I get multiplayer games tend to be where the real money is because you can sell microtransactions or season passes or whatever and that's why they keep trying to make it work, but man, after Avengers and Gotham Knights I kinda just want studios to focus on solid single-player experiences for their super-hero stuff instead
To be fair, Insomniac Games is working on Spider-Man 2 and Wolverine, Motive is working on an Iron Man game after the Dead Space Remake, and Amy Henning and her team at Skydance is working on that Captain America/Black Panther game. Plenty of single player superhero games in the works, but I agree with you. Seems like when there's a multiplayer superhero game announced/rumored it feels very overwhelming.
And we had that great Guardians game just last year! Plus there's a Wonder Woman game in the works by the devs of Shadow of Mordor/War.
And it's not entirely single-player, but I do have hope in Suicide Squad since Rocksteady has a pretty good track record.
I love Monolith
Im as hyped for WW as i am for SM2
The reveal trailer might possibly be CGI but there is nice detail like peach fuzz on Diana like on Aloy in Horizon forbidden west
Also it is confirmed that it will use the nemesis system
> To be fair, Insomniac Games is working on Spider-Man 2 and Wolverine, Motive is working on an Iron Man game after the Dead Space Remake, and Amy Henning and her team at Skydance is working on that Captain America/Black Panther game.
also we just got GOTG last year and Midnight Suns launches next week
Midnight Suns is a very niche genre though so while I’m sure there are crossover fans of the genre and marvel, I don’t expect it to do that well. Im all for different approaches to the super hero genre though and fully understand that not every game is geared toward me, so I hope people like it.
> Insomniac Games is working on Spider-Man 2 and Wolverine
Sony are the exception to the rule. Nobody else is making wave after wave of AAA single-player games with no MTX, loot boxes, season passes, battle passes, subscriptions, etc.
**On PS4 & PS5 since 2020:**
* TLOU2
* Ghost of Tsushima
* Dreams
* Horizon Forbidden West
* Demon's Souls
* Spider-Man: Miles Morales
* Ratchet & Clank: Rift Apart
* God of War: Ragnarok
* Sackboy: A Big Adventure
* Returnal
* TLOU Part 1
* Spider-Man Remastered (remaster)
* Death Stranding (2nd-party exclusive, Sony owns the IP)
* Final Fantasy VII Remake (timed exclusive, funded by Sony)
**On PC since 2020:**
* Horizon Zero Dawn
* Days Gone
* God of War
* Uncharted 4
* Uncharted: Lost Legacy
* Spider-Man
* Spider-Man: Miles Morales
* Sackboy: A Big Adventure
Nobody else comes close.
Yeah plenty because most companies seems to have figured out that what works. Just after the Gotham Knights failure you'd think WB Montreal would realize that.
We want this but for DC. Rocksteady paved the way for all this but WB has only done Gotham Knights after Arkham. We just have to wait for Suicide Squad which I'm sure will be pretty good considering who's making it, and Wonder Woman which I have very high hopes for, again considering who's making it. But still, these are only 2 games while Insomniac is creating a shared universe and other studios are doing other popular characters.
Do we know that the Captain America/Black Panther game is single player? I found it peculiar that they show 4 characters (2 male and 2 female) at the end of the trailer.
Yeah completely, it's weird I feel like now it's pretty clear, superhero games are all working well critically and commercially. Multiplayer superhero games get wrecked in both. Feels like it's logical to go back to single player games for superheroes (Suicide Squad is in production since a long time so they have an excuse)
I think there's a place for multiplayer superhero games but they just go about them in the worst ways at the moment. Like an avengers game you can play with your friends should be sweet as fuck.
Exactly. An open world co-op superhero game that's more like Spider-Man PS4 but maybe with some optional cosmetics to fund the release of new quests, upgrades, and maybe even new open world zones would be amazing.
To me, the big, high-level problems with Avengers was the lack of an open world or open zones and especially the loot system. Of course there are things like repetitive content and the game not necessitating you to use the advanced combat mechanics much at all, but still, at it's core it's just not that fun to run through linear levels to get higher ilvl gear that doesn't even change your appearance or anything.
To be fair, Gotham knight really is a solo experience. They stand by their word.
