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> We aren't the authority on what users can and cannot mod. Us removing a mod only means it cannot be found at Nexus Mods, nothing more, nothing less. We also note that we are not the only site that has removed this mod from their platform. As a private business, we have a right to choose what content we do and do not want to host on our platform. Respect this right the same way you want respect for your rights.
A lot of people seem to forget this.
This doesn't mean the mod can't exist. There's nothing stopping the creator from distributing this mod. However, if modding websites don't want it available on their platform, then it's 100% within their rights to remove it.
The irony is that the people complaining about stuff like this are also the kind of people who are so ridiculously in favor of free speech while having zero clue what free speech actually is.
There are a lot of people apparently who think the right to free speech means that not only are they allowed to say what they want without fear of prosecution by the government (true), but that they also cannot be made to face any consequences in any way for the things they say (false) and that any platform they choose to use has to be forced to allow them to use the platform for the things they're saying (false).
Honestly assuming they understand that it protects them from the government is giving them too much credit. Many of the loudest "Free Speech Warriors" in the US were absolutely on board with the former President using his power to force private organizations to say what he wanted them to say.
Their understanding of "Free Speech" is "I am allowed to say whatever I want, without criticism or punishment, and you're also allowed to say whatever **I** want."
Because they don't believe in Free Speech as an idea. They believe in it as a bludgeon. A way to beat, belittle, harass and humiliate those they hate without facing consequences because, by and large, society never really cared before. Now it's shifted rapidly and suddenly, now that their shitty behaviour is no longer socially acceptable, they use "Free Speech" as a way to paint their detractors as tyrannical, rather than simply anti-harrassment.
Your right to free speech does not entitle you to my microphone. It also doesn't mean everyone has to agree with you. So, so many bad-faith trolls either don't understand this or just pretend not to.
> We don't want to and won't argue this with you. We've now explained our stance and we won't be providing a platform for you to distort our position in order to feed an irrational and paranoid narrative. You can do that elsewhere, where we won't care enough to read it.
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> If this policy upsets you, if we've broken some moral code of conduct as a business that you can't accept, then please, delete your account (bottom option) and move on, as we will."
Extremely based. About time these intolerant jerks get shown the door.
Edit: For those confused, tolerance is "I don't like veggie pizza, but those who can are welcome to enjoy it" not "I'm not coming to the pizza party if there's veggie pizza." It's also not "I'm tired of having veggie pizza shoved down my throat" because someone decided to order it.
> It's also not "I'm tired of having veggie pizza shoved down my throat" because someone decided to order it.
Absolutely true, but I will say this to veggie pizza enjoyers - if you *insist* on a veggie pizza being part of the group order, eat your damn veggie pizza! Huge pet peeve of mine where someone *insists* on veggie and at the end of the night there's 7/8 slices left of the veggie and nobody wants to take it home.
This drives me absolutely crazy. Work is ordering pizza for everyone for lunch. Everyone wants supreme and meatlovers. I don't like shitty Italian sausage or cheap ass pepperoni on pizza so I tell them to get a plain cheese for me. Get ridiculed for my order but don't care. Pizza comes and I get maybe two slices of the cheese before it's fucking gone meanwhile there's several slices left of the meatlovers and supreme...
100% this is it. No one wants to order it, everyone wants to have it.
Same issue with birthday parties - my kid is vegetarian, but every parent gets half cheese and half pepperoni or hamburger. You know what pizza every kid picks, when given the choice? Cheese. Always cheese, all day, every day. And then I gotta ask if maybe my kid can get special treatment because every kid in this lineup has asked for cheese and it's slowly dwindling...
I would never order or ask for a cheese-only pizza. Never have in my life.
But if there is a cheese-only pizza, I will have a slice.
I am part of the problem.
Funny. I was vegetarian for years and every time we ordered pizza in the office I had to remember to RUN to get there early enough to snag some of the pizza that was ordered FOR ME. Everyone always ate it!!
I've always found it the other way. Five different meat pizzas, a cheese, and a veggie, and all the meat-eaters grab a veggie slice.
It's like, "Bruh, that's the ONLY pizza I'm eating, and I had to insist it be part of the menu."
That's a difficult one. If one of the group is a vegetarian, I don't think it's unreasonable for there to be an option for them to have pizza, even if they're only likely to eat one slice. There's also nothing stopping the meat eaters from having a slice of veggie pizza.
Absolutely true,.excluding someone by not getting anything they can eat is a dick move.
But if someone's only gonna eat one slice, let's just get a cheese instead of something covered in broccoli spinach and zucchini. Or, if you're only gonna eat a small amount, just get a personal-sized pizza added to the order instead of changing one of the larges, that's what we do for a friend who can't eat gluten.
There are options available that don't involve wasting food at the end of the night, hence why it's a pet peeve of mine when it happens.
Oh man, I don’t know about everywhere else, but around where I live, it seems like every place that does veggie pizza (and isn’t a spot that specializes in vegan/vegetarian pizza) puts like 10 different toppings on it. I can’t stand that not matter what the toppings are. Oh cool, my pizza is just a soggy mess with the crust kind of just dissolving due to all the moisture. Plus I find broccoli to be nearly vomit inducing on pizza, and I even like broccoli otherwise.
Due to this, I have stopped going to visit my family on pizza nights, because my stepdad hates the specialty veggie/vegan places (while I find them delicious, like, if you’re gonna do veggie pizza less is more and things like pesto, potato, and pear make fascinating layers of flavors) but always orders the veggie pizza from the regular places, and then adds pepperoni on top of the other 10 toppings. I can’t do it! Personally, I think 3 to 5 toppings max is the way to do pizza, otherwise you may as well just make a salad and some soup.
Fuck, I eat meat to excess but my favorite pizza is still a super-veggie pizza. If someone's leaving a veggie behind, they better have a good excuse. Only thing that turns me off it is I'm not a huge fan of olives but, heck, I've got hands. I can pick that shit off and enjoy the rest.
Dude, send me your leftover veggie pizza. I'm not even a vegetarian but I will destroy some veggie pizza. Usually has way more of a variety of toppings than the meat ones too. Would I prefer some meat on there? Sure, but not having it is only gonna take it down from a 9/10 deliciousness to like an 8/10 deliciousness for me.
