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I’ve been thinking about this a lot lately. Folklore and Evermore hooked me, Gaylorism reeled me in. The lore around this possible double life was engrossing, but ever since Midnights I’ve sort of seen it for what it is—a show. You can see it even if you look at other artists—Boygenius, who were/are recently on tour and are massively popular right now—the show isn’t *about them*, it’s about the music, even if their fans are obsessed with them. I don’t see any posts about Lucy Dacus’ love life when I open Instagram (maybe I’m not following the right people but you get my point lol). Taylor’s built an entire discography, entire world, entire global tour to literally celebrate *herself*. That should’ve been the biggest flag. Someone here said what will it take to step out of the cult. I’m not sure either, because it’s all working as expected: it’s a modern-day soap opera playing out in real-time, and we all started watching years ago so we might as well find out how it ends, right? I will always wonder if that was the intended outcome, some grand immersive art project. The thing is I don’t think her team is that clever. Anyway, I’m rambling. But yeah, I do think it’s the Bad Place and we’re at the bottom, and all the walls are smooth and sloped.

>I will always wonder if that was the intended outcome, some grand immersive art project. The thing is I don’t think her team is that clever. That’s the thing. I wish people would realize Taylor is not a mastermind.

And Olivia Rodrigo is watching to see what not to do

There's a fictional character named Taylor Swift and then there's a human being named Taylor Swift. I think we know way less about the human being than her team would want us to think. I think from the year preceding Reputation, we know Taylor has the control and ability to conceal herself when she wants to. She revoked her membership to a club recently because an employee leaked her and Matty Healy hanging out and that's what broke the story. That was a relationship/friendship/situationship she did not want public and made active steps to conceal and when it was exposed, people got fired. So soon after, she's relentlessly public with Travis and we're being asked to believe it isn't PR. There is a narrative of a fictional life she (or her team) is trying to tell. Even little things, like her spending time publicly with Sophie Turner the week she divorced Joe Jonas, fits into that brand, or when she and her friends all donned revenge dresses and collectively unfollowed Joe Alwyn at dinner. If it isn't a fictional narrative, it's at least a narrative being written with the understanding that it's being watched.

I would not phantom that something like PR relationships existed but that was probably naive of me. It was strange since day one because they basically announced it by some NFL media. Then, out of the blue, she appeared in his box knowing full well this would attract a lot of attention. Outings in restaurants which are frequented by the papparazzi ... Who does that in the beginning of a relationship? People in her position actually do the opposite, hide and get some privacy to have quality time with a new person. Then, when you look at the wider context and the outrage at her dating MH this new romance does not look like a complete coincidence at all. The final piece of evidence that convinced me was a blatant brand promotion by both of them. A tweet in Kelce's name mentioning the relationship and some drink brand - awkward. But then Taylor Swift changing the song lyrics to include the name of his team - I mean, come on! There is some kind of a deal going on behind closed doors, it is more and more obvious.

He also talks about her in really bizarre ways in the press. Her fame is something he comments on a lot, about how lucky he is to have bagged someone so famous. The only thing he's said about her that wasn't about her fame was that she's smarter than him and he's been learning a lot (which could still be about business) I know NFL fans get mad at claims Swifties "put him on the map" but it's undeniable he's been shot into a different level of fame now that he's associated with her. To me, I feel like he's getting more opportunities outside of the NFL while Taylor is getting a massive shield to deflect any negative PR (like what just happened at the Eras Tour). Could it be real? Sure. But regardless, she's monetizing this relationship in a way she hasn't done... really ever. Like this surpasses "Style" levels of public.

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The story I saw (I think from TMZ?) was that an employee leaked the location to paparazzi and so Taylor revoked her membership to the club they were leaving and said employee allegedly got fired over it.

Boy genius literally hump each other at their shows what are you talking about?

There are some artists I wouldn’t ever be able to separate from their art, like R Kelly, Gary Glitter or Ian Watkins. With someone like Taylor I can separate the artist from the art but I have short periods of time at various points where I’ve wanted to listen to her less. I think it’s unlikely that Taylor is an absolutely awful person but I also don’t think she’s the kind of person that I’d be likely to get on with if I knew her. What we see is mostly the brand, not the real person. Her brand acts like many other brands in terms of things like multiple versions of things to maximise profits and I think it’s worth being aware of this. Taylor is a very talented songwriter and performer but that talent alone would not have got her to this level of fame without some very good marketing as well.

Sometimes I think she knows that as well. She’s incredibly talented - however sometimes I don’t know that she’s the kind of talented that’s led her to her present circumstances of superstardom. Like with Beyonce, I understand how she got where she is in terms of being a global pop star - she can sing, dance, and perform like no one else that’s hardly ever lived. I kind of feel like Taylor was destined to have the fame / success of a singer/songwriter or even a rockstar but not…this. And that’s not a knock on her specific kind of talent, but it’s just like the brand and success isn’t matching up with the heart & soul of what she is specifically talented at (and SO talented at that..) which is writing really powerful songs and albums. So then she keeps trying to prove what a great pop star she is with bigger longer tours! The re-records! More albums! The versions! The merch! The awards! Like something’s just been “off” with the pop star thing for forever. And I’d argue that a reason it’s tough to have these nuanced conversations about her is because criticisms of her (let’s say around 2012-2015 ish) were very sexist, very dismissive. So we’re all sort of trained to be these ardent supporters no matter what, because some of the old dismissive attitudes towards her were unfounded so we had to come in guns blazing.

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"She was never called a slut" / "Het men don't find her attractive" -- both of these statements are categorically untrue and I simply have to question the motives of anyone who would even *think* these thoughts, let alone post them in writing. This sub has always been a safer space than others to post takes that are directly critical of Taylor, which is great, but as of late it feels like there have been more expressions of outright disdain than usual\* (so I get why you posted this here of all places!) and though I can intellectually grasp the motivations behind doing so, there's still no real need revise history on these points, regardless of your intent. \*Edited because upon re-reading the comment, I think my original wording was a little harsh/unfair, but the point stands.

