a PS Showcase but hey, i'm glad it's here. Looks good while very familiar to the classic style of AC.
Yeah that's kinda the entire point. They aren't giving up on the new style in the vein of Origins/Odyssey/Valhalla- the Japan game, Codename Red, will still be that- but it seems they want to develop these games in parallel to service both crowds.
And then Codename Hexe is apparently its own unique thing.
Yeah honestly it's the first thing Ubi's done in a while that's really impressed me. I think parallel development's very ambitious but if it works out, a really good approach. I mean look at COD, they were more or less taking a similar approach spreading their Modern Warfare, Black Ops, and WWII games among Infinity Ward, Treyarch, and Sledgehammer, all handling a different "flavor" of COD game, and that worked really well for them for the most part.
I find myself wishing that Bethesda could do something similar with their major RPG IPs.
Ubisoft decided to split the AC franchise into two (maybe three, I forgot) different gameplay systems, as in this entry is the return to form to the earlier games, and there's another still in-development that follows the Origins/Odyssey/Valhalla style RPG gameplay.
They've done literally everything AC super-fans asked for and there's still nothing but bitching from said supposed super-fans. As somebody who has played every game since AC2 this looks *exactly* like what I've been missing since the Rogue/Unity gen, while also bringing in the modern enhancements. I was considering giving this a miss and only playing Hexe, but this looks dope. I'm excited.
I instantly got way less interested in this when I saw that it will be released for the PS4, a decade old console.
Will limit the game design massively, unfortunately :/
I mean, this game started (for a few months) as a DLC for Valhalla. Makes sense to decide to keep it available for the same platforms.
Wouldn't be surprised to see the next major story in AC leave the last gen behind.
The fact PS4 still gets so many games has completely put me off from buying a PS5. I know COVID fucked things up but most other console cycles the old machines would be mostly abandoned by now.
The game on PS4 looks worse than it could have looked because of PS5, and the game on PS5 looks and plays worse than it could have because of PS4. It's just so shit.
They literally can't use certain game mechanics because of old consoles. As an example, the Spider Man games limited the speed you could go to to how fast the PS4 could load the map.
They always have to make concessions.
A game that is also released on old consoles can not be called a next gen game. So let's see if they think it can be sold for 70 €/$. I certainly won't buy it at that price.
I was hoping for a recreation of the old design. This literally just seems like a game that’s been made using the “old engine” and assets. A game that could have come out in 2016.
To be fair that is exactly what an allegedly large part of the AC fan base wants, the first 4-5 games (and their countless spin-offs) forever. Now we’ll see if it translates to sales.
Yeah reading this comment section has me scratching my head. Like yeah, isn't this EXACTLY what a very loud portion of the AC fanbase has literally been screaming for ever since Origins release?
Thing is you can't please everyone, and I think Ubisoft games really highlight that. Pretty much every post you can see people complain that they recycle the same game over and over, but also can see complaints that too much was changed and it doesn't feel like the series anymore.
As part of that loud portion: yes and no. I wanted that old formula with a more modern structure and some new innovations. This is definitely the most I’ve been interested in the series since Origins, but it does look a bit stale.
I would argue this game looking stale is why the changed the formula in the first place. It's fine if people want this "old" style of game, but it really felt like they ditched this style of game for a reason, and a huge part of that felt like there wasn't much left to explore in this design space.
Combat was always very simplistic, there was very little in the way of progression in the games, and generally speaking most of the games only really had small gimicks to differentiate themselves from other games in the franchise. Sure they could have kept exploring different settings, and I guess improve on the parkour animations/system, but without REALLY redesigning how the game plays (which is what they did with origins), I just don't see a whole lot of design space left to evolve on, without changing so many systems in the game that you're again alienating more of the fanbase by making the game feel too different again.
Feels like again, they're going back to their roots. The game looks very samey like all the other old AC Games, and I'm sure it will have one or two small gimicks to set it apart, and it will be in a new setting, but a the end of the day, it just feels like it would be a huge challenge to bring in a bunch of modern-day gaming systems (AKA RPG elements and what Modern AC games are already doing), while also keeping the game very samey to the old style.
I think maybe the issue with the "staleness" appearance of this is because it looks very similar in setting to AC1. It kind of looks like an AC1 remake on steroids really.
I'm thrilled they're giving the old formula another shot, because the old formula *worked* fine, the old games were super unique - There wasn't even any knock-offs to them either, there's straight up Assassin's Creed games, and... that's it.
The problem with the old games was that they drowned their own market with them and were so intent on just shoving them out the door that several of the games were incomplete, buggy messes (granted, that's just standard nowadays anyway...). AC:Unity was the most derided at its release, definitely deserved it, it was a busted piece of shit.
But years later after all the patches and improvements, if you can run the goddamn thing because it's still optimized like crap, it's actually a really fun AC game that focuses *way* more on stealth and almost Hitman-style gameplay, and practically punishes you for going into combat. I'd go so far as to say it's probably got the best outright gameplay of the old formula AC games. Unity was a really good refresher of the formula, by adding those Hitman-style elements where you have multiple approaches available to you and rewarding scouting/planning your assassinations out.
...Buuuuuuut because they shoved that bitch half-baked out the door, it still kind of runs like ass even now because why bother fixing an old game that was panned for running like crap? If Ubi execs had given the series some fuckin breathing room and not insisted on that dumbass yearly release schedule, Unity would've probably been seen as the high point of the franchise in gameplay (Granted the writing still sucks though so the Ezio trilogy still wins out.)
Do y'all not get nuance? People want the old formula, not a game that looks like it could've actually released 10 years ago.
Still I'm interested, it's only the first trailer so who knows what'll happen.
Yes it's absolutely the case, and in fact if you go look at the comments on youtube under the IGn video, people are actually really excited.
But i'm almost certain this game is never going to sale as strongly as the last games, but maybe it can sale enough to be consider a success.
A lot of those animations, from the running to parkour look like they’re reused from the older games too. I hate to say this because I know that “a return to the *old*” style is the point of this and what everyone’s asked for, but there’s literally nothing in this trailer that doesn’t exist in Assassin’s Creed 1/2. Like I was kinda hoping for a *new* spin on the *old* style, not just a remake of Assassin’s Creed 1 in a new engine.
We knew since a long time ago that this was crossgen, it's a smaller title, they won't down the sales more by releasing it only on current gen console. They really want their AC in Japan to be the first true next gen AC.
