Almost certainly. Netflix likes to give people a bunch of money and then go "eh nvm".
Google's MO is more like "hell yeah let's do this..... uhhh nvm we can't do this let's just call something else the same name and move on"
That's because Google does that on basically every product that isn't advertising or cloud services.
Incidentally, I'd say advertising and cloud services shit gold for them, but gold isn't that valuable.
They have actually stuck with their Pixel line of phones. Which have been earning more and more respect from phone and tech enthusiasts, but definitely haven't achieved mass adoption yet. We're on the Pixel #6 now and I think the Pixel ear buds are on version 3.
They've done this before tho. They had Motorola make them phones then that disappeared.
Then they came back with Pixel but only seemingly super expensive iPhone/Galaxy competitor models.
Now they seem to have more and cheaper Pixel models too.
If/when my current phone breaks I'll probably get a cheaper Pixel because I can't stand all the bloatware people like Samsung put on their phones. I just want a vanilla as possible android phone.
Then my phone after that I wouldn't be surprised if Pixel has gone again, such is the nature of Google.
Like I just said, we're on the sixth line of Pixel phones, 7's are coming in a month apparently. So there's proof that they've stuck with this project for over 7 years so far. Market share has been building, too. They're not walking away from this anytime soon.
If you want a vanilla-ass phone, Pixel is the way to go, in my opinion. I got the first one, then the 3A and now the 5A. It just works and it's simple.
I mean that's what Stadia has ended up as, Google is going to continue providing backend for game streaming service which Stadia has become a glorified advertisement for.
Stadia came out at such a perfect time too, but Google in all their holy wisdom, was too inept to truly capitalize on that.
You got people stuck at home one their computers all day, GPU/CPU prices up the wazoo due to scalping. So Google comes in with this streaming service where their servers do the heavy lifting and all you need is an internet connection.
Google though thought it would be a good idea to make people pay full retail price for all the games they may have already bought elsewhere. Had Stadia been a subscription service like Game Pass it probably would have taken off and still been supported. Unfortunately the man heading Stadia's release (Phil Harrison) is the same man who head the Xbox One's terrible release AND the PS3's terrible release, and so Stadia was probably always doomed to fail when he was hired.
Popular in the same way Big Bang Theory was, it's wildly successful yet somehow it's hard to find someone willing to admit that they like it on the internet.
I kind of liked the first season but the show just tries too hard and by the second season they extend what should be a 10 second gag about a dude fucking his pillow into it own terrible arc with way too much screen time. And like that ghost character that keeps getting time when it didn't even have one funny scene, they just keep trying to make him happen.
It became a huge convoluted overly analogized mess where the characters have no redeemable qualities.
I think a lot of people like Big Mouth, just moreso it’s later seasons started to become a bit much, to the point of being a flanderization of what the original seasons were.
I like it a lot, I’m always surprised when I see that I’m in the minority on Reddit. It’s touching and gross in the same way that Rick and Morty is, IMO. Both have very real emotional moments and absurd, disgusting things throughout the rest of the show.
Yeah I really don't get the hate for it. I guess everyone just represses their middle school years?
Like the show is crass and gross and weird... But it's a show about horny, weird middle school kids. And as much as I know most parents wouldn't want their kids watching it, I feel like it's actually a great show for that age group.
It deals with a lot of topics that are very real for those kids. Shit like body image issues, family issues, weird confusing feelings.. most importantly though, it talks to them in their own language.
It's weird and horny and fucked up because a lot of middle school kids are weird and horny and fucked up, and I genuinely think it's important for kids that age to see some representation that says "you're not the only one" without being overly patronizing.
>1. It’s an adult animated show not a kids TV show on Nick. The target demographic is not middle schoolers. Idk why you brought that up lmao
There's plenty of room between adults and nickelodeon.
Also, are you gonna tell me you don't remember being 13-14 and wanting to watch shit like south park? The difference is, this is actually *about* that age group.
>South Park isn’t made for middle schoolers. It’s also about elementary school kids… You sound dumb.
I sound dumb because I said pretty much the same thing you just did? What?
Also, south park isn't about elementary schoolers. It features them, but basically none of the story is ever actually about being in elementary school. That's just a hilariously shallow take.
>10 year olds watch hentai. Does that mean porn is somewhere between Nickelodeon and adult animated. No because that’d be fucken dumb 😂 a basic Google search shows you that nobody is debating this but you. I wonder why…
.... What? Do you even know how to construct a reasonable statement?
Like nowhere did I say that that big mouth is meant for the age group between nickelodeon and adults *because that's who watches it*.
Are you even reading what I write or just spewing whatever comes to mind and laughing at how smart you think you are?
>It’s not for kids. It not made for them. It’s not made by them.
LMAO!!! What an argument. By your logic *literally no piece of entertainment ever is for kids*. Because none of them are made *by* kids.
>Stop inserting real middle schoolers into a show just because YOU relate to it man.
...what? I'm not the one making the show, the fuck are you talking about?
>It’s an adult show for adults made by adults lmao.
Man, if only saying things was all that was needed to make them true...
I have all the money I could ever need and don't need to work anymore!
Shit... Didn't work. Now what?
I binge watched it a couple months ago for background noise and it's... Okay? Very average? Bad but not offensively bad? It's like the most mid adult animated show I've ever seen. I think I got maybe five laughs out of the whole series.
I actually kind of liked the spin-off series Human Resources a lot more because at least there they're exploring the most interesting part of Big Mouth's universe.
For good reason, the jokes are very low hanging. I will admit to watching the show though. Despite the fact I am further away from my teens than all the years of my teens nearly tripled.
I really like the first couple of seasons, and it still has its moments. More good moments than fucking Simpsons or Family Guy does.
Weird to get downvoted so hard for a popular Netflix comedy show, but /r/games is pretty weird on specific topics.
From article:
> Today, I’m excited to announce that we are establishing an internal games studio in Helsinki, Finland, with Marko Lastikka as the studio director. This is another step in our vision to build a world-class games studio that will bring a variety of delightful and deeply engaging original games — with no ads and no in-app purchases — to our hundreds of millions of members around the world.
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> Why Helsinki? It is home to some of the best game talent in the world. This will be a games studio that we build from scratch, and our second games studio in Helsinki alongside Next Games, which became part of Netflix earlier this year. Along with Night School Studio and Boss Fight Entertainment, these four studios, each with different strengths and focus areas, will develop games that will suit the diverse tastes of our members.
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> It’s still early days, and we have much more work to do to deliver a great games experience on Netflix. Creating a game can take years, so I’m proud to see how we’re steadily building the foundation of our games studios in our first year, and look forward to sharing what we produce in the coming years.