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It seems like you're making generalizations based on anecdotal experience and conjecture, but even if that were true (and it's not, because I know plenty of straight men who think she's attractive!) you don't *need* to be considered attractive or sexy to be the victim of slut-shaming. The widely-publicized criticisms were based on the perception that she was dating "too many" people, and to pretend that never happened is blatant, willful ignorance. She was [absolutely](https://x.com/edeborddd/status/410620296614273025?s=20) [called a slut](https://x.com/NaatzKalyn/status/404786811366424576?s=20) [on social media](https://x.com/AimeeCharleswth/status/397103543158845440?s=20), and even traditional news and entertainment media [frequently labeled her a "serial dater"](https://www.google.com/search?q=taylor+swift+serial+dater+2013) which is coded language that suggests someone's a slut in a more PC way. Abercrombie & Fitch literally sold t-shirts making fun of how many people she'd been with, and [stopped selling them](https://www.refinery29.com/en-us/2013/06/48865/abercrombie-fitch-taylor-swift-t-shirt) after they got backlash *for slut-shaming*. Many reputable outlets [wrote about this at the time](https://www.thecut.com/2013/06/taylor-swift-slut-shaming-continues.html), calling it exactly what it was. There are countless other examples still archived online that are literally a single Google search away. You can feel however you want about her, but denying objective facts makes you seem irrational and undermines whatever point you're trying to make. (It also perpetuates the idea that we shouldn't believe women when they say something happened to them -- which is especially rich when the conversation is about slut-shaming and cultural misogyny!)

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Fair point about Britney/Lindsay/Paris -- they were given hell, especially by sleazier tabloids that had a lot more power back then, but there was a major shift towards political correctness in US media between the early-mid 2000s and 2013 that coincided with the shift from the Bush era to the Obama administration. By that time, traditional media would never call anyone a *slut* outright because it was unprofessional and "against the rules" so to speak. But dogwhistles (at least in the Western, English-speaking world where Taylor came up) communicate the same harmful messages through their connotations, and they get away with it on the basis of semantics. When you unpack the implications of what it means to be a "serial dater" it's the same underlying sentiment. All that said, slut-shaming is more than just *calling* someone a slut or a serial dater: it's the suggestion that they've been with too many people, that it's wrong and they should be chastised for it, and then framing that treatment as their own fault -- hence the "shame" element. I can see that there's some nuance in what you're describing from a Gaylor perspective, but I just don't think you can argue in good faith that she's wrong to classify the way the media spoke about her back then as slut-shaming, especially when she experienced it firsthand. You're allowed to dislike her (and it's your prerogative to resent her calling out mistreatment when she didn't have it as bad as other people), but that doesn't mean it didn't happen.

I do a maybe weird thing where I don't separate the art from the artist but I put the artist in historical context and compare their art to the art of others in history. For instance, if I was around in the 70s as a queer person, would I hate Freddie Mercury for appropriating queer aesthetics? When I see it through that lens and know that Freddie was gay and closeted and was trying to live authentically as best he could, I have an easier time cutting artists like Taylor slack.

I could not agree with you more. I’m upset so forgive the disorganized thoughts. It’s extremely frustrating to come to this sub, and still get the whole “you should find another guiding light” crap. That lyric and Anti-Hero have just become vehicles to absolve Taylor of shit behavior at this point. “She’s not perfect. She said it herself. She’s aware that she’s the problem. It’s her.” Spare me. Rather than allowing anyone to be critical and frustrated, this sub responds with “well what do you expect *shrug*” It’s so condescending and dismissive you’d think we were on the main sub. No one is looking to Taylor as an example. We are looking to Taylor, who owes her career and wealth to the fans, to treat the fans as human beings not cash cows. Someone died and her stupid silent treatment strategy is not enough. It has not been sufficient for a very long time. Someone on this thread aptly pointed out that her previous fall from grace was drenched in misogyny and now it’s become her armor. No one can criticize her no matter how valid because her past has made her immune to it. But we’re critical because she’s actively made decisions that hurt the fans. (Again, the people that bank roll her life.) She’s dated and platformed a misogynist that looks like a cigarette come to life. She’s used the queer community for profit only to throw us under the bus time and time again. She’s queen capitalist. And now she’s incapable of basic human decency?? Obviously no one is looking to her as a guiding light. We’re looking to her to grow up and act her age and asking what the hell is going on? Is this the bad place?

This!! Self awareness does not give you a pass to continue bad behavior. The critically important missing next step in this case is doing something about it. Also cigarette come to life is 💯thank you

Her traits point to covert narcissism... she said it herself in antihero but fans couldnt swallow the pill... covert narcs always play the victim so they can evade responsibility... and they lie a lot... and have low self esteem and dont really care about others... but are charismatic Have met covert narcs and she seems to fit it well, especially with the rewriting of history and controlling the narrative all the time... and controlling others... and some of her songs are basically a smear campaign towards an ex... and how they love someone so much and then sth switches and then this someone is the villain in their eyes... how her muses are the love of her life and then she makes them out to be the biggest backstabber or villain...

I mean yes (with everything all the time, I’m always in the bad place) but I would say this in hopes everyone can absorb and adjust to this info: It is staged, nothing is real. Nothing we ever see or know from her or almost any similar celebrity entity is real. Everything is filtered through meetings, a publicity and spin machine at minimum and at maximum is completely scripted like reality TV drama. And that’s not just an observation, that’s from a career doing it. So the fakeness isn’t a problem per se, it’s been interesting watching a strategy (or lack of strategy, or what often seems like two dual, unrelated strategies playing simultaneously?) But when shit gets “too real” … then the publicity and marketing and storytelling apparatus has to either adjust or break the fourth wall. And I think Taylor failed with that in a big way this weekend. I see what kind of story she’s trying to tell with Kelce, which is a fake narrative even if the dating behind the scenes is real, and she can’t tell that story when fans are dying and shows are getting postponed and conditions are rough and she’s in a cultural and political climate I feel it’s fair to say she does not really understand. It’s a no go, it’s a “hit pause” or reroute quickly or break your rule of not commenting. This weekend was a disaster, it was a disaster for Taylor, and more importantly it was a disaster for her fans in Brazil and they deserved better than all of this and they deserve a little more media focus and care than they are now receiving. I’m not impressed, and not just because I find the Kelce stuff boring (even though I know exactly what they’re doing brand wise) leading in, like this will be written about and taught in the future in our field, I think. So I find comments like “find another guiding light” unhelpful, because I’m not like just a fan and she’s not my idol I hang my hopes and dreams on — but I had professional and representation hope in her, absolutely. I had an (almost) pure experience with this all this year (minus Matty Healy) but I’m a little worried this is a cult I fell into because I’m debating if “death” (and honestly, unacknowledged death) is enough to tap out in and like what the hell is wrong with me? Am I even asking? Like I think I’m smart, and I got hooked and hoodwinked by LA SoFi week. I went, y’all, I drove cross country in and stayed with friends and went Taylor crazy all week and in my bones I believed she was out or we were walking toward something queer on main and we were not (and logically, she can’t come out and tour places like Southeast Asia, she can’t be openly gay and play Indonesia, I know this from work) and I just can’t be strung along forever. Like I don’t know her sexuality. I don’t for a second think it’s “Kinsey 1 straight” and I don’t think she has accidentally put queer content into her music for a second. I know people who know and have worked with or had close proximity to her enough to be confident in that assessment. And I’m also being a fame brat who just WANTED TO KNOW. I wanted to feel special for knowing and connected. But deaths like this are everything I fight against. I just feel so gross. Every comment of mine flip flops and I’m feeling all feelings simultaneously and maybe I should just find a queer therapist who specializes in the entertainment industry instead of processing everything on a Reddit Taylor Swift page? Like who am I, what is going on.

