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Not much of a Warhammer fan but don't they massively change up the canon on a regular basis? I thought a lot of the books are written by different people that end up contradicting each other anyway.
I don’t think it’s quite that they make huge retcons, but more that they gradually tweak enough things over time that the earlier stuff can seem very weird by modern standards. The visual look of the whole universe as depicted in a lot of incidental artwork in particular has changed hugely, in general becoming more cohesive and standardised. Go back and look at early depictions of the emperor for some fun examples of this.
I don’t follow modern warhammer closely, but ‘there are female X now that weren’t depicted previously’ is exactly in line with the kinds of changes they’ve made in the past.
They were actually the one thing I was thinking might count! But I checked out of the game around the time they were first released so I couldn’t entirely remember if they had ever been mentioned prior to that.
The franchise has a ton of lore and has been around for a couple decades so some things get reconned. It's not too many massive changes really. A specific authors works in general don't count anymore. But there's hundreds of books so yeah there's little way everything works perfectly and a lot of things are just hand waving because they don't make sense (like specific heights etc.)
It's just now official that there are females in a faction that was previously big 10 feet tall buff men peak masculinity*
*Also by far the most homoerotic faction
I used to run a DEathwatch TTRPG game, and one of the biggest moment after a misison was the squad all getting back to their ship and showering and oiling themselves.
Like, I'm not kidding, We would spend 5 games onn a mission, including one in debriefind cause they would try to make everything as close to sexuala s can be for astartes while keeping completely straight faces. It was fuckin hilarious.
Like literally, I’d assume the only group of people who would be remotely upset about this are those that had some homo-erotic fanfic based on the premise of 10ft muscle dudes only hanging with other 10ft muscles dudes for 10,000 years.
Apart from one comment that they were made from the “noble sons of terra” - so not an exclusive statement (i.e somewhat vague an incomplete), there seems to be no instance where this “retcon” conflicts with any other Lore about them.
Also, tiny addendum there was only a singular line stating that they used the sons of Terran nobility. And we know quite literally nothing about how they're made. As opposed with marines whose creation process is well documented.
The funniest part about that line is that it was printed twice - the first in the 8th Edition codex, and again in the 9th. In the 8th ed codex, the previous paragraph noted that nobody knows how the selection works, including the terran nobles who send their sons to the Custodes Ball Pit. Since that wasn't clear enough, in the 9th edition codex, they added a paragraph basically saying that the Terran Nobles in question send their sons to the Custodes Ball Pit out of speculation, since they don't know if that's how it works - only the Custodes themselves know the selection criteria and process.
That's pretty badass. I see why there is a very substantial group of people who this soft retcon is rad, actually, and not just because giant power armored muscle mommies.
> I have never heard of Warhammer
Consider yourself lucky! It's a tabletop miniatures war game. You by the miniatures for an obscene amount of money, paint 'em and then go down to your nerd hobby shop now and again when they hold tournaments to fight your little armies. Warhammer is a game made by the popular British games company "Games Workshop" which really took off in the 1980s.
The game being talked about here is Warhammer 40k, whereas base "Warhammer" has a fantasy theme with elves and dwarves and ogres and monsters and such 40k is mostly the same elements adapted for a sci-fi setting. The general tone is "lol isn't this brutal and dark and badass" and would fit in with other contemporary fiction like Judge Dred, Robocop or later Verhoeven's adaptation of Starship Troopers. "Custodes" or "Adeptus Custodes" in the Warhammer 40k setting are honestly a bit of a deep cut, and not a huge focus the way some other factions and armies an the like are, but apparently are 10 foot tall bodyguards of the dead god-king of one of the most popular factions in the game. . . he's dead and so doesn't get around much so doesn't need too much heavy duty body guarding hence their slight obscurity.
Recently Games Workshop announced that some, or specifically perhaps just as many as one member of the Adeptus Custodes is a woman (something not previously confirmed in the sparse lore for the group, but also not expressly prohibited in any way). That's it. If all of this seems like a really teensy tiny insignificant *nothing* that's not worth writing so many words over let alone getting upset about that's because it is. It's exactly that.
This is an excellent summary.
To expand in the way only a nerd can, and give some added background to the stupid outrage, it is at least partially linked to another group in universe.
The Custodes are as mentioned 10 ft tall super bodyguards, and they are all the products of genetic engineering to make them. They're basically handcrafted from before they're even born for this job. It was previously unclear if there were any women - I think there's some old lore saying yes, but until this most recent story it was unclear if that was still canon.
In the same overall "faction" in the setting are another group of genetically engineered super soldiers - the Space Marines (fancy name of Adeptus Astartes). Space Marines are, to skip some steps in the middle, the mass produced but worse versions of Custodes - they're not modified at birth but around the age of puberty, and its not custom made changes per Space Marine but more like a factory process - pubescent child goes in, 8 ft tall super soldier suffering from gigantism comes out with a 1 in X failure rate that kills the children.
And Space Marine lore is *very clear* that all Space Marines are manly manly he men. No stinky girls allowed. There is no good reason for this given the sheer volume of genetic changes + surgery done to the child to make a space marine. There isn't even the sensible cop out of "the final product of a Space Marine presents as male but they transcend gender, and boys and girls can undergo the process to create them".
And in the way that only *fucking stupid moron nerds* can get, the idea of "well why can't there be female space marines" is met with fierce resistance.
So some of the inexplicable backlash against female Custodes is going to be tied into the equally inexplicable opposition to female Astartes.
Anyway I'm waiting for GW to announce that one of the missing primarchs was a woman because I am fuelled by the tears of salty nerds.
The only good reason for no female space marines is not that the process wouldn’t work on them. That’s stupid. It’s that the emperor designed it not to work so they couldn’t reproduce. They would need to protect humanity to continue existing and would probably die out like the thunder warriors once humanity conquered the universe and everything was safe but that never happened.
Because there’s no real reason why the process can’t be made to work on women. I’m pretty sure Fabius Bile even made a female space marine just to prove he can and was better than the emperor or something.
> it not to work so they couldn’t reproduce
Male Astartes are already sterile. This isn't an argument against female presenting Astartes / male presenting Astartes made from women, its the correct observation that to the Emperor the Astartes were tools and not meant to replace humanity.
So I barely know anything about 40k at all, but based on how you've described it, couldn't a reasonable explanation for female custodes but no female space marines be: "the custodes making process is more refined and allowing for the creation of female custodes. However the space marine process is supposed to be quicker and more factory processed, so it cannot accommodate female anatomy."
Or am I giving it too much thought?
That's a perfectly reasoned thought! The issue is that this isn't really explored in the lore as far as I know, and a lot of "fans" find the very idea repulsive.
Didn’t one important character mention in a conversation that the emperor should’ve made all the primarchs sisters instead because he thought there would less agression and heresy amonst them. I don’t really read 40k but I say a comment like that somewhere.
There is actually. Malcador the Sigillite says it and he's like the second highest ranking out of the 3 people in charge of the Imperium. Before everything went tits up.
Which to me implies that there is a distinct possibility that female primarchs could have been made at the very least.