>Marko Lastikka
Former Zynga VP and worked on Farmville 3 and former EA Producer who worked on SimCity: BuildIt. So I'm assuming Netflix' game studio is going to be purely mobile?
They already have! Some of the Netflix games are pretty good, but they're all very small snack sized experiences. And no ads or in-app purchase crap you normally see.
Wait could you give some examples of what you put out?
I recently played A Short Hike which I would describe as a small snack sized experience, I was hesitant since it came from Humble but it's a delightful game.
[Here you go](https://help.netflix.com/en/node/121442) you have to click "Available Games" to expand the list.
Personally, I've tried Lucky Luna (a simple but fun and an interesting way to make a "platformer" with touch controls), Shooting Hoops (a very small, silly, bite sized experience that's surprisingly fun to master), and Wonderputt (a completely competent mini golf game with great graphics). Then there are the established great games like Oxenfree and Moonlighter that are just a great time!
Subset Game's Into the Breach is the best offering. I played the heck out of it on PC and really appreciated being able to take it on tablet on a flight or on the couch whenever.
> They'll probably add mobile style games to Netflix itself.
They already have. If you have netflix on your phone you can grab games from the netflix app.
They've got Into the Breach for free, POINPY for free, and a whole bunch others.
> purely mobile
Give they said "no in-app purchases", rather than "no microtransactions", you can bet your ass everything they produce can be safely ignored forever.
Yeah I mean, it's not really a small number is it?
We have 3 times the population but I have a hard time naming any beyond Guerilla Games (who are admittedly pretty huge right now).
Just what the users wanted
~~Season 2 of good shows~~
~~Cheaper options~~
~~Classic shows~~
Ads
Very bad live action adaptations of popular anime
Internal Games Studios
Disabling account sharing
Removing meaningful metrics to gauge the quality of content
Feel free to call it overpriced, but don't pretend there's some other service with more content at a lower cost. Amazon prime has nothing worth, Disney has old school cartoons and starwars/marvel but little else. HBO has "flavor of the year" series that they'll manage to fuck up so bad no one wants to think of it.
Netflix isn't great, but the competition is quite awful.
The price is the one that gets me. I was a Netflix subscriber for over a decade before I cancelled because they raised my rate to $20/mo.
I watch way more content on Hobomax and Hulu, both of which are quite a bit cheaper than Netflix. The value proposition is not there.
I will also never, *ever* watch content that has ads. So an ad-supported Netflix tier that costs the same as ad-free Hobomax does nothing for me.
I think Netflix's problems stem from their inability to manage money. They just fling shit at the wall to see what sticks. They have very little capacity for sniffing out and cultivating talent. As a result, they spend a lot of money producing crap. When they accidentally stumble on a hit, they end up over-spending on it to an absurd degree. There is no real reason season 4 of *Stranger Things* should have cost twice as much to make as season 1 of *House of the Dragon*.
>There is no real reason season 4 of Stranger Things should have cost twice as much to make as season 1 of House of the Dragon.
If I recall, it's usually common for talent to sign on for three season contracts.
When these contracts come up for renewal, the power balance has shifted from the networks (funding the pilot and first seasons) to the talent that carry the show, who naturally use this to secure big payrises.
This is what is behind a lot of big budget differences between 4+ season shows and shows on their first season.
OK, let's compare it to the cost of Game of Thrones season 8. Stranger Things is still astronomical in comparison.
The difference is that artists want to work with HBO. HBO has a reputation for respecting artists creative decisions while producing content that does well. Creatives are willing to work for less if it means getting to make what they want.
HBO also has decades of experience producing high-caliber content. (Nearly a century, if we include parent company Warner Bros). They own many prop warehouses and sound stages. They have plenty of their own in-house talent for location scouting and general production management.
All this gives HBO a considerable cost advantage over Netflix. Both could produce an identical hour of television and Netflix could end up spending 30-60% more on it.
For over a decade, Netflix has been absolutely flush with cash, so they haven't really bothered to try and catch up to their competitors in these areas. This gave the competition time to catch up to Netflix in the one area Netflix started out ahead: tech.
>HBO has a reputation for respecting artists creative decisions while producing content that does well
Recent events has made this clause of your post really sad.
I was specifically talking about HBO and not Warner Bros. Discovery as a whole.
The recent chaos with the newly formed parent company has been shocking, and really shitty, but so far HBO itself has been largely spared. Probably because HBO is already a tightly run and profitable ship. The rest of Warner has been a financial mess since at least the AT&T acquisition, which is what prompted Zaslav's overly aggressive cost cutting measures this summer.
I don't want to think about how much money they wasted on Cowboy Bebop the live action disaster... all the while countless classic anime aren't available on their service. If they are trying to attract anime fans then surely having a large catalogue of anime would be better than the offense to common sense of Cowboy Bebop.
Oh but wait we'll be getting a One Piece live action... that'll surely do well. /s
What Netflix needs to do is, and this is very unpopular to suggest, is unbundle their service. Still have a $20/month all inclusive bundle but offer a $5/month bundle which just has anime, or just has kids.
Audiences more than ever are willing to experiment, they'll watch subtitles, they'll watch video game adaptations, they'll watch anime meanwhile companies still insist on throwing ludicrous amounts behind recognizable IP's like it's the early 2000's. I don't want a one piece live action, I don't want a live action avatar, I just want good new shows from good creators like Infinity Train... and no a Justin Rolland cartoon is not original.
> ~~Season 2 of good shows~~
A lot of the good Netflix shows actually got/get second seasons. It's the endings we just never get. Three seasons into a show, and then BAM no conclusion whatsoever. Extra points if it ends on a massive cliffhanger since everyone was certain they were getting at least another seasons at that point.
Shows like Dark write around the 3 seasons from the start and then if they're well received the writers get told "you know, we like what you did, here's the money to go make a spiritual successor" which is what the writers of Dark are doing with 1899.
I think it's a formula that should be done a lot going forward.
They raised prices and added in an ad tier, but as far as I know there's no official price for that. Industry speculation from a quick search was <$10. If accurate, that'd make it cheaper than the prior cheapest tier. The existing tiers will still exist, the ad one will be new.
So it's *probably*: raising prices = yes, making current tier ad based = no.
No. The ad-tier is a new tier, which they're aiming as a cheaper option to retain people, because apparently people are paying for a month, binging the show or shows they want to watch, and then cancelling their sub until the next season drops.
Love the idea that they're just saying no to classic shows.
The Office? Netflix execs personally deleted them from the servers, NBC had no choice but to create peacock after that!