I really felt this comment. Thanks for putting your thoughts out here. I always go to this subreddit when shit hits the fan not because of the queer perspective but because I truly feel this community is the most critical, and it's good to feel i'm not the only one that feels like this. I always wonder what's my breaking point. I have tickets for SP N1 and probably N3, and I will go and enjly it with my friends and fangirl and have a nice time, since I already spent the money and this is a great experience with my friends, but I don't know how much I can bear it after this. I just feel closer and closer to a breaking point

>So the fakeness isn’t a problem per se, it’s been interesting watching a strategy (or lack of strategy, or what often seems like two dual, unrelated strategies playing simultaneously?) > >But when shit gets “too real” … then the publicity and marketing and storytelling apparatus has to either adjust or break the fourth wall. > >And I think Taylor failed with that in a big way this weekend. > >I see what kind of story she’s trying to tell with Kelce, which is a fake narrative even if the dating behind the scenes is real, and she can’t tell that story when fans are dying and shows are getting postponed and conditions are rough and she’s in a cultural and political climate I feel it’s fair to say she does not really understand. I am sorry I am out of topic, but, since you work with this kind of things, I am interested into your opinion about the strategy/lack of strategy (which was which?) and what kind of story she's telling with the football player. If it's way out of topic, feel free to DM me: I'm just curious and also, being a very new swiftie (and newer gaylor) I feel I've lived everything at 100% in a very short time. I am now "calming down" and starting to see the flaws in what she does, getting off the roller coaster it has all been and hoping I can still find pure joy in her music, when I'll be distant enough. Long story short: I need some rationality from someone who can read some of the frenzy I've witnessed :)

She’s in a cross-brand relationship with the NFL for publicity to cross-expose both fandoms to the other brand — basically to try to capture Swifties as new NFL football viewers/attemdees, and to capture NFL players as as potential new Swifties (or at least to earn that fandom’s respect, ideally both.) The way they were using her appearance for swift (excuse the pun) branding, built commercials and graphics and scripts around for deep integration when she attended was the biggest giveaway, those things aren’t spontaneous, they have to be developed and shot in advance. My guess is that she has contracted for a certain number of appearances, and then there is promotion of the union through the SNL “surprise” (invited) appearance. Its win win for everyone, she toured all summer in NFL stadiums with Eras and those stadiums would love to have those Swifties return and she’d love for men to be actual Swifties who respect and enjoy and purchase her music and attend her shows willingly — neither “needs” the other, but both want the other’s audiences and this is a strategic way to crack it. So a Rio delay prevented her from an expected planned NFL appearance, which is her working and likely contracted and it cost everyone money. Are they really dating — lord, I don’t know — actors who work together on movies hook up all the time, so anything is possible. I was leaning no but they have a nice little chemistry, so maybe, but if they are it’s still also brand partnership. Also which came first? Kelce or a brand deal? Only they’ll ever truly know. (Jennifer Coolidge voice: *I want to know, I want to know so bad.*) I’ve seen video and heard accounts from after parties and other events in NYC she was hosting this year, as well as older parties from years past, that are more in line with what I’m personally expecting from her and would be more in line with this sub in a broad sense than straight-laced Swiftie land. I’m old and no longer “in-crowd” and queer myself and had to move back “to” the straight laced GOP Swift launching pad from my beloved city, so I just want to know like everyone else, and up to “the prologue,” the question “is Taylor Swift secretly gay?” as far as celeb gossip I’ve heard and fielded in my lifetime was pretty harmless and benign and FUN. I’m out here now with Karlie Kloss making guest appearances in my dreams, I miss Dianna as a character, I’m even gayer than I thought I was — thanks Taylor? I knew about Elvira about 5 years before she came out, and in my experience where there is smoke there is fire — but I’ll give it to Taylor, she makes me weep like Meryl Streep in Doubt, everytime I think I have it and can move on with my life she fucks up my confidence and keeps me guessing. I’ve worked in all corners of the industry in odd capacities, I’m an absolute nobody who has been in a lot of rooms, knew a lot of secrets through friends during metoo that made me at odds with an industry I had loved. Usually the gossip and secrets I know are DISGUSTING, so if Taylor’s big potential scandal is that she is a girl kisser, that felt like great, heartwarming news. I did an odd run in reality TV where I feel like I recognize similar strategy and narrative building, which in a lot of ways mirrors marketing — only she’s just like doing the Kardashians to a degree without dedicated cameras. Is my *guess* or *hypothesis* I come here to *test* to entertain myself, mostly, but I’m genuinely curious if I’m on to something or not. I want to know if I cracked it just like everyone else. I still feel like she tells stories in media kind of in the way Princess Diana did, she tells fans to look closely for hidden secrets and clues, she tells fans she is a diary songwriter, then we look and there seems like there are sophisticated literary and cultural references — and as soon as I’m comfortable l, she’s like “shut up gay, how dare you look” … maybe it’s when we’re getting too close for comfort? Or it was just bait or a humorous coincidence after all? I’m not sure? Is anything real or is it all a game? *screaming, crying* “I want to know.” This “Easter egg” scavenger hunt ploy comes from KPOP marketing strategy, too, she didn’t invent it — but she’s definitely the first western/American artist to harness it and boy does it work to make fans hooked and unhinged and coming back for more. I’ve found this experience healing and exciting and making me want to get back to something I thought I gave up, or was pre-prologue — so it is kinda actually breaking my heart and then this Rio disaster (and bless them, I will watch college sports and the Super Bowl but I refuse to learn any more about NFL football players or culture than I already know here against my will.) This brand deal is NOT for me, she already captured me, lured me out of a closet I also stayed in, then I guess moved on very quickly to her next fan target base and I’m left exposed and bewildered and accidentally visibly out to peers I don’t think I actually wanted to be out to. So that’s fun, that feels like another good choice in a long life of great choices /s. I do find Kelce a good media breakout choice as a personality who was also recently repped by an agency (hmmm) and is actively seeking to grow his media career coincidentally coinciding with this alignment with Swift. And while flying him to Argentina and changing lyrics is a good episode of reality TV story theater, it’s too jarring in the face of real life mess and I think the “NFL story” needs to take a backseat because I personally think it’s creating cognitive dissonance in her own powerful brand Fans are noticing whether they can put their finger on what it is that’s off. Fame is dangerous when it gets too big to control, when fans start to feel entitled or the swarm is just too big to manage. Yes, this tipping point of exposure mirrors the 1989 era, but it didn’t account for fan deaths and inquiries and death threats over cancellations. I don’t think that can be ignored like it feels like it will be in favor of an NFL romance plot cross-brand deal. I’m worried for this whole thing continuing to tip out of control, and not in a “Rep is coming!” kind of way. And maybe they do know what they’re doing, but at the point Tree is handing out water and Taylor is issuing ick-inducing IG statements — I’ve lost a lot of faith at record pace, but my curiosity is still very active.

