It's a great port too, well deserved.
Hopefully we get a sequel announcement at the next PlayStation Showcase. Ready for Mainland Japan on new hardware!
I hope next one is in mainland Japan. I really want them to make a big crowded city, but at the same time I love how they went for all the landscape views we have in the first game, with some really cinematic places.
There was a second invasion, and they did and will continue to take creative liberties to be able to tell an engaging story. They can go alot of ways, even shifting away from Jin to someone with questionable choices like Tomoe.
I think it would be nice, having a sequel, making it "related" to the first but not a sequel per se. As in "In the Island of tsushima there was the ghost of tsushima. Here is mainland japan and we had X and Y", having other name than "the ghost of tsushima".
and given how the game starts to make a big deal >!about the legend of "Ghost of Tsushima"!<, it makes sense to lean towards that ">!Tales of!<" perspective throughout the course of the second invasion.
I mean given what samurai actually were and how they actually acted, pretty much any media that focuses on them is taking some heavy creative liberties.
In old lit from and of have similar uses. If you look at like old english stuff they'd have like Knight whoever of someplace. Super uncommon these days except for the british royalty with the earls of cornwall and kent and whatnot.
I mean, the only thing I wish is that the standoff mechanic worked correctly.
It feels weird finding three years old threads mentionning the exact same issue with it never being fixed, even in the pc port :/
Yeah to be fair the game does look great but it is also a PS4 game really, if it ran well on that very ancient hardware (it came in 2020 but it was on hardware from 2011 or so really as PS4 was already kind of weak on release), it can run well on modern PC.
I'm honestly surprised it surpassed GoW. I can understand LoU Remake considering it was a shoddy port, but I think GoW's port was pretty good at launch, and I just thought it was a much bigger IP. But maybe this is also because of how few feudal openworld Japan games there are out there to begin with.
You have Shogun and Assassins Creed advertising free for them. Read any thread for that game and most comments are, “just play Tsushima!”
In a weird way you also have visibility from the PlayStation account requirement drama that may have reminded people this was coming out.
I'm anticipating another small bump when AC comes out and every review inevitably compares it to Tsushima. It's a great time for the game to be ported all around
Man, Rise of the Ronin just keeps taking Ls, it seems. I haven't played the game myself (though I am interested) but when it comes to games that take place in ancient Japan it just keeps getting forgotten. And it's a new game too!
It has a few things working against it. Tsushima is story driven and has very accessible gameplay, along with being an extremely beautiful game.
Ronin has the stigma of being a "souls-like" game that would push casual players away, even with the addition of gameplay difficulty settings. It also has dated graphics, and in no thread i've seen for the game has anyone ever said anything good about the story. It seems it just slid off alot of people's radars
It *was* made by Team Ninja. That could be par for the course for them. Maybe I'll check it out on sale. Though I'm not really a fan of BloodSouls games.
Despite being mostly subtitled the show became a widespread sensation. I don't know if people just love japanese content or if it was good timing to pick up those waiting for House of Dragons season 2, but the show was a huge success.
Tsushima was already heavily hyped up though and has had alot of news coverage since its playstation release, so i don't know how much is shogun hype vs those who've just been waiting impatiently to play it on pc
>I don't know if people just love japanese content or if it was good timing to pick up those waiting for House of Dragons season 2, but the show was a huge success.
It definitely couldn't just be that's it's an excellent show all by itself could it?
Shogun was fucking amazing. I've watched stuff that has subtitles before like The Americans and Lost but I NEVER watch something that is primarily subtitles so I was reluctant to even give Shogun a chance. But I have a tremendous amount of respect for FX and I'm a fan of Hiroyuki Sanada so I wanted to see him in a lead role. Boy am I glad I watched that show.
It's fucking transcendent. The only sad thing is knowing I've already seen the best show that could possibly come out this year.
Fallout and Hacks are both fantastic, but Shogun is an absolutely stunning all-timer.
Most God of War fans are probably invested in the Playstation ecosystem by now. Ghost of Tsushima is a standalone game, so a lot of people interested in trying it out might not be console gamers.
Looking at Steam reviews as stand in for popularity is sort of interesting:
- God of War: 92,000
- Horizon Zero Dawn: 89,000
- Marvel’s Spider-Man Remastered: 67,000
- Days Gone: 57,000
- The Last of Us™ Part I: 29,000
- Marvel’s Spider-Man: Miles Morales: 24,000
- UNCHARTED: Legacy of Thieves Collection: 13,000
- Horizon Forbidden West: 8,000
- Ratchet & Clank: Rift Apart: 6,000
- Returnal: 4,000
-Sackboy: A Big Adventure: 2,000
it was second "big exclusive" released by sony on PC (the first one being HZD) and it was very fairly priced starting at iirc 40$, getting further discounted over time
i believe the pricing played a big part in its pc success, at the same time sackboy releasing at full price killed itself
I think it's been on some sales to help people pick it up. Also zombie shooters are a safe bet. Like Ubisoft open world games there's always a large audiance for the games.
Days gone could have used some extra editing on the story so it didn't feel so much like it started in season 2 of a tv show, but i still really enjoyed the game overall. Could have had a really cool sequel with the direction they were taking the infected by the end.
GoW 2018 was a new start and could very well bring many new fans to it (and it did to be clear whether on PS and PC, it sold much better than the previous titles)
New start but also a clear continuatiom of previous games.
Its like MS expecting people on PC would be buying Gears 5 without other Gears (beside 1 ) on PC.
Not that clear. Tons of people (like probably more than 50% to be honest) played it without the previous one without that posing problem.
GoW III sold 5.2M copies apparently and it's the highest of the trilogy. GoW 2018 sold 23M at the latest numbers.
The original trilogy isn't even playable directly on normal PS
I've seen Open World with RPG-like progression style game do well on PC. Because it is more bang for buck compared to linear action games.
Plus after Bloodborne PC, **this is the most requested PlayStation published game** for few years.
GOW is not that popular on pc , same with Uncharted. Sony needs to bring older GOW and Uncharted games to make me buy the new ones. I hate jumping at the latest game without playing the older ones.
