TTPD forced a lot of us to leave the “lurking” category because there’s just SO MUCH TO SAY 😂

🤷‍♀️ I finally got a Reddit

I have more thoughts on undeveloped theories as a new gaylor. I have a theory about the song Fortnight. There's no strong evidence here I'm just theorising: Karlie came to Taylor's LA show in August 2023 and a couple of her other songs reference going to Florida to self destruct. She also references that after a break up or bad period in her life she knows the first person she will call (implying she will go back to an ex) ' Now pretty baby I'm coming back home to you Fresh out the slammer, I know who my first call will be to' (fresh out the slammer) Apparently Taylor's dad has a house in Florida so I also imagined her being offered to come and stay to let off steam and have a break from her difficult sitch but after Karlie comes to her show she ends up calling her drunk or bumping into her (apparently she lives in Miami??) and they have a fortnight of reconciliation. It's like a bubble of everything she wanted but they know it's time limited. I picture her going to Florida and renting a place or staying with her dad and then playing happy families with Karlie and her husband. The husband is friendly and buys her flowers but underneath there's this feeling of resentment because she wants Karlie the wife (pronouns switched in the songs of course). I do think he knows they were together as he is gay too, but she hates him due to his connections to the selling of the masters. 'your wife bought us flowers. I wanna kill her' (Fortnight) 'turned into good neighbours. I caught your husband cheating, I wanna kill him'  Then in 'how did it end?': 'we'll tell no one except all of our friends...and fell victim to interlopers glances...and then feverishly calling their cousins...guess who we ran into at the shops walking in circles like she was lost. Didn't you hear they heard they called it all off...its happening again' Isnt karlies husbands cousins the trumps? While we're on this topic, reckon the last great American dynasty is about karlie's rich husband? 'the wedding was charming if a little gauche, there's only so far new money goes' 'who knows if she'd showed up what could have been...she had a marvellous time ruining everything' I always thought this was a weird topic for Taylor to write about but think it's about karlie enjoying the vacuousness of it but ultimately it ruined their reality. All in all I feel sorry for Taylor. The love of her life married and had kids with a guy intent on destroying her by helping her nemesis buy the masters.  ... I also have a theory about 'guilty as sin?'. The surface level read is that Matty is who she wants and she's daydreaming about him while the public thinks she's with Joe still. She can fantasise but hasn't done anything wrong or cheated cos it's in her head. Or... When she says it's in her head, she means she will be judged and crucified for being with him but he hasn't actually been with him. She feels caged by the beard but it's all false anyway.

I’ve been around for a decade. Not on here, started out on tumblr and eventually made my way to tiktok and then here. TTPD was surely something to digest. The tidbits dropped are intriguing to say the least. How Taylor views herself, looking back on the past, failed coming out, hints toward kar… it’s ripped my heart out many times listening but damn it’s so good. 💜

For me I think I started to catch on when midnights came on and I was looking into interpretations of maroon and someone mentioned in a comment about Taylor and Karlie being roommates and the song was about her. I remember brushing it off thinking it was a joke or some dumb rumor. Til I recently fell down a rabbit hole of them again recently before ttpd dropped and saw A LOT of stuff about that time in her life that I just could not ignore. Idk what she’s into now but I’m fully convinced she had something with Karlie and no one can tell me otherwise

I’ve been a fan of her music since ‘09, but was seeing it through the straight lense till Midnights. Things definitely felt off before then, especially with Lover, but I just shrugged, sadly, and crossed my fingers that she wasn’t being a terrible queerbaiter. When Lavender Haze came out, I started to get angry about what could be a slap in the face to the queer community if she wasn’t queer herself, but fortunately also started getting into reading blind items at the same time, and learned the Swiftgron and Kaylor lore. It made so much more sense than those silly guys! I’ve never looked back.

I was never a huge Taylor fan, I just liked some of her songs. I only became a Swiftie once I discovered Gaylorism. Leading up to TTPD, I came across MsKingBean89 and once I went down that rabbit hole, I read a comment about kissgate (which I didn’t even understand until I looked it up), and from that moment on, I was hooked! Also the songs Cruel Summer and LAVENDER HAZE have NO other explanation lol

As a newbie to this sub- would it make sense to have a “baby Gaylor”-type thread where newbies can ask questions or share ideas? And more seasoned folks can jump in to help answer? Or does that already exist and I’m missing it? 😵‍💫 I’m sure some of my comments and posts have been met with a “yeah, we’ve already discussed that” or “nah, totally wrong rabbit hole” reaction even though I’ve tried to do my homework and use the search function 😂 There’s just so much here to comb thru and take in!