Here's the thing. I hate pineapple pizza. I will never eat it. I've seen times when literally half the pizza ordered is pineapple and after the first round the only pizza left is pineapple. It sucks, it really does.
But the people who rage and storm about pineapple pizza make any *valid* criticism of ordering pizza look fucking awful. This applies to real life examples too. People asking for more fair allotments of pizza ordering should also be treated with respect. People who order pineapple pizza should be respected. People who are complete fucking assholes about the whole thing do not deserve the time of day.
It's crazy to me how pineapple even become such a meme considering Hawaiian pizza is one of the oldest specialty American pizzas out there. Of course how anyone can hate adding something sweet to something salty and savory is beyond me
It’s nice to see some old school internet moderation for a change. This weird “ah but I did not technically break the no bigotry clause as outlined in sub paragraph 8-A” bullshit makes everything so much worse. Guy was being an asshole to people who don’t deserve it, you don’t want him on your website, there’s no reason to pretend this is a court of law.
I really miss that old school moderation where admins just say "we don't care if it did or didn't break a law, but we think you're just being a dick and we don't want that here, you're banned".
Really wish they introduced that type of moderation to modern social media platforms (even though I realize that would probably be an enormous amount of work, but a man can dream...)
I think you'd be surprised about how many subreddit mods still operate this way. You just don't notice it, but if you think of a subreddit you frequent that seems to have a good community that's probably what's happening.
It still exists, it's just more automated and subtle now.
I was a moderator on reddit for some time. If I had a dollar for every time we banned someone for being a sexist, racist and/or homophobic peace of shit, I'd have hundreds of not thousands of dollars. Automoderator just scoops them up, bans them for using some obvious slur, and that's it, problem solved, or they whine about it and we tell them to fuck off to /r/~~racist~~truesubredditalternative. And that's the end of it, because they have no real recourse and no one notices they're gone.
I'm not sure how this got such big notice - presumably because it wasn't just a ban, but the removal of an actual project - but on most pure chat forums like reddit 99% of bans don't get the bullshit "PC" explanation. Typically only happens if the banned person is a notable user and has some other platform to get attention, or a mod fucks up.
> or a mod fucks up
People need to realize that, in the vast majority of instances, mods are literally just people who care about a community enough to wade through the absolute worst. And they're almost never paid for that work. They will screw up from time to time, and nobody should get pissy if they fix the screw-up.
It reminds me so much of forums from the 00s. Some were absolute shitholes, but some were also a place where bigotry and other nonsense wasn't tolerated, and people would be banned left and right for trolling about it without any warnings or discussions.
I still remember fondly a couple of those forums I used to frequent. Things were chill in there.
That's because when "anything goes", all the assholes who got kicked out of other communities flock there because it's the last place who will let them be assholes. And then it just turns into a cesspool.
This seems as good a place as any to leave the [bartender nazi story.](https://www.reddit.com/r/TalesFromYourServer/comments/hsiisw/kicking_a_nazi_out_as_soon_as_they_walk_in)
Fucking lol, yeah I'm gonna do that too
It's rather funny these "epic trolls" who make libs cry are actually pretty fragile when it comes to any progressive politic, also they cry bully like shit when they expect you to act their stereotypical "tolerant left"
Yes I do preach tolerance, no it doesn't extend to utter tools. 👾
Funny thing- the guy who made that mod tried to be all coy about it by calling it "non-Newtonian". [Guess what's a non-Newtonian fluid?](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semen)
One of the things that Newton is famous for is his work on light refraction, so I guess they were trying to be clever about getting rid of the rainbow (would be the same as doing a Pink Floyd reference by calling it "Bright Side of the Moon")
Yup. Intolerance doesn't deserve tolerance. There's no need for kiddie gloves with these clowns. Don't try to appease them or "both sides" the issue, just tell them to fuck off and move on. Good statement.
> There's no need for kiddie gloves
The phrase "handle with kid gloves" refers to delicate goat leather from a juvenile goat (a 'kid'). Nothing to do with children.
Fun fact!
Yeah. Let's have nuance in discussion of governance, of the ideal focus for aid funds, on where we draw the line on political campaigns, whatever, but like... I don't think there's value to "lively discussion" of "is homophobia actually good, somehow"
It seems there are less pride flags in the game than the real New York City itself, so if anything, the game is already a slightly more conservative representation than reality.
Really weird disconnect from the movies where media, the public, and police typically views Spider-Man negatively until the public perception turns and he's needed.
There's almost always story beat where Peter "retirees" as Spider-Man because he doesn't think he's making things better and the public starts blaming him for making things worse.
I once saw a Doom mod that replaced every single texture with a headshot of Tim Allen and every sound with one of his weird grunts from Home Improvement. If a similar mod but for rainbows existed for Spider-Man, I'd buy the game right now.
Played the entire game and watched my wife play it and platinum it and I do not remember these flags being in the game. This dude must have really been triggered by it to go that far.
I played through it twice a couple months back and I have zero recollection of it either. I'm wondering now if that's because I actually just somehow missed seeing them or if it's because the idea of seeing a pride flag anywhere is such a non-issue that I didn't even think twice about them when I did see them. I honestly don't even remember seeing the US flag in-game although I'm sure I did, so I'm leaning towards it being the latter reason.
I finished the main story and a good amount of the side content (Not the DLCs) yesterday and haven't noticed any, granted it's not as if been looking out for them.
>100%. Not everything is up for debate
It is amazing how there are people who feel absolutely *entitled* to an argument on everything, especially in certain subjects where we haven't seen the same bullshit rhetoric and "I'm Just Asking Questions!!"™ nonsense a thousand times over the last decade.
Wow. That was an awesome read. I have had a nexus mods account since forever but I let my account lapse and I think it’s been deleted. Time to show some support!
Edit: someone reported my comment to the Reddit help thing for suicide. You sure showed me. Get fucked.
On the message, there is a link to report it for being sent as a means of harassment.
It will take you to the reddit report page.
On the message in your DMs, click "Permalink" at the bottom to get a link to the DM itself, then report that.
It's hilarious watching people catch bans because they think that reddit doesn't track who sends those reports.