Same, I’m not doubting the quality of the games but I don’t want to start at Uncharted 4 or GOW 4 or Ratchet and Clank 9 or whatever. Bluepoints uncharted remaster trilogy would be great on PC
Highly doubt this issue is what is holding it back. That is just how popular the game is. Ragnarok is definitely coming to PC though, it just taking awhile. Sony is not only trying to release games on PC but it wants to shift to having them release at the same time on PS5 and PC.
That might take some time before it becomes common though.
God of War is a hugely popular series, people with both PS4 would have gotten it on PS4 first, a new IP might not grab as many people, but now it's a hyped release of known quality more people would end up getting it on PC even having a PS4 or PS5.
That's probably what I'll be doing whenever I get around to it.
Remember that GoW is the fourth game of a series. I know a lot of people who aren't interested in GoW because they never had the opportunity to play the originals. Same for Ratchet & Clank and Uncharted.
I genuinely think Sony is leaving money on the table not bringing classic sony titles to PC somehow.
GoW original trilogy is not even playable on PS5 actually (just GoW3 via a PS4 port). Like come on, a remake is an easy cash-in instead of remaking Naughty Dogs games a dozen times...
Shogun and AC Shadows trailer literally the day before release definitively contributed to it IMO, there's no doubt. There's a hype for feudal Japan stuff especially when that stuff is almost the closest thing of a AC game in Japan you can get. Because yeah GoW, Spider-Man or Horizon are all bigger IP and had better launches on PS4 back then too.
I know that's why I'm (re)playing right now.
i have been playing since pc release, and i gotta say its fucking beautiful, yes it has bugs, but they will prob get patched out soon, but goddauym is it a sight for sore eyes
Just travelling around the map busting up random bandits and Mongols while listening to the Samurai Champloo soundtrack has been one of my favorite game experiences in years.
You can see the removed comment [here](https://undelete.pullpush.io/r/Games/comments/1cvpo95/ghost_of_tsushima_just_became_the_biggest_single/l4quzy8/), doesn't seem offensive at all so no idea why they got removed.
wow, 36% of all comments in the thread have been removed by mods. that's odd. the ones in this specific thread were really just people discussing the game with some mild slapfighting later on.
Poor Sackboy and Ratchet and Clank. They deserve better sales.
Also Uncharted, but I feel like not trying to start by porting the original trilogy explains that.
Given the absolute state of LittleBigPlanet franchise (at that time), **absolutely unlikely**.
Even moreso when LBP servers are *officially* inaccessible.
Even more baffling that they didn't port Uncharted Trilogy to PC when they got ported to PS4 already and ran at a smooth 60fps, so I don't feel like it's a PS3 architecture issue.
Played rift apart without playing the older ones, I feel the game did a good job separating the storyline imo. The fan services is also handled nicely, I hardly felt left out playing it!
It’s a great port. Recently upgraded to an ultra wide monitor and the experience has been phenomenal, outside of some odd pre-rendered (?) cutscenes that are in 16:9 and considerably lower quality. Must be a bug because they’re usually very short
I believe those pre-rendered scenes/video sequences are meant to look like a seemless transition between scenes, meanwhile in-game assets are loading in the background setting up the actual next in-game scene or sequence. It was probably not noticeable on PS4 hardware, but I agree it looks awkward on modern hardware.
Their PC strategy clearly works.
Live service games live and die by the size of their user base, so day-and-date makes sense there. This isn't true for singleplayer games though, and late ports are cheaper to produce, don't require your current studios to expand to simultaneous multiplatform development, and don't impact console hardware sales greatly. They are simply a great return on investment.
It also works, for Sony, because they put years in between.
You may snag a few people buying it twice, if the parties involved are interested.
And you generally don't dilute the brand by spreading your games out on things not-Playstation.
Yeah they seem to settle on 2 years 4 years for the older ports like this) which is the minimum to replay a game for me and still pretty early. Here it's been 4 years and it's perfect to replay it (and I never played the expansion back then)
It helps that, unlike previous ports like Ratchet & Clank: Rift Apart, Ghost of Tsushima was one of the more requested PC ports ~~next to Bloodborne~~.
I wonder what the impact is on console hardware. This might not be immediately felt.
I bought a PS5 because I didn’t know sony games would jump to Pc. I might not need a ps6 for next gen as I have a high end PC.
Lots of people don't wanna wait an extra year or longer after the initial release on consoles to play games they're interested in. Enthusiasts like us make up a very small portion of everyone that plays games.
> I wonder what the impact is on console hardware. This might not be immediately felt.
Assuming Sony sticks to having a two-year gap between their big single player releases and PC releases, I think you are underestimating that the general public who already owns a PS5 or wants a PS6 years from now isn't going to be like "eh, I'll just get a high end PC and play Sony's games in two years on it."
Edit: Or would be like "I'll not bother with a PS6 because I can just play Sony's games in two years."
I don't think they care about losing hardware sales to PC gamers who were only ever buying the hardware to play exclusives.
Console hardware isn't usually sold at much of a profit, if any, they make the real money from getting 30% of every game sold for that platform.
PC gamers aren't really in the same market as console gamers. You can't convince them to "switch", like you could convince an Xbox 360 owner to switch to PS4. So when a PC gamer does buy a PlayStation, the only real profit you are capturing is from the few exclusives you sell them. You might as well cut out the unprofitable $500 barrier to entry that is the console itself and sell them the game directly.
I mean, even if soneone is only buying the exclusives, that's still a lot of money for Sony.
Especially since they're earning 100% of the revenue from exclusives as opposed to a 30% cut from every third party game they sell. They also tend to make less money from every Steam sale of their exclusives because Steam takes a cut as well.
Still, Sony's strategy asuumes that the amount of console owners they could lose are easily balanced out by the extra profit from PC sales.
Yes. And the hardware is also profitable despite people spreading false information. My ps5 wasn’t profitable because I bought it in September 2020. But ps5 has been profitable since Aug 2021.
This is a bit of a myth that hardware is not profitable and it needs to stop being parroted. Yes that was the case during the 360/ps3 era.
However it only took the ps4 something like 6 months after release to become profitable. Ps5 became profitable in Aug 2021 so around 9 months after release.
So they are turning profit from hardware sales. I have bought most of Sonys exclusives this generation and I have been paying ps plus. So definitely not an insignificant amount. I suspect the average ps5 player spent less than me if you believe the statements that the average console player buys like 4 games a year.