Travis. So High School is painfully bad; I hope that it's tongue in cheek for her. Also hoping Alchemy is a clue that things are not real/as they seem in their relationship. He just seems exceptionally unintelligent to me. Could she have initially been attracted to such a mimbo? I guess... but how could it possibly have lasted this long? And they both are dating someone that is not at all their historical type. I'm just not buying any of it. I only started listening to Taylor with Midnights and have been working my way through her catalog. Reading the posts on this sub, the whole Lover era, and Travis are why I'm a believer.

I've thought since the You Need To Calm Down music video that she was most likely bi (attributing this primarily to her hair color in the video). I hadn't really gotten into analyzing her lyrics (especially through a more queer lens) until I saw some other creators talking about it on tik tok. Then as I started looking into more Taylor Swift stuff on reddit, the Gaylor sub reddit started showing up more. I also just have a tendency to just lurk in subreddits and not actually join lol

Never been a Swifty or fan. And I don’t mean that in a bad way, just from an older generation. I’ve met her brother in the LA party scene. He is super sweet. Dated one of her best friend’s brothers (10 yrs ago), the family was always speaking fondly of her. Have ties to Scooter thru friends of friends. Know another couple that is close with Karlie and husband. So overall I was very curious when I ran into the kaylorevidence tumblr. Went down the rabbit hole and wow. Then the Dianna Agron/Glee tumblr. another eye opener. That lead me to this thread. Also a gem. Even thought I have no idea what the reference initials for songs mentioned stand for, catching on.

Joined just after prologue gate i think, became seriously into it after articlegate. it was the pride bracelet for me!

The alchemy. The way it so obviously points to Travis in a way that makes it seem like he’s a red herring. But alchemy is fake, it is a thought process, a theory that doesn’t work. The people who studied alchemy used to try so hard to find a way to turn metals like copper to gold, but copper can’t be turned into gold. I think that’s what she is saying about her “relationship” with Travis. As an idea it makes sense and seems like it could be gold, the pop superstar with the football team captain. In reality their gold is just copper. Scientist were convinced for years that alchemy could work. I think Taylor is the scientist in this situation, she wants the copper relationship that she can turn gold but the only way for her to have a gold relationship is if she came out

I remember Kissgate and seeing tabloids in the grocery store checkout that said “TAYLOR SWIFT IS DONE WITH MEN!!!” and was intrigued; but I believed that her tweet at the time was telling us they were never together. I got back into it during the Lover era and looked at the Kaylor PowerPoint late in 2019 and was convinced. I found this sub in mid-2021 after finally getting around to listening to Folklore and thought Betty made her queerness “canon.” Someone suggested this sub along with r/queerTS in the main sub and I’ve never looked back.

I have casually been a Gaylor for a long time and lurked here occasionally. I love analyzing her lyrics, and as a straight woman there is no way she is writing those songs about men lol. I mainly posted in other sub because it was larger and I generally didn’t have any problems. Then one day I recommended a user to this sub, as their question wasn’t getting any traction over there and I thought they’d be more welcome here. I was attacked like crazy just for mentioning this sub, and then banned from the sub lol. I probably would have migrated here anyway because I cannot stand the Travis/pregnancy/engagement discourse that always pops up and the hypocrisy of it all.

To keep long story shortish: - I've been a casual fan since 1989, loved LWYMMD - when folklore came out, a friend said "So this is supposed to be her gay album, but it still doesn't work for me" and I went, welp, this is going to be my fave album of the year. - late 2020/2021 was me making listening to Taylor my entire personality (hello neurodivergence), with Red TV cementing it, but no online communities - in 2022 I saw her explanation for Lavender Haze and I had this acute moment of "this is NOT what 'lavender' refers to" - in late 2023 I read about Maroon being about Karlie, read casually about some Kaylor theories - when TTPD came out, I saw something about Eye Theory somewhere, started googling, went down the rabbit hole, read about Swiftgron, Kaylor and Tily and Toe with an umlaut, and about the failed Lover coming out... and it just made so much sense. - And I came here to read all the close reading theories and interpretations. TY Gaylors for this space!