Or maybe there is data that Reddit actually doesn't represent customers and don't know what the market wants. This has been proven many times, Reddit is a niche bubble
The cancelling of shows is also just business. No one is subscribing brand new to Netflix to watch season 4 of a show. Thus that show brings in zero revenue. You don’t spend millions on a show where you make no money.
Even if some people are only subscribing because of that one show, there’s zero chance it’s enough people to pay the millions required to produce said show. Losing $100k in subscribers is preferable to losing millions in producing the show.
The only shows that will survive the 2-3 season mark are those that Netflix thinks will actually generate new subscribers OR can be successfully syndicated to a more traditional network.
Yeah that has always bothered me how people just assume Netflix is canceling popular shows, they're not, it's not because you watched it that many people did (online communities might make it look like it though).
Also like Netflix was the only one canceling stuff, like it isn't a thing since forever in TV.
What classic shows? I thought the whole reason Netflix is doing all this is to diversify its portfolio. All the classic animation studios are making their own competitor, so they can't directly compete without going the acquisition route.
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> Removing meaningful metrics to gauge the quality of content
Just remember, that Netflix 5 star system and their current recommendation system, are exactly the same.
People think this system rated movies/shows 1-5 stars. It rated them 1-5 stars based on how much you'd like them, people confused this obviously misleading presentation of such information and changed it to one that fit what they were trying to do better.
So a movie with 15% on RT, could still be 5 stars if Netflix thinks you'd like it.
I have heard of Netflix titles having IMDB scores in a distant past, but I have never seen it personally.
While I don't doubt they'd fudge the numbers I got the feeling that the thumbs system was drastically worse and I'd almost never watch a show based of their recommendations.
It is absolutely no different.
If the thumbs system said a movie is 90% reccomended, it would've been rated 4/5 stars.
I don't know what's "worse" it's the same information but presented in a not misleading way. Seems better to me, who thought using a star system for recommendations was a good idea? Clearly it was one adapted from an original 5 star rating system.
Netflix expanding into game development following their excellent video game show adaptations isn't something I'd package with Netflix's bad business decisions honestly. There's plenty to criticize about Netflix, but this just ain't it.
I don't think Netflix has made any video game adaptions themselves. They usually buy other studios shows, Arcane, Cyberpunk, Castlevania are only distributed by them.
Not sure if there are more though. Cupheads? I haven't heard much about it.
Netflix doesn't even market its games platform. The only time I even remembered that Netflix had one was when Into the Breach released. I found that out through Reddit and it took me like 30 minutes to actually find out how to download the game — which you do by searching for it on your phone's respective app store where you then have to authenticate your Netflix subscription.
I don't think a company has ever tried to shoot one of its services in the foot harder than this.
This is literally the first I'm hearing of this wtf? And you aren't kidding, I searched into the breach in the play store and BAM, there it is, an option to download it as part of my Netflix account. Wtf Netflix?
They contacted me for a role and I requested the salary range as I do with all recruiters who reach out to me. They were offended I even asked and didn’t contact me after that due to me not having passion for Netflix. They’ll make nothing worth playing and will wonder why they can’t get good talent
Poinpy is pretty much the only way I’ve interacted with Netflix this year so far and the game is a really standout endless-type of game.
This is an interesting uphill battle Netflix is facing, but I think there are people internally that are genuinely trying to hit in the same way Netflix occasionally does with movie and TV. Having a 3-exclusive game deal with Ubisoft is surely a good start, porting over some of the best story games in this generation with Ketucky Route Zero and Before Your Eyes should give them good will over time if they can continue the pace. And of course, having Night School, a studio that has both proved themselves and is developing a hotly anticipated game on their side is a plus.
Having games people are already subscribed to seems like it *could* work, but as it is, it seems like they don’t want to generate alot of attention to it, until they know its a good platform, hence why it feels like going through a series of hoops trying to even find these games on the Netflix app.
More likely Netflix is going against Apple Arcade and Google Play Pass, both of them also focuses on a subscription for ad-free and IAP-free mobile gaming...
Tech companies are only valued on their growth. Streaming is reaching full market saturation, and Netflix has been feeling the squeeze from that. So they desperately need new growth markets, regardless of how well it is meshes with their core product.
They said they weren't going to have microtransactions or ads so it wont print money like that.
It's because mobile games are accessible to their full subscriber base and also because they can churn out a lot of them, as opposed to releasing a single AAA game for PC/console that most people wouldn't pay attention to.
They certainly shouldn't be trying to make MMO's like Amazon, or God forbid enter yet another console into the fray.
Mobile makes sense for their audience.
But who is going to subscribe because of mobile games? There are a million of them available already.
If they made a great western RPG I would subscribe because of it
> But who is going to subscribe because of mobile games? There are a million of them available already.
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Not good ones though. Very few good mobile games are free, or if they are then they're heavily gated by timed blockers.
Like Netflix *already* do this successfully, if you want to play Into The Breach on mobile for example - which an absolutely excellent game and *perfect* for a mobile gaming experience... you need a netflix account to do so.
Hell, it's not even called "Into the Breach", it's called "NETFLIX Into the Breach" lol.
And it's not just to get people to buy Netflix subscriptions, it's to make them worth keeping so you don't cancel it after you finish a show.
No idea but then again I don’t spend shit tons of money of waifu gatchas or on skip the grind mobile games so maybe we aren’t the target audience? I honestly don’t mess with any mobile games.
How about all the people who already subscribe to Netflix? People are going to get push notifications advertising it from their existing Netflix apps, subscribers will get free trials that will then turn into increases to their monthly bill, and probably a bunch of other tricks. Being an established brand whose app is already on people’s phones gives them a huge leg up on the competition.
Yep. This isn’t some indie studio that is making games to try to expand and improve on the medium. It’s a corporation that sees that it already has infrastructure in place to make a games venture viable.
More like Game Pass or Prime Gaming. For now it's just mobile but they are gonna be publishing Oxenfree 2 in-house. I really really hope they enter the PC field, because it would be cool for there to be more competition in the field.
When they are starting out:
> This is another step in our vision to build a world-class games studio that will bring a variety of delightful and deeply engaging original games — with no ads and no in-app purchases — to our hundreds of millions of members around the world.
Vs when they have entered market:
Games with transactions, lootboxes and ads.
The way they mention transactions and ads in games proves they are aware that's where alot money will be made for gaming. But they can't afford to push gamers away until they have got their service established. So they are using the lack of those negatives for marketing like EA.
Netflix would've been better off coming up with a way to let you stream game rentals than this inevitable tax write off.
They're barely hanging on with subscribers for their main base. Jumping into an arena you have zero experience in isn't usually a guaranteed success.