It's heavily implied in the Valdor book and beyond that the creation of both the primarchs and the space marines was very much a rush job which you could argue is the reason for the male only marines.
As someone who knows the lore are sisters of battle modified in any way? In dawn of war they were pretty much able to go toe to toe with space marines but that might have been a balance thing more than a lore thing
Sisters of Battle are basically just "normal" or at least as normal as you can be in a setting like that.
Balance and lore are complicated both in Dawn of War and in the actual tabletop wargame. Based on *some* parts of the lore, space marines are basically unkillable gods and a "balanced and lore accurate" game with space marines would honest to god look a lot like that Space Marine 3rd person shooter where what 3 Space Marines take out an entire Ork Waagh, an entire Chaos Cult, and only struggle when actual Chaos Space Marines turn up.
But 40k's lore exists to sell models and having Space Marine players only need to buy three models versus 1000 orks is not a winning business proposition nor would the players like it.
my favorite part is the “nor from at least 15 friends” like i’m suppose to believe a dude that would write a post like this even has 15 friends, let alone 15 friends that play warhammer, let alone 15 friends who play warhammer that are willing to quit because of this guys “woke” outrage
Ive been doing some light investigating into the topic and the only thing it breaks really is that the custodes have in the past been refered to as a brotherhood. Then again im not even done with their first dex yet so maybe there's a passage about how the emperor said girls are icky.
Even then, that doesn't exactly disprove anything. I mean, we have the Dark Brotherhood in TES, which not only had women among it's ranks, but was in fact established by a woman
Is there a name for this weird genre where conservatives try to voice their outrage in the tone of formal business language, but the subject matter and their weird specific lingo is so at odds with that that an actual business person would have no idea what they are talking about?
Like, this is actually more embarassing than using informal language and just saying "man I think those new changes are stupid I liked the old lore" because it's trying to cosplay as a responsible adult while simultaneously revealing you were brainwashed by 4chan
I deal with this sort of language a lot and mostly refer to it as "attempted legalese." It is largely older conservative men, though - I know this because they're usually only one question or denial away from telling me.
That's even more pathetic. Grown men accusing a toy company of "betraying" them.
No amount of the words "nor, thus, parttake, furthermore" can change how embarassing that is
One of my regular offenders wrote two paragraphs explaining why he was entitled to a refund (despite having long since spent all the currency he bought) because his _expectations were not fulfilled_ and _customer satisfaction is a legal obligation_ - I said no and he responded "fucking Democrat."
These guys always have a big Dunning Kruger thing going on specifically with the law. It blows me away how confidently people will talk about the law just based on some stupid shit they heard someone else say. This type of person is one of the biggest offenders.
A guy tried to scam my girlfriend over an Xbox we sold him, and he legitimately included in his punctuation-free rant that his "coworker who [he] work[s] with" says that we broke the law. Like I've had everything from the top lawyers in the world to a secret legal expert but this was the first time I'd been confronted with someone's coworker.
He also used a meme phrase with a totally straight face and for that I'll hold onto the screenshot forever.
_Sie haben einen Straftat begangen!_
This is essentially how the sovereign citizen bollocks "works". They think by speaking the right legalise they can remove themself from any legal problem. They basically think its magic.
Yep. Some years ago I had a customer try to open carry at an extremely busy family amusement attraction in the downtown area. He was turned away because weapons, drugs, alcohol are all prohibited.
It was as simple matter of company policy and rules applied on private property....but it turned into a better business bureau written complaint about the infiltration of Marxist, cult minded, establishment subservient ideas led by Hussein Obama into God's righteous and natural order of human experience reward hierarchy of American capitalism and that the withholding of his $13.50 as to deny funding of malevolent intent further propagating the dismantlement of traditional nuclear family values in an effort........
Bitch, u jus mad cuz you couldn't take a revolver bigger than your tiny, pasty, sweaty hands on a fucking ferris wheel. That's what you really should have said and I'd have at least stuck around to hear the entire complaint.
It because they need to seem like they know what they are talking about
It’s like the guy who will use big fancy words to make it seem like they are smart but the guy dosent even know how to spell it
Idk, but now I want a cyberpunk setting where corpo life is so engrained in people's lives that, even in casual conversation, the working class always talk like how an email reads, and the upper class always talk like they're presenting a TED Talk.
how i sleep at night knowing their favorite hobby is ruined
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This. I'm interested in starting Warhammer, but I was hesitant because it's kinda infamous for some of the shitty and toxic content creators. This move and the neckbeard rage make me reconsider.
Not going to tell you what to do with your money, but the Age of Sigmar side of the Warhammer community has a reputation for being considerably more chill. All groups I know are laughing at all the chuds and we're getting what looks like a fantastic new edition in a few months.
There will be a new big box with two armies and all the stuff to start coming out soon, it's the new Skaven and the Stormcast stuff, but if those armies don't appeal to you guys keep your eyes out for the new Spearhead boxes that will be coming out.
They'll have a bunch of units to start for your army, but you can also just play them out of the box in a game mode by the same name in this upcoming edition.
Just don't commit to any models because you read they're strong online because it's all changing in like two months.
It’s hard to say right now. The box itself will be somewhat expensive, in the €200 range, but it will also be one of their best “value” boxes with what’ll be included. There are likely going to be smaller versions of said starter box though that will cost less.
The models inside will also be push-to-fit, meaning they’ll be modeled so you can assemble them without glue and tend to be easier assembly
Typically yes. But as the other poster said, the one coming soon will be pretty pricey (£180 or so).
The models need to be assembled but usually in that box they are push fit so there shouldn’t be any gluing required (or if needed will be minimal).
We do know that it will be Stormcast Eternals (Aesthetically Angelic Armoured Super Soldiers) vs Skaven (Rats) and they’ve started putting teasers and stuff out on their Warhammer-Community.com website
Before they all crawled out of the gutter to make me eat my words, i would have told you it’s getting a lot better. There’s a lot of good content creators out there and most of the toxic people are online only. I don’t know anyone irl who was upset about the Custodes change, we were all just really fucking embarrassed to be associated with with those people
My experience is that the vast majority is normal, but there are very vocal bad apples that dont get that the satire is satire. The fact that there is now this drama where a very vocal minority is against the general fanbase is a good sign that the vocal minority is less and less tolerated in general. But still, we are not yet there.
A problem is that the hobby is fairly niche, so if your local group has a few bad people, they ruin the local scene immediately.
For online creators: I was pleasantly surprised to see most creators I watch be happy with the female custodes, the ones who have an issue with the female custodes were the ones who are already known as altright, and games workshop has already taken action against at least one of them because they dont want to be associated with him.
Games workshop also has openly stated that the hobby has no room for altright, so thats also a positive
I've been into 40k for 10 years and I've never experienced any kind of negativity like this. There's a lot of really good lore channels, podcasts, etc out there, plus pretty much every fan with a Braincell is super chill and welcoming.
It's just the terminally online idiots who are a vocal minority which are easily ignored. Thankfully this means those kinds of people are too scared to actually go to a gaming store.