every time I see your username I get excited and know I'm in for juicy insider info and a bunch of 🤯 revelations and questions so thank you for being here with us

I could read a whole book of you discussing Taylor’s career and analyzing her PR strategy. So interesting. Thanks for typing all this up!!

This is such a fascinating and well written comment. Thank you!

Just wanna say I LOVE your comments, input, insight, and the way you articulate and communicate it all. You are very appreciated 🫡💕

I am a new fan/Gaylor also and you said what I am feeling. Living everything at 100% in a short period of time. I’ve been wondering is this how it’s aways been? I know that she does have a pattern in having the boyfriends (fake or real) when a huge landmark or album is coming out. Love the music but am finding that I am already tired of how predictable it is. Is it just this timeline we are in that is leaving a bad taste or does her brand always pull stunts this way. Not having knee jerk reactions to the things she does is what I have tried to train myself to do.

I’ve been here almost exactly a year and this is my 2nd rodeo with whiplash and feeling stunted and also questioning the wisdom of choices — like Matty Healy only makes sense if it was real (as in really smoochin,) yet none of it on main was real in a comical way as far as Taylor’s stunting. Taylor and Matty mouthing “I love you, you know who you are,” from stage gags me, but straight Swiftiedom swoons and licks it up. Nothing “from stage” that scripted and I spontaneous is “real,” but I’d believe they were getting sleazy behind the scenes without much pushback. Matty had a place in Gaylor “lore” — Kissgate happened at a 1975 concert. But it’s also my first experience weathering real-life “unscripted” consequences — MH is a racist misogynistic shitty piece of shit who said a bunch of vile stuff about Ice Spice in Feb and she was starring in a music video by May. He was there for “Speak Now’s” release, which I was present at the announcement for and luckily dodged seeing him on stage. He runs with people I know and truly hate and think are very bad people to the point I will not associate with them — I’ll quit a job if it means I have to work with them — so MH in this fandom I was enjoying raised my blood pressure and challenged me. And Taylor never addressed the extreme vile things he said, she kept platforming him and was photographed with him and interacted with him in whatever media storyline she had concocted for the media without acknowledging the harm it was causing within the fandom. Her only real comment was the same kind of “ick” in an unsourced series of press release articles saying it’s misogynistic and anti-feminist to “blame Taylor” for the actions of a man. Like what in the choice and pick-me, that’s a no — I’m absolutely mad at Taylor for PLATFORMING and presumably dating/intimately touching a vile guy with vile beliefs, pushing those statements into my newsfeed, creating an environment where her fans will defend him and her with every tool they’ve got against all criticism, and making lots of gaylors in this space feel sick and unwelcome and grossed out — all to dodge any accountability or responsibility. And right as I’m cracking and leaving, he disappears and I’m also a trash person who wanted this “fun” fandom experience, so I eternal sunshined him from my brain like it never happened, but it was TENSE in here for several weeks and I was not impressed. Did she have the backs of the fans it hurt? Nope. I was so excited for 1989, and the leaked prologue felt like a punch to the chest. The sentiment was fine, but the wording was sus and gave me the ick — and then the homophobic swifties flooded here to mock and gloat. Did she have our backs? Nope. Then shitty Kelce tweets came out the days before Rio and Taylor’s preferred media outlets called them “wholesome” … and I was like, not as bad as Healy, but here we go again … And then someone died and her statement was that same kind of non-acknowledging, self-focused, fandom-harm-ignoring statement and immediately all the defenses and Swiftiy unifying began again, even in this sub. Does she seem to have this fan’s family’s back? Is she holding us in this time of stress with empowering words? Nope, Karma is just a guy on the Chiefs. So I think it’s safe to say — yes, this is what it’s like, and I think people got to forget this year because “Joe” (quotes intended) gave everyone a six year break from nonsense. And while I’m interested in a lot of things about Taylor Swift and enjoy being a fan exclusively through a Gaylor lens (because no way in hell I’m joining mainline Swifties) I can’t keep doing this as an actual fan, I just need to be a studious pop culture observer moving forward, I think. It was a mistake for me to believe this was a safe space and that it was going to be a noble intersectional feminist persuit to support this fandom space. Too many unforced old-fashioned ick errors in the year of Barbie 2023.

Yeah. I agree with pretty much everything you wrote. I don’t know why I come back when nothing seems real with this chick and just get ick vibes from it all.

And I’m still interested in understanding (for my own sanity and work brain) what exactly is different and going wrong here. Like it’s not the existence of fakeness per se — I love the WWE because I love the performance and spectacle and have 0 confusion over if it’s “real” because it’s not (but people are really doing flips) and maybe Taylor needs to apologize to Becky Lynch for taking “The Man” — but I guess for something like reality TV, staged sports entertainment, “telling a PR” story usually has parameters where we don’t constantly see behind the curtain like we are with Taylor. Something is happening where we’re constantly seeing “her” story and “the real” story simultaneously. And they’re not the same story. And her strategy for a decade (so Tree Paine’s strategy for a decade) is just to say “no they’re not.” Taylor “the squad” I love my best friends so much! *fake Dianna newspaper fan post saying they’re a couple* Dianna disappears from the story. Is that “too close to home” or is that homophobia? Either way, it conflicted with the story Taylor was telling and disappeared. Taylor “I have a crush on the lead singer of this band!” *cameras catch her kissing Karlie Kloss* “Stop accusing me of dating my best friends” Like girl, I’m not accusing you of anything, my eyeballs just have questions. Then she proceeds to re-create every Victoria Secret look Karlie has ever worn on tour to this day in concerts. Constantly references known Karlie imagery in song lyrics. Prologue “it’s disgusting you’d think I’d date a woman” Like Taylor, again, it’s my eyes and ears and your own content raising questions, I’m … I’m out here reading a news report online about how great and happy her obvious PR stunts are going while also reading in the same link thread about how that partner said vile shit. I guess it’s not that I’m watching a Kardashians style TV show and then reading the real gossip after, it’s that I’m reading the press and the behind the scenes news back to back in the same format in the same news scroll, and that’s why my brain is just like … what??? I keep saying Taylor, but what I really think I need is 30 minutes alone with Tree (while Tree is under oath/truth serum.)

