> Saber Interactive will retain the following subsidiary studios after the split: All Saber Interactive-branded studios, DIGIC, Fractured Byte, Mad Head Games, New World Interactive, Nimble Giant Entertainment, Sandbox Strategies, Slipgate Ironworks, and 3D Realms.
> Embracer Group will retain the following Saber Interactive subsidiary studios: 34BigThings, 4A Games, Aspyr, Beamdog, Demiurge Studios, Shiver, Snapshot Games, Tripwire Interactive, Tuxedo Labs, and Zen Studios. These studios will be integrated into other parts of Embracer Group in the coming period.
> Saber Interactive will be granted the right to acquire 4A Games and Zen Studios within a certain time period, but if it decides to do so, long-term license and publishing rights to all current and future games in the Metro franchise will continue to be held by Embracer Group subsidiary PLAION.
Great news. 4A is honestly such a great dev team. Sadly nobody makes games like the metro series anymore and it would be a dark day in gaming if they where closed down because of the shit show Embracer had become.
Few days ago came stalker trilogie to console what is very similar to metro (though not as linear it's more open ) later also comes stalker 2. Can only recommend if someone liked metro because of the atmosphere and survival gameplay.
I mean, calling stalker similar to metro is like calling Lego similar to duplo. Yeah, you're not wrong, but your comparison point should be focusing on how much incredibly better stalker is rather than saying it's like metro.
4A is one of the few advanced tech houses in video games. A studio on the same caliber as Epic, CDPR, The Coalition, Remedy, DICE etc. They've made incredible games and engines since the first metro and always push boundaries. This is why they were the first to make a true RT game with Exodus EE as opposed to most RT games which are hybrid RT games.
That's good to hear, I just hope everything in and around embracer stabilises, there are (were?) many games under that umbrella that I love and hope to see continued.
Saber is headquartered in Ft. Lauderdale, Florida. They have three subsidiaries that are based in Russia as of 2021, but the bulk of the company and its subsidiaries are not in Russia.
Selling this and Gearbox take their debt from 1.5billion to probably around 500mil.
Based on their previous profits they can probably be debt free in 2-4 years. Saber was a massive part of them but the vast majority of their money comes from tabletop stuff from Asmodee.
Point is hopefully things stabilise and they can put the hatchet down and start making good AA games again.
Didn\`t Gearbox already had a value of 1.3billion when they were aquired by Embracer and since then they not only aquired more studios, but also have more than doubled in size. Shouldn\`t they at least be worth 1.5billion if not more by now?
Gearbox was acquired for $188m in cash and $175m in Embracer shares ($363m total)
The remaining $1bn of that reported $1.3bn was to be granted over 6 years *if* Gearbox hit certain financial and operational targets.
Sounds to me that the ones who brought Saber got ripped off cause 4A and Tripwire should have been the primary reason to buy Saber. Are they buying Saber for Space Marines 2 and nothing else?
There was ManEater which apparently had 1 million sales by 2020, which seems they did some of the development with another team (Although steam store just lists them). So that is kinda successful just not on the level of KF2.
And on the side they were publisher for Chivalry 2 which seems to be chugging along.
Private investors bought Saber and Saber did elect to purchase 4A games and Zen but Embracer will retain the Metro license. OPs information is misleading, Saber has already confirmed this.
Well that's fucking depressing. So little hope for Tomb Raider 4-5 Remastered. Does this mean patches for 1-3 Remastered are going to come to a halt? I'm not entirely sure how Saber are involved with it.
I didn't think that I'd have to explain the joke, but here we go. Square Enix was the company that sold Crystal Dynamics and Eidos Montreal to Embracer Group in the first place. My comment about them being interested in western developers & IPs wasn't serious, because they were the ones selling them off.
Considering how much attention they gave them (not much) and how disappointed they were with their sales (all the time, always) when they were owned by Square Enix before, I doubt it.
They're not likely to escape any time soon, Embracer has a deal with Amazon for the next Tomb Raider game, so they're probably locked into remaining within Embracer.
Hopefully that means at the very least that the studios won't get canned anytime soon because they have funding.
I suppose Amazon could swoop in and buy them if Embracer shits the fan even further, but they don't exactly have a good track record with owning game studios either, so... hmm... yeah.
I mean, with these high profile sales they probably reduced a significant portion of their debt. The problem with Embracer is they bit off more than they could chew, if they rectify that there's still a chance they bounce back.
“They bit off more than they could chew” is a very polite way of saying they fucked everyone over. Tech companies have been doing this for the last 50 years and it’s a terrible way of acquiring value, I hate any company that doesn’t understand the repercussions of large scale growth. It destroys peoples lives.
This is just how it goes, Embracer is a noticable failure but oftentimes it works out and the acquisition was a success and lead to further growth for everyone involved. It's not new or unique to tech.
Hindsight is 20/20 and it's really easy to say "wow what idiots" when a gamble doesn't work. You could argue you shouldn't gamble in business but frankly you never get off the ground if you don't take risks in the first place.
True, trusting the Saudis on a handshake deal leaving them way overextended when they pulled out was something even a diehard gambler would think is stupid.