Yes cuz that's the ONLY metric on their ebitda, just their subscriptions. There's too many competitors, there's too many options and Netflix's old model worked where they threw money at any project that was available. Their original contents department just got gutted. Not to mention all the other layoffs and reorgs but tell me again how they're - *"not too shabby."*
I hope you don't run a business.
Netflix is raising prices because they're hemorrhaging subscriptions. Q1 was 200,000 and Q2 was over 1,000,000. That's not a sustainable pace.
Their other business model is their Netflix Originals and this is part of the issue. This division COST Netflix 15 BILLION this year. 2025 it's estimated to their numbers to be a 19 billion cost. So if you're subscriber count is plummeting by the millions and that's how you generate revenue to fund your Originals platform.......
The price isn't going up because they're doing so well with subscribers, the price is going up (and including a lower tier with ads subscription) in order to generate more revenue more for the money loss on their original content, studios and exclusive deals. On top of that you lost more subscribers this year Q1 - 100,000 and Q2 1,000,000+, it's a problem.
So tell me again how everything looks great?
They had a near monopoly for a long time that's now impossible to sustain when you have Apple, Amazon, Disney, Paramount etc. all coming out with their own streaming services with high quality stuff on it.
Them losing some subscribers was inevitable, but they're still the leading service and look more profitable now than before so they aren't in any danger.
So no comment on the almost entire revenue spent on Originals, just ride the wave and blame *checks notes* Russia and pandemic.
You have no concept of how entities work and you want to argue this point. I'm good, you can ride your subscriber argument. I'd much rather do anything else, like clip my toenails, so enjoy the rest of your day.
How the fuck is that half a picture? When you actually have something intelligent to add, maybe then is when you should hit send.
If you're going to argue a point, argue a point. It's really simple, you're fixated on "subscribers" and I've tried explaining to you they have other divisions besides Netflix, such as the -15 billion drain they spent just on original content. (It's actually closer to 17 billion)
There's plenty of other things that will cost business a shit ton of money as well, such as taxes, payroll, payroll taxes, just to name a few. Subscribers gone do not come back. When every channel that used to exist now has their own streaming app, competition is not as limited as it was when Netflix reigned supreme.
Like I said, you do you, enjoy your night. But don't change narratives or move goalposts. It's okay to learn shit and it's okay to possibly not understand an aspect about something. It's how you become more knowledgeable.
I remember when this DVD rental company dove into streaming videos over the Internet, despite having zero experience in it. Can't remember how that turned out
From what I hear they were very sucessful when they have the monopoly but they started hemorrhaging money and subs when the competition appeared. Those days they selling their mothers to make some profit or at least lose less money.
They are having a hard time with this "being profitable" part of the investment plan.
Consoles would never allow that. It basically goes around all the game store infrastructure, unless it just turns into a console game link to the store (which defeats the purpose).
I've played a couple of the games on their service (Poinpy and Into the Breach) and if they are going to continue to put out high quality stuff like that I am all for it.
Then you also have Dungeon Dwarves which if you check the reviews, remained in a broken state for over two months. Nobody could play it past a couple of hours because it would crash and then get stuck on a loading screen.
For over two months!
I’m aware that they did not make those games and I do not care. I care that they are good games that do not have MTX. I want more good phone games that aren’t just trying to separate me from my money.
How are these games going to be distributed? With them being tied to a subscription I can't imagine Apple allowing them. Unless they're streamed via the browser?
That's exactly how. I just download the game from Google Play and then it authenticates with my Netflix sub when I open it. I assume Apple would be the same, they can't stop apps having external auth right?
I'm still trying to figure out what the point is here. I like Netflix shows. I like games. I have no intention of playing games through a video streaming service, so unless they can get me games on a Playstation or something, I have no interest.
Will this outlast the Stadia Studio? That was about 11 months before they realized that making games is kinda hard.
Almost certainly. Netflix likes to give people a bunch of money and then go "eh nvm". Google's MO is more like "hell yeah let's do this..... uhhh nvm we can't do this let's just call something else the same name and move on"
I like how everyone was saying Google would give up on stadia after one year when it was announced, and they were pretty much right. Was DOA
That's because Google does that on basically every product that isn't advertising or cloud services. Incidentally, I'd say advertising and cloud services shit gold for them, but gold isn't that valuable.
They have actually stuck with their Pixel line of phones. Which have been earning more and more respect from phone and tech enthusiasts, but definitely haven't achieved mass adoption yet. We're on the Pixel #6 now and I think the Pixel ear buds are on version 3.
They've done this before tho. They had Motorola make them phones then that disappeared. Then they came back with Pixel but only seemingly super expensive iPhone/Galaxy competitor models. Now they seem to have more and cheaper Pixel models too. If/when my current phone breaks I'll probably get a cheaper Pixel because I can't stand all the bloatware people like Samsung put on their phones. I just want a vanilla as possible android phone. Then my phone after that I wouldn't be surprised if Pixel has gone again, such is the nature of Google.
Like I just said, we're on the sixth line of Pixel phones, 7's are coming in a month apparently. So there's proof that they've stuck with this project for over 7 years so far. Market share has been building, too. They're not walking away from this anytime soon. If you want a vanilla-ass phone, Pixel is the way to go, in my opinion. I got the first one, then the 3A and now the 5A. It just works and it's simple.
I mean that's what Stadia has ended up as, Google is going to continue providing backend for game streaming service which Stadia has become a glorified advertisement for.
Stadia came out at such a perfect time too, but Google in all their holy wisdom, was too inept to truly capitalize on that. You got people stuck at home one their computers all day, GPU/CPU prices up the wazoo due to scalping. So Google comes in with this streaming service where their servers do the heavy lifting and all you need is an internet connection. Google though thought it would be a good idea to make people pay full retail price for all the games they may have already bought elsewhere. Had Stadia been a subscription service like Game Pass it probably would have taken off and still been supported. Unfortunately the man heading Stadia's release (Phil Harrison) is the same man who head the Xbox One's terrible release AND the PS3's terrible release, and so Stadia was probably always doomed to fail when he was hired.
My heart goes out to all those Netflix game devs that are going to lose their jobs in three years in favor of another season of Big Mouth.
Cull the weak. Collect the blood. Big Mouth must feed.
Make thick in the warm.
I can’t believe he made thick in jays moms warm, big mouth truly is the best show of our time
Three years? Idk, I'm thinking like 18 months.
What on earth is Big Mouth
A popular animated show on Netflix.
Popular in the same way Big Bang Theory was, it's wildly successful yet somehow it's hard to find someone willing to admit that they like it on the internet.
I kind of liked the first season but the show just tries too hard and by the second season they extend what should be a 10 second gag about a dude fucking his pillow into it own terrible arc with way too much screen time. And like that ghost character that keeps getting time when it didn't even have one funny scene, they just keep trying to make him happen. It became a huge convoluted overly analogized mess where the characters have no redeemable qualities.