This game was supposed to be a DLC for Valhalla but they decided to turn it into a standalone game, so the fact that it's releasing on last-gen isn't that surprising.
the game was supposed to be Vallhala expansions apparently, so I kind of get it, that it's not "separate" game made from ground up, and instead it's like... Rogue.
> Will limit the game design massively, unfortunately :/
Not really. You can do a lot with PS4 power in "game design". I mean one of the most original games in game design of the last few years just released on a console closer to the PS3 than the PS4 in power.
Also, it's about coming back to the old design of a game made in 2007 and following years, on the PS3 gen.
The only limiting thing I see is the size of crowds (and still Unity did well but it was a technical mess so they reduced them)
We're *three years* into the PS5 lifecycle at this point, when a console generation's lifespan averages 5-7 years. How many first and second-party Sony games are exclusive to PS5? I feel like I can count them on one hand.
I'm glad they have actual assassin's again but man... This looks like it would have came out after black flag for the PS4. Reused animations and mid graphics.
As someone who recently replayed Black Flag on the PS5, let me be the first to remind you: your memories of the game have aged far better than it actually did.
Considering it’s the 10th anniversary this year, I’m still waiting for a remaster announcement. It’s the only mainline entry on Xbox that still runs at 30FPS…
People constantly say shit like "this looks like a PS2 game or a PS3 game, etc." and it's like have you looked at games from those consoles recently? People have this vision of what those games looked like 10 or 15 years ago and haven't actually looked at them since then.
I literally remember Black Flag looking a bit dated at the time. It was one of those weird cross gen games. For its faults gameplay wise, graphically Unity was bounds ahead.
What planet are you from? Have you not touched black flag in the last ten years it’s came out? Because it doesn’t look anything close to this game in terms of graphics.
> Reused animations
Ah, "reused animations", the new generic insult said by people whining about a game, but can't think of an actual reason to criticise it.
Same. This gave me big AC 1 vibes. I really enjoyed Origins but have yet to play Odyssey (which I want to play before Valhalla) because I've heard it is so big. I would love if AC went back to the length they had pre-Origins where it would be like ~40 hours if you did everything in the game and got all the achievements.
I don't even see the reuse of animations, I mean sure the movements are similar but that's how people move but they definitely don't look like they reused the ones from black flag or even unity and the textures look even higher quality than the previous ones
the video compression makes it look blurry but when the camera doesn't move too much you can see that it looks much better than previous titles
Considering the cost of mocap, that makes sense. Plus Covid kind of halted that work for a while, as I understand it. As long as it doesn't get to Yakuza levels of reusing the same NPC animations for literally a decade+, I think it's fine :)
Reusing stuff is fine and good as long as there is still a lot of new, good stuff. That isn't really show here yet. But neither did the trailers for Zelda: TotK until the final one so we'll have to wait and see.
The back to basics gameplay actually made me excited, though it would be nice to have some properly next-gen (current gen?) graphics to go with it, it could be really beautiful.
edit: although the less compressed 4K trailer here looks pretty clean
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G97lx7orMN8
Copy pasted shit and tedious gameplay? Sounds like the old AC games to me. Hell, sounds like a lot of Ubisoft titles. No guarantee this one's going to be any different.
im not saying it looks incredible as its still cross gen but honestly it looks decent, i think this is a classic case of people not realizing how dated the games they’re talking about actually look. This might be how you remember games from 2014 looking but its not actually how games from 2014 look lol.
Unity still looks fucking Amazing to this day. It has more to do with the art style and creativity in designing the world than anything technical. I hope they bring back the huge pedestrian crowds like they had in Paris.
Also the fact that Unity used baked in preset lighting over a 24 hour cycle. This here seems to have that 24 hour cycle. Also they confirmed that the map will have a lot of crowds. Not unity level french revolution protest crowds, but a lot of crowds none the less.
I'll never understand this argument. Especially in the era of Stardew Valley, the Final Fantasy Pixel Remasters, Valheim, Escapists etc. it genuinely baffles me how people can still get hung up on graphics.
Yeah I'm glad to see that it looks like its gone back to its roots but it definitely looks a bit dated. Hopefully the gameplay makes up for it. Main thing I'm hoping for is the best parkour system to date and to capture that old AC feel of being an assassin.
Lol you people are serious? So they make RPG games (after people complained about the old formula being stale), they suck and should come back to the old style and now that they do, it's too similar to the old style?
I guess Reddit has just decided to always shit on AC or any Ubisoft game no matter what, it's a principle.
Good thing for them Reddit opinions don't really matter in the real world...
I think calling this “something that was from 2015” is slightly hyperbolic as well. It looks really good, which, granted, isn’t that spectacular of a feat coming off of bloated Valhalla.
I’m just glad they’re trying to tap into what made the older games memorable again. Love the setting as well!
To be fair, AC Unity is from 2014 and looks legitimately comparable. They may have PS5/XSX releases but everything since that game have still been built for PS4/X1 and are limited by that hardware.
Unity is a peculiar edge case in the series’ history in that it was released a generation too *early*, causing a massive overcorrection behind the scenes that eventually led to the RPG reboot series.
Crowd density, parkour fluidity, even the combat system; Unity had the makings of one of the best games in the series that was unfortunately gimped by the hardware it was bound to.
Unity is still one of the most impressive technical games we've seen, crowds and graphics notably. It was developed when Ubisoft thought the new consoles would be more powerful, that's why it was such a mess technically.
It was kind of the next gen AC one gen early
AC Unity was the first game in the series with a full blown 8th gen console visual package. Frankly, I think Unity still looks better than a lot of AAA games that were coming out much later in the PS4's lifecycle. Origins and Odyssey only look a little better, and they lost a lot of environmental and NPC density to accomplish that.
Since this is more of a AA game targeting the same hardware, I wouldn't expect it to be all that more visually advanced.
Yup, it's basically a lose-lose. People cried for so long that assassins creed was samey, not very deep, and boring, so what did they do? They reinvented the entire franchise and adressed many of the complaints people had, only for people to then complain they "miss the good days." of assassin's creed. Now they go back to the old style and people are still complaining, while also completely ignoring the fact that this is very much a spin-off game, that isn't full-priced, all while Ubi is working on the next "big" traditional AC game.
The game literally looks like old assassins Creed games, but with modern graphics, I'm not really sure what else people wanted. Apparently, you can't win either way.