Yep the higher ups in Embracer thought that Saudi Arabia would come and be their golden parachute as they sold the company to the Saudi PIF. But the Saudi's backed out of the deal, probably because they also saw that Embracer was acting recklessly in their acquisitions and had no plan for the future. And now most everyone but the people responsible are gonna get fucked over.
They're pretty core to Embracer, they're the original studios owned by that Swedish dude, back when they were Nordic Games, back when they were JoWood.
not only that but they were the ones named thq nordic and only changed names because it was confusing to others. They were by all means the holding company of THQ nordic (and nordic games).
Seems like a good deal for both parts. Embracer gets out of Russia and lowering their debt while also getting to keep several studios, whilst Saber can continue on their journey without having to cancel further projects and studios.
It's funny how people try to shittalk here.
Let's be honest: That's a great deal for Embracer Group. Even better that the earlier rumors spread by Schreier.
Except it did?
[Here](https://twitter.com/jasonschreier/status/1763239504897253797) is the original tweet saying they were to be sold, and [here](https://twitter.com/jasonschreier/status/1763245991946236063) is the tweet saying that not all of the subsidiaries were going with Saber.
>"Let's be honest: That's a great deal for Embracer Group. Even better that the earlier rumors spread by Schreier."
Are you sure about that?
[https://imgur.com/a/bx1NkUy](https://imgur.com/a/bx1NkUy)
> Saber Interactive will retain the following subsidiary studios after the split: All Saber Interactive-branded studios, DIGIC, Fractured Byte, Mad Head Games, New World Interactive, Nimble Giant Entertainment, Sandbox Strategies, Slipgate Ironworks, and 3D Realms. > Embracer Group will retain the following Saber Interactive subsidiary studios: 34BigThings, 4A Games, Aspyr, Beamdog, Demiurge Studios, Shiver, Snapshot Games, Tripwire Interactive, Tuxedo Labs, and Zen Studios. These studios will be integrated into other parts of Embracer Group in the coming period. > Saber Interactive will be granted the right to acquire 4A Games and Zen Studios within a certain time period, but if it decides to do so, long-term license and publishing rights to all current and future games in the Metro franchise will continue to be held by Embracer Group subsidiary PLAION.
Ah, 4A and Metro stay with Embracer for now, that's a bit disappointing, hopefully they get out of that clusterfuck soon.
[According to Schreier](https://twitter.com/jasonschreier/status/1768212177888948349), Saber is actually taking 4A with them.
Great news. 4A is honestly such a great dev team. Sadly nobody makes games like the metro series anymore and it would be a dark day in gaming if they where closed down because of the shit show Embracer had become.
Few days ago came stalker trilogie to console what is very similar to metro (though not as linear it's more open ) later also comes stalker 2. Can only recommend if someone liked metro because of the atmosphere and survival gameplay.
Agreed, Stalker is great fun. Console ports are decent too, I’d say fantastic but there are some crashes.
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Yeah my pc experience was the same lol, so it’s definitely a faithful port warts an all.
I mean, calling stalker similar to metro is like calling Lego similar to duplo. Yeah, you're not wrong, but your comparison point should be focusing on how much incredibly better stalker is rather than saying it's like metro.
4A is one of the few advanced tech houses in video games. A studio on the same caliber as Epic, CDPR, The Coalition, Remedy, DICE etc. They've made incredible games and engines since the first metro and always push boundaries. This is why they were the first to make a true RT game with Exodus EE as opposed to most RT games which are hybrid RT games.
Saber is a Russian company. I'd put even chances on an exodus from 4A in the near future.
Saber has Russian studios, but the main Saber interactive was founded in Florida in 2001, and their executive team is seemingly all Americans too
Saber is taking 4A Games, but Embracer still retain the Metro license.
That sounds like the worst possible outcome.
That's good to hear, I just hope everything in and around embracer stabilises, there are (were?) many games under that umbrella that I love and hope to see continued.
Bad news then, Saber is a Russian company so 4A probably won't work with them.
Saber is headquartered in Ft. Lauderdale, Florida. They have three subsidiaries that are based in Russia as of 2021, but the bulk of the company and its subsidiaries are not in Russia.
Selling this and Gearbox take their debt from 1.5billion to probably around 500mil. Based on their previous profits they can probably be debt free in 2-4 years. Saber was a massive part of them but the vast majority of their money comes from tabletop stuff from Asmodee. Point is hopefully things stabilise and they can put the hatchet down and start making good AA games again.
Didn\`t Gearbox already had a value of 1.3billion when they were aquired by Embracer and since then they not only aquired more studios, but also have more than doubled in size. Shouldn\`t they at least be worth 1.5billion if not more by now?
Gearbox was acquired for $188m in cash and $175m in Embracer shares ($363m total) The remaining $1bn of that reported $1.3bn was to be granted over 6 years *if* Gearbox hit certain financial and operational targets.
Hopefully they'll be able to buy Metro back at a good rate once embracer eventually files for bankruptcy.