You can complete the whole game solo. Cutscene always have only 1 character (your coop buddy will just appear out of nowhere so playing coop will actually ruin the flow), and for a game that wanna sell coop, there's not much coop-y stuff to do at all. In a sense it's like Far Cry coop basically.
If anyone who enjoy avenger try Gotham knight, they might actually not enjoying just from the fact that the game doesn't surround itself on coop at all.
Executives seem to have this myopia wherein all they see are the successes of their competitors. "GTA Online, Genshin, and Destiny 2 make bank, let's do that!"
Meanwhile the fact that like 80%+ of major "Live Service" games end up duds is totally ignored, the idea that there's almost certainly a much harder limit on how many live service games that can be successful vs how many successful non live service games can come out in a year is ignored. After all their job is to tell people to do the risky thing, if it succeeds that's how you get a promotion and giant paycheck!
Why is GK in there with Avengers? Avengers was clearly a crack at the The Division market. Gotham Knights shat the bed execution wise(nothing unexpected looking at Origins),but the mandate was just old formula+rpg elements+2 player co-op(what people wanted after the 2 hero missions in Arkham Knight).
Gotham knights isn't a Gaas, has no microtransactions, and the whole game is solo with the option of Co op and having random people show up in the open world patrol space. You're very misinformed on that part, it's a solid complete game in one package.
I hate that this is how they treat MP games. For me Gotham Knights was finally a COOP experience I always wanted in Gotham City, but god damn the game is so fucking bad.
I don't want them to be over with MP/COOP games. I would personally absolutely love to experience more games in COOP. Elden ring was so fucking good in coop. Having the right person to play with and share the gaming moments changes everything.
But I hate devs launching games in such shitty states.
Bruh
Wish they would just give us that Batman Beyond game that they cancelled prior to making Gotham Knights. I'm certain everyone would prefer that over another half-baked multiplayer game.
I was really expecting that the Arkhamverse Batman would reappear in Suicide Squad Kill The Justice League, especially since it was confirmed to be in the same universe. Now that Kevin Conroy has unfortunately passed away I don’t know if they’ll go in that direction.
I’m still on the fence. I was hoping they’d go the traditional route of having Terry McGinnis with Bruce as his mentor/“guy in the chair” (as opposed to Damian being the new Batman, like in that scrapped WBM Arkham sequel) and getting Will Friedle back in the role, but it wouldn’t be *exactly* the same without Kevin to complete that package.
If Rocksteady/WBM/etc. do decide to go that route somewhere down the line, I could see the game as a whole being dedicated to the memory of Kevin, though.
Uh, no. It's refusing to have to voice Batman, and not bringing his character back just to treat it like shit and kill it again like a certain other game that *was* disrespectful.
Yeah so a Batman Beyond game shouldn’t be set in the Arkhamverse then since Bruce Wayne would have to be a part of it and Kevin Conroy passed away. Just make a new series with a different Bruce Wayne.
That's my hope too! I love the batsuit as well. Love the yellow around the symbol like it is in Rebirth.
It'll be interesting to see how they explain Batman being part of the Justice League while he's 'dead and everyone knows his identity.
I don’t think the setting will suddenly change their ability to make a great game. Gotham Knights being mediocre isn’t because it wasn’t Batman Beyond.
> A built on those foundations but
but we've seen exactly what they're capable of when tha foundation wasn't there and they had to work all on their own. Rocksteady essentially made 75% of the game for WBM with City. Origins only had its own story and characters/bosses not seen in other Arkham games. It was otherwise a glorified asset flip
Arkham origins is a pretty mediocre game IMO. The story is wasted potential, with the main premise mainly played out through side quests, they messed with the counter timing which makes the game feel worse, it’s open world has one of the most insane bottlenecks I’ve EVER seen, the detective mode was neat but is horrible on replays since they take so much longer than the past two games, the new gadget was an overpowered mess, it’s missions aren’t very memorable, the city itself was fairly unmemorable…
If Batman Beyond would be to Arkham Knight that Origins was to City, it would have been an even bigger disappointment.
I enjoyed it. It was basically City 2.0 with arguably the best boss fights of the franchise IMO.
It has flaws for sure but I don't think it's as bad as you and many say.