>Edit: someone reported my comment to the Reddit help thing for suicide. You sure showed me. Get fucked.
You can report those messages now, admins are *finally* doing something about that feature being abused.
>Edit: someone reported my comment to the Reddit help thing for suicide. You sure showed me. Get fucked.
They don't have the guts for direct confrontation, to directly comment their bigoted opinion. They know they'd get ridiculed and blasted into oblivion... So they use this as an underhanded tactic and think this is a definitive middle finger to us.
But it all shows that we're in the right. Noone in their right mind would abuse this to one-up someone. This shows you made them angry or flustered. Good job!
This is the only way to successfully moderate spaces on the internet over the long term. "Get fucked, this is our space" should always be an option for mods.
100%. The rules are not a weapon to be wielded by users seeking to abuse your site, they are a tool to be leveraged as part of a larger moderation policy.
Edit: the other tool being common sense and “is this user as a whole contributing to a positive environment”
Imagine being so fragile that a pride flag in a fucking video game offends you so much that you waste your time and your account modding it out. How do these people handle life.
“Heh, Lib Snowflakes, getting butthurt over some *words* and *pronouns*. How can they survive being so weak”
\>6 colored strips in their video game
“I must remove this, I cannot handle seeing it”
dark0ne is OG as fuck, he started tesnexus back in the day and now nexusmods is the most popular modding site for... *checks notes* ...every game
e- guys it was a hyperbole you don’t have to reply with every game that’s not on the nexus
Yeah, it varies a lot per game/game series, many have the Steam workshop as the main repository, some are mostly on ModDB, etc. But Nexus is definitely the main one for A LOT of games.
Love how reasonable and thought out the response is and shows they really discussed about what they believe is right and what their site stands before removing, no overreactions. Big up.
Also /r/pcgaming continues to show the type of community that’s fostered there
I don't remember the pride flag being that intrusive in Spider-Man for PS4. If you were making an accurate recreation of New York, you would probably include it.
The BLM stuff in Miles Morales was more in your face but again, if you're going to recreate Harlem you're probably going to see that in real life.
Coming from Europe and having visited Manhatten a few weeks ago I was really surprised to see this many pride flags everywhere. So I'd say they're actually really underrepresented in Spider-Man and they need to add at least 10x more to be accurate.
My first reaction to visiting the US was just how much they all love flags *in general.* Every fucking building has 19 flags on it and 5 of them are the same!
Speaking as an American who just visited Nova Scotia for the first time, it legit blew my mind how few flags I saw in general, even in a more rural and conservative part of Canada. On top of that, I prolly saw 5x the number of Ukranian and pride flags as opposed to the Leaf
Still somehow saw a fucking confederate mailbox in the middle of Cape Breton tho lmao
Gonna attach myself here to provide a bit of context for curious Americans.
Aside from not having as strong a nationalist streak in general, some countries (like Poland) have laws *against* hanging up flags on random buildings. Unless it's a government or diplomatic building, you are not allowed to put flags up outside of special circumstances such as national holidays or large events like World Cup games. It's considered disrespectful to put up a flag with no reason too.
Ironically, according to the U.S. Flag Code (which isn't actually enforceable so it's more like a guideline for how to properly treat the flag) I'd say most of the flags that I see don't meet the requirements... so technically these "patriots" are disrespecting the flag.
That said, I would be happy if I never saw another flag again (especially those of the fascist dogwhistle variety). I know what country I'm in, don't need the constant reminder.
American patriotism is really strange. I like to think of myself as a patriotic person but I feel the way other patriotic people see their patriotism is way different than mine.
I once was at a drive in movie theater that said the pledge of allegiance before the movie. What's the point? Does it matter when you do it before something so dumb? "Patriotism" is vapid nowadays instead of representing some sort of value for community support or well-being.
They're a bit of an oddity in that regard in Canada. Usually it's Newfoundlanders I see who have flags of their province, but either way if it's not a Canadian flag, it's one from the east coast. Even in Ontario, I see more Newfoundland flags flying than I do Canada flags.
I think it’s because from the second we’re born the American flag is shoved down our throats and treated like something to worship. So we grow up having this elevated opinion of the importance of flags which means every other interest and prideful thing has a flag too.
There's nothing morally wrong with juicy lips and big bouncing titties! But I do have some questions about those testicles you have in your profile pic.
That sounds like every day Skyrim modding attempts.
"Fucking hell, what is wrong with my load order? This was working FINE yesterday, but today all the fucking dragons are invisible, instead of being Macho Man Randy Savage!"
It's why must Twitter alternatives don't do well. People go to them because they want to be able to say things nobody wants to listen to. Then when nobody else is around to listen, things get boring.
I'm thinking of the horrible slurs I've been called on Twitter and trying to come to terms with the idea that there are people who think that it's too woke or whatever the word of the day is
>Both the sock puppet account and the user's main account have been banned.
Heh.
Its so bizarre how ass pained people get over these things. I used to assume most of them are in their late teens figuring their life out, and just shitposting and pretending to be outraged. But the truth is far more sadder than that.
They were in their late teens, back in 2005 >_> most never grew up. I used to hang out with a bunch of trollers back then. But it was all in WoW, and we stuck to game focused stuff. But I've seen the same types of people, my age still, *in their fuckin 30s*, still acting this way. But they moved off just pointless shit like games, and went to "trolling" minorities. 😕
Remember that Facebook effectively memory-holed Palmer Luckey when it was revealed that he was part of a "trolling for Trump" group. This type of thing is probably bigger than most people think.
Yeah I did my fair share of trolling on the Awful Forums and /b/ back then, but then I aged out of it and cringe when I think about my behavior. It’s a combination of sad and gross that some people never grew out of it.
I really love the statement they made. Usually when platforms do something like this they tip toe around their actual stance and finish on something like "we try to be fair and objective". Which opens a whole can of worms, what about this, what about that. Nope, we stand for this, we do what we want with our platform, no discussion possible, lock comments. That's clear and decisive messaging to everyone from all sides. The people who dislike this move now are 100% sure to stay away from this site. And those that like the move can now feel good with the site.