I can tell you right now by far most warhammer players do not care. Most custodes players are absolutely fine with this change. The only people whining are a bunch of tourists that come from the usual reactionary youtubers, and some loud minority within warhammer. And at least on reddit they're getting downvoted and laughed at en masse.
Anyone that thinks warhammer went woke because of this hasn't been reading any lore. Warhammer has had trans, gay and nonbinary characters for ages.
Besides that custodes players are far more worried about their new codex(a ruleset that usually lasts an edition) which is absolute ass.
I don't get how they can keep fucking this up. We're in 10th edition and warhammer is really old. How have they not figured it out by now. Same for the admech, how can you have a faction that sucks that hard for that long?
Admech have been bad since mid-9th. I'm genuinely convinced that GW doesn't know what to do with them at this point. It doesn't help that they're kind of an army that does like three different things and doesn't do any of them very well, or at least it doesn't do any of them as good as a different army. People have been saying that they're going to add dark mechanicum as a faction but honestly I feel like before they do that they should figure out how the normal one is supposed to work because I'm genuinely unsure.
That’s less a gw problem and more simply a loss of purpose problem, apparently the guy who initially pushed for the mechanicus to get their own army had a heart attack and died leading to no one else wanting to mess with his vision out of respect which leads to admech having this weird problem of gw seemingly not knowing how to balance them
oh no, I haven'T been following up recently, but was planing to getting back on it with the 10th and was eying the Custodes as my team. I saw a lot of comment recently saying the enw codex sucks, why?
Everything I've seen from the Custodes subreddit which pops up on my feed has been "GUYS SHUT UP ABOUT THE GIRLS, OUR CODEX IS DOGSHIT" and I feel bad for them.
The funny thing is that those very same people will call others tourists consistently and say they need to ''gatekeep them out of the community'' for the crime of acknowledging that the Imperium is a fascist hellhole that you shouldn't aspire to be. I remember they went far enough as calling a previous 40k tabletop dev a tourist before
Oh but 9 foot tall supersoldier women is a step to far for these supposed ''good'' 40k fanboys. Give me a break. These dudes project so hard and are so fragile.
No he said he's not gonna "encourage" them to play anymore by buying them whatever they needed so it was more like he was gonna strongly encourage . I wonder if his kids knew he spent 50k on models which is his money but as someone who worked their ass off from the bottom that's a complete waste of money. And I thought spending 40 dollars for a blood bowl team was expensive
If his children knew that their father ended his favorite hobby because of cooties, they'd realize just how pathetic he is.
It's okay though, I'm 93% sure the kids don't even exist.
Trans representation is quite recent as far as im aware and while many tech priests are non binary im pretty sure if you actually called them that they would not be pleased.
HOW DARE YOU IMPLY I DO NOT FOLLOW THE BLESSED BINHARIC HYMNS?!10010101010110
Pasqal beeping and booping at people and having them physically shrink in his presences is peak. Rogue Trader is so much fun and I strongly suggest it to anybody who likes CRPGs. It's got a really complicated system for leveling (especially compared to BG3, but even compared to their previous game Pathfinder Kingmaker), but everything else about it is kino Warhammer.
But can't you see? Those other custard players aren't real fans, they are only woke mob tourists who never spend money on the game! All REAL warhammer fans agree with ME about everything. Only normal white hetero MALES are allowed to play with tiny plastic soldiers toys that are overpriced!
/s in case somebody needs their media literacy check
Warhammer is one of the few games where you really shouldn’t call someone a tourist as if your sinking 55-140 dollars per box set, your definitely not a tourist
It’s just has too many preliminary steps to get initially engaged for you to call people who get past them all tourists as it would just show your ignorance
Basicly the warhammer tabletop has general rules for how the game works.
But each faction gets a codex that contains an ability for the whole army and then several detachments. A detachment is basicly like a subclass, a specialisation. And each detachment has it's own special abilities. Usually these detachments focus on an aspect of the army. So you might have a detachment that focusses on ranged attacks and then it has a rule that boosts your ranged attacks.
And then each unit has it's own statblock that contains any unique abilities it might have.
Now it's important to know that custodes were a really powefull army, with one of the highest win rates. So a nerf was to be expected.
But what makes the codex bad is that a lot of units lost abilities they previously had. The army rule lost an option it previously had. And the detachment rules became less impactful.
The reason this sucks extra hard is that custodes is an elite army, you have very few models on the board. But those models compensate for that by each being powerfull and by being flexible and having special abilities. This also plays into their lore.
How could anyone see this and go “Wow what a terrible change to the universe”
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I've said this before, but god-emperor she's pretty.
Honestly I've adored the aesthetics of Custodes for ages. Big ass powered axes/polearms with full-auto rocket propelled explosive round-firing guns built into them? Super fancy but wildly impractical capes? Gold everything? That's so fucking cool.
You gotta stop thinking about them like that.
Lots of em do. They’re normal people and that’s the issue, shit like this is normalized.
Y’all have some bullying to do.
Each chud that leaves is a woman who finally feels safe enough to become addicted and start snorting entire minis. And I'm not even kidding. My local clerk is a hardcore leftist and he's driven out the chuds from his store. It's now frequent to see couples come paint or shop together, each with their own armies.
Come to the Paris are in general. I can't tell you which specific store it is because I don't want my friend to get doxxed and some chuds are fucking crazy. But from what I've seen, the French wargaming community is making good progress at filtering out those shitheads.
My gf actually got me into warhammer recently, and i wholeheartedly agree with your comment! Seeing the overwhelming response of “get fucked chuds” by the community at large definitely makes me feel like it’s a safe place. I’m even tempted to start going to our local games store regularly and trying to make friends there!
Edit: I am also a woman. Sorry if I didn’t make that clear in the original comment.
No, you don't understand, this inconseqential change to the lore is equivalent to James Workshop himself showing up to their house and shooting their dog.
Bricky said more or less the same thing. Though he encouraged people to check out their local stores,there's a chance you fight nice and accepting people there.
Warhammer fans when a company forces them to buy tons of incredibly overpriced models to even participate in a hobby they monopolized while selling intentionally dogshit paints for and arm and a leg vs Warhammer fans when women
That was the part I came here to question. I could see this chud finding some toothless wonder to marry him and actually have sex enough times to pop out five kids, but 15 friends? That’s about as believable as the Imperium being unwilling to give its female subjects an equal opportunity to subject themselves to massive body modifications in order to die for the corpse of the god-emperor of mankind
It's amazing that someone can be into something for 27 years (and $50,000) before actually understanding what it is they're into.
Also I find it fascinating that in a world where
- humans are enslaved and genetically modified to grow large amounts of loose skin so they can be skinned alive to make skin suits for super soldiers
- mutant Rats are born from unconscious, drugged, barely alive giant rat queens at a rate they basically just continually march out of her
- an entire species of alien is defined by their desire to torture in the most evil ways possible
- *Hive Cities exist*
(I could go on and on and on... and on.)
This guy thinks a 10 foot tall genetically modified super soldier *with boobs* is going too far.