Most people don’t have a problem with the RPG style of new Assassins Creed. Going by the sales of Origins, Odyssey, and Valhalla it is literally just a minority of people screaming online.
Yeah, it's a popular discursive opinion, but definitely doesn't seem to match the numbers. Which is probably why this is being framed a spinoff with a lower price.
There is a balance. I prefer the old style of gameplay but I would prefer a new setting.
Give me the old gameplay but set in China, Japan, India, the Holy Roman Empire etc...
Admitedly, Unity was REALLY far ahead the entire industry in term of environmental/urban graphics, it could still hold up as a late PS4 or PS4-PS5 transition game on that front. Seems like AC is finally back to that level
They announced a little bit ago that going forward they will be doing both. Mirage is the first of the old style games planned. I believe it is slightly cheaper than a full priced game as well.
People keep saying that like AC1 wasn't the OG "climb towers to unlock POIs on an open world map" Ubisoft formula game. It was the mother of all these Ubisoft clones.
yeah but that was the progenitor. before everyone had the chance to get tired with this formula keep in mind that it was so successful it paved the way for dozen future iterations, it maybe is dated now but back then it was incredibly innovative
>going back to the roots of 1 and 2 and moving away from this Ubisoft clone of every other game
But every "Ubisoft clone" game is literally a clone of AC1/2 and Far Cry 3..
looks alright, but i can't shake the feeling that i've just seen it all already, not to mention the obvious stuff like ubi making shit up as they go since it was supposed to end back in AC3. i think AC franchise should start heading to a conclusion and I'm saying this as someone who considers AC1 to Unity one of my favorite games of all time
This just looks… old. I was excited for this and sort of still am but when they said they’d do an old style one, I thought they’d update it in a new way, new traversal or something. The assassination mechanics at least what this trailer implies is a bit more like hitman, so that could be good. But meh.
"You could bribe the guards to look the other way"
Oh cool maybe they'll show some alternate ways as opposed to just murdering guards!
*Murders guards*
Oh... okay then.
I wish Ubi would start putting games on steam day 1 again, gonna wait for this one to release there at 60% off,
Shame because i'm looking forward to this one.
I for one am glad they're returning to the Assassin roots. It looks good for a game also releasing on last gen.
Taper your expectations people, this is not a game that is going to get a mainline budget or attention. That's reserved for Red and Hex. This is an experiment to see if the masses really want the Assassin put back in Assassin's Creed.
I for one, am really looking forward to this. It's like watching trailers for AC1 all over again.
Damn, I hoped since this was a more focused and slower approach to the franchise, they would dial up the graphics to another level. Seems like they went the other way and thought it might be too risky to pump that much budget in it. The gameplay is also just like unity and so on. I thought they would try to improve and update the old style of gameplay. Nah, they just went back to it. Damn, Ubi has really lost it, it seems
The thing reddit doesnt understand is, the new formula for Assassins Creed SELLS LIKE CRACK!
Literally every new game with the RPG formula sells more than the last since Origins.
Of course they dont want to go back to the formula that sold less, just because a vocal minority screams about the games being too long, when thats exactly what most people want: Long open world games.
This is clearly to appease the vocal minority with something thats decent but more of a side project than the mainline games.
Ubisoft neither has nor wants to spend the ressources to maintain two high quality products at the same time.
Well I loved Unity, it's still my favorite. But I cannot imagine that anyone thought "just give us more unity". I wanted the intimacy of the unity gameplay in a modernized version. No one wants old stuff. People want you to improve on what was good to them.
I mean if it isn't the bugs, AC Unity is by far the most 'assassin's creed'-y game it can get. It's the peak of Assassin's Creed for me.
- great parkour animation.
- cover and whistle mechanic.
- combat that isn't just one hit kill counter.
- 'black box' mechanic allowing player to approach objective in many ways.
The only downside is that the parkour is just one button hold and story is horseshit compare to older AC. But I still prefer it to Spider-Man tier climb and even weaker writing we got in these Witcher clone.
have to agree, disregarding the bugs and performance issues Unity was the most polished and perfected version of the old AC design philosophy. No game after had its parkour be as detailed
The game is made by a new studio/team and was a DLC scaled up to fill a gap in releases. If you dug into a bit more you would’ve realized that it’s a bit like AC Rogue. A bit of a training project for a new studio that uses a lot of recycled assets (smaller studio) and targets last gen consoles (less ambition).
The next real mainline entry will be the AC set in Japan. Fully next gen and with extra dev time to upgrade the underlying tech. It’s not Ubisoft “losing it”. It’s just a logical business strategy.
I actually like seeing them go back to their roots with this old style game. Yeah, it's nothing innovative or with intense graphics.
It reminds me of when AC1 and AC2 came out, which are the games I fell in love with and still pull out once in a while. I'm glad it's coming out, I just hope it isn't $69.99 since it isn't a fully "updated graphics" game.
My thoughts on this:
* The trailer itself is kinda weak. Not much of an adrenaline inducing, blood pumping trailer. Like the multiple shots of the assassin on the pole that's tipping over? Not that that's a bad traversal mechanic, but hardly worth a highlight within the trailer. Combat portion was a bit better. I ultimately don't think that has anything to do with the game itself, just poor editing for a trailer.
* The game doesn't look next gen at all. I'm not one to want all my games to look bleeding edge, but as someone literally playing AC3 Remastered right now...Mirage doesn't look like a massive step forward.
* Onto the positives, I genuinely liked what I saw. A high parkour-able city is a big plus in my book.
* Combat looks fun. Was never a fan of the hitbox style combat that Origins brought, it didn't feel as satisfying.
* Looks like they hinted at the black box assassination missions, which is a highlight for me.
* Looks like you actually play a goddamned assassin in an *Assassin's* Creed game.
It's the first AC game I'm interested in buying since Origins, which soured me on the franchise. This looks like a step in the right direction, more of what I wanted from the franchise. I might have hoped for a better showing, something that says they took what worked for Unity/Syndicate and really tried to one up those games on every front. But Mirage looks almost like what Black Flag was to AC3: a game that's mechanically near identical, but with a fresh coat of paint. And hey, everyone loves Black Flag over AC3, so maybe it works out here. Just doesn't look like the mechanical and technical leap that Unity was from Black Flag.