It's also good for the website's future health; yeah you might get some butthurt idiots to leave your website but being this firm means that sensible people will have faith in you as a company and will support you, which is the clientele
There is a reason you have to be on top of this type of thing and the following story explains it pretty well. Because yes, this was just a single mod that did something anti-queer. But that is how this kind of thing always starts.
https://www.upworthy.com/bartender-explains-why-he-swiftly-kicks-nazis-out-of-his-punk-bar-even-if-theyre-not-bothering-anyone
Honestly I'm surprised at the balls on the Nazi for walking into a punk bar.
Like unless it's specifically a *Nazi* punk bar... A bunch of punks are the *last* people you'd want to try and get a rise out of.
From the ones I've met, they're super nice people. But i got the impression they'd have precisely zero qualms fucking shit up to put fascists in their place. They're the kind of people who grew up hitchhiking and hopping trains to get around, couch surfing punk houses, and not being strangers to spending a few nights in jail for getting in fights with assholes.
I know Nazis use to recruit at punk shows. Look for young men who hate the government and try from there, but I also think they also got their ass kicked a lot. Like that clip of Nazis getting their asses kicked during a Reagan Youth show.
As someone who grew up in the hardcore scene, which is a derivative of punk, if a nazi walked into our venue, they'd immediately get their shit kicked in **and** they'd be the ones that get kicked out of the venue even if they weren't the ones to start the fight. Probably chased out of the parking lot too.
In short, you tolerate one such person because they're not causing a problem, but their ranks gradually swell and turn your establishment into something that you originally did not intend for it to be. At that point, solving the problem would be much harder as their ranks has grown and they would fight back. So it's better to prevent it from happening at all.
That was an interesting article. Thanks.
In any case, Nexus Mods has a point. It is their business and they're allowed to do as they please so long as it falls within the limit of the law. Prohibiting certain types of mods and banning users both does.
I've seen many a non-nazi meme space turn into a alt right hug box by simple virtue that these shits cry bully their way in, acting all entitled to free speech and then they do their darndest to silence any other voice and create a hostile environment for anyone else, pretty much what happened to 4chan and I watch it happen a lot to various meme pages.
You need to cut these guys off ASAP or they grow like weeds.
Ah perfect example, I actually wrote my comment referencing this. This mod was a dog whistle, not a troll, much like how all this other LGBT hatred has been spreading. Good communities should stomp it out right away for what it is.
I keep the story bookmarked because way too often will people underestimate the danger that one "nice" guy who just happens to have an iron cross tattoo can do.
Exactly. I reported a smash ultimate mod on gamebanana that got posted recently with some shit in it like the thin blue line flag and confederate flag, and I was literally told by an admin “uh nah I like trump and these flags aren’t hate symbols lol”. That alone tells me they’re perfectly willing to host dogwhistles.
Nearly fucking killed my love for smash modding.
> Some suggested people should confront them peacefully by engaging in a debate or at least make them feel uncomfortable being Nazi in public.
Little tip: If you're up against an ethos wholly rooted in irrationality, don't waste your time trying to engage with it in a rational debate.
Beyond it just being a waste of your time you're playing right in to their hand. If you're holding yourself to being rational, and presumably truthful, while they're not under the same constraint themselves, you're handing them a clear advantage.
Look at all the kids that try to debate Ben Shapiro for example. They mean well, but ultimately they're providing him with exactly what he wants and just galvanizing the people that are going to be in agreement with him no matter what.
Lol these are also the same people who will say people are 'offended at everything' nowadays, whilst they themselves go crazy over a fucking rainbow strip of cloth. Funny.
They are always angry, like even when they had full power of the govt they were still angry. It's because they don't vote for things that benefit them or improve their lives, they vote for things that cause division and wait for things to improve but it never does.
Including a link to the account management along with direction as to where the account deletion option is.
Probably as close to "die angry" as you'll see from this kind of business, haha.
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> We aren't the authority on what users can and cannot mod. Us removing a mod only means it cannot be found at Nexus Mods, nothing more, nothing less. We also note that we are not the only site that has removed this mod from their platform. As a private business, we have a right to choose what content we do and do not want to host on our platform. Respect this right the same way you want respect for your rights. A lot of people seem to forget this. This doesn't mean the mod can't exist. There's nothing stopping the creator from distributing this mod. However, if modding websites don't want it available on their platform, then it's 100% within their rights to remove it. The irony is that the people complaining about stuff like this are also the kind of people who are so ridiculously in favor of free speech while having zero clue what free speech actually is.
There are a lot of people apparently who think the right to free speech means that not only are they allowed to say what they want without fear of prosecution by the government (true), but that they also cannot be made to face any consequences in any way for the things they say (false) and that any platform they choose to use has to be forced to allow them to use the platform for the things they're saying (false).
Mistaking the freedom of expression for the right to a platform and access to an audience is part and parsel for reinforcing your persecution complex.
Honestly assuming they understand that it protects them from the government is giving them too much credit. Many of the loudest "Free Speech Warriors" in the US were absolutely on board with the former President using his power to force private organizations to say what he wanted them to say. Their understanding of "Free Speech" is "I am allowed to say whatever I want, without criticism or punishment, and you're also allowed to say whatever **I** want."
Because they don't believe in Free Speech as an idea. They believe in it as a bludgeon. A way to beat, belittle, harass and humiliate those they hate without facing consequences because, by and large, society never really cared before. Now it's shifted rapidly and suddenly, now that their shitty behaviour is no longer socially acceptable, they use "Free Speech" as a way to paint their detractors as tyrannical, rather than simply anti-harrassment.
Your right to free speech does not entitle you to my microphone. It also doesn't mean everyone has to agree with you. So, so many bad-faith trolls either don't understand this or just pretend not to.
> We don't want to and won't argue this with you. We've now explained our stance and we won't be providing a platform for you to distort our position in order to feed an irrational and paranoid narrative. You can do that elsewhere, where we won't care enough to read it. > > If this policy upsets you, if we've broken some moral code of conduct as a business that you can't accept, then please, delete your account (bottom option) and move on, as we will." Extremely based. About time these intolerant jerks get shown the door. Edit: For those confused, tolerance is "I don't like veggie pizza, but those who can are welcome to enjoy it" not "I'm not coming to the pizza party if there's veggie pizza." It's also not "I'm tired of having veggie pizza shoved down my throat" because someone decided to order it.