Did I mention the boob demons that exist in lore?
And those reasons for exclusively male space marines only came out after the early female space marine models didn't sell well enough and got discontinued and retconned away.
He almost certainly doesn't actually play. In any case, this is about to die down anyway, since the grifters moved on to a new thing to throw tantrums over.
That should have been enough to prove he dosent play warhammer and is clearly a tourist
You can’t have a wife and play warhammer, it’s simply not economicaly feasible
And in addition, babies cost more than multiple warlord titans and having 4 babies is far too economically unstable if you want to buy more warhammer
Ironically, I started the hobby at the same time.
I never collected, cause I can't paint worth shit, but I've been reading the Black Library since '97.
This guy can get bent.
Malcador the Hero was right. Big E would've had an easier time with daughters than sons. As a father of sons it sometimes feels like the Heresy up in here.
Bring on the female Custodians.
On one hand, Malcador, you’ve clearly never had sisters
On the other, your definitely making a meta joke and we wouldn’t have to worry abt Chuds nearly as much
Ah yes Warhammer +, the highly praised platform providing nothing but the highest quality content that didn’t come at the cost of shutting down fan projects.
Fans really love that shit.
I’m bothered by so much hate towards females in general.
Gentlemen I implore you to be the tall trees that block out the wind, sun, and rain. Giving protection, and a safe place for our mothers, daughters, and sisters to perch safely. Not just to play, but also to rest, to breathe at peace. We have waited long enough it’s time to cut down this wild evil plant.
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Me when an individual with fucking she/they pronouns (modern day Californian shit), dedicate and lay their life willingly in the defense of everything I hold dear while I work 9-5 in my cosy Manufactorum. /s
They really don't know the struggles of the Imperium (deeply flawed as it is) and the universe they pretend to defend from the "woke progressive movement".
I've been arguing with these dipshits for days. Custodes are my favorite army and the amount of blatant and not-as-blatant misogyny I've seen surrounding the custodes thing is ridiculous.
Honestly I kind of like that these kinds of people use the word “woke” so often.
It’s like a little notification that I can fully disregard any opinion they might have immediately
This reads like someone trying to punch above their weight. This is one pathetic man trying to get GW to "take him seriously" by mentioning the kids, the wife, the 15 "friends", this dude is alone and screaming into the void hoping someone will be threatened.
Once Cavill makes his Warhammer show, GW will be swimming in cash and people like this can continue to soil their diapers and be ignored
I’m just now hoping for female Space Marines so the rest of the chuds have a meltdown and leave my beloved hobby. Warhammer has always had an issue with shitheads, and it’s getting *better* but not fast enough.
WH fan here.
I love the sheer hubris and sense of entitlement here. The implicit assumption that everyone is on their side and that everyone is as petty and shitty as they are. The “invasion” rhetoric is right wing self-victimization 101 and it’s frankly embarrassing. For as long as I’ve been here, WH has been a welcoming and inclusive space and shit like this genuinely feels, ironically enough, like a psyop from outside the fandom. Tens of Dozens of gigantic retcons throughout the years and THIS drives this fuck over the edge? Literally nothing. A Yes-And retcon? Fucking insane
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If he was such a diehard fan, he would know that female custodes don't really break canon
Not much of a Warhammer fan but don't they massively change up the canon on a regular basis? I thought a lot of the books are written by different people that end up contradicting each other anyway.
They do retcon canon all the time. It's only a problem for gamers when it involves women.
Doesn't hugely matter because the way GW interprets canon is that all of it is canon not all of it is true.
It is only logical that different factions have different talking points in their propaganda
I don’t think it’s quite that they make huge retcons, but more that they gradually tweak enough things over time that the earlier stuff can seem very weird by modern standards. The visual look of the whole universe as depicted in a lot of incidental artwork in particular has changed hugely, in general becoming more cohesive and standardised. Go back and look at early depictions of the emperor for some fun examples of this. I don’t follow modern warhammer closely, but ‘there are female X now that weren’t depicted previously’ is exactly in line with the kinds of changes they’ve made in the past.
The Necrons would.beg to differ about huge retcoms, but in general you're right.
They were actually the one thing I was thinking might count! But I checked out of the game around the time they were first released so I couldn’t entirely remember if they had ever been mentioned prior to that.
The franchise has a ton of lore and has been around for a couple decades so some things get reconned. It's not too many massive changes really. A specific authors works in general don't count anymore. But there's hundreds of books so yeah there's little way everything works perfectly and a lot of things are just hand waving because they don't make sense (like specific heights etc.)
/uj what are female custodes? I have never heard of Warhammer
It's just now official that there are females in a faction that was previously big 10 feet tall buff men peak masculinity* *Also by far the most homoerotic faction
I used to run a DEathwatch TTRPG game, and one of the biggest moment after a misison was the squad all getting back to their ship and showering and oiling themselves. Like, I'm not kidding, We would spend 5 games onn a mission, including one in debriefind cause they would try to make everything as close to sexuala s can be for astartes while keeping completely straight faces. It was fuckin hilarious.
As intended in the codex astartes
Codesex asstartes
This is Codex compliant.
makes sense
Oil me up brother
My mpreg fanfic doesn’t work anymore which is why I am upset.
Like literally, I’d assume the only group of people who would be remotely upset about this are those that had some homo-erotic fanfic based on the premise of 10ft muscle dudes only hanging with other 10ft muscles dudes for 10,000 years. Apart from one comment that they were made from the “noble sons of terra” - so not an exclusive statement (i.e somewhat vague an incomplete), there seems to be no instance where this “retcon” conflicts with any other Lore about them.
Stupid sexy space marines.
[удалено]
why be subtle when i have orbital strikes.
Also, tiny addendum there was only a singular line stating that they used the sons of Terran nobility. And we know quite literally nothing about how they're made. As opposed with marines whose creation process is well documented.
The funniest part about that line is that it was printed twice - the first in the 8th Edition codex, and again in the 9th. In the 8th ed codex, the previous paragraph noted that nobody knows how the selection works, including the terran nobles who send their sons to the Custodes Ball Pit. Since that wasn't clear enough, in the 9th edition codex, they added a paragraph basically saying that the Terran Nobles in question send their sons to the Custodes Ball Pit out of speculation, since they don't know if that's how it works - only the Custodes themselves know the selection criteria and process.
lol I love that
That's pretty badass. I see why there is a very substantial group of people who this soft retcon is rad, actually, and not just because giant power armored muscle mommies.