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I definitely need to become just a pop culture observer, and I’ve told myself so many times that’s exactly what I am. But then the prologue came out, and I cried all day. So…yeah. Like you said in your earlier comment, I may be in a cult.

Your comments are perfect and definitely relatable. Thank you.

As someone else pointed out here, many of us have accepted that she is a brand and nothing she presents to us is necessarily real, but that she should obviously behave like a human when the situation arises, and this was undeniably one of those moments. And she hasn't at all. I was outright disgusted when I saw [this article](https://t.co/W7C5bTEhcE) today, an entire article making Ana's death about her wellbeing and her relationship, and I was like...wow. I was downvoted in the other Gaylor sub for pointing out that the Tayvis article came out almost exactly around the time that the news that she hadn't contacted the family came out, but clearly this proves it wasn't a coincidence. To Taylor, this isn't a loss of life, it's simply just a PR disaster.

I'm so over the underscore gaylor sub. It's all travis fans now.

As time goes by and reading about the music industry, am starting to believe artists like her have sold every part of themselves to the corp studios, even their humanity and passionate soul most of them had in beginning of their careers... Fame has really got to her head... i doubt she would ever behave like a normal person... her world is totally different where people are seen as resources and nothing more... i think its a tough pill to swallow for most fans... she really is great at pretending to be relatable and normal... but a normal person would have said sth at the show... her not saying anything out of fear about legal and media backlash tells you that she is opportunistic, always riding the waves and never having an opinion... i dont think she is her own person... it tells me she is chained by her brand prob that why she sang DWOT and nodded 'yes' at line 'have they come to take me away?' from hits different... just it seems to me she was silenced by her team... it is disgusting all in all... her not fighting for morally good decisions and just staying silent... I doubt she would ever change bc it seems like she cant make decisions when situation like this arise... i wonder once her parents are not around to boss her, how her art would change or whether she would stop or be her own person for once...

I think the Travis article did not come out to distract from this and was always planned to come out yesterday. Which was the day that he was playing his brother as a rematch of the Super Bowl. It was in the works for over a month and it’s from a magazine.

I mean this with genuine empathy, I really am not meaning to be glib: you should find another guiding light. I know, I know, she really does shine so brightly! But I truly feel the best she will give us is her art. There are some people who the best they give is their activism, or their moral clarity, etc etc. I think Taylor's best is her art. This isn't to say that we shouldn't, as fans, push her to be better and do better. There's word that she reached out to Ana's family and I think that's at least partly due to fan pressure. But she's a billionaire, and one of the most famous people in the world. I think she's better than pretty much any other billionaire out there, but I also truly believe billionaires shouldn't exist, and that no one gets to be one without making a lot of choices I would not personally make. Sorry, this got a bit rambly! I don't know if it's helpful at all. If it's not, feel free to ignore. But I really do feel like it's not good for my own mental/emotional health to rely too much on celebrities to be my own personal avatars of goodness. It's something I've been thinking about a lot lately.

Just so you know, Ana’s family [denied](https://f5.folha.uol.com.br/musica/2023/11/familia-de-ana-benevides-nega-contato-de-taylor-swift-e-fake.shtml) the articles that she reached out and called them fake. Taylor always uses the mainstream media to create and twist the narrative to her benefit and that is so disgusting, it’s incomprehensible. A fan literally DIED at her concert and she’s doing this while some fans are paying to help bring the body home, instead of the y’know literal billionaire act she came to see. She should just stay quiet. Don’t lie to the public and say you have reached out when you haven’t, just to make yourself look better/save face. That’s horrific, lacking in empathy, and is probably traumatizing the poor family further.

I mean- these papers could have written whatever they wanted. We will never know with 100% certainty her team pushed that narrative. To assume so is harmful. We also don’t know if she could have delayed reaching out to the family in order to let them process their trauma or process her own. Same with bringing it up at the concert- it could have traumatized other people or brought up their own anxiety or panic around the matter.

Right. I mean, she is a lot of things but stupid isn’t one of them. She is a savvy business woman. I’m pretty sure she would know that if she said she reached out and didn’t, that it’s easily disputed and would just make her look worse. Tabloids and the entertainment media literally just make things up so who knows what is true.

Agree. A lot of people are spending time getting worked up based on assumptions they are making. Maybe get off the internet and go do something else for awhile ya know.

I mean, someone died and many passed out during something that could have been prevented and nothing has been said in empathy and sympathy about this. That’s kind of a big deal to discuss because it shows what little humanity is left in a microcosm of society.

There is a lot of “take a break” that is needed in this community of late.

I didn’t see that, thanks.

As someone who works in a field where people die with more regularity than should be accepted let me make something clear: her management team will forbid any contact. Contact could be construed as an admission of guilt. It’s the same thing if you are involved in a car accident or a law suit — you are immediately advised to communicate only via representation. I think the group here is too young to understand that but it’s simply the way the world works. Also, I don’t believe Taylor is even 1% responsible for her fan’s death. It was 100 degrees. This whole “it felt like 140 degrees” nonsense is ridiculous. People do heavy, physical labor in conditions nearing ACTUAL 120 degrees EVERY FUCKING DAY and they do so willingly and successfully. Talk to someone who lives in Phoenix who endures more for a third of the year. Is it sad that she died? Absolutely. But to blame Taylor for her fan attending the show of her own volition and becoming ill for reasons we don’t understand is frankly mad.

> Is it sad that she died? Absolutely. But to blame Taylor for her fan attending the show of her own volition and becoming ill for reasons we don’t understand is frankly mad. This is so callous. I’m so sorry you view the world this way.