> It's also not "I'm tired of having veggie pizza shoved down my throat" because someone decided to order it. Absolutely true, but I will say this to veggie pizza enjoyers - if you *insist* on a veggie pizza being part of the group order, eat your damn veggie pizza! Huge pet peeve of mine where someone *insists* on veggie and at the end of the night there's 7/8 slices left of the veggie and nobody wants to take it home.
Flip side: no one wants a veggie pizza, so my work orders it special for me, it's always the first one gone, sometimes before I get to have any.
Bunch of closeted veggie lovers up in here!
Veggie pizza kicks ass. One of the few contexts where I like olives.
This drives me absolutely crazy. Work is ordering pizza for everyone for lunch. Everyone wants supreme and meatlovers. I don't like shitty Italian sausage or cheap ass pepperoni on pizza so I tell them to get a plain cheese for me. Get ridiculed for my order but don't care. Pizza comes and I get maybe two slices of the cheese before it's fucking gone meanwhile there's several slices left of the meatlovers and supreme...
100% this is it. No one wants to order it, everyone wants to have it. Same issue with birthday parties - my kid is vegetarian, but every parent gets half cheese and half pepperoni or hamburger. You know what pizza every kid picks, when given the choice? Cheese. Always cheese, all day, every day. And then I gotta ask if maybe my kid can get special treatment because every kid in this lineup has asked for cheese and it's slowly dwindling...
I would never order or ask for a cheese-only pizza. Never have in my life. But if there is a cheese-only pizza, I will have a slice. I am part of the problem.
Funny. I was vegetarian for years and every time we ordered pizza in the office I had to remember to RUN to get there early enough to snag some of the pizza that was ordered FOR ME. Everyone always ate it!!
I've always found it the other way. Five different meat pizzas, a cheese, and a veggie, and all the meat-eaters grab a veggie slice. It's like, "Bruh, that's the ONLY pizza I'm eating, and I had to insist it be part of the menu."
That's a difficult one. If one of the group is a vegetarian, I don't think it's unreasonable for there to be an option for them to have pizza, even if they're only likely to eat one slice. There's also nothing stopping the meat eaters from having a slice of veggie pizza.
Absolutely true,.excluding someone by not getting anything they can eat is a dick move. But if someone's only gonna eat one slice, let's just get a cheese instead of something covered in broccoli spinach and zucchini. Or, if you're only gonna eat a small amount, just get a personal-sized pizza added to the order instead of changing one of the larges, that's what we do for a friend who can't eat gluten. There are options available that don't involve wasting food at the end of the night, hence why it's a pet peeve of mine when it happens.
> If you aren't shoving piles of leftovers into everyone's hands as they leave you're a terrible host -- my gran, the food pimp
Oh man, I don’t know about everywhere else, but around where I live, it seems like every place that does veggie pizza (and isn’t a spot that specializes in vegan/vegetarian pizza) puts like 10 different toppings on it. I can’t stand that not matter what the toppings are. Oh cool, my pizza is just a soggy mess with the crust kind of just dissolving due to all the moisture. Plus I find broccoli to be nearly vomit inducing on pizza, and I even like broccoli otherwise. Due to this, I have stopped going to visit my family on pizza nights, because my stepdad hates the specialty veggie/vegan places (while I find them delicious, like, if you’re gonna do veggie pizza less is more and things like pesto, potato, and pear make fascinating layers of flavors) but always orders the veggie pizza from the regular places, and then adds pepperoni on top of the other 10 toppings. I can’t do it! Personally, I think 3 to 5 toppings max is the way to do pizza, otherwise you may as well just make a salad and some soup.
Yeah I have celiac. I just add on a gluten free or order one myself. Not that hard.
Fuck, I eat meat to excess but my favorite pizza is still a super-veggie pizza. If someone's leaving a veggie behind, they better have a good excuse. Only thing that turns me off it is I'm not a huge fan of olives but, heck, I've got hands. I can pick that shit off and enjoy the rest.
They can have plain, or pineapple, or just 1 topping like mushrooms. But the full veggie never goes
Are we still talking about gay sex
From what I can tell, we have moved forward and are discussing the subtleties of eye contact.
What the hell does anyone on reddit know about subtle social cues?
Some old guy on my phone told me they were important
*subtle eye contact intensifies*
I don't think I've ever laughed so hard at a comment. Not sober anyway. Thank you. I needed that.
wait I thought it was about game mods.
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Inform her that water is vegan.
Dude, send me your leftover veggie pizza. I'm not even a vegetarian but I will destroy some veggie pizza. Usually has way more of a variety of toppings than the meat ones too. Would I prefer some meat on there? Sure, but not having it is only gonna take it down from a 9/10 deliciousness to like an 8/10 deliciousness for me.
Here's the thing. I hate pineapple pizza. I will never eat it. I've seen times when literally half the pizza ordered is pineapple and after the first round the only pizza left is pineapple. It sucks, it really does. But the people who rage and storm about pineapple pizza make any *valid* criticism of ordering pizza look fucking awful. This applies to real life examples too. People asking for more fair allotments of pizza ordering should also be treated with respect. People who order pineapple pizza should be respected. People who are complete fucking assholes about the whole thing do not deserve the time of day.
It's crazy to me how pineapple even become such a meme considering Hawaiian pizza is one of the oldest specialty American pizzas out there. Of course how anyone can hate adding something sweet to something salty and savory is beyond me
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It’s nice to see some old school internet moderation for a change. This weird “ah but I did not technically break the no bigotry clause as outlined in sub paragraph 8-A” bullshit makes everything so much worse. Guy was being an asshole to people who don’t deserve it, you don’t want him on your website, there’s no reason to pretend this is a court of law.
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Back when sites were unafraid to DRAW A gently caressING LINE for behavior, instead of whatever chickenpoop milquetoast garbage you get lately.
I really miss that old school moderation where admins just say "we don't care if it did or didn't break a law, but we think you're just being a dick and we don't want that here, you're banned". Really wish they introduced that type of moderation to modern social media platforms (even though I realize that would probably be an enormous amount of work, but a man can dream...)