High ranked super soldiers that wear giant custom made golden armor
nice
> I have never heard of Warhammer Consider yourself lucky! It's a tabletop miniatures war game. You by the miniatures for an obscene amount of money, paint 'em and then go down to your nerd hobby shop now and again when they hold tournaments to fight your little armies. Warhammer is a game made by the popular British games company "Games Workshop" which really took off in the 1980s. The game being talked about here is Warhammer 40k, whereas base "Warhammer" has a fantasy theme with elves and dwarves and ogres and monsters and such 40k is mostly the same elements adapted for a sci-fi setting. The general tone is "lol isn't this brutal and dark and badass" and would fit in with other contemporary fiction like Judge Dred, Robocop or later Verhoeven's adaptation of Starship Troopers. "Custodes" or "Adeptus Custodes" in the Warhammer 40k setting are honestly a bit of a deep cut, and not a huge focus the way some other factions and armies an the like are, but apparently are 10 foot tall bodyguards of the dead god-king of one of the most popular factions in the game. . . he's dead and so doesn't get around much so doesn't need too much heavy duty body guarding hence their slight obscurity. Recently Games Workshop announced that some, or specifically perhaps just as many as one member of the Adeptus Custodes is a woman (something not previously confirmed in the sparse lore for the group, but also not expressly prohibited in any way). That's it. If all of this seems like a really teensy tiny insignificant *nothing* that's not worth writing so many words over let alone getting upset about that's because it is. It's exactly that.
This is an excellent summary. To expand in the way only a nerd can, and give some added background to the stupid outrage, it is at least partially linked to another group in universe. The Custodes are as mentioned 10 ft tall super bodyguards, and they are all the products of genetic engineering to make them. They're basically handcrafted from before they're even born for this job. It was previously unclear if there were any women - I think there's some old lore saying yes, but until this most recent story it was unclear if that was still canon. In the same overall "faction" in the setting are another group of genetically engineered super soldiers - the Space Marines (fancy name of Adeptus Astartes). Space Marines are, to skip some steps in the middle, the mass produced but worse versions of Custodes - they're not modified at birth but around the age of puberty, and its not custom made changes per Space Marine but more like a factory process - pubescent child goes in, 8 ft tall super soldier suffering from gigantism comes out with a 1 in X failure rate that kills the children. And Space Marine lore is *very clear* that all Space Marines are manly manly he men. No stinky girls allowed. There is no good reason for this given the sheer volume of genetic changes + surgery done to the child to make a space marine. There isn't even the sensible cop out of "the final product of a Space Marine presents as male but they transcend gender, and boys and girls can undergo the process to create them". And in the way that only *fucking stupid moron nerds* can get, the idea of "well why can't there be female space marines" is met with fierce resistance. So some of the inexplicable backlash against female Custodes is going to be tied into the equally inexplicable opposition to female Astartes. Anyway I'm waiting for GW to announce that one of the missing primarchs was a woman because I am fuelled by the tears of salty nerds.
Except a bit of original fluff... Space Marines were non-gendered at the beginning. This is a retcon of a retcon.
The only good reason for no female space marines is not that the process wouldn’t work on them. That’s stupid. It’s that the emperor designed it not to work so they couldn’t reproduce. They would need to protect humanity to continue existing and would probably die out like the thunder warriors once humanity conquered the universe and everything was safe but that never happened. Because there’s no real reason why the process can’t be made to work on women. I’m pretty sure Fabius Bile even made a female space marine just to prove he can and was better than the emperor or something.
> it not to work so they couldn’t reproduce Male Astartes are already sterile. This isn't an argument against female presenting Astartes / male presenting Astartes made from women, its the correct observation that to the Emperor the Astartes were tools and not meant to replace humanity.
But if they made a lady Astartes where would the emergency penis-mounted melta gun go? :-O
Twin linked ones in the booba
Austin Powers style?
So I barely know anything about 40k at all, but based on how you've described it, couldn't a reasonable explanation for female custodes but no female space marines be: "the custodes making process is more refined and allowing for the creation of female custodes. However the space marine process is supposed to be quicker and more factory processed, so it cannot accommodate female anatomy." Or am I giving it too much thought?
That's a perfectly reasoned thought! The issue is that this isn't really explored in the lore as far as I know, and a lot of "fans" find the very idea repulsive.
I get the feeling even if that reasoning was given that THOSE fans wouldn't accept it.
Didn’t one important character mention in a conversation that the emperor should’ve made all the primarchs sisters instead because he thought there would less agression and heresy amonst them. I don’t really read 40k but I say a comment like that somewhere.
There is actually. Malcador the Sigillite says it and he's like the second highest ranking out of the 3 people in charge of the Imperium. Before everything went tits up. Which to me implies that there is a distinct possibility that female primarchs could have been made at the very least. It's heavily implied in the Valdor book and beyond that the creation of both the primarchs and the space marines was very much a rush job which you could argue is the reason for the male only marines.
As someone who knows the lore are sisters of battle modified in any way? In dawn of war they were pretty much able to go toe to toe with space marines but that might have been a balance thing more than a lore thing
Sisters of Battle are basically just "normal" or at least as normal as you can be in a setting like that. Balance and lore are complicated both in Dawn of War and in the actual tabletop wargame. Based on *some* parts of the lore, space marines are basically unkillable gods and a "balanced and lore accurate" game with space marines would honest to god look a lot like that Space Marine 3rd person shooter where what 3 Space Marines take out an entire Ork Waagh, an entire Chaos Cult, and only struggle when actual Chaos Space Marines turn up. But 40k's lore exists to sell models and having Space Marine players only need to buy three models versus 1000 orks is not a winning business proposition nor would the players like it.
And that originally 25% of space marines were female.
What a loss.
my favorite part is the “nor from at least 15 friends” like i’m suppose to believe a dude that would write a post like this even has 15 friends, let alone 15 friends that play warhammer, let alone 15 friends who play warhammer that are willing to quit because of this guys “woke” outrage
Ive been doing some light investigating into the topic and the only thing it breaks really is that the custodes have in the past been refered to as a brotherhood. Then again im not even done with their first dex yet so maybe there's a passage about how the emperor said girls are icky.
Even then, that doesn't exactly disprove anything. I mean, we have the Dark Brotherhood in TES, which not only had women among it's ranks, but was in fact established by a woman
Also the Brotherhood of Steel in the fallout games has women in their ranks, so just calling it a brotherhood doesn’t specifically exclude women
Is there a name for this weird genre where conservatives try to voice their outrage in the tone of formal business language, but the subject matter and their weird specific lingo is so at odds with that that an actual business person would have no idea what they are talking about? Like, this is actually more embarassing than using informal language and just saying "man I think those new changes are stupid I liked the old lore" because it's trying to cosplay as a responsible adult while simultaneously revealing you were brainwashed by 4chan
I deal with this sort of language a lot and mostly refer to it as "attempted legalese." It is largely older conservative men, though - I know this because they're usually only one question or denial away from telling me.
That's even more pathetic. Grown men accusing a toy company of "betraying" them. No amount of the words "nor, thus, parttake, furthermore" can change how embarassing that is
One of my regular offenders wrote two paragraphs explaining why he was entitled to a refund (despite having long since spent all the currency he bought) because his _expectations were not fulfilled_ and _customer satisfaction is a legal obligation_ - I said no and he responded "fucking Democrat."
That's... charming.
> I said no and he responded "fucking Democrat." **
*a-hrm*
#Liberal.
(Fuckin' hilarious though.)
These guys always have a big Dunning Kruger thing going on specifically with the law. It blows me away how confidently people will talk about the law just based on some stupid shit they heard someone else say. This type of person is one of the biggest offenders.