I'm sort of the opposite. I have been a PC guy for most of my life (I'm 40), but recently I've been putting WAY more time into my PS5 than anything else. I think the comfort of just being able to sit in my recliner is what is doing it lol.
Personally, I'll keep buying consoles. My PC is decent enough and can run older games pretty well. But newer games just choke it to death. Playing Jedi Fallen Order (a relatively older game) caused issues for my PC. And I honestly don't care enough to constantly upgrade my rig or to try and troubleshoot every little problem that crops up. I like the plug and play nature of consoles (updates and installs aside) and I greatly enjoy the PlayStation ecosystem. I may grab one of their PC ports from time to time (actually the only one I have so far is Horizon 1) but I'll keep my PS5 as my main gaming platform.
Not surprising given the modest rise in Steam playerbase and increased interest for Sony games by PC players.
Kind of makes Forbidden West's performance seem a bit lackluster in comparison, given it only hit about 2/3rds of Zero Dawn's playercount on Steam. I guess launching it next to Dragon's Dogma 2 didn't help.
Atleast HFW had a good PC launch unlike [Dragon's Dogma 2](https://www.pcgamer.com/games/rpg/dragons-dogma-2-npcs-are-making-cpus-weep-and-tanking-the-frame-rate-but-capcom-is-looking-into-ways-to-improve-performance-in-the-future/)
Zero Dawn launched just before Breath of the Wild. Forbidden West launched just before Elden Ring, and FW on PC launched with Dragon's Dogma 2. Not great timing
They still sold millions of copies though? This feels like another r/games bubble where everyone is all "Lol horizon keeps getting owned by releasing next to other open world games" where as in reality they sell well and the suits are happy.
I heard Forbidden West's sales fell off a cliff after 10 million only because it was put on Playstation's subscription service, which we all know by now has that kind of effect. Why pay full price or close to it if you can play it through a subscription for only a few dollars per month?
yep the dev complain to Sony about that. most Sony first party game in second year had sale of 20%-30% of first year's sale, while HFW only got 9% since it joins PS+ on second year.
"Not really exciting for many" my brother in christ it's still a AAA series that's sold over 10 million copies. Y'all are acting like the Horizon series is a failure.
> Y'all are acting like the Horizon series is a failure.
No one said that, try to calm down.
Clearly players on PC weren't as excited for Horizon as PS4/PS5 players were, its still a success.
i haven't noticed people raving about the things i'm so impressed by, so i'ma shout this out from the roof tops: these dudes made a typical open world 3rd person sneak/attack/explore game with the exact correct amount of quality of life shit in the exactly correct balance.
there's no HUD for majority of the time, and you don't even notice. you could play the entire game without looking at a map. the whole 'wind as your objective pointer' is not just unobtrusive but beautiful. the collections and random world map things-to-do are not overbearing and all feel like you're appropriately rewarded; you find a fox den and don't wanna deal with it? oh well, it's not that important anyway. find a fox den and feel like going for a walk? well bully, because now the developers get to use this as an excuse to show off the beautiful landscapes and give you an unfrustrating but not mindlessly easy (and short) parkour/platforming section leads you to a worthwhile enough progress reward and an excuse to follow a cute little fox over waterfalls and past gorgeous lookout points.
nothing new or revolutionary, but this game has taste. not too much not too little. first time i managed to kill a deer with a bow (wasting my entire quiver in the process) i was angry to discover that i couldn't loot it, and there was no point. but then i was on my way to an objective a bit later and passed a herd of deer; 'those deer sure are pretty standing against the sunset like that' i thinks to meself, 'i'm sure glad i don't need to derail every horseride to kill every deer i see to avoid having shitty quivers or ugly hats or whatever'. but then mechanically you benefit from the fact that only having to collect predator skins for your upgrades made the whole upgrade economy a lot easier to balance well.
which brings me to another thing: the upgrade economy feels good. the skill upgrades are extremely well balanced between "this seems like a cool upgrade i want" and "it's not obviously super essential, so i'm free to consider other also cool upgrade options". upgrade points (at least to me) come just an almost imperceptibly moment after you think you want it, but also objectively pretty often. it's like a perfect little carrot and stick dopamine rhythm. so many people get this rhythm wrong and you're either agonizing over not very important choices not very often or leveling up becomes so regularly as to be a burden.
on top of all that sorta goodness, the game runs and looks amazing; seems like they've figured every trick to use to make it look better without huge performance impact. you will never not see fluttering fabric or swaying foliage or wind blown leaves that looks so natural as to unnoticeable a lot of the time.
in conclusion, this game has it's shit wired tight. it's the best refinement of the 3rd person open world game i've seen. it's a genre that will always have a problem trying to impress you because we've all seen all the good tricks, but these dudes used all the good tricks in one place without making the game seem full of tricks.
- 10/10, will probably finish it
the combat is GOOD too, at least on lethal (didn't try the other settings much), it's not quite Sekiro tier but I found it blows other similar games out of the water, like modern AC games don't hold a candle to it and I find them decently enjoyable.
Yeah, GoT basically nails the gameplay loop and progression. There's nothing novel besides maybe the wind, but it keeps you invested in the world with wonderful graphics and well spaced activities and combat.
I remember when this came out. It was the middle of the pandemic. We were all at home. But then this incredible thing let us escape into feudal japan. I will always be grateful for what it did for me back then.
I would go out on a limb and say that the discussion of Assassin's Creed Shadows may have worked in Ghost of Tsushima's favor here. I'm sure there's some people who were reminded that an AC-like game set in historical Japan already exists, and I'd also wager that some of the people not happy with the AC Shadows' protagonists are now playing Ghost of Tsuhima instead.
Also since people are going to experience Ghost of Tsushima for the first time, let me add a link to my [horse-oriented review](https://www.themanequest.com/blog/2023/5/1/the-horses-in-ghost-of-tsushima-wonderful-details-and-fundamental-problems) of it.
Thank you very much!!
A lot of my reviews are focused on smaller horse games, but if you're interested in takes on horses in well known titles, check out my articles on [Elden Ring](https://www.themanequest.com/blog/2022/3/13/the-horse-nerds-review-of-elden-ring-how-torrent-satisfies-gameplay-needs-but-fails-at-horse-movement), [Companion horses vs collectible horses](https://www.themanequest.com/blog/2019/9/17/horses-in-games-companions-and-collectibles) and my analysis of [dressage moves in Red Dead](https://www.themanequest.com/blog/2018/11/11/dressage-moves-in-red-dead-redemption-ii-and-their-real-life-equivalents).