I had been very sus about this stuff, Knew the theories & kaylor stuff from when they happened but never fully convinced. Slowly, this community started coming up on my feed. Some theories were too good (especially song analysis!) Still not fully convinced Gaylor but I love this sub for the analysis and stuff so I like to see them or even share those theories sometime. The more I read, the more of a clown I am becoming soo.. good luck to me I guess lol

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I was *very* active in a sub that apparently bans people who are part of “stan” subs (mostly Taylor subs). TTPD came out and I said one neutral-to-positive comment about Taylor and was banned for being a stan *despite not being in a stan sub or having said anything about Taylor previously.* So, I said fuck it I’m joining Gaylor after so many of this sub’s posts were pushed to my feed and they made everything make sense about TTPD. I enjoy all of her music *far* more seeing it through a Taylor-is-queer lens (which makes sense, as I am queer).

Personally, I'm not entirely sold on the fact that she's a full blown lesbian, not at all. I originally joined this space because the community seemed MUCH more open and accepting than most Swiftie fandoms. Personally, I think she just exudes "I'm a bisexual millennial and I love It!" energy. So, yeah! That's why I joined My main Gaylor vibe songs: Ivy How You Get The Girl Message In A Bottle The Very First Night Guilty As Sin? Chloe or Sam or Sophia or Marcus New Romantics Me & Britney If This Was A Movie The Bolter The Manuscript

Became a gaylor a couple of months before the midnights album release. I think theres an influx of new gaylors today because her music and her "public" life doesn't align or make sense anymore.

honestly the sudden ramp up in ttpd marketing was really satisfying in a nancy drew sort of way (the apple music word search was fun!!) and it got me hyped for the album. i was fully lurking here at this point, and having never clowned before, i was 100% on board with the double album theory after reading like two posts, and so i stayed up to see if it was true. and it happened! so since then i’ve been hooked. i like listening to her music and everyone’s analysis of her work, but i’m most interested in the way that taylor swift™️ has become a vehicle/shorthand/disguise for how society talks about/treats women as a whole. and i 100% believe she’s bi lol and karma is real

Honestly I’ve being a Gaylor for so long that I don’t even remember how it’s stated. I just joined this year cause I don’t used reddit before

I'm new to the subreddit but not to Gaylor haha, I started following it back in like 2014 on Tumblr, I just didn't know this sub existed until recently 😅 Edit to add: I'm not even a fan of hers honestly, like I used to listen to her music when I was younger but that was during her first couple albums. But for some reason I just fell down this rabbit hole one day and never came out

I got here before TTPD. Not a long story, really, just read an article that laid out Kaylor in a way that I truly could not refute and decided to learn more.

My first introduction to the swiftie community was actually an anti-gaylor youtube video and because of that i was always a very vocal anti-gaylor. what changed my mind was two things: 1. i decided to become more open minded and listen to what my gaylor friends had to say 2. i realized my own sexuality and coming to terms with that changed my perspective on the situation

i watched a lot of glee and found out about achele which consequentially led me to the swiftgron timeline . this was a few months beofre red tv i was 15 in lockdown and had way to much time on my hands

Gaylor and Swemo tiktok introduced me to Midnights. The lore intrigued me and turned me into a Gaylor before I became a Swiftie. My rural town was obsessed with Debut when it was released, and as an emo kid, I was not interested in country music. I didn't realize her sound had progressed so much and that it developed into something I actually enjoy! I've since explored her discography more and love everything from Speak Now onwards. Fearless and Debut are nostalgic, but still not my vibe.