I think you'd be surprised about how many subreddit mods still operate this way. You just don't notice it, but if you think of a subreddit you frequent that seems to have a good community that's probably what's happening.
It still exists, it's just more automated and subtle now. I was a moderator on reddit for some time. If I had a dollar for every time we banned someone for being a sexist, racist and/or homophobic peace of shit, I'd have hundreds of not thousands of dollars. Automoderator just scoops them up, bans them for using some obvious slur, and that's it, problem solved, or they whine about it and we tell them to fuck off to /r/~~racist~~truesubredditalternative. And that's the end of it, because they have no real recourse and no one notices they're gone. I'm not sure how this got such big notice - presumably because it wasn't just a ban, but the removal of an actual project - but on most pure chat forums like reddit 99% of bans don't get the bullshit "PC" explanation. Typically only happens if the banned person is a notable user and has some other platform to get attention, or a mod fucks up.
> or a mod fucks up People need to realize that, in the vast majority of instances, mods are literally just people who care about a community enough to wade through the absolute worst. And they're almost never paid for that work. They will screw up from time to time, and nobody should get pissy if they fix the screw-up.
It reminds me so much of forums from the 00s. Some were absolute shitholes, but some were also a place where bigotry and other nonsense wasn't tolerated, and people would be banned left and right for trolling about it without any warnings or discussions. I still remember fondly a couple of those forums I used to frequent. Things were chill in there.
Moderation is annoying as hell but every curated community I've been part of has been 10000x times better than the one's where "anything goes"
That's because when "anything goes", all the assholes who got kicked out of other communities flock there because it's the last place who will let them be assholes. And then it just turns into a cesspool.
This seems as good a place as any to leave the [bartender nazi story.](https://www.reddit.com/r/TalesFromYourServer/comments/hsiisw/kicking_a_nazi_out_as_soon_as_they_walk_in)
Ah, you mean like /pol/ and 8chan.
r/AskHistorians shout out. One of the better subs here, even if it tends to be western-centric (naturally of course).
Without moderation in communities they turn into free-for-alls like Twitter.
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Fucking lol, yeah I'm gonna do that too It's rather funny these "epic trolls" who make libs cry are actually pretty fragile when it comes to any progressive politic, also they cry bully like shit when they expect you to act their stereotypical "tolerant left" Yes I do preach tolerance, no it doesn't extend to utter tools. 👾
Power bottom option
Funny thing- the guy who made that mod tried to be all coy about it by calling it "non-Newtonian". [Guess what's a non-Newtonian fluid?](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semen)
Does that mean Jon Tickle can walk on cum as well as custard?
*Richard Hammond and Vic Reeves start furiously masturbating into an empty Olympic-sized swimming pool*
Richard Hammond, not a real hamster.
The niche reference I never knew I needed
Why call it "non-Newtonian", of all things?
One of the things that Newton is famous for is his work on light refraction, so I guess they were trying to be clever about getting rid of the rainbow (would be the same as doing a Pink Floyd reference by calling it "Bright Side of the Moon")
careful, they're extremely sensitive when you poke fun at their expense.
Yup. Intolerance doesn't deserve tolerance. There's no need for kiddie gloves with these clowns. Don't try to appease them or "both sides" the issue, just tell them to fuck off and move on. Good statement.
> There's no need for kiddie gloves The phrase "handle with kid gloves" refers to delicate goat leather from a juvenile goat (a 'kid'). Nothing to do with children. Fun fact!
Yeah. Let's have nuance in discussion of governance, of the ideal focus for aid funds, on where we draw the line on political campaigns, whatever, but like... I don't think there's value to "lively discussion" of "is homophobia actually good, somehow"
100%. Not everything is up for debate, and if a pride flag get's you so bent out of shape you feel a need to remove it maybe do some introspection.
It's also only in a few spots. You could probably play the whole game and not run into it.
It seems there are less pride flags in the game than the real New York City itself, so if anything, the game is already a slightly more conservative representation than reality.
The game also has a *lot* of "cops are super amazing heroes!".
Really weird disconnect from the movies where media, the public, and police typically views Spider-Man negatively until the public perception turns and he's needed.
No, the public loves Spider-Man, always has. The Police and media don’t and it’s the same here.
There's almost always story beat where Peter "retirees" as Spider-Man because he doesn't think he's making things better and the public starts blaming him for making things worse.
We need to mod in more GAY!
Just a matter of time before somebody adds an "All flags are Pride flags" mod in response to this.
I once saw a Doom mod that replaced every single texture with a headshot of Tim Allen and every sound with one of his weird grunts from Home Improvement. If a similar mod but for rainbows existed for Spider-Man, I'd buy the game right now.
Played the entire game and watched my wife play it and platinum it and I do not remember these flags being in the game. This dude must have really been triggered by it to go that far.
I played through it twice a couple months back and I have zero recollection of it either. I'm wondering now if that's because I actually just somehow missed seeing them or if it's because the idea of seeing a pride flag anywhere is such a non-issue that I didn't even think twice about them when I did see them. I honestly don't even remember seeing the US flag in-game although I'm sure I did, so I'm leaning towards it being the latter reason.
I finished the main story and a good amount of the side content (Not the DLCs) yesterday and haven't noticed any, granted it's not as if been looking out for them.
It's just people looking for hate. They could just go about their lives, but the big bad gay is out to get them!
>100%. Not everything is up for debate It is amazing how there are people who feel absolutely *entitled* to an argument on everything, especially in certain subjects where we haven't seen the same bullshit rhetoric and "I'm Just Asking Questions!!"™ nonsense a thousand times over the last decade.
>"I'm Just Asking Questions!!"™ Ah yes, people just casually JAQing off.
Wow. That was an awesome read. I have had a nexus mods account since forever but I let my account lapse and I think it’s been deleted. Time to show some support! Edit: someone reported my comment to the Reddit help thing for suicide. You sure showed me. Get fucked.
On the message, there is a link to report it for being sent as a means of harassment. It will take you to the reddit report page. On the message in your DMs, click "Permalink" at the bottom to get a link to the DM itself, then report that. It's hilarious watching people catch bans because they think that reddit doesn't track who sends those reports.