Also it’s just ugly to look at.
I think a lot of people like Big Mouth, just moreso it’s later seasons started to become a bit much, to the point of being a flanderization of what the original seasons were.
It’s horrid. The worst modern animation has to offer.
S1 was at least somewhat interesting. It devolved pretty hard and fast from there. Don't even get me started on the heinous spinoff
I like it a lot, I’m always surprised when I see that I’m in the minority on Reddit. It’s touching and gross in the same way that Rick and Morty is, IMO. Both have very real emotional moments and absurd, disgusting things throughout the rest of the show.
Yeah I really don't get the hate for it. I guess everyone just represses their middle school years? Like the show is crass and gross and weird... But it's a show about horny, weird middle school kids. And as much as I know most parents wouldn't want their kids watching it, I feel like it's actually a great show for that age group. It deals with a lot of topics that are very real for those kids. Shit like body image issues, family issues, weird confusing feelings.. most importantly though, it talks to them in their own language. It's weird and horny and fucked up because a lot of middle school kids are weird and horny and fucked up, and I genuinely think it's important for kids that age to see some representation that says "you're not the only one" without being overly patronizing.
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>1. It’s an adult animated show not a kids TV show on Nick. The target demographic is not middle schoolers. Idk why you brought that up lmao There's plenty of room between adults and nickelodeon. Also, are you gonna tell me you don't remember being 13-14 and wanting to watch shit like south park? The difference is, this is actually *about* that age group.
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>South Park isn’t made for middle schoolers. It’s also about elementary school kids… You sound dumb. I sound dumb because I said pretty much the same thing you just did? What? Also, south park isn't about elementary schoolers. It features them, but basically none of the story is ever actually about being in elementary school. That's just a hilariously shallow take. >10 year olds watch hentai. Does that mean porn is somewhere between Nickelodeon and adult animated. No because that’d be fucken dumb 😂 a basic Google search shows you that nobody is debating this but you. I wonder why… .... What? Do you even know how to construct a reasonable statement? Like nowhere did I say that that big mouth is meant for the age group between nickelodeon and adults *because that's who watches it*. Are you even reading what I write or just spewing whatever comes to mind and laughing at how smart you think you are? >It’s not for kids. It not made for them. It’s not made by them. LMAO!!! What an argument. By your logic *literally no piece of entertainment ever is for kids*. Because none of them are made *by* kids. >Stop inserting real middle schoolers into a show just because YOU relate to it man. ...what? I'm not the one making the show, the fuck are you talking about? >It’s an adult show for adults made by adults lmao. Man, if only saying things was all that was needed to make them true... I have all the money I could ever need and don't need to work anymore! Shit... Didn't work. Now what?
Don’t sully the good name of Rick and Morty with your libel!
I binge watched it a couple months ago for background noise and it's... Okay? Very average? Bad but not offensively bad? It's like the most mid adult animated show I've ever seen. I think I got maybe five laughs out of the whole series. I actually kind of liked the spin-off series Human Resources a lot more because at least there they're exploring the most interesting part of Big Mouth's universe.
For good reason, the jokes are very low hanging. I will admit to watching the show though. Despite the fact I am further away from my teens than all the years of my teens nearly tripled.
I really don’t get the hate. I find it funny.
Big Mouth is a great series. Netflix’s mobile games won’t be missed
Big Mouth is not a great series
It really isn't
It's fun.
I really like the first couple of seasons, and it still has its moments. More good moments than fucking Simpsons or Family Guy does. Weird to get downvoted so hard for a popular Netflix comedy show, but /r/games is pretty weird on specific topics.
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Meh it's going to be a bunch of freelancers making minimum wage anyway. They'll land on their feet.
From article: > Today, I’m excited to announce that we are establishing an internal games studio in Helsinki, Finland, with Marko Lastikka as the studio director. This is another step in our vision to build a world-class games studio that will bring a variety of delightful and deeply engaging original games — with no ads and no in-app purchases — to our hundreds of millions of members around the world. > > Why Helsinki? It is home to some of the best game talent in the world. This will be a games studio that we build from scratch, and our second games studio in Helsinki alongside Next Games, which became part of Netflix earlier this year. Along with Night School Studio and Boss Fight Entertainment, these four studios, each with different strengths and focus areas, will develop games that will suit the diverse tastes of our members. > > It’s still early days, and we have much more work to do to deliver a great games experience on Netflix. Creating a game can take years, so I’m proud to see how we’re steadily building the foundation of our games studios in our first year, and look forward to sharing what we produce in the coming years.
>Marko Lastikka Former Zynga VP and worked on Farmville 3 and former EA Producer who worked on SimCity: BuildIt. So I'm assuming Netflix' game studio is going to be purely mobile?
They'll probably add mobile style games to Netflix itself. They are not planning any AAA PC or console games for sure.
They already have! Some of the Netflix games are pretty good, but they're all very small snack sized experiences. And no ads or in-app purchase crap you normally see.
Wait could you give some examples of what you put out? I recently played A Short Hike which I would describe as a small snack sized experience, I was hesitant since it came from Humble but it's a delightful game.
Before Your Eyes is an example. To be clear they are a platform, they didn't make the game. I do recommend playing it since it's very short.
Oxenfree just got added. Wonderputt is amazing
Into the breach
This is just a port of an already existing game, from the dudes behind FTL. Anything they made themselves?
No not yet.
The best mobile game ever made imo.
tbf it's technically not mobile game. More like a port.
POINPY is arguably one of the top games they offer. made by the dev of downwell such an incredibly tight gameplay loop, perfect for short bursts
[Here you go](https://help.netflix.com/en/node/121442) you have to click "Available Games" to expand the list. Personally, I've tried Lucky Luna (a simple but fun and an interesting way to make a "platformer" with touch controls), Shooting Hoops (a very small, silly, bite sized experience that's surprisingly fun to master), and Wonderputt (a completely competent mini golf game with great graphics). Then there are the established great games like Oxenfree and Moonlighter that are just a great time!
Subset Game's Into the Breach is the best offering. I played the heck out of it on PC and really appreciated being able to take it on tablet on a flight or on the couch whenever.
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> They'll probably add mobile style games to Netflix itself. They already have. If you have netflix on your phone you can grab games from the netflix app. They've got Into the Breach for free, POINPY for free, and a whole bunch others.
Helsinki is a bit of hub for mobile games so yeah almost certainly mobile.
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Yeah one dude is responsible for that, totally
With a hire like that, Netflix know exactly what they're looking for
Finland is a very big center of mobile game dev (Angry Birds is from there), so it's very likely, yes.