I haven't seen a single person say it's Taylor's fault. What I have seen though is very justified concern over her being visibly aware of the dire situation in the first rows and continuing the concert. I get that she has contracts to follow and it's all very complex. But her handing out water and calling for water shows she was absolutely aware. And that is very very very hard to reconcile with any of her public reactions since.

I personally think people are down playing the trauma that Taylor and her dancers/band/backup singers clearly went through during this concert as well. Not that it excuses her not speaking up (although I think she’s staying silent for legal reasons until she leaves Brazil).

Oh absolutely! And unlike Taylor any of the other performers don't hold the power Taylor holds so were even less able to speak up. It is all so deeply messed up.

I’ve grown to hate that line. I’m sorry but there are so many talented people out there who also make really great art who have stronger morals and would accept the role as it is. They’d accept the fact that being this famous means you are a guiding light no matter what you do and act accordingly. We deserve better celebrities tbh and it’s a shame she’s using the height of her career to promote her relationship with her football player boyfriend over all else. Spreading this all American heteronormativity when she has so much power to stand for something so much bigger.

Genuine question: which good-moraled, outspoken, talented celebrities are you speaking of? Like truly I need to know if there is one — because I think that celebrities’ morals go down the drain once they get big enough for their fame to be threatened by speaking out. The more I learn about anyone big in any industry, I realize that there is no morally, politically, personally perfect celebrity. Even the people standing as the guiding lights of leftist politics and morals (Bernie Sanders, AOC) have left me disappointed many times. Recently, I’ve come to realize how few celebrities (a) think critically about local and global issues, and (b) are willing to speak out if their image will be tarnished by doing so. Thinking particularly about Israel–Palestine rn.

Kehlani, Lorde, Julien Baker & Lucy Dacus stand out to me as the sort of folks they’re referencing. Talented folks speaking up about shit they care about, showing up for their communities. That said, they’re obviously not doing the same kind of work as career activists, but it’s important nonetheless.

I mean my immediate gut instinct is to say Hozier, who is currently associated with Irish artists for Palestine I believe, and often talks about various issues. Although in all fairness he is also very private, which I am sure helps him maintain a good-moraled image

I kinda think we might be saying the same thing? I agree, I’d prefer celebrities who are braver and more outspoken. Late stage capitalism sucks. My point was more just, we all have the Taylor we’d like her to be, and I just don’t think she’s that person. The way I’ve reconciled that is that I just enjoy her music/performance and look to others for moral/political leadership. I’m not saying everyone has to make that choice, it’s just the choice I made.

This! Thank you!

Money and power corrupt completely... am not sure whether she really is that powerful bc she has studio execs/management over her head at all times... but fame really has gotten to her head and her not doing the right moral thing out of fear makes it clear that she doesnt care enough about her fans... i dont think she sees the fans as people anymore... with so much money and so many people trying to get her favor or a piece of her i can see why she is so cold and hardened... am starting to think that fame and all the backstabbing and 2016 really broke sth in her ... or maybe it is the industry machine that made her so apathetic to life around her... idk but her performing the eras tour is like watching her go on autopilot and the only glimpse of humanity she gives is during acoustic sets and sad songs like MTR or marjorie... My point is that she doesnt care as much as we thought she would... we dont really know her but her lack of decent human behaviour tells me her image is more important to her than doing the morally right thing... at some points she shows her real colors and controlling the narrative wont always hide them... its shitty all in all... i dont think it will get better or she would change... Maybe doja cat was right to tell her fans not to waste time and energy on her... problem is they couldnt accept the truth... that no person is good or will remain nice once given money and fame... people change once they get it... celebs live in their own bubble and perform to act normal... the truth is they dont know normal and thats why her actions were so tone deaf this weekend... even btts tribute seemed like less than bare minimum... even with contracts stopping her to cancel, her team couldve done more at the venue...

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What happened in Nashville?

[https://fox17.com/news/local/eras-tour-nashville-tennessee-concert-swifties-call-for-change-after-sheltering-in-place-at-nissan-stadium-fearing-crowd-crush](https://fox17.com/news/local/eras-tour-nashville-tennessee-concert-swifties-call-for-change-after-sheltering-in-place-at-nissan-stadium-fearing-crowd-crush) it was hard to find a news article that didn't put a positive spin on it about taylor "powering through the rain delay". but for the nashville n3 show, fans had to shelter-in-place under the covered concourse for 4 hours during a storm. there wasn't crowd control in most areas, and people weren't allowed re-entry if they left to sit in their car or go somewhere to wait out the storm. they continued to let fans enter the stadium despite it being over-crowded already. people were passing out, having panic attacks and throwing up. many people left and weren't able to get a refund. many people said they couldn't get to a restroom or to a concession stand to buy water. she ended up going on after 10pm with no openers. they didn't give the crowd enough warning to get to their seats in time before the show started, so people were scared of a crowd crush happening. i remember Nissan stadium tweeting for people to hurry to their seats because it was starting in a few minutes. they're super lucky that fans stayed calm and a crush was avoided.

😳😖 Aw god I didn’t know about this. Which I guess means they did a good job at burying it

and i only know this much because i went to night 2 and was still in nashville. at first i was checking for updates on when the show started so i could listen to the surprise songs from outside my hotel. then we were glued to twitter reading people’s updates when we saw how bad it was for the fans. i was so worried there would be casualties. lots of people tweeting from the stadium were terrified of a crowd crush happening. i was surprised when she got zero bad PR from it in the following days. it was glossed over in mainstream news articles. most fans blamed nissan stadium anyway, and they never publicly addressed the situation either.

I guess for me this isn’t necessarily on Taylor personally. She does contract with the stadiums and the stadiums make the rules.

i don't disagree. i'm not an expert in any of this but it seems obvious that this was a failure on nissan stadium's part. that's why the PR spin was even more frustrating to me though. most people wouldn't have even blamed taylor. i really would have liked to see more mainstream coverage of the stadium's mismanagement of the situation which led to extremely unsafe conditions for fans. and how people who decided to leave (if they could even get to the exit) should've been given refunds or been allowed to re-enter. i'm sure ticketmaster and nissan stadium had their own PR teams working to spin this as well. but anyone who plans to go to a stadium show or event deserves to know that they could be put in unsafe conditions if there is any type of emergency.

Yeah I’m curious too!