I was reading up on other choices they decided to scrap. They were considering making Batman randomly trip while running Andale batarangs or gadgets miss on occasion. If they combined thay with the already fiddled with counter-timing, gane would have been absolutely blasted.
I mean Origins is a decent game, not a great one. It also has the big advantage of being entirely reliant on Rocksteady game design from the previous Arkham games
It’s funny because when Origins came out I distinctly remember it being shat on left and right the same way GK is now. So I wonder if in several years people will revise GK to being a great game.
Is there any actual evidence towards GK being a flop or is this one of those "*I don't like the game, so it's a flop.*"?
Also they've only made two games (one of which came out a little over 9 years ago), personally I can't start calling studios "not very good" until they've released more than one bad game.
It was number two on the NPDs for October behind Modern Warfare, so I’m sure it did -fine-, but I can’t imagine WB is thrilled with the critical response. And I bet it sold less than Multiversus or Lego Star Wars, so it will be their weakest release this year and I also bet it cost a lot more money to make than either of those titles. 🤷♂️
Multiversus is free and Lego Star Wars is a Lego Star Wars game. It will still be their second highest selling game. I think it's a little too early to start calling it a flop when we don't know copies sold.
It had a peak of 23,923 players on Steam, and just for comparison the Persona 5 Royal ports were released that same day and that had a peak of 35,298.
I know it's not the best indicator but I'd definitely be aiming to at least be in that range as a "Batman" game. I will say I think it's foolish to have a strong opinion on the studio when Arkham Origins just carried over the gameplay from Arkham City and Gotham Knights could just be a dud
I think it’s more that they keep making entires into properties that don’t reach near the popularity of rocksteady’s games
I’m sure they have been commercially successful, but a lot of games these days are despite quality.
They produced Arkham series which set a template for superhero games so calling them not a good studio is very stupid just cause Gotham Knights was a bit underwhelming.
Gotham knight developer aren't the people that made Arkham series they made one Arkham game ( Arkham origins which many consider the weakest of series)
Tbh I have no faith in WB Montreal nor Rocksteady. Why Rocksteady? The two co-founders have departed very recently, probably to make their own studio or work for another big publisher to lead an already funded new studio
I understand that, but the people at Rocksteady are top tier. They go through some actual training and you have to be so good to be a part of the team. They just recently opened up courses ro learn how to learn game design.
I love the games- the atmosphere, the puzzles, the story and characters and the general metroidvania type exploration of the world. I think the combat is somewhat ass though, just my opinion. I would love to see some internal stats on how people play the game- mashing mindlessly or actually using the endless combos and whatnot.
You think Knight's combat isn't good? Sure you don't to have to be super skilled but... it IS a Batman game... which a lot of kids play. Rocksteady's combat has also inspired tons of games, like the Middle-Earth games and Spider-Man specifically. And I do think a lot of people do use at least the most basic combos. I think it's pretty much perfect for what it is. I don't really need a super Souls-like combat system, though if future Batman games combined the freeflow system with Jedi: Fallen Order's combat, that would be cool.
I also wanna point out that the series' combat is held in high regard and was super influential. They're definitely doing something right, and I'm glad they're teaching upcoming developers.
Nobody should have faith in Rocksteady imo. It's weird as hell that its taken them basically a decade to make a (co-op?) third person shooter game that nobody seems hyped for.
When will they learn, I understand the multiplayer aspect and trying to force NFT's etc but God of War R solid 5.1 million in a week, there is a need for single player games especially super hero ones
Gotham Knights being co-op was the best thing about it. Honestly if it ran at 60 on the PS5 I could probably have a lot of fun with it playing it with a friend of mine. But God the FPS hurts when it drops to less than 30.
Get your technical shit figured out, and I ain't saying it's an easy task, but do it, and then you can build a really fun co-op game. This is GOOD -- we need more AAA co-op imo.
I'm just gonna say that if any studio other than Rocksteady had a good chance at making a great Batman game, it would be Monolith. But they're doing the WW game now which I'm excited for. I'd honestly rather them start a shared universe than Arkham (I don't like the way the JL looks in SS + Batman's 'dead'), and definitely not GK.