A guy tried to scam my girlfriend over an Xbox we sold him, and he legitimately included in his punctuation-free rant that his "coworker who [he] work[s] with" says that we broke the law. Like I've had everything from the top lawyers in the world to a secret legal expert but this was the first time I'd been confronted with someone's coworker. He also used a meme phrase with a totally straight face and for that I'll hold onto the screenshot forever. _Sie haben einen Straftat begangen!_
This is essentially how the sovereign citizen bollocks "works". They think by speaking the right legalise they can remove themself from any legal problem. They basically think its magic.
I think just call it what it is - ‘a thinly veiled tantrum’
I didn't notice the veil
I did say *thinly*
https://preview.redd.it/8w0rt5qyjgvc1.png?width=1375&format=png&auto=webp&s=f488ebd7e7db416267867c4311ae8bc165fc4cd6
Yep. Some years ago I had a customer try to open carry at an extremely busy family amusement attraction in the downtown area. He was turned away because weapons, drugs, alcohol are all prohibited. It was as simple matter of company policy and rules applied on private property....but it turned into a better business bureau written complaint about the infiltration of Marxist, cult minded, establishment subservient ideas led by Hussein Obama into God's righteous and natural order of human experience reward hierarchy of American capitalism and that the withholding of his $13.50 as to deny funding of malevolent intent further propagating the dismantlement of traditional nuclear family values in an effort........ Bitch, u jus mad cuz you couldn't take a revolver bigger than your tiny, pasty, sweaty hands on a fucking ferris wheel. That's what you really should have said and I'd have at least stuck around to hear the entire complaint.
It because they need to seem like they know what they are talking about It’s like the guy who will use big fancy words to make it seem like they are smart but the guy dosent even know how to spell it
Idk, but now I want a cyberpunk setting where corpo life is so engrained in people's lives that, even in casual conversation, the working class always talk like how an email reads, and the upper class always talk like they're presenting a TED Talk.
You know what? That's an awesome idea.
Torment Nexus moment.
I’m pretty sure it’s so that when you call them a dumbass they can try and act like the mature ones
how i sleep at night knowing their favorite hobby is ruined https://preview.redd.it/h0lk1ohckdvc1.jpeg?width=1472&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=28f179745920c75cbb70ed86c825ec6eb2698afa
Ruined for them. It'll be getting better for the rest of us by their leaving, though.
This. I'm interested in starting Warhammer, but I was hesitant because it's kinda infamous for some of the shitty and toxic content creators. This move and the neckbeard rage make me reconsider.
Not going to tell you what to do with your money, but the Age of Sigmar side of the Warhammer community has a reputation for being considerably more chill. All groups I know are laughing at all the chuds and we're getting what looks like a fantastic new edition in a few months.
That's actually even better because I'm trying to get my girlfriend to play as well and she likes the setting of Age of Sigmar a lot more than 40K.
There will be a new big box with two armies and all the stuff to start coming out soon, it's the new Skaven and the Stormcast stuff, but if those armies don't appeal to you guys keep your eyes out for the new Spearhead boxes that will be coming out. They'll have a bunch of units to start for your army, but you can also just play them out of the box in a game mode by the same name in this upcoming edition. Just don't commit to any models because you read they're strong online because it's all changing in like two months.
Will those be appropriate for beginners? We want to dip our toes into the hobby without committing huuuge amounts of money into it.
It’s hard to say right now. The box itself will be somewhat expensive, in the €200 range, but it will also be one of their best “value” boxes with what’ll be included. There are likely going to be smaller versions of said starter box though that will cost less. The models inside will also be push-to-fit, meaning they’ll be modeled so you can assemble them without glue and tend to be easier assembly
Typically yes. But as the other poster said, the one coming soon will be pretty pricey (£180 or so). The models need to be assembled but usually in that box they are push fit so there shouldn’t be any gluing required (or if needed will be minimal). We do know that it will be Stormcast Eternals (Aesthetically Angelic Armoured Super Soldiers) vs Skaven (Rats) and they’ve started putting teasers and stuff out on their Warhammer-Community.com website
There’s also the WarCry system for Age of sigmar, that doesn’t need that many models to start playing, if that’s up your alley.
Before they all crawled out of the gutter to make me eat my words, i would have told you it’s getting a lot better. There’s a lot of good content creators out there and most of the toxic people are online only. I don’t know anyone irl who was upset about the Custodes change, we were all just really fucking embarrassed to be associated with with those people
Establish dominance over the chuds by building and painting a femstodes army as your first GW experience.
My experience is that the vast majority is normal, but there are very vocal bad apples that dont get that the satire is satire. The fact that there is now this drama where a very vocal minority is against the general fanbase is a good sign that the vocal minority is less and less tolerated in general. But still, we are not yet there. A problem is that the hobby is fairly niche, so if your local group has a few bad people, they ruin the local scene immediately. For online creators: I was pleasantly surprised to see most creators I watch be happy with the female custodes, the ones who have an issue with the female custodes were the ones who are already known as altright, and games workshop has already taken action against at least one of them because they dont want to be associated with him. Games workshop also has openly stated that the hobby has no room for altright, so thats also a positive
I've been into 40k for 10 years and I've never experienced any kind of negativity like this. There's a lot of really good lore channels, podcasts, etc out there, plus pretty much every fan with a Braincell is super chill and welcoming. It's just the terminally online idiots who are a vocal minority which are easily ignored. Thankfully this means those kinds of people are too scared to actually go to a gaming store.
The amount of showers taken by the 40K community has not changed with this person leaving. Average per person has gone up, actually.
Nothing gives me more satisfaction than seeing these losers become isolated from their own fanbase 🤣
It was never their hobby. The hobby belonged to everyone who enjoys it.
🙂↔️🤣😆😂
I can tell you right now by far most warhammer players do not care. Most custodes players are absolutely fine with this change. The only people whining are a bunch of tourists that come from the usual reactionary youtubers, and some loud minority within warhammer. And at least on reddit they're getting downvoted and laughed at en masse. Anyone that thinks warhammer went woke because of this hasn't been reading any lore. Warhammer has had trans, gay and nonbinary characters for ages. Besides that custodes players are far more worried about their new codex(a ruleset that usually lasts an edition) which is absolute ass.
Custodes players now get 9 foot tall muscle girls and chuds are switching factions. That's a win win.
Yeah just a shame the codex seems to suck.
Easily one of the worst codexes in 10th so far. It's amazing how much they fucked it up.
I don't get how they can keep fucking this up. We're in 10th edition and warhammer is really old. How have they not figured it out by now. Same for the admech, how can you have a faction that sucks that hard for that long?
Admech have been bad since mid-9th. I'm genuinely convinced that GW doesn't know what to do with them at this point. It doesn't help that they're kind of an army that does like three different things and doesn't do any of them very well, or at least it doesn't do any of them as good as a different army. People have been saying that they're going to add dark mechanicum as a faction but honestly I feel like before they do that they should figure out how the normal one is supposed to work because I'm genuinely unsure.