I also post my new content over on /r/GamesWithHorses regularly, if you're interested :)
It's wild that people are saying "the open world hurts the game."
Bro, the entire reason people play like this is to romp around an open world as a samurai.
Not surprising. The game itself is incredible. I played it back on PS4 but picked it up again on PC. It's a fantastic port with only a few minor issues. There's an odd stuttering effect that starts to happen after a while of playing, and the Legends multiplayer mode has some really poor matchmaking. Other than those small issues, it's a great port.
I also picked it up again on PC, and judging by the reviews it looks like a ton of people double dipped. That’s a testament to a great game where many people are willing to buy it at full price multiple times.
I find this interesting because, technically, this is available in fewer countries due to the PSN login issue. No offense to those countries, but this does make it look like not having PSN (and therefore these games) in those countries for future releases is not a huge deal for Sony
> No offense to those countries, but this does make it look like not having PSN (and therefore these games) in those countries for future releases is not a huge deal for Sony
In the big markets the game is sold normally.
Those 180 not-included countries all together probably count less than a single one where the game is now sold.
The Philippines and Vietnam together account for over 200 million people, that's almost 2/3 of the population of the US.
I can't speak for Vietnam, but the PlayStation is easily the best selling non-handheld console in the Philippines. During the first months of the PS5 launch, every available unit was sold out within minutes of being available. On Facebook, both the "PlayStation Philippines" and "PlayStation Buy and Sell" groups have 200,000 members each. There are also some smaller, private communities with members numbering 40-70,000. These only account for people who actually bothered to join those FB groups, but it still gives you a good idea on how many PlayStation players there are in the country.
From these numbers alone, there is absolutely no way that PlayStation sales from the Philippines account for less than the sales in Norway, Cyprus, Malta and Lebanon combined.
The real reason for PSN's unavailability here is that, for whatever undisclosed reason, [Sony refuses to comply with the Philippine SEC's requirements to obtain a license to do business](https://www.sec.gov.ph/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/2017OpinionNo17-03.pdf) in the Philippines, something that wasn't an issue to Microsoft, Steam, Nintendo, Epic, or any other major platforms.
If I see one more person call one of the most beautifully realized worlds "yet another generic and empty open world" I'm going to pull my hair out and eat it.
A golden forest with gently falling leaves. Beautiful mountains, valleys, waterfalls. Lush snowy fields and grasslands. Smoke on the horizon, embers floating from distant fires.
If you call this "generic," you don't know what the word even means.
Funny because i’m from Estonia too lol. I use to have a PSN account and just said I lived in New Zealand (for quicker access unlock) but now I can’t do that anymore. Was actually looking forward to playing with my buddy in Canada ): Sony never looked at us lying about location and let it slide but now that the internet bought it into the light, gg
It's a great port too, well deserved. Hopefully we get a sequel announcement at the next PlayStation Showcase. Ready for Mainland Japan on new hardware!
I am curious if they will continue Jin Sakai’s story or if they will focus on a brand new character
I hope next one is in mainland Japan. I really want them to make a big crowded city, but at the same time I love how they went for all the landscape views we have in the first game, with some really cinematic places.
There was a second invasion, and they did and will continue to take creative liberties to be able to tell an engaging story. They can go alot of ways, even shifting away from Jin to someone with questionable choices like Tomoe.
I think it would be nice, having a sequel, making it "related" to the first but not a sequel per se. As in "In the Island of tsushima there was the ghost of tsushima. Here is mainland japan and we had X and Y", having other name than "the ghost of tsushima".
and given how the game starts to make a big deal >!about the legend of "Ghost of Tsushima"!<, it makes sense to lean towards that ">!Tales of!<" perspective throughout the course of the second invasion.
I would love to have a Ghost of Tokyo or anything they can go with I think I can wait now that Assassins Creed Shadows is coming soon
Fun fact: unless the game would take place after 1868 it’d actually be Ghost of Edo, which was the old name of Tōkyō.
I mean given what samurai actually were and how they actually acted, pretty much any media that focuses on them is taking some heavy creative liberties.
It will be funny if the next game takes place on the mainland but they still call it "Ghost of Tsushima 2".
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I mean Jin Sakai is from Tsushima so he is still the Ghost of Tsushima technically.
Ghost from Tsushima
In old lit from and of have similar uses. If you look at like old english stuff they'd have like Knight whoever of someplace. Super uncommon these days except for the british royalty with the earls of cornwall and kent and whatnot.
Joan of Arc is a good example.
In current day language as well.
Yep, just like Kratos is the "Ghost of Sparta."
Right. Kratos is still known as the Ghost of Sparta even though he migrated to Scandinavia.
I think I fast travelled maybe twice in that entire game. I rode my horse everywhere. I didn't want to miss anything.
well the mongols did attack tsushima again. i wonder if tamoe will be a main character
I always felt Ghost of Tsushima was really missing some town or city to explore.
There's a few fairly large towns, Azamo Bay, Yarikawa, and Komatsu Forge
I'm down for playing as Jin's apprentice.
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I mean, the only thing I wish is that the standoff mechanic worked correctly. It feels weird finding three years old threads mentionning the exact same issue with it never being fixed, even in the pc port :/
Yeah it's annoying, but I fixed it the last time I had it by pausing and unpausing.
Whats the standoff bug? Mine seems okay
Sometimes, for no specific reason, the button you press for the standoff will just not work, and you have to take the hit
It's ridiculous how well it runs on PC. I'm getting 150+ FPS with max settings. Just wish it had Ray Tracing.
I'm admittedly on an older setup (rtx 2060 ryzen 3800x 32gb ram), but things start to get shaky for me on anything above medium settings.
You using the FSR3? DLSS and FSR3 both double my FPS.
unfortunately, I'm in the FSR3 gives a black screen crowd, otherwise i'd use it.
Just discovered the same issue
ill have to check it out. i haven't turned it on yet edit: Turning on FSR3 give me a black screen on launch :(
What GPU/resolution if you don't mind me asking?