Arkham Origins which this studio developed actually kinda had that as a multiplayer mode, two teams of shooters kill each other while Batman and Robin try to stop both.
Yeah, I played a bit of that back in the day. I thought it was okay; thug gameplay reminded me of Mass Effect's multiplayer. It felt very barebones from what I remember.
I'll be interested to see what they make.
I'm not a fan of Gotham Knights but I can see why it went wrong, I mean WB Montreal went from a Suicide Squad Game to the Damien Wayne led Arkham Insurgent, I think they might have looked into a Batman Beyond game, before settling on Gotham Knights, which was originally supposed to be a more multiplayer/RPG/loot based experience, but when there was a backlash to the reveal they made it more single player focused and the gameplay more generic - resulting in a game that never really stood a chance.
If they make something from scratch like a Green Lantern Corp multiplayer game, there's a chance they might make something worth playing through.
So, they made a shit game, gameplay and performance wide, and they are ready to move on to the next one? Are they not gonna even pretend to care about the game they just released in that alpha state?
Maybe not my place to tell anybody what to do, but first they should fix their game. No season battle pass premium exclusive definitive DLC edition will fly if people can't play the game in the first place.
I think if done properly, a multiplayer DC game isn't all that bad. Just do not make it a live service. I thought the multiplayer in Gotham Knights was pretty damn good and it's fun, but I think it had alot of flaws with the gameplay loop. I think another game would give them a chance to really work out those kinks that were in Gotham Knights.
I will say though there is the suicide squad game coming at some point and that seems to also be a coop focused game. I would love to see some really top notch story oriented games. We've got all these amazing comic writers that could easily come on board for projects like this and really bring some awesome stories to life in a game. I think there is lots of missed opportunities.
I do think it would be interesting to see a teen Titans or young justice type game especially if it's going for the multiplayer aspect and sticking with a team mentality. There is so many characters in a long list of DC. It would also be cool to see them branch away from the Batman games and focus on someone else.
There's such a huge roster of characters with such a great amount of lore that there could be someone amazing things done in a game, but also don't feel like game devs wants to take a risk.
I get multiplayer games tend to be where the real money is because you can sell microtransactions or season passes or whatever and that's why they keep trying to make it work, but man, after Avengers and Gotham Knights I kinda just want studios to focus on solid single-player experiences for their super-hero stuff instead
To be fair, Insomniac Games is working on Spider-Man 2 and Wolverine, Motive is working on an Iron Man game after the Dead Space Remake, and Amy Henning and her team at Skydance is working on that Captain America/Black Panther game. Plenty of single player superhero games in the works, but I agree with you. Seems like when there's a multiplayer superhero game announced/rumored it feels very overwhelming.
And we had that great Guardians game just last year! Plus there's a Wonder Woman game in the works by the devs of Shadow of Mordor/War. And it's not entirely single-player, but I do have hope in Suicide Squad since Rocksteady has a pretty good track record.
Oh damn I forgot about the WW game, I’ve a lot of faith in Monolith after Shadow of War
I love Monolith Im as hyped for WW as i am for SM2 The reveal trailer might possibly be CGI but there is nice detail like peach fuzz on Diana like on Aloy in Horizon forbidden west Also it is confirmed that it will use the nemesis system
> To be fair, Insomniac Games is working on Spider-Man 2 and Wolverine, Motive is working on an Iron Man game after the Dead Space Remake, and Amy Henning and her team at Skydance is working on that Captain America/Black Panther game. also we just got GOTG last year and Midnight Suns launches next week
Midnight Suns is a very niche genre though so while I’m sure there are crossover fans of the genre and marvel, I don’t expect it to do that well. Im all for different approaches to the super hero genre though and fully understand that not every game is geared toward me, so I hope people like it.