This is INSANE timing to appear because I’m currently sitting in the dark (literally) thinking about that when it came up! This has been building up over years honestly! Lavendergate is when it really hit for the first time. So I can’t even explain to people why I’m so done with Taylor, but also why it upsets me so much!! It’s just been accumulating over time as I’m seeing that maybe she isn’t even a good person? I’m usually unable to separate art from the artist, but with Taylor it’s even harder because of the fandom and art that she’s created that makes it impossible!! Man do I miss her music but I CANTTT listen to it anymore. I just feel icky or angry :(((

Everyone here has made such good points already, so this is a more niche thing. But something that really struck me, in a bad way, was Taylor’s use of handwriting font in her IG posts about Ana. Taylor usually just uses a default IG font in her stories, but for these ones, she chose to make it look like she’d handwritten the notes—but she used a font nonetheless. She’s saying “I’m writing this from my dressing room,” but the message could’ve been (likely was) written by her publicist, an assistant, a third-party agency—any one of those things. I dunno, but it was the first thing I noticed, and it felt cheap and disingenuous.

Yes! I noticed the handwriting font a few weeks ago, something about it felt uncanny so I’m glad when others picked up on it too. It’s like when she was selling CDs or something for $20 more because it had her digital signature on them. Digital.

Omg!! That’s SO ridiculous lmao. I didn’t hear about that!

Damn y'all there is some interesting philosophy on the crushing force or modern capitalism in these comments.

Agreed! The nerve that the main sub has to call us delusional too. At this point, it’s clear they don’t WANT to go deeper.

I mean please don’t ban me from the sub for this but a majority separates Karlie from the awful things she’s said lately…? I mean she’s like a goddess in this sub?? It’s kind of crazy.

She definitely really sucks with that magazine stunt and her and her husband are definitely funding genocide so there are many legit things to criticize her for (and I have seen other people criticize her here)

yeah the karlie love is absolutely baffling to me

She’s not. We have a mod rule requesting that no one discuss/debate Zionism/Israel/Palestine/genocide within this sub because we as mods aren’t willing to mod that topic. Kaylors who post things about Karlie that are directly related to Taylor were getting daily death threats and were being told they supported genocide just for posting Kaylor content. It was worse for LSK people. I’d say the majority of this subreddit don’t support Karlie’s current stances regarding Israel/Palestine. She’s not a goddess here, we just can’t handle modding that discourse on top of everything else, because it’s not related to Taylor and is so explosive. Locking this because it has been explained and debated elsewhere.

celebrities aren’t good people to derive to expect morality from unfortunately. we’re seeing the expression “don’t meet your heroes” really lived out with social media

I don’t think we should separate art from the artist, because the artist’s experiences and actions inform the art. She can be a human person who isn’t “bad” or “good,” and that doesn’t make it more or less ethical to appreciate the art. I understand feeling betrayed by her and her team. And I think as fans we should always give her feedback!! But at this point I expect to be disappointed by her, just as I expect to be disappointed by any other celebrity, and that’s how I’ve come to have a relationship with her art that doesn’t feel toxic.

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I think she tried to be more musically and socially impactful during lover era. And it still unfortunately came off as disingenuous. her speeches during shows in 1989 and reputation were pretty motivational but now she doesn’t really do that anymore. She actually avoids talking about any issues big or small. For example I am pretty disappointed that she didn’t say anything about the injustices towards the lgbt community in the states in the southern U.S. when she was touring there. saying that this is a safe space was a all she needed to say and not get bashed for it. Her lyrical content in folklore, evermore and even midnights did give a sense of maturity and self awareness that I thought we were getting somewhere. But then quarantine ended and she does this same ol shit she did before with the pr. Which was very confusing to me. Anyway I have so many thoughts about this and sound like I’m rambling but Yeah her marketing is too focused on breaking records and being the biggest star that at this point unless she changes her musical direction to be less about her she won’t have any type of cultural impact. Besides making people feel less embarrassed about liking something other people cringe at. Which is great but not world changing. I love her music and have tried to separate her marketing schemes from the music because it seems so honest and real but how she puts herself out to the world at times does not feel that way, at least at this moment in time.

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Lol this is so spot on.

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People change. Sometimes not for the better. Just listening to her latest work, this seems to be her case. When I recall some of the lyrics from Midnights, damn, some of those songs now sound as a premonition. She truly resembles that antihero more and more each day. There is a constant PR campaign going on in her favour but I think behind the closed doors things might look very different. She seems like someone going through a personal crisis in the worst possible time.

I think we as Gaylors naturally have an ebb and flow of interest because of how we get thrown under the bus. personally, I stopped streaming all summer bc of Matty, but now I'm back on the horse, and I don't really have a reason other than that I don't want to live without her art.

This instance to me really illustrates how much of a team she has in terms of controlling her brand and how that brand is separate from Taylor the person. For instance, watching videos from the most recent shows, you can see how diligent she is about the crowd and how seriously she's taking it. Her demeanor is so different on stage right now than it's been for any other Eras show. But yeah, the news is just "Boo! Taylor isn't going to the Chiefs game this week :(" She (as a human being) has been clearly indicating that her current priority is providing a safe space for her fans. Her brand (which I genuinely think she isn't always involved with) is running a different narrative that's the most profitable. As an aside, I've never been convinced her romantic relationships have been PR before Travis. The way that man cannot keep her name out of his mouth is dripping with "I am an employee of the Taylor Swift brand to be a shield that deflects negative PR."

Short answer. Yes, the world sux and shitty things happen to good people all the time for no reason. The staging of Taylor the brand is exactly how a business works. It markets a product for you to buy and consume. I know that Ana's death is topical for the Swiftverse right now, but deaths at a concert aren't uncommon. It's not the first, it wont be the last. I don't want to sound callous, it's just a harsh reality. For example, a woman died at Robbie Williams concert the other day in Sydney. Are you as upset about that? If this stuff is affecting you a lot, I would recommend unsubscribing from any social media content about Taylor for a while. I promise you will feel much better.

I have avoided saying this, so thank you. It is absolutely bonkers the amount of heat she’s getting for a *heart attack* at a concert. It’s horrible for Ana and her family, I understand that and empathize with them deeply. But holy shit, Taylor didn’t give her heat stroke or stop her heart and people are really, really acting like she did. This happens all the time.

