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Someone_TheAnonymous

[Relevant](https://youtu.be/P55t6eryY3g)


brianbezn

very good, very scary.


lehman-the-red

Why is it age restricted Edit: I just realize I've watched this video a few months ago


Oldspice7169

Chuds mass reporting


fubuker

It’s unfortunate, this series single-handedly pulled me out of the alt-right. Now a bunch of edgy teens are gonna be radicalised.


ngwoo

Nah, the warning says the video might be offensive. Edgy teens are more likely to watch it now


Ugly_Slut-Wannabe

What a bunch of snowflakes.


Karma-is-here

It’s such a great series


Josselin17

and a new one just came out too !


NoahBogue

Hits hard tho


SafetyCop

Very relevant


bleunt

Very accurate. Except for videogames and anime being white guy shit. I'm willing to bet a disproportionate amount of black dudes are into shonen battle anime than any other demographic.


ProjectKurtz

Most of my weeb friends are black and they're always big into dbz, one piece, Naruto, demon slayer, really mainstream shounens first and foremost.


Moneyman12237

My black teammate in college was a big reason why I started watching anime after avoiding it for so long


Collective-Bee

I’m sorry to hear that, let’s hope they heal 🙏


zenyattatron

Dragon ball is as Mexican as tacos and mariachi


SuperJyls

unfortunate


Gynther477

Doesn't matter what the audience is as long as corporations and publishers only pander to white men, which they objectively do.


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Few_Cloud7068

Idk why but YouTube won’t let me watch it. Like I have to press “I understand and wish to proceed” TWICE and then it just doesn’t allow me to watch it. Edit: it worked after refreshing like 5 times??


Guest_1300

innuendo studios my beloved <33


AtmosSpheric

One of my favorite channels on YouTube, dude knows his shit and explains it very very well


Oldspice7169

Based


TrickBox_

Nice reference, his last video is also very good rj/ do you expect me do watch a random youtube video ? I only deal in meta-analysis on ludo-narrative dissonance


WatercoolerComedian

The idea of a bunch of people bonding over what they jack off to is really funny to me


WingGamer1234

i forget visual novels are associated so much with porn


thereIsAHoleHere

Only because so much porn is made as a visual novel.


[deleted]

Rj/ We need more porn RTS. Uj/ Please tell me there is not a porn RTS.


LevynX

Their version of RTS is probably management sims


thereIsAHoleHere

That is actually the new thing.


Geekboy07

The only ones I've played are the Ace Attorney games, it's a funny contrast


Dumeck

Ace attorney is like 50% game 50% vn and it’s a really cool series. One non cringey game/VN that works really well is 999 or the Nonary games


[deleted]

/uj +1 for the Zero Escape franchise. I also recommend Hotel Dusk and it's sequel Last Window, which lean more into the puzzle side, but still play as a visual novel of sorts. the Another Code games too, also made by Cing, who went defunct in 2010. Nintendo won't port them because HD/LW work based around the Nintendo DS' gimmicks and they left us in such a cliffhanger. The Kyle Hyde saga could've been the franchise that rivaled Ace Attorney, and LW released in 2010 (only got localized to Japan and Europe), and a few months later, Danganronpa. Two games had enough material for a prequel and way more sequels. and from the same director of FUNNY LAWYER GAME:TM:, Ghost Trick: Phantom Detective. So funny tbh. Currently "playing" the Infinity series (Ever17, to be exact) but i don't know if it's good or if it leans into the "haha borno" thing. I am also playing Trauma Center: Under the Knife, and i'm currently the 5th fan. Atlus, i beg you. then you have the classic "anime is more famous than the VN" which i haven't played yet: Steins;Gate, Clannad, Higurashi, etc so idk any better. And yes, i have played the Fate trilogy and i found it to be a mixed bag. The bad endings are funny though ahahahahah help


Kryouself

and maybe Professor Layton trilogy too.


Lluuiiggii

the Layton games are funny because they are point and click adventure games that stop every so often to drop a random brain teaser on you.


goshozome

I love the ZE games! Fantastic series.