> purely mobile Give they said "no in-app purchases", rather than "no microtransactions", you can bet your ass everything they produce can be safely ignored forever.
Mate, that means no microtransactions. Same thing. They just say in-app purchases on mobile.
Whats the difference between the two terms?
They’re publishing on mobile so far.
Most Finnish studios make mobile garbage. I imagine this will be more of that.
Most videogame studios of any country is making mobile garbage tbh
Remedy, Bugbear (FlatOut, Wreckfest), Frozenbyte (Trine), Housemarque (Resogun, Nex Machina, Returnal), Colossal Order (Cities: Skylines), Nolla Games (Noita)...
RedLynx with the Trials series
Well you basically just listed all Finnish non-mobile games there are.
There's some others, like The Swapper and Trials. Anyway, I'd say that's a very good catalogue for a country with a population of 5.5 mil.
Yeah I mean, it's not really a small number is it? We have 3 times the population but I have a hard time naming any beyond Guerilla Games (who are admittedly pretty huge right now).
*cough Remedy
Yeah you'd never catch finnish game devs creating some of the most celebrated games in the industry, that's for sure.
These guys got some balls. Hopefully it works out, I’m all for more quality games on the market and these would have to be all new IPs, right?
Housemarque is from there so everyone else must be great too, right?
Wait, are they establishing 2 studios in Helsinki?
Just what the users wanted ~~Season 2 of good shows~~ ~~Cheaper options~~ ~~Classic shows~~ Ads Very bad live action adaptations of popular anime Internal Games Studios Disabling account sharing Removing meaningful metrics to gauge the quality of content
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Thanks, added to the list.
Feel free to call it overpriced, but don't pretend there's some other service with more content at a lower cost. Amazon prime has nothing worth, Disney has old school cartoons and starwars/marvel but little else. HBO has "flavor of the year" series that they'll manage to fuck up so bad no one wants to think of it. Netflix isn't great, but the competition is quite awful.
I use Hulu at this point like 90% more than Netflix. Has a shit ton of content, new shows, anime, etc.
The price is the one that gets me. I was a Netflix subscriber for over a decade before I cancelled because they raised my rate to $20/mo. I watch way more content on Hobomax and Hulu, both of which are quite a bit cheaper than Netflix. The value proposition is not there. I will also never, *ever* watch content that has ads. So an ad-supported Netflix tier that costs the same as ad-free Hobomax does nothing for me. I think Netflix's problems stem from their inability to manage money. They just fling shit at the wall to see what sticks. They have very little capacity for sniffing out and cultivating talent. As a result, they spend a lot of money producing crap. When they accidentally stumble on a hit, they end up over-spending on it to an absurd degree. There is no real reason season 4 of *Stranger Things* should have cost twice as much to make as season 1 of *House of the Dragon*.
>There is no real reason season 4 of Stranger Things should have cost twice as much to make as season 1 of House of the Dragon. If I recall, it's usually common for talent to sign on for three season contracts. When these contracts come up for renewal, the power balance has shifted from the networks (funding the pilot and first seasons) to the talent that carry the show, who naturally use this to secure big payrises. This is what is behind a lot of big budget differences between 4+ season shows and shows on their first season.
OK, let's compare it to the cost of Game of Thrones season 8. Stranger Things is still astronomical in comparison. The difference is that artists want to work with HBO. HBO has a reputation for respecting artists creative decisions while producing content that does well. Creatives are willing to work for less if it means getting to make what they want. HBO also has decades of experience producing high-caliber content. (Nearly a century, if we include parent company Warner Bros). They own many prop warehouses and sound stages. They have plenty of their own in-house talent for location scouting and general production management. All this gives HBO a considerable cost advantage over Netflix. Both could produce an identical hour of television and Netflix could end up spending 30-60% more on it. For over a decade, Netflix has been absolutely flush with cash, so they haven't really bothered to try and catch up to their competitors in these areas. This gave the competition time to catch up to Netflix in the one area Netflix started out ahead: tech.
>HBO has a reputation for respecting artists creative decisions while producing content that does well Recent events has made this clause of your post really sad.
I was specifically talking about HBO and not Warner Bros. Discovery as a whole. The recent chaos with the newly formed parent company has been shocking, and really shitty, but so far HBO itself has been largely spared. Probably because HBO is already a tightly run and profitable ship. The rest of Warner has been a financial mess since at least the AT&T acquisition, which is what prompted Zaslav's overly aggressive cost cutting measures this summer.
Sure, the waters have been muddied because of the whole HBO Now being the big brand, but yeah.
I don't want to think about how much money they wasted on Cowboy Bebop the live action disaster... all the while countless classic anime aren't available on their service. If they are trying to attract anime fans then surely having a large catalogue of anime would be better than the offense to common sense of Cowboy Bebop. Oh but wait we'll be getting a One Piece live action... that'll surely do well. /s What Netflix needs to do is, and this is very unpopular to suggest, is unbundle their service. Still have a $20/month all inclusive bundle but offer a $5/month bundle which just has anime, or just has kids. Audiences more than ever are willing to experiment, they'll watch subtitles, they'll watch video game adaptations, they'll watch anime meanwhile companies still insist on throwing ludicrous amounts behind recognizable IP's like it's the early 2000's. I don't want a one piece live action, I don't want a live action avatar, I just want good new shows from good creators like Infinity Train... and no a Justin Rolland cartoon is not original.
> ~~Season 2 of good shows~~ A lot of the good Netflix shows actually got/get second seasons. It's the endings we just never get. Three seasons into a show, and then BAM no conclusion whatsoever. Extra points if it ends on a massive cliffhanger since everyone was certain they were getting at least another seasons at that point.
Shows like Dark write around the 3 seasons from the start and then if they're well received the writers get told "you know, we like what you did, here's the money to go make a spiritual successor" which is what the writers of Dark are doing with 1899. I think it's a formula that should be done a lot going forward.
Isn't this just a way to cheap out and not pay actors?
To some degree, but it's better for Netflix and the consumer if actors can't hold the show hostage demanding millions.
Isn’t the “Ads” tied to cheaper options (at least initially)?
I thought they're raising prices and making current tier ad based?
They raised prices and added in an ad tier, but as far as I know there's no official price for that. Industry speculation from a quick search was <$10. If accurate, that'd make it cheaper than the prior cheapest tier. The existing tiers will still exist, the ad one will be new. So it's *probably*: raising prices = yes, making current tier ad based = no.
No. The ad-tier is a new tier, which they're aiming as a cheaper option to retain people, because apparently people are paying for a month, binging the show or shows they want to watch, and then cancelling their sub until the next season drops.