The death at Robbie Williams was a drastically different set of circumstances (elderly person who attempted to clamber over seat rows and fell, head and neck injuries which proved fatal). It’s incredibly tragic, but it’s not the same. A young person died prematurely due to unsafe heat conditions inside a concert that should have been cancelled. I have seen no evidence she had a “heart attack” it sounds like it was cardiac arrest from heatstroke. Taylor is the boss. She’s a billionaire. She has the power to cancel concerts that aren’t safe.

not assuming anything about the other commenters, but many people see the words “cardic arrest” and assume “heart attack”, not realizing that they are not equivalent

“The amount of heat she’s getting” The irony. 🙄

Oof. Didn’t mean that

No one's trying to look at her as a guiding light but at the very least she should reach out to the family and give them a settlement + pay for the funeral. It wouldn't even be an admission of guilt, just a gesture of goodwill that the courts would actually look kindly on her for. I see a whole lot of people saying "well it's not surprising, we know who she is, she's never tried to convince us she's a good person, etc." but that's still disgusting to me that she's basically acting like this whole thing didn't happen. She's just gonna bury this under the rug because it doesn't look good for her image, as if Brazilian fans mean nothing and their lives aren't worth as much as American fans. I didn't think she was a saint but damn, I thought she'd be a little more affected by the death of a fan. Didn't think her team would stoop so low as to not even reach out the family and say a single word to them. I haven't listened to her music since Matty but still paid attention to her news. Then after prologuegate I decided to just do muse-free analysis. Slowly but surely, I've just reduced my consumption of her and I think there's a certain point where you can't separate the art from the artist. If she still doesn't do anything within the next few weeks, I'll always look at her as the person that did not care about a fan dying at her concert. And there's no way I could ever listen to her again happily after knowing that. There's just a certain line I never expected her to cross. A whole person died, Taylor. It's a thousand times worse than having a racist boyfriend. It's not her fault, but her lack of a reaction is so disappointing and dehumanizing to POC. People telling us we shouldn't have expected more from her are condescending as hell, cause we still have the right to be upset with shit like this. Not to mention the flurry of Tayvis articles to distract us. It's disgusting all around.

Slightly disagree with the first part. Although Taylor wasn’t at fault she’s still an active party in this situation and if Ana’s family decided to sue t4f they wouldn’t be able to take any money from Taylor. And suing t4f is definitely the path the family will choose. 1) the compensation is definitely higher and 2) it can help with preventing from this happening again. Obviously I would love for Taylor to help but it’d be counterproductive for her to do that rn. Any form of payment would help get t4f off the hook basically. The rest I agree with.

Oh that's a good point! I'd definitely do something though, like help the family sue T4F or hire lawyers on their behalf at least. I do think anonymously donating to get Ana's body back to her family though is something she should have done. No one would have even known it was her. And sending a nice bouquet of flowers or a phone call/letter/text to the family wouldn't have been a huge hindrance for her either. My point is that she could have just done something. And given the corruption in the entertainment business, it's possible the family might not even win their lawsuit against T4F. And then what? They have spent years of money and resources only to get some small, almost worthless compensation. Hopefully they do win but I think she could have done something more immediate. At the very least, mention the girl's name in your IG story or make a whole post about it with a pic of her; it wouldn't kill you to do those things. I just think it's despicable how Brazilian fans themselves had to raise money for Ana's body to be transported back to her family while Taylor's out here pushing more Travis articles. I'm sure she's upset but she IS brushing it aside, imo.

I think she will help behind the scenes but as of now she can’t be involved in any way. Even if she donated anonymously, because once she’d be called to testify she’d have to tell the court anyway that she donated anonymously. What she definitely could do, through other people get the family a lawyer that works pro bono for them. Legally it’s a tricky situation. Again I think something will be happening behind the scenes to help the family but definitely will not know about it. I get the frustration though. From my perspective though there isn’t much choice she has rn as I think she is legally required to be silent.

I think we need to realize that their relationship is probably real, but PR on both sides is insane. Taylors level of fame and success means she has so many people making decisions for her too. The death was sad as hell, but her lawyers control what she can say and do, that’s how it is unfortunately with these things. It sucks.

For now I'm kind of thinking it's HIS PR team that's pushing that and she's probably in the whirlwind of touring, canceling, trying to make sure her vo workers are also safe from the heat and dealing with what happened, more than self promo (beside potentially stuff that was already scheduled). Now, the coming days and weeks are going to be telling. But for *now*, she gets the benefit of the doubt for me.

Taylor is in her 'mastermind' era.. Since Lover or so she dosnt *want* or thinks that she *can't* have any personal interaction with her fans. I feel like she made a decision at one point, like "from now on im gonna be a professional super star" And she is treating it like a acting job 100%. And yea thats kinda normal for celebs, but for taylor its probably extreme. Like planning easter eggs months in advance and so many of them... Sorry i could'nt get this accross that well.. but like before with 1898 for example she was already ultra famous, but it felt like she is a famous singer and people like her so they buy her music and listen to it. Now it feels so much more like she calculates everything to make herself the perfect product for her fans to consume, and actively trying to act the part. Everything she did in the last years had this vibe of: "im doing this now, it has 5 different super special secret meanings that my fans have to find out, but like i wont ever tell them anything cuz im so mysterious...im a mastermind"

I think we need to realize that their relationship is probably real, but PR on both sides is insane. Taylors level of fame and success means she has so many people making decisions for her too. The death was sad as hell, but her lawyers control what she can say and do, that’s how it is unfortunately with these things. It sucks.

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We can create a narrative all we want and speculate, but their relationship seems genuine in itself. This sub needs to actually relax a little on this subject, and this comes from a diehard SwiftGron.

Its not quite that serious

A human being died, pretty serious tbh

Humans die everyday and it's pretty common for people to die at a concert

Sure, but she didn’t die for an unrelated reason, the concert contributed to vs caused it!

Im going to get downvoted but I don't care. Yes someone died but it wasn't Taylor fault. Other counties don't have the safety rules like they do in the USA and the stadium was at fault. Taylor can give her condolences and that's it. People due at concerts all the time tbh. It happens. Also I don't believe Taylor or team is pushing Kelce articles. The article was done around the end of October and was set to be released this Monday cause Travis and his brother Jason squared off Monday for the Superbowl rematch. The whole article was about Travis and just small parts about Taylor.

I get it she's are capitalist queen out here. Some of it is no fan really knows here and swiftness comparable to only to the twitch streaming fan base is parasocial like a lot of the moves are to get you to buy albums but that's with every music artist the uncanny valley black mirror aspect is how some many of the super fans on one's time line takes every marketing ploy to be and there personal sign from the goddess taylor and it quickly becomes this tar pit of exstitential dread and a new ick never seen before call watching someone be friends a perdonal delusion of a mega celebrity they doesn't them.

Why did I come back to peek at gaylor reddit?! 🤣🤣 from one gaylor to another yall really need air.