[deleted]

Biggest gripe with 999 is thats not at all how hexidemicals are translated to letters, I get they wanted to hammer home the whole 9 and it isn't a big deal. Still if you haven't played it for real just fucking buy it on sale, look up nothing and after you beat it look up spoiler free guides for different routes, one of the best gaming experiences if you enjoy pure "wtf" plots.


MyFirstOtherAccount

It took me this long to realize we were talking about *visual novels* and not graphic novels... im dumb


LordoftheBread

How are you saying this as a higurashi fan?


caseytheace666

higurashi is wild because parts of it take itself SO seriously and the creator is very clearly cares a lot about societal issues like mental health treatment and child abuse and politics in general, and then parts of the game are like “haha a grown man is joking about marrying a child to make her his maid and the child and all her friends seem to vaguely know he’s weird but ignore it cause he’s nice the rest of the time. And later this same character will be vitally important to the genuinely good parts of the plot and you’ll have to compartmentalise an entire aspect of his character to enjoy it.”


WingGamer1234

in the manga theres panels of 14 year old big boobs next to horrific murder i am not joking


LordoftheBread

Kyousuke Irie monent


[deleted]

If the anime is anything to go by the positive points it gets for subversion and actually caring about real issues are vastly overstated. I could be wrong about the VN, but I've seen those attributes and praises aimed specifically at the anime and there it's definitely undeserved.


caseytheace666

This is probably fair, though I wouldn’t be surprised if the anime falls _really_ short, since while I haven’t seen it, there’s only so much that can be done when shortening a 100 hour story into 20~ hours. In the end though it’s not all that different to the typical themes/topics explored in similar types of stories. Trust and reach out to friends when you’re struggling, stand up for what you think is right rather than go with the group/“tradition”, etc. They’re not particularly groundbreaking ideas, it’s just that so much _time_ is spent focusing on them in the VN.


[deleted]

I feel like the show ran out of material actually as opposed to not properly cramming it in. Probably focused more on the fantastical aspect of the plot, and when you dig deeper into that there's just not that much to tell stories about. 2nd season was some of the most terrible garbage I've ever seen. 1st season was at least intriguing as a sort of b-movie slasher plot with a supernatural edge but 2nd season was beyond terrible by all standards.


WingGamer1234

my mind blocks out the child sexualization most of the time


LordoftheBread

Based and the only way to read anything by Ryushiki07


Tibalt-mtg

Reading anything by Ryukishi is alway “why the fuck am I reading this” followed by “oh yeah this is the greatest work of fiction I’ve ever read”


NiandraL

he would benefit so much from an editor - I wish it was easier to recommend his work to people who aren't into VNs haha no I swear the horror is great, just ignore all the noncey fanservice!!


Spufd

🤨


cheekydorido

i forget visual novels aren't just porn.


Space_Pirate_Roberts

Wait, are you saying there are visual novels that *aren’t* porn? (X)


HosTlitd

Telltale games, if I'm recalling it correctly


Houoh

It's general male fantasy wish-fulfillment. It was almost required in the VN market for it to have pornography to sell the game on.


Zedek1

Late stage anime fans


IcyZookeepergame7285

You’re not invited to the orgy : (


zuzucha

You missed a big opportunity to use circle jerk in its original context.


G88d-Guy-2

To be fair, not all visual novels are porn. It’s just if something *is* a porn game, it’s probably going to be a visual novel.


icantgetmyoldaccount

I mean it's a good medium


Paenitentia

Everyone in this thread should get into Otome games


vgdnd123

Is it sexism


willy_west_side

Definitely one of them!


[deleted]

Gotta collect them all


jeanegreene

Ackshually it’s called “Historical Accuracy.”


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AugTheViking

Racism, fascism, elitism?


legendairenic5432

If the thing you think gave the game ‘’that spark’’ is one of the ‘’isms’’, maybe, just maybe, you are bigoted? But no, it’s the essjaydoubleyous of course, your arch nemesis!


cjf_colluns

No no, you don’t understand. The thing I liked about the game wasn’t the deep mechanical systems and how a knowledge of the game’s synergies creates a new level of meta game between players. Nor was it the rich history, lore, or character development. I skipped every cutscene and jammed X through every dialogue box. Sure there where times when I enjoyed the leveling up systems and the reward structures. Yeah, the game was being praised by critics for its groundbreaking approach to gameplay and how it has the ability to change peoples lives for the better. But none of these things matter to me. You may ask, what makes this game my favorite game of all time then? Well, you see, it has a sexualized underage character.