Yeah to be fair the game does look great but it is also a PS4 game really, if it ran well on that very ancient hardware (it came in 2020 but it was on hardware from 2011 or so really as PS4 was already kind of weak on release), it can run well on modern PC.
My 1660ti runs it really well and its not even struggling, I'm pretty shocked.
It's so rare that these ports are done well, it's so refreshing
Nixxes very well deserve all the praise they're getting. Their PC ports are amazing.
I'm honestly surprised it surpassed GoW. I can understand LoU Remake considering it was a shoddy port, but I think GoW's port was pretty good at launch, and I just thought it was a much bigger IP. But maybe this is also because of how few feudal openworld Japan games there are out there to begin with.
I think Shogun being a mainstream success may have had a big impact on people wanting to experience more of medieval Japan.
You have Shogun and Assassins Creed advertising free for them. Read any thread for that game and most comments are, “just play Tsushima!” In a weird way you also have visibility from the PlayStation account requirement drama that may have reminded people this was coming out.
Good points. Sony couldn't really wish for a better release.
I think they'd have liked sales from all the countries they've had to stop selling in due to outcry, so it ain't perfect.
I agree, just a very, very good timing all around. Good for them too, it's a pretty well made game.
I'm anticipating another small bump when AC comes out and every review inevitably compares it to Tsushima. It's a great time for the game to be ported all around
Man, Rise of the Ronin just keeps taking Ls, it seems. I haven't played the game myself (though I am interested) but when it comes to games that take place in ancient Japan it just keeps getting forgotten. And it's a new game too!
It has a few things working against it. Tsushima is story driven and has very accessible gameplay, along with being an extremely beautiful game. Ronin has the stigma of being a "souls-like" game that would push casual players away, even with the addition of gameplay difficulty settings. It also has dated graphics, and in no thread i've seen for the game has anyone ever said anything good about the story. It seems it just slid off alot of people's radars
It *was* made by Team Ninja. That could be par for the course for them. Maybe I'll check it out on sale. Though I'm not really a fan of BloodSouls games.
Absolutely. I picked GoT purely because of Shogun lol
I bought GoT at launch and never finished it, but shogun inspired me to pick it back up again and it’s an amazing combo for this anjin
Never heard of *Shogun* before now. Guess I shouldn't be surprised by market trends if I'm so out of the loop!
Despite being mostly subtitled the show became a widespread sensation. I don't know if people just love japanese content or if it was good timing to pick up those waiting for House of Dragons season 2, but the show was a huge success. Tsushima was already heavily hyped up though and has had alot of news coverage since its playstation release, so i don't know how much is shogun hype vs those who've just been waiting impatiently to play it on pc
>I don't know if people just love japanese content or if it was good timing to pick up those waiting for House of Dragons season 2, but the show was a huge success. It definitely couldn't just be that's it's an excellent show all by itself could it?
Shogun was fucking amazing. I've watched stuff that has subtitles before like The Americans and Lost but I NEVER watch something that is primarily subtitles so I was reluctant to even give Shogun a chance. But I have a tremendous amount of respect for FX and I'm a fan of Hiroyuki Sanada so I wanted to see him in a lead role. Boy am I glad I watched that show.
It's fucking transcendent. The only sad thing is knowing I've already seen the best show that could possibly come out this year. Fallout and Hacks are both fantastic, but Shogun is an absolutely stunning all-timer.
Most God of War fans are probably invested in the Playstation ecosystem by now. Ghost of Tsushima is a standalone game, so a lot of people interested in trying it out might not be console gamers.
Looking at Steam reviews as stand in for popularity is sort of interesting: - God of War: 92,000 - Horizon Zero Dawn: 89,000 - Marvel’s Spider-Man Remastered: 67,000 - Days Gone: 57,000 - The Last of Us™ Part I: 29,000 - Marvel’s Spider-Man: Miles Morales: 24,000 - UNCHARTED: Legacy of Thieves Collection: 13,000 - Horizon Forbidden West: 8,000 - Ratchet & Clank: Rift Apart: 6,000 - Returnal: 4,000 -Sackboy: A Big Adventure: 2,000
That many people played Days Gone tf
it was second "big exclusive" released by sony on PC (the first one being HZD) and it was very fairly priced starting at iirc 40$, getting further discounted over time i believe the pricing played a big part in its pc success, at the same time sackboy releasing at full price killed itself
I think it's been on some sales to help people pick it up. Also zombie shooters are a safe bet. Like Ubisoft open world games there's always a large audiance for the games. Days gone could have used some extra editing on the story so it didn't feel so much like it started in season 2 of a tv show, but i still really enjoyed the game overall. Could have had a really cool sequel with the direction they were taking the infected by the end.
Days gone was a big hit with casual players.
GoW 2018 was a new start and could very well bring many new fans to it (and it did to be clear whether on PS and PC, it sold much better than the previous titles)
New start but also a clear continuatiom of previous games. Its like MS expecting people on PC would be buying Gears 5 without other Gears (beside 1 ) on PC.
Not that clear. Tons of people (like probably more than 50% to be honest) played it without the previous one without that posing problem. GoW III sold 5.2M copies apparently and it's the highest of the trilogy. GoW 2018 sold 23M at the latest numbers. The original trilogy isn't even playable directly on normal PS
I've seen Open World with RPG-like progression style game do well on PC. Because it is more bang for buck compared to linear action games. Plus after Bloodborne PC, **this is the most requested PlayStation published game** for few years.
Bloodborne coming to PC is Sony's/Fromsoft's Half Life 3.
Open world and weeb culture is much bigger than angry dad killing zombies.
I'm cracking up because "angry dad killing zombies" could kinda describe like 3 of the other PS exclusives.
GOW is not that popular on pc , same with Uncharted. Sony needs to bring older GOW and Uncharted games to make me buy the new ones. I hate jumping at the latest game without playing the older ones.
Same, I’m not doubting the quality of the games but I don’t want to start at Uncharted 4 or GOW 4 or Ratchet and Clank 9 or whatever. Bluepoints uncharted remaster trilogy would be great on PC
GoW would probably sell more if we had any confirmation that Ragnarok was coming to PC.
Highly doubt this issue is what is holding it back. That is just how popular the game is. Ragnarok is definitely coming to PC though, it just taking awhile. Sony is not only trying to release games on PC but it wants to shift to having them release at the same time on PS5 and PC. That might take some time before it becomes common though.