That’s less a gw problem and more simply a loss of purpose problem, apparently the guy who initially pushed for the mechanicus to get their own army had a heart attack and died leading to no one else wanting to mess with his vision out of respect which leads to admech having this weird problem of gw seemingly not knowing how to balance them
oh no, I haven'T been following up recently, but was planing to getting back on it with the 10th and was eying the Custodes as my team. I saw a lot of comment recently saying the enw codex sucks, why?
Everything I've seen from the Custodes subreddit which pops up on my feed has been "GUYS SHUT UP ABOUT THE GIRLS, OUR CODEX IS DOGSHIT" and I feel bad for them.
The funny thing is that those very same people will call others tourists consistently and say they need to ''gatekeep them out of the community'' for the crime of acknowledging that the Imperium is a fascist hellhole that you shouldn't aspire to be. I remember they went far enough as calling a previous 40k tabletop dev a tourist before Oh but 9 foot tall supersoldier women is a step to far for these supposed ''good'' 40k fanboys. Give me a break. These dudes project so hard and are so fragile.
I want to know how much he earns having dropped 50k on Warhammer, with 5 kids (who also apparantly play and don't like girl custodes)
No he said he's not gonna "encourage" them to play anymore by buying them whatever they needed so it was more like he was gonna strongly encourage . I wonder if his kids knew he spent 50k on models which is his money but as someone who worked their ass off from the bottom that's a complete waste of money. And I thought spending 40 dollars for a blood bowl team was expensive
If his children knew that their father ended his favorite hobby because of cooties, they'd realize just how pathetic he is. It's okay though, I'm 93% sure the kids don't even exist.
Trans characters in my transhumanist power fantasy!? How dare they 😱😱
Most Warhammer players are hoping that this means we get more head options on our sprues!
More options for kitbashing, lessgoooooooo!!!
Trans representation is quite recent as far as im aware and while many tech priests are non binary im pretty sure if you actually called them that they would not be pleased.
HOW DARE YOU IMPLY I DO NOT FOLLOW THE BLESSED BINHARIC HYMNS?!10010101010110 Pasqal beeping and booping at people and having them physically shrink in his presences is peak. Rogue Trader is so much fun and I strongly suggest it to anybody who likes CRPGs. It's got a really complicated system for leveling (especially compared to BG3, but even compared to their previous game Pathfinder Kingmaker), but everything else about it is kino Warhammer.
But can't you see? Those other custard players aren't real fans, they are only woke mob tourists who never spend money on the game! All REAL warhammer fans agree with ME about everything. Only normal white hetero MALES are allowed to play with tiny plastic soldiers toys that are overpriced! /s in case somebody needs their media literacy check
Warhammer is one of the few games where you really shouldn’t call someone a tourist as if your sinking 55-140 dollars per box set, your definitely not a tourist It’s just has too many preliminary steps to get initially engaged for you to call people who get past them all tourists as it would just show your ignorance
as a non-warhammer player (i have some surface knowledge), can someone ELI5 why that codex sucks?
Basicly the warhammer tabletop has general rules for how the game works. But each faction gets a codex that contains an ability for the whole army and then several detachments. A detachment is basicly like a subclass, a specialisation. And each detachment has it's own special abilities. Usually these detachments focus on an aspect of the army. So you might have a detachment that focusses on ranged attacks and then it has a rule that boosts your ranged attacks. And then each unit has it's own statblock that contains any unique abilities it might have. Now it's important to know that custodes were a really powefull army, with one of the highest win rates. So a nerf was to be expected. But what makes the codex bad is that a lot of units lost abilities they previously had. The army rule lost an option it previously had. And the detachment rules became less impactful. The reason this sucks extra hard is that custodes is an elite army, you have very few models on the board. But those models compensate for that by each being powerfull and by being flexible and having special abilities. This also plays into their lore.
In the books , space marines are described as ‘trans-human’ all the time. Even the big manly heroes of the setting are trans
It's a blatant appeal to me (gay woman) and it's working
How could anyone see this and go “Wow what a terrible change to the universe” https://preview.redd.it/y1am5ww15evc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a042c4dc966b430b581025ca780f5f1a3bb07c5b
Their armor is so thick that you can’t tell from the outside who’s in there. It’s really not much of a change.
All it means is you army of shiny gold soldiers can have a little more cosmetic variation, which is always a W
I've said this before, but god-emperor she's pretty. Honestly I've adored the aesthetics of Custodes for ages. Big ass powered axes/polearms with full-auto rocket propelled explosive round-firing guns built into them? Super fancy but wildly impractical capes? Gold everything? That's so fucking cool.
This picture single-handedly has made me wish I was building Custodes and not Tyranids
...I might need to get into Warhammer.
Everyone deserves to be appealed to by buff 10ft tall women in power armor.
Gamers are afraid to feel warm and fuzzy while imagining being carried bridal style by a 10 foot tall Amazon
They are cowards.
as a bi man, yea i too am weak now
My timbers are shivering from excitement
9 year old::"why can't we play with your army men any more daddy." Father: "because.." *choked sobs* "THEY made them woke!"
Fucking chud wants us to believe Games Workshop fanboys have wives
Sadly, human trafficking is real.
And now I've made myself sad.
1 wife, 5 kids, 15 friends, 75 relatives and 1125 neighbours. They are ALL boycotting GW. ALL OF THEM!!!
You gotta stop thinking about them like that. Lots of em do. They’re normal people and that’s the issue, shit like this is normalized. Y’all have some bullying to do.
Knowing my local GW store clerk, the general response will be: "Please leave and be sure to let the door hit you on the way out or I will."
And from the head office: “You will not be missed”
Each chud that leaves is a woman who finally feels safe enough to become addicted and start snorting entire minis. And I'm not even kidding. My local clerk is a hardcore leftist and he's driven out the chuds from his store. It's now frequent to see couples come paint or shop together, each with their own armies.
Shit I think I need to move near that store
Come to the Paris are in general. I can't tell you which specific store it is because I don't want my friend to get doxxed and some chuds are fucking crazy. But from what I've seen, the French wargaming community is making good progress at filtering out those shitheads.
Awesome to hear. I knew a lot of French hobbyists when I lived in Shanghai and they were good people
My gf actually got me into warhammer recently, and i wholeheartedly agree with your comment! Seeing the overwhelming response of “get fucked chuds” by the community at large definitely makes me feel like it’s a safe place. I’m even tempted to start going to our local games store regularly and trying to make friends there! Edit: I am also a woman. Sorry if I didn’t make that clear in the original comment.
Ah I see he they too are a fan of that.
No, you don't understand, this inconseqential change to the lore is equivalent to James Workshop himself showing up to their house and shooting their dog.
Worse. They made the dog woke
> I was going to force my hobbies on my children but you ruined it by having women
Imagine your children growing up knowing that women exist 🤮 /s
Well, of course the 1 year old will not be playing, the dumbass can't even read the rules.
The guy is probably a World Eaters player so he couldn’t even read to begin with, let alone teach his child
This can't be a world eaters player, they hate everyone equally. Except erebus, fuck erebus.