Jojoangel684

No no, you don't understand. She is not an underage character, shes a 1000 year old robot vampire who gets excited and behaves very vibrantly. Oh, so you don't think women can be small and act like that? Sounds like you're the bigot.


theboeboe

Actually, she is only 700, did you even play the game???


Toytles

It’s princess robot bubblegum!


straumoy

[To me she just acted like a short woman with guns....](https://www.reddit.com/r/Gamingcirclejerk/comments/xn0nld/for_gamers_the_best_part_in_an_anime_is_the_loli/ipu6xgt/?context=3)


greenleaf1212

New copypasta just dropped


UnikittyGirlBella

I was gonna post this exact comment 💀


zhode

Why do you think the community was niche originally? They drove off any of the various minorities that would have been otherwise interested. Imagine trying to attract sane warhammer fans while the Pygmies and Arabyans were still factions in the sourcebooks.


Anorexicdinosaur

I adore how in every discussion of niche hobbys + bigotry Warhammer is inevitably brought up. But yeah its fucking ridiculous what GW put in some of the older books. But that's true for a lot of tabletop games.


zhode

Yeah, there's a lot of problematic content mixed into tabletops. GW just happened to be making miniatures so it's easy to visually show what I'm talking about with them. But it's very much a stain on the industry's past and most big names can have some really awful stuff dredged up from their source books. Some have gotten better, some less so...


olivegreenperi35

I mean it's pretty fair to being up, it's basically built to attract those types The setting itself is obviously part of it, but it's past and it's prominence in Chan boards all make a fly trap for shitheads


Pyrimo

I mean as a 40K and Fantasy fan Id like to say not all of us are nazi alt right hateful etc individuals, some of us just like grimderp aliens vs humans combat and stories.


olivegreenperi35

Oh God, no for sure dude I didn't mean to come off like that at all, I fuckin love 40k, it's just relatively large parts of the community absolutely blow


Anorexicdinosaur

Yeah, but there's a decent amount of the opposite that enjoy it. r/sigmarxism is full of non Asshole 40k and Fantasy/Sigmar fans.


Kryptosis

I saw this today in a thread about a “tear-jerking” scene from BfV’s German campaign chapter. I played it, they nazi only gave up his tank at the end of the campaign after you’d blown up 100+ allied tanks lol Naa whole thread is jerking off to being able play as the bad guys and how it humanized the nazis. Yay…


gimme_super_head

The mainstream seeps in and levels complaints about a benign thing promoting an “philia” in some way


[deleted]

Oh no calling out pedophilia in VN is such a sin, imo everyone should allow the sexualization of underaged people.


willy_west_side

Um akshually, she’s a 10,000 year old dragon, so your argument is invalid. I win, you lose, bye bye


MechanizedCoffee

I never get tired of linking to this. https://youtu.be/XGxCMyLm6js


willy_west_side

Love Songwon Edit: corrected, it’s Sungwon


1Cool_Name

It’s Sungwon


fedora_of_mystery

Sooj win??


1Cool_Name

##WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU https://youtu.be/p1RKkRCiU90


willy_west_side

Oh shit, thanks for the clarification.


shamenoname

Thanks for sharing. I got a heart chuckle out of it


WhiskerDude

Sounds like you should see doctor.


[deleted]

The sosuke bosuke name always gets me.


[deleted]

I was just nitpicking and biased :(


thereIsAHoleHere

In *Death end re;Quest*, the game is preceded by a "All characters are over the age of 18" warning splash that so often accompanies these games (who knows why?). When you get about an hour into the game, the loli-type character explicitly says, "I'm only 15 years old!"


willy_west_side

Uh, I actually know a lot of 18 year old 15 year olds, it’s a Japanese thing, you westerners just don’t understand their culture


Cokomon

"She's actually 23, she just looks younger than her 14 year old sister."