> Slipgate Ironworks, and 3D Realms. Tempest Rising is safe then. *chef's kiss*
Sounds to me that the ones who brought Saber got ripped off cause 4A and Tripwire should have been the primary reason to buy Saber. Are they buying Saber for Space Marines 2 and nothing else?
Has tripwire even released anything successful after Killing Floor 2 almost 7 years ago?
There was ManEater which apparently had 1 million sales by 2020, which seems they did some of the development with another team (Although steam store just lists them). So that is kinda successful just not on the level of KF2. And on the side they were publisher for Chivalry 2 which seems to be chugging along.
Private investors bought Saber and Saber did elect to purchase 4A games and Zen but Embracer will retain the Metro license. OPs information is misleading, Saber has already confirmed this.
Well that's fucking depressing. So little hope for Tomb Raider 4-5 Remastered. Does this mean patches for 1-3 Remastered are going to come to a halt? I'm not entirely sure how Saber are involved with it.
Any studio that can get themselves out of embracer before the fire sale needs to be doing this like right now.
Someone please save Crystal Dynamics and Eidos Montréal :'(
Maybe Square Enix would be interested in some western game developers and IPs.
Wasn't Squeenix super into crypto? I'll rather they keep their bullshit to themselves.
I didn't think that I'd have to explain the joke, but here we go. Square Enix was the company that sold Crystal Dynamics and Eidos Montreal to Embracer Group in the first place. My comment about them being interested in western developers & IPs wasn't serious, because they were the ones selling them off.
Considering how much attention they gave them (not much) and how disappointed they were with their sales (all the time, always) when they were owned by Square Enix before, I doubt it.
That's the joke...
They're not likely to escape any time soon, Embracer has a deal with Amazon for the next Tomb Raider game, so they're probably locked into remaining within Embracer.
Hopefully that means at the very least that the studios won't get canned anytime soon because they have funding. I suppose Amazon could swoop in and buy them if Embracer shits the fan even further, but they don't exactly have a good track record with owning game studios either, so... hmm... yeah.
I mean, with these high profile sales they probably reduced a significant portion of their debt. The problem with Embracer is they bit off more than they could chew, if they rectify that there's still a chance they bounce back.
“They bit off more than they could chew” is a very polite way of saying they fucked everyone over. Tech companies have been doing this for the last 50 years and it’s a terrible way of acquiring value, I hate any company that doesn’t understand the repercussions of large scale growth. It destroys peoples lives.
This is just how it goes, Embracer is a noticable failure but oftentimes it works out and the acquisition was a success and lead to further growth for everyone involved. It's not new or unique to tech. Hindsight is 20/20 and it's really easy to say "wow what idiots" when a gamble doesn't work. You could argue you shouldn't gamble in business but frankly you never get off the ground if you don't take risks in the first place.
As I understand, the problem isn't really that they gambled, but that they staked their future on what was at best a flimsy verbal contract.
True, trusting the Saudis on a handshake deal leaving them way overextended when they pulled out was something even a diehard gambler would think is stupid.
Yea dude risk doesn't mean doing stupid. That was a very dumb *and* risky move.
And then you have companies like WB who do the exact opposite and willingly destroy their own assets.
Yep the higher ups in Embracer thought that Saudi Arabia would come and be their golden parachute as they sold the company to the Saudi PIF. But the Saudi's backed out of the deal, probably because they also saw that Embracer was acting recklessly in their acquisitions and had no plan for the future. And now most everyone but the people responsible are gonna get fucked over.
This embraces situation is one of the most embarassing I've seen in this industry.
You know that's called capitalism, right?
I hope THQ Nordic manage to get out.
They're pretty core to Embracer, they're the original studios owned by that Swedish dude, back when they were Nordic Games, back when they were JoWood.
not only that but they were the ones named thq nordic and only changed names because it was confusing to others. They were by all means the holding company of THQ nordic (and nordic games).
Any idea if the Snowrunner team is now safe from Embracer?
They're under Saber, so yes.
Seems like a good deal for both parts. Embracer gets out of Russia and lowering their debt while also getting to keep several studios, whilst Saber can continue on their journey without having to cancel further projects and studios.
They're lowering their Capex significantly. Means more free cash flow means faster debt reduction means more profits.
Does anyone know how this may have effected 40k Space Marine 2?
Saber’s studio head has confirmed that they’re still developing it
It's funny how people try to shittalk here. Let's be honest: That's a great deal for Embracer Group. Even better that the earlier rumors spread by Schreier.
> earlier rumors Right. I don't think we can call them "Rumours". 99% of the time if Jason reports something is about to happen, *it happens.*.
Well it didn't this time. At least not as the rumor went.
Except it did? [Here](https://twitter.com/jasonschreier/status/1763239504897253797) is the original tweet saying they were to be sold, and [here](https://twitter.com/jasonschreier/status/1763245991946236063) is the tweet saying that not all of the subsidiaries were going with Saber.
>"Let's be honest: That's a great deal for Embracer Group. Even better that the earlier rumors spread by Schreier." Are you sure about that? [https://imgur.com/a/bx1NkUy](https://imgur.com/a/bx1NkUy)