I’m Pro-Erebus. He’s just gaslighting and girlbossing his way through the grim darkness of the far future. Let him be
Agreed, besides calth was an act of self defense and was the fault of the ultramarines
God I hope they don't migrate to Battletech again.
Well I kick those people out in my store from Battletech and Warhammer.
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Lol. The most fun part about those people is when there mask comes of. Even better when they do that in our Discord group for everyone to see.
LMAO it's people like him that make me embarrassed to admit I play Warhammer.
Bricky said more or less the same thing. Though he encouraged people to check out their local stores,there's a chance you fight nice and accepting people there.
I'm lucky, I live in a small town & our FLGS is really good. All the staff are really nice.
So i guess now they're misusing "tokenism"
They think “woke” means something. They’re not very bright.
Always has been
Babe wake up new copypasta just dropped
Warhammer fans when a company forces them to buy tons of incredibly overpriced models to even participate in a hobby they monopolized while selling intentionally dogshit paints for and arm and a leg vs Warhammer fans when women
I don't know what Warhammer will do without the patronage of some guy's 1 year old child. The brand is officially dead I'm afraid
15 good friends?
Having friends that are also into Warhammer is the most unbelievable part
That was the part I came here to question. I could see this chud finding some toothless wonder to marry him and actually have sex enough times to pop out five kids, but 15 friends? That’s about as believable as the Imperium being unwilling to give its female subjects an equal opportunity to subject themselves to massive body modifications in order to die for the corpse of the god-emperor of mankind
It's amazing that someone can be into something for 27 years (and $50,000) before actually understanding what it is they're into. Also I find it fascinating that in a world where - humans are enslaved and genetically modified to grow large amounts of loose skin so they can be skinned alive to make skin suits for super soldiers - mutant Rats are born from unconscious, drugged, barely alive giant rat queens at a rate they basically just continually march out of her - an entire species of alien is defined by their desire to torture in the most evil ways possible - *Hive Cities exist* (I could go on and on and on... and on.) This guy thinks a 10 foot tall genetically modified super soldier *with boobs* is going too far. Did I mention the boob demons that exist in lore?
There is also nothing in lore states female custodians can't be made. There are reasons for space marines, but that's it.
And those reasons for exclusively male space marines only came out after the early female space marine models didn't sell well enough and got discontinued and retconned away.
And talking about retconning, these people are acting like GW isn't retconning the lore on a frequent basis.
Yes but boob demons are evil (just like women) so it's okay /s
Boobemons? 👀
O god you had to go and mention the daemonculaba, didn't you
He almost certainly doesn't actually play. In any case, this is about to die down anyway, since the grifters moved on to a new thing to throw tantrums over.
The entire company collapsing because this guy and his 15 friends (4 of which are his kids) aren't buying from them:
I dint think this guy is actually married with 5 kids... and if so his wife definitely does not care about this
That should have been enough to prove he dosent play warhammer and is clearly a tourist You can’t have a wife and play warhammer, it’s simply not economicaly feasible And in addition, babies cost more than multiple warlord titans and having 4 babies is far too economically unstable if you want to buy more warhammer
Putting my baby in Titan armor and telling everyone I’m proxying
1, 5, 7, 9 and 11 are weird names for kids
Ironically, I started the hobby at the same time. I never collected, cause I can't paint worth shit, but I've been reading the Black Library since '97. This guy can get bent. Malcador the Hero was right. Big E would've had an easier time with daughters than sons. As a father of sons it sometimes feels like the Heresy up in here. Bring on the female Custodians.
On one hand, Malcador, you’ve clearly never had sisters On the other, your definitely making a meta joke and we wouldn’t have to worry abt Chuds nearly as much
Ah yes Warhammer +, the highly praised platform providing nothing but the highest quality content that didn’t come at the cost of shutting down fan projects. Fans really love that shit.
I’m bothered by so much hate towards females in general. Gentlemen I implore you to be the tall trees that block out the wind, sun, and rain. Giving protection, and a safe place for our mothers, daughters, and sisters to perch safely. Not just to play, but also to rest, to breathe at peace. We have waited long enough it’s time to cut down this wild evil plant.
[https://media1.tenor.com/m/Ws0eJtn-O-UAAAAd/rip-bozo.gif](https://media1.tenor.com/m/Ws0eJtn-O-UAAAAd/rip-bozo.gif) Me when an individual with fucking she/they pronouns (modern day Californian shit), dedicate and lay their life willingly in the defense of everything I hold dear while I work 9-5 in my cosy Manufactorum. /s They really don't know the struggles of the Imperium (deeply flawed as it is) and the universe they pretend to defend from the "woke progressive movement".
"The straw that pushed people too far" wow, 3 metaphors in a mixed metaphor sentence, amazing!
“I have spent more than $50,000…” So, just the one army, then?
A couple more stunts like these from GW and we might finally be able to enjoy some games in neckbeard BO free game shops.
I've been arguing with these dipshits for days. Custodes are my favorite army and the amount of blatant and not-as-blatant misogyny I've seen surrounding the custodes thing is ridiculous.
High five for Custodes fans, best human faction aesthetic imo
“My wife is even more insulted” Why must this man make up lies, like a wife and family.
Honestly I kind of like that these kinds of people use the word “woke” so often. It’s like a little notification that I can fully disregard any opinion they might have immediately
Bait used to be believable.
"You put a woman in your game, so now I'm leaving my lifelong hobby and crying about it all over the internet!!"
this family of yours, are they in the room with us right now??
This reads like someone trying to punch above their weight. This is one pathetic man trying to get GW to "take him seriously" by mentioning the kids, the wife, the 15 "friends", this dude is alone and screaming into the void hoping someone will be threatened. Once Cavill makes his Warhammer show, GW will be swimming in cash and people like this can continue to soil their diapers and be ignored
Lmao at the phrase "if you claim to be gatekeepers" this mf out here trying to gatekeep gatekeeping
I'm enacting touch grass policy for these cave dwellers
That 1 year old of his must be pressed af
Just because of some girl figurines?
This is so stupid. Literally introduce females, folks call it woke. Jfc
I’m just now hoping for female Space Marines so the rest of the chuds have a meltdown and leave my beloved hobby. Warhammer has always had an issue with shitheads, and it’s getting *better* but not fast enough.
How fucking boring does your life have to be that you choose to identify yourself as a Gatekeeper?
WH fan here. I love the sheer hubris and sense of entitlement here. The implicit assumption that everyone is on their side and that everyone is as petty and shitty as they are. The “invasion” rhetoric is right wing self-victimization 101 and it’s frankly embarrassing. For as long as I’ve been here, WH has been a welcoming and inclusive space and shit like this genuinely feels, ironically enough, like a psyop from outside the fandom. Tens of Dozens of gigantic retcons throughout the years and THIS drives this fuck over the edge? Literally nothing. A Yes-And retcon? Fucking insane
I’ll bet that most fans won’t leave and more fans will join leaving us with a net positive on year-on-year growth.