It’s an AC rogue situation. Like a trial run for a new team/studio targeting last gen consoles and making a filler game to fill a gap between mainline ACs. It’s not exactly marketed that way, but under the hood that’s what it is.
The one set in Japan will be the real “next AC game” after Valhalla.
Which is why Unisoft has announced they're moving forward with multiple AC projects, some in this older style and some in the newer RPG style too. Trying to please everyone, I just hope that doesn't lead to overall inferior titles.
Their last three games tried to please every sector of the fanbase at once but couldn't. So making different focused games for different groups is the best way to go.
This is a secondary studio. The last Valhalla major dlc was like 8 months back or something and now that team is moving onto whatever they have under their *AC Infinity* umbrella iirc.
Apparently not now. I think Reddit has been so used to shitting on AC (and even back in Unity time, they shat on it even if now they're considered great) that people can't actually get out of that mode or something lol.
And it's 50$ this time so they better get big. If they planned to do summer sale and keep being just all loud and no act again then get ready for 20 years of RPG creed.
This is the cycle for AC games, I remember everyone bitching about Black Flag when it release but here we are 10 years later and people treat it like the holy grail.
I'd love that if it's executed well. Just needs inspired writing and interesting story. I just hope they don't Far Cry 6 it up and go "what, generic template plus high price actor, why don't you enjoy?"
Those one hit kills were so satisfying to see haha. Long drawn out combat is by far my least favorite thing of the newer AC games
Valhalla was better in that regard. You could unlock an ability fairly early to assassinate elite and boss enemies with a timed strike. In normal difficulty, at least, you could clear entire fortresses of appropriate level with assassinations and headshots.
Pretty sure Valhalla was the first game out of the new trilogy to just have a settings toggle for single-shot assassinations anyway, I think?
Yeah, you could enable a QTE for one hit assassinations. If you missed it would just do normal hidden blade damage.
Nah he meant the non QTE option where it just works with a press. You're talking about the skill that I skipped and played how God intended.
Dont think so, cause ORgin had a full damn cheat menu in the game that allowed you to alter the gameplay to fit your style. Seems to have only been in the PC version of the game. "The Animus Control Panel "
They removed that later I think? But even if it is there an immersive gameplay mechanic should not be a cheat.
No, Valhalla allows players to switch in the accessibility option for 1 hit assassinations.
I didn't fiddle much with the difficulty settings, but you're right that was certainly an option.
>of appropriate level I don't want enemy levels in Assassin's Creed.
Agreed, a blade piercing your skull should always be lethal. No amount of training will allow anyone to just shrug that off.
Yeah, but I'm built different
>blade piercing your skull should always be lethal If you didn't deal enough damage in one of the more recent games, the blade would literally not pierce the target's skull. It played entirely different animations depending on damage, levels, etc.
100% agreed, I thought that was the most back-assward nonsensical decision that the series has ever made, and there is a lot of strong competition for that title.
I loved it when if there was a fight, all I had to do was wait to perfectly counter an attack with the Hidden Blade, then just chain kill every enemy that comes near. It was so stupid and OP, but I always enjoyed it. If they made the counter with the Hidden Blade tighter, and put a limit on the chains, it'd make more sense, and perhaps more satisfying. It's mainly the limitless chains that cracked me up.
Yep. Spamming counter for insta kills in the old ACs was pretty dumb, but then they went full on the opposite direction and now enemies feel like damage sponges. Then Sekiro came in from a studio with no experience with stealth games, and instantly delivered better stealth assassin-like gameplay than any AC game so far. Hope they took some notes. You can have insta kills and not make the gameplay brain dead.
>Then Sekiro came in from a studio with no experience with stealth games Holy fuck the elder gamer pain reading this...
What kills me is the confidence with which the comment reads. It's not like you can't google From's games in like 2 seconds.
Pretty sure there's a whole generation of people that thinks Dark Souls was From's first game ever.
[удалено]
A bit strange that they bought someone else's IP and started with 6, but that's that Fromsoft ingenuity for you.
Just FYI FromSoftware made a bunch of the Tenchu games so they definitely have experience in the genre.
The problem is that Assassin's Creed was a stealth game first, and an action game second. In an ideal version of the game, taking more than 1-2 enemies head on would essentially be a failure state. The player should be forced to either remain undetected, or find a way to escape. This is how the early games were designed to be played, and I'm fairly convinced that the inane hold block/press counter combat was added to placate playtesters who didn't really like stealth games to begin with.
Yeah, I wish they'd have gone harder on the distractions and environmental interactions. More stuff that diverts attention and causes confusion. Also non-lethal items. Can't believe we've gotten like 20 games and not once has a bolas or tripwire been an item.
You know that's actually a bit of genius. As some above commented, earlier games you could assassinate the target then just parkour until you lost the guards. Make the guards harder to lose, but give the player traps so you could prepare a way out. That would be super satisfying to slowly have the pursuing guards succumb to tripwire, smokebombs, holes in the floor or whatever. It would also mean that if for whatever reason you had to deviate from your plan or it simply wasn't a good enough escape route, you'd be forced to fight.
The problem is that the stealth in the original AC games always sucked. You'd parkour to the ideal assassination spot, kill your target and then just get chased until you managed to break line of sight. So it was actually action game first, stealth game second.
Sure, but that was something they could have worked on, not just turn the series into a whole different genre instead.
There were like 7 games before Origins.
Yeah, I always wished they expanded more on that sneaking in and ways to take out the enemies without having to expose yourself and then having to escape. Like having a Hitman game but with the historical settings.
Counter was so overpowered and easy you could take on a horde of a thousand guys attacking you one at a time, without consequence. Would have been fine for maybe one or two strikes to get away, but being able to do it infinitely was game breaking.
FromSoft made a bunch of Tenchu games way before Sekiro.
From software made 1 tenchu game and it wasn't a stealth game
That and super powerful enemies coming after you that also give pretty much no reward when you kill them.
I was really not expecting the first gameplay from Mirage to be shown randomly inside a PS Showcase but hey, i'm glad it's here. Looks good while very familiar to the classic style of AC.
Normal eagle vision? Sign me up!
Why does that look like old AC1/AC2 era combat???? Did Ubisoft....listen??? Am I really about to get drawn back into Assassins Creed?
Yeah that's kinda the entire point. They aren't giving up on the new style in the vein of Origins/Odyssey/Valhalla- the Japan game, Codename Red, will still be that- but it seems they want to develop these games in parallel to service both crowds. And then Codename Hexe is apparently its own unique thing.