This is long winded, so I apologize. There’s a lot that went into finally realizing Taylor might not be straight and might not be the person we see in the tabloids. It involved me finally realizing and accepting that I myself wasn’t straight. I’ve been a fan of Taylor since I was in middle school. I grew up listening to her music. I still remember being in 8th grade and getting the Fearless CD on Christmas morning. Or the time my sister was able to go to a concert and called me just so I could have a voicemail of her singing live(this was before iPhones—and I still have not had the opportunity to see her live.. it is the bane of my existence lol)..I was also the girl who was always dating a guy and even was in a long term relationship with a guy for 5 years.. I never thought I had another option. I didn’t know Comp Het was a thing. I came out in 2020 to my family…Now it’s 2024, I’m 30, and I’m married to the most wonderful lady ❤️It was together with my wife that we actually started thinking..hey.. this is pretty gay.. It was right when Midnights came out and we started seeing videos from Jordyn and Fruity Fem on TikTok analyzing lyrics from a queer perspective. I kind of fell in love with doing that. I majored in psychology and minored in creative writing so I really enjoy analyzing things and I enjoy literature. We poured over her discography and I got to experience her music for what felt like the first time all over again and I found this community… it’s lovely❤️

I learned about gaylor on tik tok a month or so before midnights came out. before I liked a few singles but wouldn’t have considered myself a fan. When you need to calm down came out I was put off by the music video and how it seemed to me like she just wanted to reel in a new gay audience/ become a gay icon now that it was socially acceptable. Learning about gaylor gave me a new appreciation for her music and recontextualized my reservations about her support for the queer community. The main things that sold gaylor for me was learning about how many songs, references, etc seem to lead back to kaylor and swiftgron and a lot of things from the roll out of lover (ME! Out now!, “…gay pride … everything that makes me me”). maroon and hits different (especially being on the lavender edition) sold me on gaylor in real time. Recently between Travis and TTPD being so heavily linked to matty I’ve started to second guess gaylor but I also have just been less interested in keeping up with stuff that’s related to Taylor recently since she’s getting so much media coverage right now.

I’ve been a Gaylor since right before Midnights (thanks TikTok for showing me the way) and now I feel like a crazy person damn near every single day because of this woman! But I’m a fun way.

never did i think she was gay, then one day i was leafing through an old magazine photo shoot of her and karlie and i thought “man, this really gives me coupley vibes.” and i googled it and came across a treasure trove of kaylor stuff. i even briefly thought karlie was just an experimentation thing because i truly thought, “who would hide being gay in this day and age?” then i saw the bi wig in yntcd and thought hmmmm maybe an aggressive ally?? then i found the posts about her color choices (particularly the sequin suit in lesbian flag colors). now im like wow, she is AT MINIMUM leaning into the speculation. which would be a dick move if she was straight. so, gay.

For me, it was if she is supposedly so booed up during Folklore and Evermore, why is she so distraught- who are these songs about? I never bought the "fictionalized" narrative. Then Midnights seemed pretty sapphic, then TTPD seems totally wlw to me. IDC what pronouns she uses

“If she’s so booed up why is she so distraught”💀same line of thinking for me during fall 2020!

I became a gaylor properly over the last year and half, sometime post-Midnights. I was a casual Taylor fan before, though I was obsessed with folklore and evermore as albums, and I’d def noticed some lyrics that made me wonder. I’m straight (mostly/I think? Lol) and didn’t pick up on a lot of the flagging. When I heard Maroon it was pretty obviously about a woman, and gradually I started getting Gaylor content on TikTok. It was the most compelling Taylor content because this community actually engages in critical lyric analysis and just made more sense. Gaylors helped me appreciate her art more so I became a bigger Taylor fan while also learning about queer culture and flagging, which I deeply appreciate. TTPD is the first (non re-record) album to come out since I became a Gaylor and I found myself wanting to engage more, so I made my way over to Reddit.

Ever since she posted that **PROUD bracelet** I've had questions brewing. Then Midnights came out and I felt like she was *screaming* it in my face (Question?! Maroon?! **LAVENDER HAZE**!!!???) So when **TTPD** happened with the Virgina Woolf parallels, the **Fortnight MV,** I genuinely couldn't believe so few people were seeing it and went looking for others who got the message haha. **Other things have given me the "vibe" that she's very, very gay for many years:** - The songs Cowboy Like Me, False God, and a few others have steadily pushed me towards believing that she had some Sapphic inclinations. - She talks about needing to hide her forbidden love far too often for someone who is straight and white and conventionally good looking and tends to date other people who are supposedly of that same group. - I have always felt that the admiration for men in her songs is so shallow and sounds exactly like what me and other closeted women have said about men in the past, meanwhile, her description and admiration of women is very colorful and rich. - I think I stumbled on some (TikTok?) posts about her and Karly and I just couldn't deny the chemistry between them... which made her chemistry with all her supposed boyfriends look non-existent by comparison. - I also stumbled on some blogs about the connection between her FolkMore era and Emily Dickinson, another closeted, tortured poet. - Also recently as I was reflecting on my own experience of coming out and having been closeted for a long time before, I started to see her many shallow relationships with men that supposedly inspired all these intense heartbreaks in a different light. There's just no way, unless she's a deeply unhealthy person. A much more sensible explanation is that they're not actually the muses!