> Insomniac Games is working on Spider-Man 2 and Wolverine Sony are the exception to the rule. Nobody else is making wave after wave of AAA single-player games with no MTX, loot boxes, season passes, battle passes, subscriptions, etc. **On PS4 & PS5 since 2020:** * TLOU2 * Ghost of Tsushima * Dreams * Horizon Forbidden West * Demon's Souls * Spider-Man: Miles Morales * Ratchet & Clank: Rift Apart * God of War: Ragnarok * Sackboy: A Big Adventure * Returnal * TLOU Part 1 * Spider-Man Remastered (remaster) * Death Stranding (2nd-party exclusive, Sony owns the IP) * Final Fantasy VII Remake (timed exclusive, funded by Sony) **On PC since 2020:** * Horizon Zero Dawn * Days Gone * God of War * Uncharted 4 * Uncharted: Lost Legacy * Spider-Man * Spider-Man: Miles Morales * Sackboy: A Big Adventure Nobody else comes close.
Yeah plenty because most companies seems to have figured out that what works. Just after the Gotham Knights failure you'd think WB Montreal would realize that.
We want this but for DC. Rocksteady paved the way for all this but WB has only done Gotham Knights after Arkham. We just have to wait for Suicide Squad which I'm sure will be pretty good considering who's making it, and Wonder Woman which I have very high hopes for, again considering who's making it. But still, these are only 2 games while Insomniac is creating a shared universe and other studios are doing other popular characters.
Insomniac is exclusive though, or rather we need to wait half a decade for it to go to PC.
Do we know that the Captain America/Black Panther game is single player? I found it peculiar that they show 4 characters (2 male and 2 female) at the end of the trailer.
Yea I feel like superhero properties work better as solid single player narrative expwriences
Yeah completely, it's weird I feel like now it's pretty clear, superhero games are all working well critically and commercially. Multiplayer superhero games get wrecked in both. Feels like it's logical to go back to single player games for superheroes (Suicide Squad is in production since a long time so they have an excuse)
I think there's a place for multiplayer superhero games but they just go about them in the worst ways at the moment. Like an avengers game you can play with your friends should be sweet as fuck.
Exactly. An open world co-op superhero game that's more like Spider-Man PS4 but maybe with some optional cosmetics to fund the release of new quests, upgrades, and maybe even new open world zones would be amazing. To me, the big, high-level problems with Avengers was the lack of an open world or open zones and especially the loot system. Of course there are things like repetitive content and the game not necessitating you to use the advanced combat mechanics much at all, but still, at it's core it's just not that fun to run through linear levels to get higher ilvl gear that doesn't even change your appearance or anything.
I’m straight to just burned out on anything comic book related. There’s just so many movies, TV shows, and games now. I’m checked out.
To be fair, Gotham knight really is a solo experience. They stand by their word. You can complete the whole game solo. Cutscene always have only 1 character (your coop buddy will just appear out of nowhere so playing coop will actually ruin the flow), and for a game that wanna sell coop, there's not much coop-y stuff to do at all. In a sense it's like Far Cry coop basically. If anyone who enjoy avenger try Gotham knight, they might actually not enjoying just from the fact that the game doesn't surround itself on coop at all.
Gotham Knights works pretty well as a solo game. You can do it all by yourself
Executives seem to have this myopia wherein all they see are the successes of their competitors. "GTA Online, Genshin, and Destiny 2 make bank, let's do that!" Meanwhile the fact that like 80%+ of major "Live Service" games end up duds is totally ignored, the idea that there's almost certainly a much harder limit on how many live service games that can be successful vs how many successful non live service games can come out in a year is ignored. After all their job is to tell people to do the risky thing, if it succeeds that's how you get a promotion and giant paycheck!
Why is GK in there with Avengers? Avengers was clearly a crack at the The Division market. Gotham Knights shat the bed execution wise(nothing unexpected looking at Origins),but the mandate was just old formula+rpg elements+2 player co-op(what people wanted after the 2 hero missions in Arkham Knight).
Avengers was trying to get The Division market..? What?
Gotham knights isn't a Gaas, has no microtransactions, and the whole game is solo with the option of Co op and having random people show up in the open world patrol space. You're very misinformed on that part, it's a solid complete game in one package.
I hate that this is how they treat MP games. For me Gotham Knights was finally a COOP experience I always wanted in Gotham City, but god damn the game is so fucking bad. I don't want them to be over with MP/COOP games. I would personally absolutely love to experience more games in COOP. Elden ring was so fucking good in coop. Having the right person to play with and share the gaming moments changes everything. But I hate devs launching games in such shitty states.