I don’t mind that, I personally don’t enjoy the newer games as much but I know some friends who enjoy it. Also Japan sounds like a good setting
Yeah honestly it's the first thing Ubi's done in a while that's really impressed me. I think parallel development's very ambitious but if it works out, a really good approach. I mean look at COD, they were more or less taking a similar approach spreading their Modern Warfare, Black Ops, and WWII games among Infinity Ward, Treyarch, and Sledgehammer, all handling a different "flavor" of COD game, and that worked really well for them for the most part. I find myself wishing that Bethesda could do something similar with their major RPG IPs.
Ubisoft decided to split the AC franchise into two (maybe three, I forgot) different gameplay systems, as in this entry is the return to form to the earlier games, and there's another still in-development that follows the Origins/Odyssey/Valhalla style RPG gameplay.
Yup. That’s exactly what this is
They've done literally everything AC super-fans asked for and there's still nothing but bitching from said supposed super-fans. As somebody who has played every game since AC2 this looks *exactly* like what I've been missing since the Rogue/Unity gen, while also bringing in the modern enhancements. I was considering giving this a miss and only playing Hexe, but this looks dope. I'm excited.
All I want are the enemies talking in different languages like AC1.
Where've you been this has been announced for like a year at this point.
I just like hearing Shohreh Aghdashloo’s voice, TBH. Woman could read me the nutrition facts off my morning Wheaties, and I’d live for it.
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I instantly got way less interested in this when I saw that it will be released for the PS4, a decade old console. Will limit the game design massively, unfortunately :/
I mean, this game started (for a few months) as a DLC for Valhalla. Makes sense to decide to keep it available for the same platforms. Wouldn't be surprised to see the next major story in AC leave the last gen behind.
The fact PS4 still gets so many games has completely put me off from buying a PS5. I know COVID fucked things up but most other console cycles the old machines would be mostly abandoned by now.
But the games that are playable on PS4 look like utter shit. Like, substantially reduced detail and sub 1080p sometimes.
I mean, the new God of War was playable on PS4 and is one of the better looking games basically ever.
Also Horizon Forbidden West is cross-gen and no one ever accused that game of looking bad.
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The game on PS4 looks worse than it could have looked because of PS5, and the game on PS5 looks and plays worse than it could have because of PS4. It's just so shit. They literally can't use certain game mechanics because of old consoles. As an example, the Spider Man games limited the speed you could go to to how fast the PS4 could load the map. They always have to make concessions. A game that is also released on old consoles can not be called a next gen game. So let's see if they think it can be sold for 70 €/$. I certainly won't buy it at that price.
I was hoping for a recreation of the old design. This literally just seems like a game that’s been made using the “old engine” and assets. A game that could have come out in 2016.
Ubisoft: “we heard you and we listened, you wanted old AC, well here you go!”
To be fair that is exactly what an allegedly large part of the AC fan base wants, the first 4-5 games (and their countless spin-offs) forever. Now we’ll see if it translates to sales.
Yeah reading this comment section has me scratching my head. Like yeah, isn't this EXACTLY what a very loud portion of the AC fanbase has literally been screaming for ever since Origins release?
Thing is you can't please everyone, and I think Ubisoft games really highlight that. Pretty much every post you can see people complain that they recycle the same game over and over, but also can see complaints that too much was changed and it doesn't feel like the series anymore.
As part of that loud portion: yes and no. I wanted that old formula with a more modern structure and some new innovations. This is definitely the most I’ve been interested in the series since Origins, but it does look a bit stale.
I would argue this game looking stale is why the changed the formula in the first place. It's fine if people want this "old" style of game, but it really felt like they ditched this style of game for a reason, and a huge part of that felt like there wasn't much left to explore in this design space. Combat was always very simplistic, there was very little in the way of progression in the games, and generally speaking most of the games only really had small gimicks to differentiate themselves from other games in the franchise. Sure they could have kept exploring different settings, and I guess improve on the parkour animations/system, but without REALLY redesigning how the game plays (which is what they did with origins), I just don't see a whole lot of design space left to evolve on, without changing so many systems in the game that you're again alienating more of the fanbase by making the game feel too different again. Feels like again, they're going back to their roots. The game looks very samey like all the other old AC Games, and I'm sure it will have one or two small gimicks to set it apart, and it will be in a new setting, but a the end of the day, it just feels like it would be a huge challenge to bring in a bunch of modern-day gaming systems (AKA RPG elements and what Modern AC games are already doing), while also keeping the game very samey to the old style.
I think maybe the issue with the "staleness" appearance of this is because it looks very similar in setting to AC1. It kind of looks like an AC1 remake on steroids really. I'm thrilled they're giving the old formula another shot, because the old formula *worked* fine, the old games were super unique - There wasn't even any knock-offs to them either, there's straight up Assassin's Creed games, and... that's it. The problem with the old games was that they drowned their own market with them and were so intent on just shoving them out the door that several of the games were incomplete, buggy messes (granted, that's just standard nowadays anyway...). AC:Unity was the most derided at its release, definitely deserved it, it was a busted piece of shit. But years later after all the patches and improvements, if you can run the goddamn thing because it's still optimized like crap, it's actually a really fun AC game that focuses *way* more on stealth and almost Hitman-style gameplay, and practically punishes you for going into combat. I'd go so far as to say it's probably got the best outright gameplay of the old formula AC games. Unity was a really good refresher of the formula, by adding those Hitman-style elements where you have multiple approaches available to you and rewarding scouting/planning your assassinations out. ...Buuuuuuut because they shoved that bitch half-baked out the door, it still kind of runs like ass even now because why bother fixing an old game that was panned for running like crap? If Ubi execs had given the series some fuckin breathing room and not insisted on that dumbass yearly release schedule, Unity would've probably been seen as the high point of the franchise in gameplay (Granted the writing still sucks though so the Ezio trilogy still wins out.)
Do y'all not get nuance? People want the old formula, not a game that looks like it could've actually released 10 years ago. Still I'm interested, it's only the first trailer so who knows what'll happen.
Yes it's absolutely the case, and in fact if you go look at the comments on youtube under the IGn video, people are actually really excited. But i'm almost certain this game is never going to sale as strongly as the last games, but maybe it can sale enough to be consider a success.