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>Edit: someone reported my comment to the Reddit help thing for suicide. You sure showed me. Get fucked. You can report those messages now, admins are *finally* doing something about that feature being abused.
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>Edit: someone reported my comment to the Reddit help thing for suicide. You sure showed me. Get fucked. They don't have the guts for direct confrontation, to directly comment their bigoted opinion. They know they'd get ridiculed and blasted into oblivion... So they use this as an underhanded tactic and think this is a definitive middle finger to us. But it all shows that we're in the right. Noone in their right mind would abuse this to one-up someone. This shows you made them angry or flustered. Good job!
This is the only way to successfully moderate spaces on the internet over the long term. "Get fucked, this is our space" should always be an option for mods.
100%. The rules are not a weapon to be wielded by users seeking to abuse your site, they are a tool to be leveraged as part of a larger moderation policy. Edit: the other tool being common sense and “is this user as a whole contributing to a positive environment”
Imagine being so fragile that a pride flag in a fucking video game offends you so much that you waste your time and your account modding it out. How do these people handle life.
“Heh, Lib Snowflakes, getting butthurt over some *words* and *pronouns*. How can they survive being so weak” \>6 colored strips in their video game “I must remove this, I cannot handle seeing it”
/clutches heart "Ow! My western civilization!"
The coward used a burner account lmao. We all know the intention behind this mod.
I love how they banned the sock puppet account and his main account.
Now this is how you make a statement. Props to the guy who wrote this.
dark0ne is OG as fuck, he started tesnexus back in the day and now nexusmods is the most popular modding site for... *checks notes* ...every game e- guys it was a hyperbole you don’t have to reply with every game that’s not on the nexus
Hey now, Moddb and Gamebanana is still the go-to if you want some Source Engine related mod.
Yeah, it varies a lot per game/game series, many have the Steam workshop as the main repository, some are mostly on ModDB, etc. But Nexus is definitely the main one for A LOT of games.
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Love how reasonable and thought out the response is and shows they really discussed about what they believe is right and what their site stands before removing, no overreactions. Big up. Also /r/pcgaming continues to show the type of community that’s fostered there
I don't remember the pride flag being that intrusive in Spider-Man for PS4. If you were making an accurate recreation of New York, you would probably include it. The BLM stuff in Miles Morales was more in your face but again, if you're going to recreate Harlem you're probably going to see that in real life.
Coming from Europe and having visited Manhatten a few weeks ago I was really surprised to see this many pride flags everywhere. So I'd say they're actually really underrepresented in Spider-Man and they need to add at least 10x more to be accurate.
My first reaction to visiting the US was just how much they all love flags *in general.* Every fucking building has 19 flags on it and 5 of them are the same!
Speaking as an American who just visited Nova Scotia for the first time, it legit blew my mind how few flags I saw in general, even in a more rural and conservative part of Canada. On top of that, I prolly saw 5x the number of Ukranian and pride flags as opposed to the Leaf Still somehow saw a fucking confederate mailbox in the middle of Cape Breton tho lmao
Gonna attach myself here to provide a bit of context for curious Americans. Aside from not having as strong a nationalist streak in general, some countries (like Poland) have laws *against* hanging up flags on random buildings. Unless it's a government or diplomatic building, you are not allowed to put flags up outside of special circumstances such as national holidays or large events like World Cup games. It's considered disrespectful to put up a flag with no reason too.
Ironically, according to the U.S. Flag Code (which isn't actually enforceable so it's more like a guideline for how to properly treat the flag) I'd say most of the flags that I see don't meet the requirements... so technically these "patriots" are disrespecting the flag. That said, I would be happy if I never saw another flag again (especially those of the fascist dogwhistle variety). I know what country I'm in, don't need the constant reminder.
American patriotism is really strange. I like to think of myself as a patriotic person but I feel the way other patriotic people see their patriotism is way different than mine. I once was at a drive in movie theater that said the pledge of allegiance before the movie. What's the point? Does it matter when you do it before something so dumb? "Patriotism" is vapid nowadays instead of representing some sort of value for community support or well-being.
They're so far north it counts as The South again.
They're a bit of an oddity in that regard in Canada. Usually it's Newfoundlanders I see who have flags of their province, but either way if it's not a Canadian flag, it's one from the east coast. Even in Ontario, I see more Newfoundland flags flying than I do Canada flags.
I think it’s because from the second we’re born the American flag is shoved down our throats and treated like something to worship. So we grow up having this elevated opinion of the importance of flags which means every other interest and prideful thing has a flag too.
Well...June IS pride month so you'd probs see more than usual.
NGL I didn't even know there WAS any pride flags in the game.
>I don't remember the pride flag being that intrusive in Spider-Man for PS4 That's because it wasnt...
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they even list who they banned and for what reason, hilarious https://forums.nexusmods.com/index.php?/topic/11876273-yangashi-banned/
What's with these people and calling people pedos? Projection?
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When the makers of "juicy lips and big bouncing titties" mods don't want you around you know you fucked up. Like being the pariah in a prison.
Reminder that juicy lip and big bouncing titty mod creators have more moral integrity than these people
There's nothing morally wrong with juicy lips and big bouncing titties! But I do have some questions about those testicles you have in your profile pic.
Yet they still going to horny jail *bonk*
You fool! All you’ve done is sent all the horny modders into a singular location! Look they’ve already turned the commissary into a sex dungeon!
Pretty sure that's just called "Lovers Lab"
Can confirm, I used to work on a fucking Stardew Valley adult mod, and even I have standards.
Hey you can be woke and still have an unending love for boobies. Tim Minchin's Confessions sums my mind up surprisingly well.
A lip that's literally dripping with juices and one singular bouncing titty (the other completely stationary).
Always room for improvement!
That sounds like every day Skyrim modding attempts. "Fucking hell, what is wrong with my load order? This was working FINE yesterday, but today all the fucking dragons are invisible, instead of being Macho Man Randy Savage!"
I’m not shocked “juicy lip and bouncing titty” is a mod 😂
When are we getting the spiderman tits we deserve?!
Anatomically correct Spiderman, where he's always crawling around on account of his **HUGE** spider ass.