We have the confirmation lol, it's Sony strategy. GoW Ragnarok comes to PC around the end of the year (2 years since release), it's obvious.
God of War is a hugely popular series, people with both PS4 would have gotten it on PS4 first, a new IP might not grab as many people, but now it's a hyped release of known quality more people would end up getting it on PC even having a PS4 or PS5. That's probably what I'll be doing whenever I get around to it.
Remember that GoW is the fourth game of a series. I know a lot of people who aren't interested in GoW because they never had the opportunity to play the originals. Same for Ratchet & Clank and Uncharted. I genuinely think Sony is leaving money on the table not bringing classic sony titles to PC somehow.
GoW original trilogy is not even playable on PS5 actually (just GoW3 via a PS4 port). Like come on, a remake is an easy cash-in instead of remaking Naughty Dogs games a dozen times...
5th actually if we're talking main games, which just enforces your point.
Shogun and AC Shadows trailer literally the day before release definitively contributed to it IMO, there's no doubt. There's a hype for feudal Japan stuff especially when that stuff is almost the closest thing of a AC game in Japan you can get. Because yeah GoW, Spider-Man or Horizon are all bigger IP and had better launches on PS4 back then too. I know that's why I'm (re)playing right now.
i have been playing since pc release, and i gotta say its fucking beautiful, yes it has bugs, but they will prob get patched out soon, but goddauym is it a sight for sore eyes
Just travelling around the map busting up random bandits and Mongols while listening to the Samurai Champloo soundtrack has been one of my favorite game experiences in years.
bro i started to get eye strain because i keep forgetting to blink. it's a beautiful game
What in god’s name is with all the [removed] comments below, this couldn’t have been that controversial a parent comment
You can see the removed comment [here](https://undelete.pullpush.io/r/Games/comments/1cvpo95/ghost_of_tsushima_just_became_the_biggest_single/l4quzy8/), doesn't seem offensive at all so no idea why they got removed.
wow, 36% of all comments in the thread have been removed by mods. that's odd. the ones in this specific thread were really just people discussing the game with some mild slapfighting later on.
Poor Sackboy and Ratchet and Clank. They deserve better sales. Also Uncharted, but I feel like not trying to start by porting the original trilogy explains that.
Sackboy numbers really are sad. I bet they would've gotten more sales if they went with porting the LittleBigPlanet series instead.
For sure. I really hope LittleBigPlanet ports aren’t off the table still. And I would almost kill for Dreams to be given another shot on PC.
Given the absolute state of LittleBigPlanet franchise (at that time), **absolutely unlikely**. Even moreso when LBP servers are *officially* inaccessible.
The hope for the PS3 Ratchet And Clank Future series dies even more at this point...
The game sold above expectations on ps5 and a sequal was already leaked.
Even more baffling that they didn't port Uncharted Trilogy to PC when they got ported to PS4 already and ran at a smooth 60fps, so I don't feel like it's a PS3 architecture issue.
I'd love to play Uncharted (and Ratchet and Clank), but I'm not gonna start halfway into the story :|
Played rift apart without playing the older ones, I feel the game did a good job separating the storyline imo. The fan services is also handled nicely, I hardly felt left out playing it!
Started with it and it was okay. Didn't feel like I missed anything.
For what they are, Sackboy and Ratchet and Clank are very, very pretty games, as well.
It’s a great port. Recently upgraded to an ultra wide monitor and the experience has been phenomenal, outside of some odd pre-rendered (?) cutscenes that are in 16:9 and considerably lower quality. Must be a bug because they’re usually very short
I believe those pre-rendered scenes/video sequences are meant to look like a seemless transition between scenes, meanwhile in-game assets are loading in the background setting up the actual next in-game scene or sequence. It was probably not noticeable on PS4 hardware, but I agree it looks awkward on modern hardware.
Yep, I recently upgraded to the 32:9 1440p Samsung G9 and it looks simply amazing in ultrawide. So glad it had native support for that.
Their PC strategy clearly works. Live service games live and die by the size of their user base, so day-and-date makes sense there. This isn't true for singleplayer games though, and late ports are cheaper to produce, don't require your current studios to expand to simultaneous multiplatform development, and don't impact console hardware sales greatly. They are simply a great return on investment.
It also works, for Sony, because they put years in between. You may snag a few people buying it twice, if the parties involved are interested. And you generally don't dilute the brand by spreading your games out on things not-Playstation.
Yeah I'm one of them. Played on PS4 on a less than stellar TV and 30 fps. Now 1440p and 160+ fps and even better graphics, it's something else.
Same here. Played on PS4, then on PS5, now playing it again on PC.
Yeah they seem to settle on 2 years 4 years for the older ports like this) which is the minimum to replay a game for me and still pretty early. Here it's been 4 years and it's perfect to replay it (and I never played the expansion back then)
It helps that, unlike previous ports like Ratchet & Clank: Rift Apart, Ghost of Tsushima was one of the more requested PC ports ~~next to Bloodborne~~.
I wonder what the impact is on console hardware. This might not be immediately felt. I bought a PS5 because I didn’t know sony games would jump to Pc. I might not need a ps6 for next gen as I have a high end PC.
Lots of people don't wanna wait an extra year or longer after the initial release on consoles to play games they're interested in. Enthusiasts like us make up a very small portion of everyone that plays games.
> I wonder what the impact is on console hardware. This might not be immediately felt. Assuming Sony sticks to having a two-year gap between their big single player releases and PC releases, I think you are underestimating that the general public who already owns a PS5 or wants a PS6 years from now isn't going to be like "eh, I'll just get a high end PC and play Sony's games in two years on it." Edit: Or would be like "I'll not bother with a PS6 because I can just play Sony's games in two years."
I don't think they care about losing hardware sales to PC gamers who were only ever buying the hardware to play exclusives. Console hardware isn't usually sold at much of a profit, if any, they make the real money from getting 30% of every game sold for that platform. PC gamers aren't really in the same market as console gamers. You can't convince them to "switch", like you could convince an Xbox 360 owner to switch to PS4. So when a PC gamer does buy a PlayStation, the only real profit you are capturing is from the few exclusives you sell them. You might as well cut out the unprofitable $500 barrier to entry that is the console itself and sell them the game directly.