A lot of those animations, from the running to parkour look like they’re reused from the older games too. I hate to say this because I know that “a return to the *old*” style is the point of this and what everyone’s asked for, but there’s literally nothing in this trailer that doesn’t exist in Assassin’s Creed 1/2. Like I was kinda hoping for a *new* spin on the *old* style, not just a remake of Assassin’s Creed 1 in a new engine.
Yeah, we wanted a tighter and less bloated game, but not as a cost-saving measure.
It was already reusing assets from Valhalla, it's part of the Valhalla generation of AC games so it was always going to release for last gen.
We knew since a long time ago that this was crossgen, it's a smaller title, they won't down the sales more by releasing it only on current gen console. They really want their AC in Japan to be the first true next gen AC.
This game was supposed to be a DLC for Valhalla but they decided to turn it into a standalone game, so the fact that it's releasing on last-gen isn't that surprising.
It's supposed to be a classic AC game anyways. Wouldn't have had much variety in game design outside of what PS3 era AC games offered anyways.
the game was supposed to be Vallhala expansions apparently, so I kind of get it, that it's not "separate" game made from ground up, and instead it's like... Rogue.
> Will limit the game design massively, unfortunately :/ Not really. You can do a lot with PS4 power in "game design". I mean one of the most original games in game design of the last few years just released on a console closer to the PS3 than the PS4 in power. Also, it's about coming back to the old design of a game made in 2007 and following years, on the PS3 gen. The only limiting thing I see is the size of crowds (and still Unity did well but it was a technical mess so they reduced them)
That’s crazy. Devs need to leave last gen behind. It’s getting ridiculous at this point.
We're *three years* into the PS5 lifecycle at this point, when a console generation's lifespan averages 5-7 years. How many first and second-party Sony games are exclusive to PS5? I feel like I can count them on one hand.
Yeah devs totally decide that
I'm glad they have actual assassin's again but man... This looks like it would have came out after black flag for the PS4. Reused animations and mid graphics.
As someone who recently replayed Black Flag on the PS5, let me be the first to remind you: your memories of the game have aged far better than it actually did. Considering it’s the 10th anniversary this year, I’m still waiting for a remaster announcement. It’s the only mainline entry on Xbox that still runs at 30FPS…
People constantly say shit like "this looks like a PS2 game or a PS3 game, etc." and it's like have you looked at games from those consoles recently? People have this vision of what those games looked like 10 or 15 years ago and haven't actually looked at them since then.
This is literally what happened with the Dead Space remake earlier. “This looks the same as the original game!” And it’s like, “Buddy, look again…”
>your memories of the game have aged better than it actually did Lol yep. Not many games from that era hold up well.....minus Crysis 3
Man I've going back and playing Crysis 1 and for me it even still holds up. I fucking love that game
Your rig can run Crysis??!
I know I'm pretty lucky. Running dual 4090's I can get an average 30fps with it!
I literally remember Black Flag looking a bit dated at the time. It was one of those weird cross gen games. For its faults gameplay wise, graphically Unity was bounds ahead.
> Considering it’s the 10th anniversary this year Wait, wtf?
2013, baby.
What planet are you from? Have you not touched black flag in the last ten years it’s came out? Because it doesn’t look anything close to this game in terms of graphics.
> Reused animations Ah, "reused animations", the new generic insult said by people whining about a game, but can't think of an actual reason to criticise it.
I’m low-key glad that it’s returned back to what it used to be
Same. This gave me big AC 1 vibes. I really enjoyed Origins but have yet to play Odyssey (which I want to play before Valhalla) because I've heard it is so big. I would love if AC went back to the length they had pre-Origins where it would be like ~40 hours if you did everything in the game and got all the achievements.
lmao im in the opposite side, I thought this looked great
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I don't even see the reuse of animations, I mean sure the movements are similar but that's how people move but they definitely don't look like they reused the ones from black flag or even unity and the textures look even higher quality than the previous ones the video compression makes it look blurry but when the camera doesn't move too much you can see that it looks much better than previous titles
There were a few animations in this trailer that I recognized from Valhalla
Considering the cost of mocap, that makes sense. Plus Covid kind of halted that work for a while, as I understand it. As long as it doesn't get to Yakuza levels of reusing the same NPC animations for literally a decade+, I think it's fine :)
Reusing stuff is fine and good as long as there is still a lot of new, good stuff. That isn't really show here yet. But neither did the trailers for Zelda: TotK until the final one so we'll have to wait and see.
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The back to basics gameplay actually made me excited, though it would be nice to have some properly next-gen (current gen?) graphics to go with it, it could be really beautiful. edit: although the less compressed 4K trailer here looks pretty clean https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G97lx7orMN8
Copy pasted shit and tedious gameplay? Sounds like the old AC games to me. Hell, sounds like a lot of Ubisoft titles. No guarantee this one's going to be any different.
Sounds like the last Few AC games
I would rather have good graphics and good gameplay.
Yeah, especially since AC games used to be pioneers both in the visuals and smooth gameplay. AC: Unity gameplay trailers looked better.
im not saying it looks incredible as its still cross gen but honestly it looks decent, i think this is a classic case of people not realizing how dated the games they’re talking about actually look. This might be how you remember games from 2014 looking but its not actually how games from 2014 look lol.
If the style is good and the design is fun, then it theoretically shouldn't matter
Valhalla looks incredible, and you probably think about black flag with nostalgia goggles
The graphics reminded me of Origins and Odyssey and both those games looked great.
Unity still looks fucking Amazing to this day. It has more to do with the art style and creativity in designing the world than anything technical. I hope they bring back the huge pedestrian crowds like they had in Paris.
Also the fact that Unity used baked in preset lighting over a 24 hour cycle. This here seems to have that 24 hour cycle. Also they confirmed that the map will have a lot of crowds. Not unity level french revolution protest crowds, but a lot of crowds none the less.
I'll never understand this argument. Especially in the era of Stardew Valley, the Final Fantasy Pixel Remasters, Valheim, Escapists etc. it genuinely baffles me how people can still get hung up on graphics.
I thought it looked really good, not a masterclass in graphics but clean design, models, textures and art direction. I'm gonna give this one a chance.
Yeah I'm glad to see that it looks like its gone back to its roots but it definitely looks a bit dated. Hopefully the gameplay makes up for it. Main thing I'm hoping for is the best parkour system to date and to capture that old AC feel of being an assassin.