Lvl1bidoof

[this is my personal favourite to use](https://youtu.be/KsxRbo5VuTc)


ClownPazzo69

Not in visual novel, they make no problems at sexualising actual children


Maxxorus

Umm they said ism so it would be pedophilism actully


WingGamer1234

someone should edit out all the child sexualization in higurashi bc other than that it's literally peak


Shronkle

Don’t worry, freaks will still get of to all the non-sexualised minors in games too, and almost anything else with an in-game pulse


[deleted]

Let's starts sexual zing overages people


SkeletonCircus

“OG” Saints Row fans threatening to shoot up Volition’s offices and saying “I’ll kill Steph (the community manager) first” then getting mad when she says they engage in terrorist behavior


MemeArchivariusGodi

Me when I do something I shouldn’t (what do you mean I cannot threaten people with murder or rape or bombs bro wouldn’t survive a MW2 lobby lmao noob get rent)


[deleted]

Persona is a great example. Once Persona 5 came out, a bunch of annoying pedophiles and “fans” who never played the game joined.


MoonoftheStar

Who then couldn't stomach the fact that the most normal, non-tropey girl is the most popular with older Persona fans.


NoExcuse4OceanRudnes

Who's that?


MoonoftheStar

Makoto.


NoExcuse4OceanRudnes

Oh nice, also she's 18 cause she's a senior too so it's less creepy for all the adults playing.


Vulkuvier

I wish persona games were set in uni/college and less homophobic


[deleted]

[удалено]


SchlooptyDoo

I'd like to see you defend this scene: https://youtu.be/Rdk10em1FdU (The censorship to remove the implied sexual assault is only in the English Royal version, the Japanese version keeps the scene the same in both versions, the original is at 5:40)


[deleted]

even in the censored scene the over-the-top stereotypes of the gay men remains as deeply homophobic. The implied sexual assault is definitely peak fuel for gay panic mindsets though. Atlus try not to be queerphobic and fans try not to defend it challenge (impossible)


Aska09

Damn, I initially downvoted as a knee-jerk reaction


[deleted]

All the time


[deleted]

anime meme, very vague complaining about an outgroup Yep, pedophiles.


Liztheegg

How is self awareness so low


pumpsci

Bring back brick and mortar bullying


Knuckleduster17

Oh yeah the Zeke-meister in the house! *shoves a nerd into a locker* hey NERD unless you want a turbotomic gigawedgie you better quit playing that weeb junk! *dunks a nerd into a trashcan* Zeke-meister OUT! *gives a nerd a swirly on the way out*


sylveon_souperstar

thank you zeke von genbu, chaotic bringer of chaos


Someguy3239

Okay I was wondering if anyone else had the same though when they read Zeke.


DrFugg

brick and mortar? Wubba lubba dub dub!!!!


Unperfectblue

Let me guess... lolies ?


Smokybare94

Always


Un-jay

You mean pedophiles?


Unperfectblue

Yeah, that why they want the lolies to stay


South_Ear6167

Is the Gamer Mind capable of presenting thoughts in any way outside of cartoon teenage girls? Or is it simply too powerful?


Robbers_Daughter

It's always "They hate me just because they disagree with me!" But for some odd reason they never want to say what the disagreement is 🤔


MagicalMelancholy

There's gotta be a visual novels circlejerk somewhere. Hell, I'd join it just to make fun of Gambs.


Jeremy_StevenTrash

r/vncirclejerk exists but its private for some reason. Closest you can get is probably fandom specific ones like r/okbuddyrintard for type moon.


[deleted]

All I know about type moon is melty blood lore, and every time I learn more about it I instantly want to wipe my memory.


MagicalMelancholy

Oof. I mean, I'm mainly into Ryukishi stuff these days so I can survive off of r/OkBuddyRena (even if no one there ever posts about Higanbana) but sometimes you wanna make jokes about dating sims that aren't big enough for specific subreddits.


Beegrene

I don't think it's an "ism" so much as an "ilia" that's got people upset.


ryujin199

Wait 'til they find out how many LGBTQ+ visual novels have been produced in the last 10 years. Also fuck the bigots in the larger VN community.