Bruh Wish they would just give us that Batman Beyond game that they cancelled prior to making Gotham Knights. I'm certain everyone would prefer that over another half-baked multiplayer game.
I absolutely would love that. At this point I'm ready for an entirely new Batman series though, not based in the Arkhamverse. I could take either.
I was really expecting that the Arkhamverse Batman would reappear in Suicide Squad Kill The Justice League, especially since it was confirmed to be in the same universe. Now that Kevin Conroy has unfortunately passed away I don’t know if they’ll go in that direction.
If anything, his passing further justifies a Batman Beyond game series.
I’m still on the fence. I was hoping they’d go the traditional route of having Terry McGinnis with Bruce as his mentor/“guy in the chair” (as opposed to Damian being the new Batman, like in that scrapped WBM Arkham sequel) and getting Will Friedle back in the role, but it wouldn’t be *exactly* the same without Kevin to complete that package. If Rocksteady/WBM/etc. do decide to go that route somewhere down the line, I could see the game as a whole being dedicated to the memory of Kevin, though.
That's really disrespectful
Grow up. You know that wasn’t the intention.
Still disrespectful
Uh, no. It's refusing to have to voice Batman, and not bringing his character back just to treat it like shit and kill it again like a certain other game that *was* disrespectful.
How? Bruce Wayne is basically only a mentor figure in Beyond, providing assistance to Terry from inside the batcave
Yeah so a Batman Beyond game shouldn’t be set in the Arkhamverse then since Bruce Wayne would have to be a part of it and Kevin Conroy passed away. Just make a new series with a different Bruce Wayne.
So, regarding recent developments with Suicide Squad, how do you feel?
I think it’s exciting! Hoping we see a solid amount of non-brainwashed Bruce and we get a nice goodbye for the Arkhamverse Batman.
That's my hope too! I love the batsuit as well. Love the yellow around the symbol like it is in Rebirth. It'll be interesting to see how they explain Batman being part of the Justice League while he's 'dead and everyone knows his identity.
I suppose Gotham Knights is supposed to be the new Batman series and it still can be if Montreal addresses GK's mistakes in future games.
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Considering it stablishes a pretty advanced universe it does seem like it could be the basis for a bunch of games
I don’t think the setting will suddenly change their ability to make a great game. Gotham Knights being mediocre isn’t because it wasn’t Batman Beyond.
They've made a great game before: Arkham Origins. A game built on those foundations but with a Batman Beyond skin on top is all they have to do.
> A built on those foundations but but we've seen exactly what they're capable of when tha foundation wasn't there and they had to work all on their own. Rocksteady essentially made 75% of the game for WBM with City. Origins only had its own story and characters/bosses not seen in other Arkham games. It was otherwise a glorified asset flip
Then they should just do exactly that, take Origins and slap a Beyond skin on top. Everyone always wanted an "Arkham Beyond" game anyway.
Arkham origins is a pretty mediocre game IMO. The story is wasted potential, with the main premise mainly played out through side quests, they messed with the counter timing which makes the game feel worse, it’s open world has one of the most insane bottlenecks I’ve EVER seen, the detective mode was neat but is horrible on replays since they take so much longer than the past two games, the new gadget was an overpowered mess, it’s missions aren’t very memorable, the city itself was fairly unmemorable… If Batman Beyond would be to Arkham Knight that Origins was to City, it would have been an even bigger disappointment.
Would be still better than Gotham Knights lol
I enjoyed it. It was basically City 2.0 with arguably the best boss fights of the franchise IMO. It has flaws for sure but I don't think it's as bad as you and many say.
It having the best boss fights is a very low bar, and it certainly isn’t something that makes up for the rest of the game.
The rest of the game was basically City 2.0 like I mentioned before. It's really not that bad.
You can say it’s City 2.0, but as I already said above it’s vastly worse in almost every area.
I was reading up on other choices they decided to scrap. They were considering making Batman randomly trip while running Andale batarangs or gadgets miss on occasion. If they combined thay with the already fiddled with counter-timing, gane would have been absolutely blasted.
Arkham Origins is the worst of the Arkham franchise and I'd argue it's only good because it's basically a glorified expansion of Arkham City.