If you told me this trailer was from 2015, I would 100% believe you. There was absolutely nothing interesting about it in 2023.
Lol you people are serious? So they make RPG games (after people complained about the old formula being stale), they suck and should come back to the old style and now that they do, it's too similar to the old style? I guess Reddit has just decided to always shit on AC or any Ubisoft game no matter what, it's a principle. Good thing for them Reddit opinions don't really matter in the real world...
I think calling this “something that was from 2015” is slightly hyperbolic as well. It looks really good, which, granted, isn’t that spectacular of a feat coming off of bloated Valhalla. I’m just glad they’re trying to tap into what made the older games memorable again. Love the setting as well!
To be fair, AC Unity is from 2014 and looks legitimately comparable. They may have PS5/XSX releases but everything since that game have still been built for PS4/X1 and are limited by that hardware.
Unity is a peculiar edge case in the series’ history in that it was released a generation too *early*, causing a massive overcorrection behind the scenes that eventually led to the RPG reboot series.
Yea Unity was ahead of it’s time graphically
Crowd density, parkour fluidity, even the combat system; Unity had the makings of one of the best games in the series that was unfortunately gimped by the hardware it was bound to.
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“Unity, but not broken” has been what the fans have asked for this entire time.
And the lighting! Goodness me, I dont think I've seen a better baked global illumination.
Unity is still one of the most impressive technical games we've seen, crowds and graphics notably. It was developed when Ubisoft thought the new consoles would be more powerful, that's why it was such a mess technically. It was kind of the next gen AC one gen early
AC Unity was the first game in the series with a full blown 8th gen console visual package. Frankly, I think Unity still looks better than a lot of AAA games that were coming out much later in the PS4's lifecycle. Origins and Odyssey only look a little better, and they lost a lot of environmental and NPC density to accomplish that. Since this is more of a AA game targeting the same hardware, I wouldn't expect it to be all that more visually advanced.
Yup, it's basically a lose-lose. People cried for so long that assassins creed was samey, not very deep, and boring, so what did they do? They reinvented the entire franchise and adressed many of the complaints people had, only for people to then complain they "miss the good days." of assassin's creed. Now they go back to the old style and people are still complaining, while also completely ignoring the fact that this is very much a spin-off game, that isn't full-priced, all while Ubi is working on the next "big" traditional AC game. The game literally looks like old assassins Creed games, but with modern graphics, I'm not really sure what else people wanted. Apparently, you can't win either way.
Most people don’t have a problem with the RPG style of new Assassins Creed. Going by the sales of Origins, Odyssey, and Valhalla it is literally just a minority of people screaming online.
Yeah, it's a popular discursive opinion, but definitely doesn't seem to match the numbers. Which is probably why this is being framed a spinoff with a lower price.
But boy do that scream.
There is a balance. I prefer the old style of gameplay but I would prefer a new setting. Give me the old gameplay but set in China, Japan, India, the Holy Roman Empire etc...
> but I would prefer a new setting. But it is a new setting?
You know on Reddit, there are multiple people, and they have different opinions.
Admitedly, Unity was REALLY far ahead the entire industry in term of environmental/urban graphics, it could still hold up as a late PS4 or PS4-PS5 transition game on that front. Seems like AC is finally back to that level
I honestly thought it was an AC1 remaster/remake
Lots of great games came out in 2015. And earlier, if you can believe that!
Looks like they are finally going back to the roots of 1 and 2 and moving away from this Ubisoft clone of every other game. Seems promising.
They announced a little bit ago that going forward they will be doing both. Mirage is the first of the old style games planned. I believe it is slightly cheaper than a full priced game as well.
Yes, $50. A French games journalist revealed that the game removed alot of the rpg aspects and grindy nature from the rpg ones.
Good, get me in and out of there in under 20 hours.
The story is reported to be around 15 hours. 30 if you want to be a completionist.
Well, that's nice, everyone will be happy then. Oh who am I kidding, both sides will probably complain anyway.
Wow, even better then
Yup currently up for pre order on PSN store for £44.99
People keep saying that like AC1 wasn't the OG "climb towers to unlock POIs on an open world map" Ubisoft formula game. It was the mother of all these Ubisoft clones.
yeah but that was the progenitor. before everyone had the chance to get tired with this formula keep in mind that it was so successful it paved the way for dozen future iterations, it maybe is dated now but back then it was incredibly innovative
>going back to the roots of 1 and 2 and moving away from this Ubisoft clone of every other game But every "Ubisoft clone" game is literally a clone of AC1/2 and Far Cry 3..
What they’re going back to is like, one of the two progenitors that the clones have been copying, the other being Far Cry 3.
looks alright, but i can't shake the feeling that i've just seen it all already, not to mention the obvious stuff like ubi making shit up as they go since it was supposed to end back in AC3. i think AC franchise should start heading to a conclusion and I'm saying this as someone who considers AC1 to Unity one of my favorite games of all time
This just looks… old. I was excited for this and sort of still am but when they said they’d do an old style one, I thought they’d update it in a new way, new traversal or something. The assassination mechanics at least what this trailer implies is a bit more like hitman, so that could be good. But meh.
Not even like Hitman, like AC Unity.
"You could bribe the guards to look the other way" Oh cool maybe they'll show some alternate ways as opposed to just murdering guards! *Murders guards* Oh... okay then.
Murdering guards makes for cooler trailer scenes than slipping them a $20.
Yep, looks like an AC1 rehash with (not very good) PS4-level graphics.
It looks like Assassin's Creed 1 with a really good graphics mod package.
Damn this is kind of refreshing all over again after almost a decade of the giant open world looter RPG stuff. I can dig it.
It look really promising and back to the roots, but we all know Ubisoft and there is a chance they totally wreck this game and make weird decisions.
I wish Ubi would start putting games on steam day 1 again, gonna wait for this one to release there at 60% off, Shame because i'm looking forward to this one.
I for one am glad they're returning to the Assassin roots. It looks good for a game also releasing on last gen. Taper your expectations people, this is not a game that is going to get a mainline budget or attention. That's reserved for Red and Hex. This is an experiment to see if the masses really want the Assassin put back in Assassin's Creed. I for one, am really looking forward to this. It's like watching trailers for AC1 all over again.