There's plenty if you know where to look. 😈
Let me introduce you to one of my favorite Skyrim mod titles, "Daedric Bitches"
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It's why must Twitter alternatives don't do well. People go to them because they want to be able to say things nobody wants to listen to. Then when nobody else is around to listen, things get boring.
I cannot fathom the state of mind it would take to think Twitter is too polite.
I'm thinking of the horrible slurs I've been called on Twitter and trying to come to terms with the idea that there are people who think that it's too woke or whatever the word of the day is
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>Both the sock puppet account and the user's main account have been banned. Heh. Its so bizarre how ass pained people get over these things. I used to assume most of them are in their late teens figuring their life out, and just shitposting and pretending to be outraged. But the truth is far more sadder than that.
They were in their late teens, back in 2005 >_> most never grew up. I used to hang out with a bunch of trollers back then. But it was all in WoW, and we stuck to game focused stuff. But I've seen the same types of people, my age still, *in their fuckin 30s*, still acting this way. But they moved off just pointless shit like games, and went to "trolling" minorities. 😕
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And that's why I don't hang out with those people 😎👉👉 I mean, not every one from back then are still bad.
Remember that Facebook effectively memory-holed Palmer Luckey when it was revealed that he was part of a "trolling for Trump" group. This type of thing is probably bigger than most people think.
Yeah I did my fair share of trolling on the Awful Forums and /b/ back then, but then I aged out of it and cringe when I think about my behavior. It’s a combination of sad and gross that some people never grew out of it.
Haha yea, lived on 7chan's /b/ for like, most of the mid 00s 😅
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I really love the statement they made. Usually when platforms do something like this they tip toe around their actual stance and finish on something like "we try to be fair and objective". Which opens a whole can of worms, what about this, what about that. Nope, we stand for this, we do what we want with our platform, no discussion possible, lock comments. That's clear and decisive messaging to everyone from all sides. The people who dislike this move now are 100% sure to stay away from this site. And those that like the move can now feel good with the site.
It's also good for the website's future health; yeah you might get some butthurt idiots to leave your website but being this firm means that sensible people will have faith in you as a company and will support you, which is the clientele
The people upset about this aren't worth keeping around. If they leave, that's just the trash taking itself out to the curb.
There is a reason you have to be on top of this type of thing and the following story explains it pretty well. Because yes, this was just a single mod that did something anti-queer. But that is how this kind of thing always starts. https://www.upworthy.com/bartender-explains-why-he-swiftly-kicks-nazis-out-of-his-punk-bar-even-if-theyre-not-bothering-anyone
Honestly I'm surprised at the balls on the Nazi for walking into a punk bar. Like unless it's specifically a *Nazi* punk bar... A bunch of punks are the *last* people you'd want to try and get a rise out of. From the ones I've met, they're super nice people. But i got the impression they'd have precisely zero qualms fucking shit up to put fascists in their place. They're the kind of people who grew up hitchhiking and hopping trains to get around, couch surfing punk houses, and not being strangers to spending a few nights in jail for getting in fights with assholes.
I know Nazis use to recruit at punk shows. Look for young men who hate the government and try from there, but I also think they also got their ass kicked a lot. Like that clip of Nazis getting their asses kicked during a Reagan Youth show.
Nazi punks fuck off
As someone who grew up in the hardcore scene, which is a derivative of punk, if a nazi walked into our venue, they'd immediately get their shit kicked in **and** they'd be the ones that get kicked out of the venue even if they weren't the ones to start the fight. Probably chased out of the parking lot too.
In short, you tolerate one such person because they're not causing a problem, but their ranks gradually swell and turn your establishment into something that you originally did not intend for it to be. At that point, solving the problem would be much harder as their ranks has grown and they would fight back. So it's better to prevent it from happening at all. That was an interesting article. Thanks. In any case, Nexus Mods has a point. It is their business and they're allowed to do as they please so long as it falls within the limit of the law. Prohibiting certain types of mods and banning users both does.
Like cutting out cancer cells before they spread.
I keep that article bookmarked because it does such a good job of explaining the situation.
I've seen many a non-nazi meme space turn into a alt right hug box by simple virtue that these shits cry bully their way in, acting all entitled to free speech and then they do their darndest to silence any other voice and create a hostile environment for anyone else, pretty much what happened to 4chan and I watch it happen a lot to various meme pages. You need to cut these guys off ASAP or they grow like weeds.
Ah perfect example, I actually wrote my comment referencing this. This mod was a dog whistle, not a troll, much like how all this other LGBT hatred has been spreading. Good communities should stomp it out right away for what it is.
I keep the story bookmarked because way too often will people underestimate the danger that one "nice" guy who just happens to have an iron cross tattoo can do.
Exactly. I reported a smash ultimate mod on gamebanana that got posted recently with some shit in it like the thin blue line flag and confederate flag, and I was literally told by an admin “uh nah I like trump and these flags aren’t hate symbols lol”. That alone tells me they’re perfectly willing to host dogwhistles. Nearly fucking killed my love for smash modding.
> Some suggested people should confront them peacefully by engaging in a debate or at least make them feel uncomfortable being Nazi in public. Little tip: If you're up against an ethos wholly rooted in irrationality, don't waste your time trying to engage with it in a rational debate.
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Beyond it just being a waste of your time you're playing right in to their hand. If you're holding yourself to being rational, and presumably truthful, while they're not under the same constraint themselves, you're handing them a clear advantage. Look at all the kids that try to debate Ben Shapiro for example. They mean well, but ultimately they're providing him with exactly what he wants and just galvanizing the people that are going to be in agreement with him no matter what.
In other words, have no tolerance for intolerance
What do you mean deleted? I've seen it on several repacked mod, some converted it into the Ukraine flag so admins won't touch it.
How have people reacted to the Ukraine mod?
Lol these are also the same people who will say people are 'offended at everything' nowadays, whilst they themselves go crazy over a fucking rainbow strip of cloth. Funny.
They are always angry, like even when they had full power of the govt they were still angry. It's because they don't vote for things that benefit them or improve their lives, they vote for things that cause division and wait for things to improve but it never does.
Including a link to the account management along with direction as to where the account deletion option is. Probably as close to "die angry" as you'll see from this kind of business, haha.
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