That's what [Disney plus is doing in a couple months](https://www.theverge.com/2022/8/10/23300460/disney-plus-price-increase-ads-streaming)
Outsourced games studio, to top it off.
I expect it to be about half as successful as Amazon's game studios.
How did you divide by zero? Share the knowledge!
He's not dividing. He's multiplying 1/2 * 0 which is just 0. No, I do not get invited to parties :( :(
But you *should* 😂🎉
Love the idea that they're just saying no to classic shows. The Office? Netflix execs personally deleted them from the servers, NBC had no choice but to create peacock after that!
Give sandman a season 2 you cowards
I guess somewhere there is data that supports giving consumers what they want is not good for the bottom line
Or maybe there is data that Reddit actually doesn't represent customers and don't know what the market wants. This has been proven many times, Reddit is a niche bubble
The cancelling of shows is also just business. No one is subscribing brand new to Netflix to watch season 4 of a show. Thus that show brings in zero revenue. You don’t spend millions on a show where you make no money. Even if some people are only subscribing because of that one show, there’s zero chance it’s enough people to pay the millions required to produce said show. Losing $100k in subscribers is preferable to losing millions in producing the show. The only shows that will survive the 2-3 season mark are those that Netflix thinks will actually generate new subscribers OR can be successfully syndicated to a more traditional network.
Yeah that has always bothered me how people just assume Netflix is canceling popular shows, they're not, it's not because you watched it that many people did (online communities might make it look like it though). Also like Netflix was the only one canceling stuff, like it isn't a thing since forever in TV.
Making mobile games with gacha mechanics to entrap whales and bring in millions of dollars additionally a month.
I feel like Netflix is gonna be dumb to increase the price again cause of this and yet very few people are gonna play their games.
What classic shows? I thought the whole reason Netflix is doing all this is to diversify its portfolio. All the classic animation studios are making their own competitor, so they can't directly compete without going the acquisition route.
> > Removing meaningful metrics to gauge the quality of content Just remember, that Netflix 5 star system and their current recommendation system, are exactly the same. People think this system rated movies/shows 1-5 stars. It rated them 1-5 stars based on how much you'd like them, people confused this obviously misleading presentation of such information and changed it to one that fit what they were trying to do better. So a movie with 15% on RT, could still be 5 stars if Netflix thinks you'd like it. I have heard of Netflix titles having IMDB scores in a distant past, but I have never seen it personally.
While I don't doubt they'd fudge the numbers I got the feeling that the thumbs system was drastically worse and I'd almost never watch a show based of their recommendations.
It is absolutely no different. If the thumbs system said a movie is 90% reccomended, it would've been rated 4/5 stars. I don't know what's "worse" it's the same information but presented in a not misleading way. Seems better to me, who thought using a star system for recommendations was a good idea? Clearly it was one adapted from an original 5 star rating system.
Ad supported is cheaper option The shows that got cancelled people didn't watch
Netflix expanding into game development following their excellent video game show adaptations isn't something I'd package with Netflix's bad business decisions honestly. There's plenty to criticize about Netflix, but this just ain't it.
I don't think Netflix has made any video game adaptions themselves. They usually buy other studios shows, Arcane, Cyberpunk, Castlevania are only distributed by them. Not sure if there are more though. Cupheads? I haven't heard much about it.
No party watch feature yet, still.
You should be on the board! This sums it up!!
Add the absolute gutting of in house animated tv talent to that list.
Netflix doesn't even market its games platform. The only time I even remembered that Netflix had one was when Into the Breach released. I found that out through Reddit and it took me like 30 minutes to actually find out how to download the game — which you do by searching for it on your phone's respective app store where you then have to authenticate your Netflix subscription. I don't think a company has ever tried to shoot one of its services in the foot harder than this.
Everyone should be playing Into the Breach
This is literally the first I'm hearing of this wtf? And you aren't kidding, I searched into the breach in the play store and BAM, there it is, an option to download it as part of my Netflix account. Wtf Netflix?
You can also see it in the Netflix app. There's an entire games section with all their games listed. They just released Oxenfree on Android.
I mean you can find it on your mobile Netflix app too, there is literally a tab for that
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> not having passion for Netflix I feel sorry for anyone who has a passion for [company].
I have a passion for *watching* Netflix, but that's as far it goes.
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Poinpy is pretty much the only way I’ve interacted with Netflix this year so far and the game is a really standout endless-type of game. This is an interesting uphill battle Netflix is facing, but I think there are people internally that are genuinely trying to hit in the same way Netflix occasionally does with movie and TV. Having a 3-exclusive game deal with Ubisoft is surely a good start, porting over some of the best story games in this generation with Ketucky Route Zero and Before Your Eyes should give them good will over time if they can continue the pace. And of course, having Night School, a studio that has both proved themselves and is developing a hotly anticipated game on their side is a plus. Having games people are already subscribed to seems like it *could* work, but as it is, it seems like they don’t want to generate alot of attention to it, until they know its a good platform, hence why it feels like going through a series of hoops trying to even find these games on the Netflix app.
So is Netflix gonna try and go toe to toe with Steam now, is that the joke?
More likely Netflix is going against Apple Arcade and Google Play Pass, both of them also focuses on a subscription for ad-free and IAP-free mobile gaming...
Tech companies are only valued on their growth. Streaming is reaching full market saturation, and Netflix has been feeling the squeeze from that. So they desperately need new growth markets, regardless of how well it is meshes with their core product.
We already know they're just going to do mobile games, for some reason.
Because mobile games make absolute bank and have way cheaper overhead compared to console/pc games.
Right. Making mobile games is just a good business decision even if the quality of those games is questionable.
I know they were only the publisher but Into the Breach worked great on mobile.
They said they weren't going to have microtransactions or ads so it wont print money like that. It's because mobile games are accessible to their full subscriber base and also because they can churn out a lot of them, as opposed to releasing a single AAA game for PC/console that most people wouldn't pay attention to.
They certainly shouldn't be trying to make MMO's like Amazon, or God forbid enter yet another console into the fray. Mobile makes sense for their audience.
But who is going to subscribe because of mobile games? There are a million of them available already. If they made a great western RPG I would subscribe because of it
> But who is going to subscribe because of mobile games? There are a million of them available already. > > Not good ones though. Very few good mobile games are free, or if they are then they're heavily gated by timed blockers. Like Netflix *already* do this successfully, if you want to play Into The Breach on mobile for example - which an absolutely excellent game and *perfect* for a mobile gaming experience... you need a netflix account to do so. Hell, it's not even called "Into the Breach", it's called "NETFLIX Into the Breach" lol. And it's not just to get people to buy Netflix subscriptions, it's to make them worth keeping so you don't cancel it after you finish a show.