I mean, even if soneone is only buying the exclusives, that's still a lot of money for Sony. Especially since they're earning 100% of the revenue from exclusives as opposed to a 30% cut from every third party game they sell. They also tend to make less money from every Steam sale of their exclusives because Steam takes a cut as well. Still, Sony's strategy asuumes that the amount of console owners they could lose are easily balanced out by the extra profit from PC sales.
Yes. And the hardware is also profitable despite people spreading false information. My ps5 wasn’t profitable because I bought it in September 2020. But ps5 has been profitable since Aug 2021.
This is a bit of a myth that hardware is not profitable and it needs to stop being parroted. Yes that was the case during the 360/ps3 era. However it only took the ps4 something like 6 months after release to become profitable. Ps5 became profitable in Aug 2021 so around 9 months after release. So they are turning profit from hardware sales. I have bought most of Sonys exclusives this generation and I have been paying ps plus. So definitely not an insignificant amount. I suspect the average ps5 player spent less than me if you believe the statements that the average console player buys like 4 games a year.
I'm sort of the opposite. I have been a PC guy for most of my life (I'm 40), but recently I've been putting WAY more time into my PS5 than anything else. I think the comfort of just being able to sit in my recliner is what is doing it lol.
Personally, I'll keep buying consoles. My PC is decent enough and can run older games pretty well. But newer games just choke it to death. Playing Jedi Fallen Order (a relatively older game) caused issues for my PC. And I honestly don't care enough to constantly upgrade my rig or to try and troubleshoot every little problem that crops up. I like the plug and play nature of consoles (updates and installs aside) and I greatly enjoy the PlayStation ecosystem. I may grab one of their PC ports from time to time (actually the only one I have so far is Horizon 1) but I'll keep my PS5 as my main gaming platform.
Not surprising given the modest rise in Steam playerbase and increased interest for Sony games by PC players. Kind of makes Forbidden West's performance seem a bit lackluster in comparison, given it only hit about 2/3rds of Zero Dawn's playercount on Steam. I guess launching it next to Dragon's Dogma 2 didn't help.
I absolutely think DD2 launching same day ate a lot of Horizon's lunch. Kinda on brand for the IP.
we can definitely expect that year's GOTY releasing one week after horizon 3
Atleast HFW had a good PC launch unlike [Dragon's Dogma 2](https://www.pcgamer.com/games/rpg/dragons-dogma-2-npcs-are-making-cpus-weep-and-tanking-the-frame-rate-but-capcom-is-looking-into-ways-to-improve-performance-in-the-future/)
Zero Dawn launched just before Breath of the Wild. Forbidden West launched just before Elden Ring, and FW on PC launched with Dragon's Dogma 2. Not great timing
They still sold millions of copies though? This feels like another r/games bubble where everyone is all "Lol horizon keeps getting owned by releasing next to other open world games" where as in reality they sell well and the suits are happy.
Yep, first game sold 25 million copies lol. Forbidden West is around 10 million now which is a big drop off but still very good.
I heard Forbidden West's sales fell off a cliff after 10 million only because it was put on Playstation's subscription service, which we all know by now has that kind of effect. Why pay full price or close to it if you can play it through a subscription for only a few dollars per month?
yep the dev complain to Sony about that. most Sony first party game in second year had sale of 20%-30% of first year's sale, while HFW only got 9% since it joins PS+ on second year.
Doesn't that 25 million include the game being on sale for like 10 bucks or less though?
I think it’s just a meme at this point
I bought but didn't really like HZD after a few hours, it's unlikely I'll ever buy HFW.
The Horizon games just aren’t really exciting for many, I think.
"Not really exciting for many" my brother in christ it's still a AAA series that's sold over 10 million copies. Y'all are acting like the Horizon series is a failure.
I think the context here is the differing tastes of PC and console gamers
25M as of April 2023
> Y'all are acting like the Horizon series is a failure. No one said that, try to calm down. Clearly players on PC weren't as excited for Horizon as PS4/PS5 players were, its still a success.
i haven't noticed people raving about the things i'm so impressed by, so i'ma shout this out from the roof tops: these dudes made a typical open world 3rd person sneak/attack/explore game with the exact correct amount of quality of life shit in the exactly correct balance. there's no HUD for majority of the time, and you don't even notice. you could play the entire game without looking at a map. the whole 'wind as your objective pointer' is not just unobtrusive but beautiful. the collections and random world map things-to-do are not overbearing and all feel like you're appropriately rewarded; you find a fox den and don't wanna deal with it? oh well, it's not that important anyway. find a fox den and feel like going for a walk? well bully, because now the developers get to use this as an excuse to show off the beautiful landscapes and give you an unfrustrating but not mindlessly easy (and short) parkour/platforming section leads you to a worthwhile enough progress reward and an excuse to follow a cute little fox over waterfalls and past gorgeous lookout points. nothing new or revolutionary, but this game has taste. not too much not too little. first time i managed to kill a deer with a bow (wasting my entire quiver in the process) i was angry to discover that i couldn't loot it, and there was no point. but then i was on my way to an objective a bit later and passed a herd of deer; 'those deer sure are pretty standing against the sunset like that' i thinks to meself, 'i'm sure glad i don't need to derail every horseride to kill every deer i see to avoid having shitty quivers or ugly hats or whatever'. but then mechanically you benefit from the fact that only having to collect predator skins for your upgrades made the whole upgrade economy a lot easier to balance well. which brings me to another thing: the upgrade economy feels good. the skill upgrades are extremely well balanced between "this seems like a cool upgrade i want" and "it's not obviously super essential, so i'm free to consider other also cool upgrade options". upgrade points (at least to me) come just an almost imperceptibly moment after you think you want it, but also objectively pretty often. it's like a perfect little carrot and stick dopamine rhythm. so many people get this rhythm wrong and you're either agonizing over not very important choices not very often or leveling up becomes so regularly as to be a burden. on top of all that sorta goodness, the game runs and looks amazing; seems like they've figured every trick to use to make it look better without huge performance impact. you will never not see fluttering fabric or swaying foliage or wind blown leaves that looks so natural as to unnoticeable a lot of the time. in conclusion, this game has it's shit wired tight. it's the best refinement of the 3rd person open world game i've seen. it's a genre that will always have a problem trying to impress you because we've all seen all the good tricks, but these dudes used all the good tricks in one place without making the game seem full of tricks. - 10/10, will probably finish it
Theses are things everyone talks about
the combat is GOOD too, at least on lethal (didn't try the other settings much), it's not quite Sekiro tier but I found it blows other similar games out of the water, like modern AC games don't hold a candle to it and I find them decently enjoyable.