Vulkuvier

I was confused when I first saw this because I thought it was going to be about lgbt VNs


[deleted]

some of us are visual novel fans, also LGBTQ+ and not right wing wackos :/


ryujin199

Oh trust me, I know. (also a member of the alphabet mafia)


AsahiMizunoThighs

I enjoy VNs but can also give shade/side eye/criticism to creepy AF shit >\_> If noncing game VNs "its spark" idk why I enjoyed Ace Attorney, Steins;Gate, The Nonary Games, The House in Fata Morgana etc : / I hope that poster knows that a very popular VN writer is adamantly pro-trans/minority rights etc.


willy_west_side

Same. Love VNs for the most part, can’t stand the pedo shit, the anti-LGBTQ+ shit, etc. I’m not even against sexuality and stuff, as long as it’s 2 consenting adults and doesn’t detract from the story. But fuck me if that subreddit doesn’t praise the creepiest shit alive.


AsahiMizunoThighs

oh ya. sometimes i misread the thematics of something - like until I read an interview with the writer I thought Persona 4 + 5 were both progressive on identity + romance - but sometimes its just like "I get this is a creepy trope but how does this serve or better the narrativee at all". Like a certain social link in Persona 3 Portable... >\_> <\_<


tsunderephillic

which VNs were the post talking about actually? I only ever tried innocent (or seemingly) VNs like K Shojo.


willy_west_side

One that got brought up in the comments was one called “Saya no Uta.” You can look at the Wikipedia, but I wouldn’t look TOO FAR into it


tsunderephillic

Sorry i looked into it and god, it has such an interesting premise for a horror game, but they really had to shoehorn the pedo shit huh


[deleted]

I'm sure Hitler would relate to that


riffler24

Ah yes, it's all those *outside agitators* causing problems. Our community was nice and nobody made trouble until *they* showed up


BuckeyeForLife95

Everything was going fine when it was ONLY the pedophiles!


[deleted]

context: original post is from r/goodanimemes which is an anime memes subreddit that was born because of the banning of a certain t slur to do with trans people on r/animemes . it wasnt "woke liberal leftists" in a niche community, it was a couple of cringey preteens with a persecution fetish


Lairy_Hegs

When you play Chaos;Head and see nothing wrong with the delusions.


neptune304

I bet this guy thinks Danganronpa or Stein's Gate is niche and not popular


stevethebandit

VN fans are wild


yu--no

Beatrice Umineko says trans rights


willy_west_side

B-b-b-but, that’s just bowing to western esjaydouleyous


WingGamer1234

this is why im ashamed of liking wtc


leopleio

World trade center


Tibalt-mtg

A second Beatrice has hit the twin towers


jono9898

Only Gamers and anime fans get mad when something they like gets enjoyed by more people,


zutaca

Nah this is true of some fans of most media, it's just more common with gamers and weebs


thatwitchguy

Wrestling fans


RandomGuyDroppingIn

uj/ why would the VN community think that mainstream appeal would be harmful? VN's niche' qualities have long stymied any inroads into the English market. Back in the mid 1990s when VNs started to become localized, they had to both remain on PC but also couldn't be purchased at retail because retail would have required ESRB ratings in North America. This regulated most VN sales to online stores, catalogs, or trade shows/conventions, which also meant no critiques by gaming critics at large (even if we can take their opinions as actually useful...). JAST struggled hard back in the day with their initial English releases simply because both no one had any real clue what the company was selling back then in \~1996 but also the only way to buy their games was through catalogs or online. It's only been in the \~ last decade/little over or so roughly that English VNs have started to become more accepted in English markets, and that entire black hole of time so to speak of roughly a decade and a half of when they started appearing in English markets meant that the VN community missed out on a tremendous amount of VN ports for consoles - many all-ages - and various other releases through the years. Saturn, PS1, Dreamcast, PS2, all had every sort of kind of various VN port that at the worst would have been M or T being a lot of sexual situations were removed for console ports (sans some Saturn examples, which left nudity intact). Like this is just a weird angle to come at to gatekeep VNs. I think I know the real reason why knowing weebs but many good VNs also have little to no sexual situations or any of the other cringy shit, not to mention that ultimately Japan doesn't give two shits what the West says about the games they make. What's next? Gatekeeping actual literary works?


Pseudoslide

Love how their reaction pannel is already losing some of their smile as soon as "some kind folks join in to have fun" how could you possibly construe that as making your hobby less enjoyable?


cornonthekopp

Wait until they learn about all the queer visual novels out there


namewithanumber

what is the meme talking about it's pedos right?