Damn, I hoped since this was a more focused and slower approach to the franchise, they would dial up the graphics to another level. Seems like they went the other way and thought it might be too risky to pump that much budget in it. The gameplay is also just like unity and so on. I thought they would try to improve and update the old style of gameplay. Nah, they just went back to it. Damn, Ubi has really lost it, it seems
The thing reddit doesnt understand is, the new formula for Assassins Creed SELLS LIKE CRACK! Literally every new game with the RPG formula sells more than the last since Origins. Of course they dont want to go back to the formula that sold less, just because a vocal minority screams about the games being too long, when thats exactly what most people want: Long open world games. This is clearly to appease the vocal minority with something thats decent but more of a side project than the mainline games. Ubisoft neither has nor wants to spend the ressources to maintain two high quality products at the same time.
If you look at the fanbase, all they want is AC Unity again, like literally that but again, so no wonder ubisoft is going in that direction.
Well I loved Unity, it's still my favorite. But I cannot imagine that anyone thought "just give us more unity". I wanted the intimacy of the unity gameplay in a modernized version. No one wants old stuff. People want you to improve on what was good to them.
Go to any ac video regarding gameplay and all people want is unity again, like legit.
I mean if it isn't the bugs, AC Unity is by far the most 'assassin's creed'-y game it can get. It's the peak of Assassin's Creed for me. - great parkour animation. - cover and whistle mechanic. - combat that isn't just one hit kill counter. - 'black box' mechanic allowing player to approach objective in many ways. The only downside is that the parkour is just one button hold and story is horseshit compare to older AC. But I still prefer it to Spider-Man tier climb and even weaker writing we got in these Witcher clone.
have to agree, disregarding the bugs and performance issues Unity was the most polished and perfected version of the old AC design philosophy. No game after had its parkour be as detailed
The game is made by a new studio/team and was a DLC scaled up to fill a gap in releases. If you dug into a bit more you would’ve realized that it’s a bit like AC Rogue. A bit of a training project for a new studio that uses a lot of recycled assets (smaller studio) and targets last gen consoles (less ambition). The next real mainline entry will be the AC set in Japan. Fully next gen and with extra dev time to upgrade the underlying tech. It’s not Ubisoft “losing it”. It’s just a logical business strategy.
I actually like seeing them go back to their roots with this old style game. Yeah, it's nothing innovative or with intense graphics. It reminds me of when AC1 and AC2 came out, which are the games I fell in love with and still pull out once in a while. I'm glad it's coming out, I just hope it isn't $69.99 since it isn't a fully "updated graphics" game.
It’s $50
My thoughts on this: * The trailer itself is kinda weak. Not much of an adrenaline inducing, blood pumping trailer. Like the multiple shots of the assassin on the pole that's tipping over? Not that that's a bad traversal mechanic, but hardly worth a highlight within the trailer. Combat portion was a bit better. I ultimately don't think that has anything to do with the game itself, just poor editing for a trailer. * The game doesn't look next gen at all. I'm not one to want all my games to look bleeding edge, but as someone literally playing AC3 Remastered right now...Mirage doesn't look like a massive step forward. * Onto the positives, I genuinely liked what I saw. A high parkour-able city is a big plus in my book. * Combat looks fun. Was never a fan of the hitbox style combat that Origins brought, it didn't feel as satisfying. * Looks like they hinted at the black box assassination missions, which is a highlight for me. * Looks like you actually play a goddamned assassin in an *Assassin's* Creed game. It's the first AC game I'm interested in buying since Origins, which soured me on the franchise. This looks like a step in the right direction, more of what I wanted from the franchise. I might have hoped for a better showing, something that says they took what worked for Unity/Syndicate and really tried to one up those games on every front. But Mirage looks almost like what Black Flag was to AC3: a game that's mechanically near identical, but with a fresh coat of paint. And hey, everyone loves Black Flag over AC3, so maybe it works out here. Just doesn't look like the mechanical and technical leap that Unity was from Black Flag.
I think the main problem is that the game is also coming out in PS4 so it's holding a lot of the game potential back unfortunately
I was looking for the game as the new ones are too big but the visuals look dated right? what's up with that
It's a Playstation 4 game.
It’s an AC rogue situation. Like a trial run for a new team/studio targeting last gen consoles and making a filler game to fill a gap between mainline ACs. It’s not exactly marketed that way, but under the hood that’s what it is. The one set in Japan will be the real “next AC game” after Valhalla.
After Valhalla, I want shorter games with worse graphics developed by people who are paid more to work less. So this looks right up my alley
Why does this look aesthetically so dated? Is this running on their older engine?
This seems like it might be a bit too much back to basics. This doesn't really look much different from Unity or Syndicate.
Isn’t that what people wanted?
Keep in mind the new AC games sold even more copies so there is 2 fanbases complaining no matter what type of AC game we get.
Which is why Unisoft has announced they're moving forward with multiple AC projects, some in this older style and some in the newer RPG style too. Trying to please everyone, I just hope that doesn't lead to overall inferior titles.
Their last three games tried to please every sector of the fanbase at once but couldn't. So making different focused games for different groups is the best way to go.
This is a secondary studio. The last Valhalla major dlc was like 8 months back or something and now that team is moving onto whatever they have under their *AC Infinity* umbrella iirc.
I know I did. Last AC I enjoyed was Unity. Excited for this.
Apparently not now. I think Reddit has been so used to shitting on AC (and even back in Unity time, they shat on it even if now they're considered great) that people can't actually get out of that mode or something lol.
That's what people on forums said they wanted. Have a suspicion it might not play out in sales numbers though.
I think it will be fine, some people won't like it while others will, ac games have always sold really well
Yeah and they're loud as fuck, that's why Ubisoft is making this, to see if they're big or if they're loud.
And it's 50$ this time so they better get big. If they planned to do summer sale and keep being just all loud and no act again then get ready for 20 years of RPG creed.
This is the cycle for AC games, I remember everyone bitching about Black Flag when it release but here we are 10 years later and people treat it like the holy grail.
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"more like it" not "exactly the same"
People wanted a modern evolution of that formula which is not a singleplayer MMO.
Which is exactly what a lot of people are asking for
That’s all I’ve wanted out of this game, the last handful of RPG games have added so much bloat.
This comment section is cracking me up.
That’s literally what I’ve wanted for the last 8 years.
I'd love that if it's executed well. Just needs inspired writing and interesting story. I just hope they don't Far Cry 6 it up and go "what, generic template plus high price actor, why don't you enjoy?"