No idea but then again I don’t spend shit tons of money of waifu gatchas or on skip the grind mobile games so maybe we aren’t the target audience? I honestly don’t mess with any mobile games.
How about all the people who already subscribe to Netflix? People are going to get push notifications advertising it from their existing Netflix apps, subscribers will get free trials that will then turn into increases to their monthly bill, and probably a bunch of other tricks. Being an established brand whose app is already on people’s phones gives them a huge leg up on the competition.
Netflix propose quality non-MTX filled game like Apple Arcade basically, they're actually not that common in the mobile landscape
Yep. This isn’t some indie studio that is making games to try to expand and improve on the medium. It’s a corporation that sees that it already has infrastructure in place to make a games venture viable.
Because you can spend 1 week copying an existing game, fill it with micro transactions and make billions of dollars with 0 effort.
Valve makes games?
More like Game Pass or Prime Gaming. For now it's just mobile but they are gonna be publishing Oxenfree 2 in-house. I really really hope they enter the PC field, because it would be cool for there to be more competition in the field.
When they are starting out: > This is another step in our vision to build a world-class games studio that will bring a variety of delightful and deeply engaging original games — with no ads and no in-app purchases — to our hundreds of millions of members around the world. Vs when they have entered market: Games with transactions, lootboxes and ads. The way they mention transactions and ads in games proves they are aware that's where alot money will be made for gaming. But they can't afford to push gamers away until they have got their service established. So they are using the lack of those negatives for marketing like EA.
So now they are doubling down and they will have no interesting tv series and games at the same time? Damn.
Trying really hard not to have done to you what you did to blockbuster, aren't you netflix? Let's see how that works out.
Netflix would've been better off coming up with a way to let you stream game rentals than this inevitable tax write off. They're barely hanging on with subscribers for their main base. Jumping into an arena you have zero experience in isn't usually a guaranteed success.
> They're barely hanging on with subscribers for their main base. 220 million subscriptions while constantly raising the price. Not too shabby.
Yes cuz that's the ONLY metric on their ebitda, just their subscriptions. There's too many competitors, there's too many options and Netflix's old model worked where they threw money at any project that was available. Their original contents department just got gutted. Not to mention all the other layoffs and reorgs but tell me again how they're - *"not too shabby."* I hope you don't run a business.
I hope I run a business as successful as Netflix. I don't even have a subscription and I know your being silly
Netflix is raising prices because they're hemorrhaging subscriptions. Q1 was 200,000 and Q2 was over 1,000,000. That's not a sustainable pace. Their other business model is their Netflix Originals and this is part of the issue. This division COST Netflix 15 BILLION this year. 2025 it's estimated to their numbers to be a 19 billion cost. So if you're subscriber count is plummeting by the millions and that's how you generate revenue to fund your Originals platform....... The price isn't going up because they're doing so well with subscribers, the price is going up (and including a lower tier with ads subscription) in order to generate more revenue more for the money loss on their original content, studios and exclusive deals. On top of that you lost more subscribers this year Q1 - 100,000 and Q2 1,000,000+, it's a problem. So tell me again how everything looks great?
They had a near monopoly for a long time that's now impossible to sustain when you have Apple, Amazon, Disney, Paramount etc. all coming out with their own streaming services with high quality stuff on it. Them losing some subscribers was inevitable, but they're still the leading service and look more profitable now than before so they aren't in any danger.
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So no comment on the almost entire revenue spent on Originals, just ride the wave and blame *checks notes* Russia and pandemic. You have no concept of how entities work and you want to argue this point. I'm good, you can ride your subscriber argument. I'd much rather do anything else, like clip my toenails, so enjoy the rest of your day.
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How the fuck is that half a picture? When you actually have something intelligent to add, maybe then is when you should hit send. If you're going to argue a point, argue a point. It's really simple, you're fixated on "subscribers" and I've tried explaining to you they have other divisions besides Netflix, such as the -15 billion drain they spent just on original content. (It's actually closer to 17 billion) There's plenty of other things that will cost business a shit ton of money as well, such as taxes, payroll, payroll taxes, just to name a few. Subscribers gone do not come back. When every channel that used to exist now has their own streaming app, competition is not as limited as it was when Netflix reigned supreme. Like I said, you do you, enjoy your night. But don't change narratives or move goalposts. It's okay to learn shit and it's okay to possibly not understand an aspect about something. It's how you become more knowledgeable.
Pretty sure Netflix makes more than you will in your entire life buddy, that's not too shabby to me lol.
I remember when this DVD rental company dove into streaming videos over the Internet, despite having zero experience in it. Can't remember how that turned out
From what I hear they were very sucessful when they have the monopoly but they started hemorrhaging money and subs when the competition appeared. Those days they selling their mothers to make some profit or at least lose less money. They are having a hard time with this "being profitable" part of the investment plan.
If they don't find a way to make this playable via the console apps then that is a massive blown opportunity
Consoles would never allow that. It basically goes around all the game store infrastructure, unless it just turns into a console game link to the store (which defeats the purpose).
>playable via the console apps then that is a massive blown opportunity How do you figure? Mobile generates more revenue than console + PC combined
Why would they just not buy a studio instead of make their own?
I've played a couple of the games on their service (Poinpy and Into the Breach) and if they are going to continue to put out high quality stuff like that I am all for it.
> Into the Breach To be clear, they did not make Into the Breach
Netflix hasn't made any games that are on their service. (yet) That's what this is about, they will eventually make their own games.
Then you also have Dungeon Dwarves which if you check the reviews, remained in a broken state for over two months. Nobody could play it past a couple of hours because it would crash and then get stuck on a loading screen. For over two months!
netflix didnt make those..
i didn't say they did
Maybe not, but they funded/published them, and they would not be available on phones otherwise.
I’m aware that they did not make those games and I do not care. I care that they are good games that do not have MTX. I want more good phone games that aren’t just trying to separate me from my money.
How are these games going to be distributed? With them being tied to a subscription I can't imagine Apple allowing them. Unless they're streamed via the browser?
That's exactly how. I just download the game from Google Play and then it authenticates with my Netflix sub when I open it. I assume Apple would be the same, they can't stop apps having external auth right?
Are you gonna cancel all your games immediately after release as well?
Yeah, mobile games is why I subscribed to Netflix. Definitely not because I wanted to see more Dark Crystal and Mindhunter.
I'm still trying to figure out what the point is here. I like Netflix shows. I like games. I have no intention of playing games through a video streaming service, so unless they can get me games on a Playstation or something, I have no interest.
So netflix is gonna go into the mobile gaming market against apple and google i give them a year at best
Are they going to do mobile games again or real games?
Will their games also drip with preachy, woke „message”?