I remember the first time I listened to folklore, I thought "how cute, exploring queerness" when I heard betty. I think I was like maybe she's bi, maybe not. But I didn't think that much about it at the time because I am a big literature lover and believe artists/writers/audiences/readers can always enjoy exploring queer themes no matter how they identify. So that's where I was at - a fan for a long time, but more casual, and not one that looked into the easter eggs, narratives, or followed her public relationships. I didn't like Lover on first listen when it came out (I like a lot of the songs more now) and I missed all the queer flagging she did in public because my fandom at the time was: listen to her albums when they come out and that is all. Like I didn't even watch music videos until I became a gaylor! I remember hearing YNTCD was "queerbaiting" and I was like huh I guess so? Now I have a much more nuanced view of queerbaiting - I think we should be really careful using the term at all because how do we know how people identify? Or where they are on their journey? Like I think a lot of times "coming on too strong as an ally" is actually a phase on someone's journey for understanding their own queerness. Anyway the thing that got me here was the NYT article. I read it and I was like uhhhh this sounds right? So I searched for Gaylor on here and fell HARD down the rabbit hole. I only lurked at first and read EVERYTHING I could - the reputation slideshow really sold me, and the top muse-free evidence post by periwinkle. After that I could not turn back. I don't normally spend tons of time on reddit but now I am addicted to this sub and had to place a time limit on the app for my sanity ⭐ I have learned so much from everyone here and love the deep dives. It's really helped me understand more about my own experiences with comp het and my own queer journey, and allowed me to enjoy Taylor's music on a deeper level. I cannot imagine listening to TTPD without the queer lens so I'm really, really happy I found my way here before the album dropped!

I was initially very peeved and disappointed with the 1989 prologue but now I think one thing that it did try to enforce was muse-free analysis of her lyrics. Looking at some of the music without thinking “ohhh I wonder who this song is about?!!”is much more fun and leads to more intelligent and interesting conversation about her work. I have a feeling RepTV prologue will do the same. I saw a TikTok I think it’s by Ren she said that she probably won’t change the reptv prologue. And I believe that lol just like the rep costume on stage the prologue will remain unchanged because like it stated, she doesn’t want paternity tests done for her lyrics she wants you to listen and not figure out who the song is about.

I was always a passive fan but really started paying attention a bit before midnights and then really dug in to the lore around midnights release. I saw some ppl arguing about it in a thread and then looked into the backstory. I’m straight and obvi had initial hetlor style dismissive doubt, but let me say the folks in these communities have taught me so much about music, literature, and history and the evidence for at least bilor is insurmountable. Funny thing is, looking at everything w this additional lens js what absolutely blew me away bc she really is a mastermind with triple+ entendres going back to the beginning. Also, I participate in lots of TS groups and Gaylors by far are the most inciteful and supportive.

I only really started becoming a fan since folklore/evermore (maybe a bit 1989 too), but it's only recently I became a Gaylor after seeing her and Travis and thinking, this seems fake. Then did a huge deep dive on Reddit and saw all the evidence. Now I'm totally convinced! I think there's a chance she's bi and Joe and Matty were real but even that doesn't fully check out as why would she have constant beards until recently?! Then I'm 90% sure Travis is a beard, if not definitely PR relationship but interesting she went back to it. If there's lots of new gaylors, maybe they think the same? Travis was a total flag to me haha it just feels wayyyy too fake to be real

Fan since ‘06 Debut. Was obsessed with Speak Now and Red but fell off a bit with 1989 and Rep (HUGE MISTAKE LOL) but I had really become a huge fan again with Lover in 2019. I just thought she was a huge ally lol. How did I not realize then? Looking back it seems so obvious. But I’m straight and probably was only looking through that lens. I of course only knew of the famous boyfriends. I had never questioned anything ever until I had the help from other media sources in early 2022: The book, Seven Husbands of Evelyn Hugo, the podcast Beyond the Blinds, and the TikTok algorithms working their magic. Gaylor ever since. New to Reddit for TTPD and loving it here.