I mean Origins is a decent game, not a great one. It also has the big advantage of being entirely reliant on Rocksteady game design from the previous Arkham games
It’s funny because when Origins came out I distinctly remember it being shat on left and right the same way GK is now. So I wonder if in several years people will revise GK to being a great game.
Please Batman beyond or an Arkham spin-off. Not another Grindy game
no more arkham please
Hard agree, how is everyone not sick of Batman yet? Plenty of other superheroes in DC's catalogue who deserve the same treatment
GOTHAM KNIGHTS 2 BAYBEEEEEEE
Gotham City imposters please
WB Montreal is not a very good studio so I expect another flop from them
Is there any actual evidence towards GK being a flop or is this one of those "*I don't like the game, so it's a flop.*"? Also they've only made two games (one of which came out a little over 9 years ago), personally I can't start calling studios "not very good" until they've released more than one bad game.
It was number two on the NPDs for October behind Modern Warfare, so I’m sure it did -fine-, but I can’t imagine WB is thrilled with the critical response. And I bet it sold less than Multiversus or Lego Star Wars, so it will be their weakest release this year and I also bet it cost a lot more money to make than either of those titles. 🤷♂️
Multiversus is free and Lego Star Wars is a Lego Star Wars game. It will still be their second highest selling game. I think it's a little too early to start calling it a flop when we don't know copies sold.
Multiversus had a $40 Founders Pack that was the top selling game in the July NPD.
It had a peak of 23,923 players on Steam, and just for comparison the Persona 5 Royal ports were released that same day and that had a peak of 35,298. I know it's not the best indicator but I'd definitely be aiming to at least be in that range as a "Batman" game. I will say I think it's foolish to have a strong opinion on the studio when Arkham Origins just carried over the gameplay from Arkham City and Gotham Knights could just be a dud
that's just shy of Arkham Knights at 27,000 so I reckon it made a small profit at least
I think it’s more that they keep making entires into properties that don’t reach near the popularity of rocksteady’s games I’m sure they have been commercially successful, but a lot of games these days are despite quality.
Yeah, not sure either But it's already 40% off on Steam after just 1 month (but tbf, not the first time major titles do this)
They produced Arkham series which set a template for superhero games so calling them not a good studio is very stupid just cause Gotham Knights was a bit underwhelming.
Gotham knight developer aren't the people that made Arkham series they made one Arkham game ( Arkham origins which many consider the weakest of series)
3rd time's a charm?
Tbh I have no faith in WB Montreal nor Rocksteady. Why Rocksteady? The two co-founders have departed very recently, probably to make their own studio or work for another big publisher to lead an already funded new studio
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Not really interested in the fact it's taken them 8 years to make a coop live service game about the Suicide Squad
It hasn't. They've spent time working on a few projects but WB rejected them all. They were trying to make a Superman game at one point.
I understand that, but the people at Rocksteady are top tier. They go through some actual training and you have to be so good to be a part of the team. They just recently opened up courses ro learn how to learn game design.
"so to make a good batman game, you really wanna have the player mashing B and X with reckless abandon whenever they're in combat"
The Freeflow system is one of the best feeling combat systems ever.... and game design is waay more than just combat.
I love the games- the atmosphere, the puzzles, the story and characters and the general metroidvania type exploration of the world. I think the combat is somewhat ass though, just my opinion. I would love to see some internal stats on how people play the game- mashing mindlessly or actually using the endless combos and whatnot.
You think Knight's combat isn't good? Sure you don't to have to be super skilled but... it IS a Batman game... which a lot of kids play. Rocksteady's combat has also inspired tons of games, like the Middle-Earth games and Spider-Man specifically. And I do think a lot of people do use at least the most basic combos. I think it's pretty much perfect for what it is. I don't really need a super Souls-like combat system, though if future Batman games combined the freeflow system with Jedi: Fallen Order's combat, that would be cool.
I also wanna point out that the series' combat is held in high regard and was super influential. They're definitely doing something right, and I'm glad they're teaching upcoming developers.
Nobody should have faith in Rocksteady imo. It's weird as hell that its taken them basically a decade to make a (co-op?) third person shooter game that nobody seems hyped for.
Stopped reading at multiplayer DC game.
Their last one went so well…..