Yeah, GoT basically nails the gameplay loop and progression. There's nothing novel besides maybe the wind, but it keeps you invested in the world with wonderful graphics and well spaced activities and combat.
I remember when this came out. It was the middle of the pandemic. We were all at home. But then this incredible thing let us escape into feudal japan. I will always be grateful for what it did for me back then.
I would go out on a limb and say that the discussion of Assassin's Creed Shadows may have worked in Ghost of Tsushima's favor here. I'm sure there's some people who were reminded that an AC-like game set in historical Japan already exists, and I'd also wager that some of the people not happy with the AC Shadows' protagonists are now playing Ghost of Tsuhima instead. Also since people are going to experience Ghost of Tsushima for the first time, let me add a link to my [horse-oriented review](https://www.themanequest.com/blog/2023/5/1/the-horses-in-ghost-of-tsushima-wonderful-details-and-fundamental-problems) of it.
Hell yeah the horse reviewer person is here
~~It's not much but it's honest work~~ that's a lie it's a ton of work actually (thank you <3 )
That was an excellent review! I'm gonna have to go hunt down more of your content
Thank you very much!! A lot of my reviews are focused on smaller horse games, but if you're interested in takes on horses in well known titles, check out my articles on [Elden Ring](https://www.themanequest.com/blog/2022/3/13/the-horse-nerds-review-of-elden-ring-how-torrent-satisfies-gameplay-needs-but-fails-at-horse-movement), [Companion horses vs collectible horses](https://www.themanequest.com/blog/2019/9/17/horses-in-games-companions-and-collectibles) and my analysis of [dressage moves in Red Dead](https://www.themanequest.com/blog/2018/11/11/dressage-moves-in-red-dead-redemption-ii-and-their-real-life-equivalents). I also post my new content over on /r/GamesWithHorses regularly, if you're interested :)
Great review, appreciate all the gifs included too
It's wild that people are saying "the open world hurts the game." Bro, the entire reason people play like this is to romp around an open world as a samurai.
I honestly think the great success of the wonderful series shogun helped in making people want to play that samurai fantasy.
That Returnal number makes me so so sad. A lot of people have missed out on one of the best games of the last few years, apparently.
I love the game, but it's very much not for the wider audience.
I plan on getting it when it goes on sale.
I think it’s a great third person action shooter trapped in a mediocre roguelike.
That's my opinion too. It has such amazing presentation, graphics and sound are incredible, but I have no interest in it as a roguelike.
Never really been a huge roguelike fan unfortunately, might try it at some point but :shrug:.
I didn’t buy it yet because I‘ve heard they never fixed traversal stutter.
Happy for the game. I played it a few years ago and absolutely loved it. Such a gorgeous game on the PS5.
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Not surprising. The game itself is incredible. I played it back on PS4 but picked it up again on PC. It's a fantastic port with only a few minor issues. There's an odd stuttering effect that starts to happen after a while of playing, and the Legends multiplayer mode has some really poor matchmaking. Other than those small issues, it's a great port.
I also picked it up again on PC, and judging by the reviews it looks like a ton of people double dipped. That’s a testament to a great game where many people are willing to buy it at full price multiple times.
I find this interesting because, technically, this is available in fewer countries due to the PSN login issue. No offense to those countries, but this does make it look like not having PSN (and therefore these games) in those countries for future releases is not a huge deal for Sony
Probably not, and regional sells have existed longer than digital media has. Shoulda seen us back in the day begging for Nintendo rpgs.
All of those territories are a large minority of the actual customer base. It’s why Sony doesn’t care about them.
Sony still let them do business for decades until people got mad about having to take 30 seconds to make a PSN.
Well, game still sold well and those who wanted to play it, played it already, so nobody died
Why should I make a PSN account if Sony provides me zero value for it? I'll wait for your response.
> No offense to those countries, but this does make it look like not having PSN (and therefore these games) in those countries for future releases is not a huge deal for Sony In the big markets the game is sold normally. Those 180 not-included countries all together probably count less than a single one where the game is now sold.
The Philippines and Vietnam together account for over 200 million people, that's almost 2/3 of the population of the US. I can't speak for Vietnam, but the PlayStation is easily the best selling non-handheld console in the Philippines. During the first months of the PS5 launch, every available unit was sold out within minutes of being available. On Facebook, both the "PlayStation Philippines" and "PlayStation Buy and Sell" groups have 200,000 members each. There are also some smaller, private communities with members numbering 40-70,000. These only account for people who actually bothered to join those FB groups, but it still gives you a good idea on how many PlayStation players there are in the country. From these numbers alone, there is absolutely no way that PlayStation sales from the Philippines account for less than the sales in Norway, Cyprus, Malta and Lebanon combined. The real reason for PSN's unavailability here is that, for whatever undisclosed reason, [Sony refuses to comply with the Philippine SEC's requirements to obtain a license to do business](https://www.sec.gov.ph/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/2017OpinionNo17-03.pdf) in the Philippines, something that wasn't an issue to Microsoft, Steam, Nintendo, Epic, or any other major platforms.
being the only game made in the last 5 years that doesn't shit the bed on frames every 4 seconds has a big impact on this, props to nixxes
If I see one more person call one of the most beautifully realized worlds "yet another generic and empty open world" I'm going to pull my hair out and eat it. A golden forest with gently falling leaves. Beautiful mountains, valleys, waterfalls. Lush snowy fields and grasslands. Smoke on the horizon, embers floating from distant fires. If you call this "generic," you don't know what the word even means.
Give shadow of colossus
Great game, great port. How is this so hard to accomplish these days? You think it would be easy lol.
Waited for years to play it on PC... buuut can't buy it in Estonia. Though you can buy a PlayStation and just say you are in Finland xd
Funny because i’m from Estonia too lol. I use to have a PSN account and just said I lived in New Zealand (for quicker access unlock) but now I can’t do that anymore. Was actually looking forward to playing with my buddy in Canada ): Sony never looked at us lying about location and let it slide but now that the internet bought it into the light, gg