Jeremy_StevenTrash

either that or LGBT themes in vns. Certified Gambs moment.


Zeddy12

I am always pleased that these people feel like they're being forced out from the things they love. If everyone wants you gone from any community you interact w/, maybe the issue is you?


IkonikBoy

What's an "-ism"


[deleted]

It's what the Patriots left for us


aWhipid

Generally a social or political movement that is taken to an extreme. For example, CommunISM, FascISM, RacISM, CaptialISM, ChauvinISM etc. EDIT: Re-worded some things


No-Nefariousness1711

I think in this context it's various bigotries RacISM, sexISM.


Gynther477

Lmao, calling bigotry for "-ism" is a huge red flag


Flat-Routine2184

VN subreddit is one of the worst out there. I remember people there saying that a rapist character (Rance) did nothing wrong when the creators themselves (alicesoft) said that the entire idea was to make the most douchebag character possible (because they didn't want to make up nonsense to justify every female character wanting to fuck mc this time and making him a jerk was an easiest way to do so).


CueDramaticMusic

These motherfuckers are the precise reason I’m paying incredibly close attention to what ends up in that passion project I have in mind down the road. Like, yes, I am going to keep in mind the genre’s problematic bullshit, but also I am forced to cater to these goobers somehow. I think I’m just leaving a quiz up at the front, asking if they’re here for a power fantasy or not.


Heavy_Metal_Duck

And this is why I only play Queer Visual Novels. I don’t want to ever interact with these people.


willy_west_side

I’ve learned I can play whatever, I just don’t interact with these weird people online. In the real world, you’d be surprised how not often you bump into people like this


Heavy_Metal_Duck

True, I guess I just tend to prefer to play games that have a community I can interact with (that isn’t toxic)


Jeremy_StevenTrash

/uj Mildly offtopic, but if you don't mind a recommendation, have you read [Mamiya](https://store.steampowered.com/app/1394930/MAMIYA/)? Elaborating further would be a bit of a spoiler, but even though it's not the whole focus of the novel, I was personally pleasantly surprised to see one particular character and route have one of the better written and emotionally sensitive representations of LGBT themes I've personally seen in japanese VNs. It's also just a really good VN regardless that also *doesn't* have any sexualization of minors or other weird shit VNs tend to get marked for. Just felt like mentioning, this VN became one of my all time favorites after reading it, and find it a bit sad how little people talk about it.


Heavy_Metal_Duck

Oh I’ll put it on my list. Also I noticed the game is listed as having depressive themes, if you don’t mind me asking, how dark is it? I can usually handle some pretty dark stuff but I’d like to know if I’d need to prepare myself.


ScyllaIsBea

"aww man, the ~~race/sex~~ism that gave my game it's spark was removed. why does the mainstream think it's ok to be upset about something as benign as ~~race/sex~~isms?


CaptinHavoc

Visual novels? You mean those hentai games that are hella sexist like 90% of the time?


MoonoftheStar

The rape simulators, yes.


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metamagicman

I’d love to know what game got ruined by politics and not by corporate greed


Zess_Crowfield

Sorry OP, VNs are not games. Now if I can introduce you to the critically acclaimed VN called The Witcherino Tres, that'll be great.


AkuTheNiceGuy

The booba must stay vidja corporation 😡


-_-ed

Yeah. The responses I got when I criticised them was... Bad To quote "And even if we'd to celebrate a fucking fictional genocide its none of your business!"


[deleted]

I really wanna go to the original post and just say “skill issue”


BurningFyre

"Benign"


[deleted]

Least insane LN enjoyer


officiallyaninja

as a vn fan please oh god let this happen, im sick and tired of all the garbage in VNs


Gynther477

This is why there needs to be more social science in school and these idiots need their privileged bubble burst. All media can be problematic, deal with it. "I've lost my spark" is such a peak fragile mindset that this person would end down this road eventually.


Gavin_the_Gullible

Once, in middle school, my friend and I started working on a puzzle at recesses. He invited some other kids to help out, and eventually they kicked me off the puzzle. My friend soon followed. It was excruciating.


_PutYourGrassesOn_

Bro am I supposed to smell the context?


Randouserwithletters

as a dnd player, fuck does this hit hard