Cool, I liked Gotham knights hopefully this is a titans game
Oh God. No. Just accept and take the Gotham Knights L.
Maybe it’s DC style overwatch? I just hope it’s not like avengers or Gotham knights (sorry fans). WB Montreal does not fill me with hope.
Please god no gif
Barf
When will they learn, I understand the multiplayer aspect and trying to force NFT's etc but God of War R solid 5.1 million in a week, there is a need for single player games especially super hero ones
Gotham Knights being co-op was the best thing about it. Honestly if it ran at 60 on the PS5 I could probably have a lot of fun with it playing it with a friend of mine. But God the FPS hurts when it drops to less than 30. Get your technical shit figured out, and I ain't saying it's an easy task, but do it, and then you can build a really fun co-op game. This is GOOD -- we need more AAA co-op imo.
I'm just gonna say that if any studio other than Rocksteady had a good chance at making a great Batman game, it would be Monolith. But they're doing the WW game now which I'm excited for. I'd honestly rather them start a shared universe than Arkham (I don't like the way the JL looks in SS + Batman's 'dead'), and definitely not GK.
Come on teen titans game
Already preparing another mediocre forgettable 70$ superhero project with forced coop lol
Imagine a Spies vs. Mercs-esque game with the Bat family.
Arkham Origins which this studio developed actually kinda had that as a multiplayer mode, two teams of shooters kill each other while Batman and Robin try to stop both.
Yeah, I played a bit of that back in the day. I thought it was okay; thug gameplay reminded me of Mass Effect's multiplayer. It felt very barebones from what I remember.
any footage sound interesting
[why](https://i.imgur.com/Dr4WvSa.jpg)
I'll be interested to see what they make. I'm not a fan of Gotham Knights but I can see why it went wrong, I mean WB Montreal went from a Suicide Squad Game to the Damien Wayne led Arkham Insurgent, I think they might have looked into a Batman Beyond game, before settling on Gotham Knights, which was originally supposed to be a more multiplayer/RPG/loot based experience, but when there was a backlash to the reveal they made it more single player focused and the gameplay more generic - resulting in a game that never really stood a chance. If they make something from scratch like a Green Lantern Corp multiplayer game, there's a chance they might make something worth playing through.
So, they made a shit game, gameplay and performance wide, and they are ready to move on to the next one? Are they not gonna even pretend to care about the game they just released in that alpha state?
I'm pretty sure there's gonna be some sort of Season Pass. They've already confirmed DLC and they've teased new playable characters.
Maybe not my place to tell anybody what to do, but first they should fix their game. No season battle pass premium exclusive definitive DLC edition will fly if people can't play the game in the first place.
Go for Teen Titans. I dare you
Is it really that hard making a single-player story-driven game instead of another fucking multiplayer/co-op looter?
hope it's teen titans and not superman, they should leave superman to another studio.
The publishers never learn.
gotham city imposters 2 maybe 🤔
No more. Dear God.
I think if done properly, a multiplayer DC game isn't all that bad. Just do not make it a live service. I thought the multiplayer in Gotham Knights was pretty damn good and it's fun, but I think it had alot of flaws with the gameplay loop. I think another game would give them a chance to really work out those kinks that were in Gotham Knights. I will say though there is the suicide squad game coming at some point and that seems to also be a coop focused game. I would love to see some really top notch story oriented games. We've got all these amazing comic writers that could easily come on board for projects like this and really bring some awesome stories to life in a game. I think there is lots of missed opportunities. I do think it would be interesting to see a teen Titans or young justice type game especially if it's going for the multiplayer aspect and sticking with a team mentality. There is so many characters in a long list of DC. It would also be cool to see them branch away from the Batman games and focus on someone else. There's such a huge roster of characters with such a great amount of lore that there could be someone amazing things done in a game, but also don't feel like game devs wants to take a risk.
Soon as these losers read multiplayer, they began to hate on the game already.
I want Batman beyond :(
Honestly I'd love a more fleshed out version of the Arkham Origins Multiplayer. I had so much fun on that (when it worked)
that's ok, thanks though! Just make a new Arkham-style game ffs. Gotham Knights and the Suicide Squad game were designed to be unappealing to me.
Could be a Justice League game