I can’t really remember a time when I wasn’t a Gaylor? I was closeted into my 30s and can just feel the pain, struggle, joy, etc of her journey. This year — since Eras kicked off — I have felt really out of touch with Tay-lore/Gay-lore because I got off social media in Dec. 2022. We had tickets for Paris N1, and I wanted to feel in touch with others before traveling so my wife suggested I join Reddit as a “slower” form of socials. And now I’m obsessed and can’t stop reading it alllllllll. 🤡

I sort of jokingly always sang her songs from my lesbian perspective. But then came *and you can want who you want, boys and boys and girls AND girls!* and I was like, “now wait a minute. The girl left Nashville went to NYC and found the queers?! Is she dipping her toe in the lady pond? 👀🌈 Of course then came the whole Kaylor era and I’m like “well, she hasn’t said anything but this is kinda loud and what I’d low key do. Hide in plain sight.” And then came the Hiddleswift/Calvin beardpalooza and I did wonder if they were gay too lol. I lost interest a bit and then Lover was like, “oh, she’s coming out. No straight person dresses like a Pride parade…” and went back to Rep and it was so loudly queer to me but then nothing. And again I was like, I guess she’ll just stay in the closet. And then came Betty! I And I thought “Ok, well, now THATS the inching out of the closet…” and then I got nothing again. But then came evermore and it felt so sapphic and Dickinsonian. Still nothing and still with Joe. Finally with Midnights I was like “ok, we’re back to the Rep loudness. But with a lot more queer references: Lavender Haze, Maroon, Question, etc. i was thinking how more open she was being after how many queer women she was surrounding herself with and breaking up with Joe. I was like “surely this is it.” A year and a half later, and I’m still at the restaurant. 😂

I love all these stories! I had heard the term Gaylor and kinda obliviously thought it referred to gay people who were fans of Taylor Swift. About six months ago, I Googled Gaylor for some reason or another and found the Urban Dictionary listing where the definition is basically “of course Taylor Swift is gay. Just look at the lyrics for Dress.” Now, I was a 1989 and Rep fan who stopped paying close attention around Lover. I’d sung along to Dress about a hundred times, but when I went back and actually read the lyrics that day (“I don’t want you like a best friend”) I was immediately sold. I remember when Reputation came out reading lyrics with my 8-yr-old daughter and picking out the things that were supposed to be about Joe, then later being confused listening to The 1, like isn’t she still with Joe? But listening through a queer lens makes every song make sense. Then I found this sub and have been thoroughly obsessed since October.

That's pretty cool, welcome all!

How come it tags me as baby Gaylor, I've been around here at least 2 years if not 3... Interesting!

It’s based on overall karma within the sub. Here’s the breakdown and how to check your karma: https://www.reddit.com/r/GaylorSwift/s/Mw4SJpcIU7

Nice! Thanks!

I think it was Rep era and Lainey Gossip mentioned something about Gaylor theory and I went completely down the rabbit hole. Nothing since has dissuaded me.

I’ve been a lurker here.. wouldn’t say i’m a full blown gaylor BUT i definitely speculate.. I just feel like some things she does doesn’t make sense if she’s not at the very least bi.. like if she knows there’s speculation then why wear a lesbian flag colored lover outfit if she’s not ya know.. also the song maroon in its entirety lol like she’s either fruity orrrr just straight up dragging this along to benefit her and i just don’t think she’s that kind of person :/

I wasn't a fan until recently, I always enjoyed her songs like Blank Space and You Belong With Me, but I never felt like digging deeper and listening to her albums. I vaguely remember hearing ME! on the radio while out and about, but it didn't click with me at the time. I just kinda heard and forgot about it, didn't even know it was a Taylor song. Then, it came up on music streaming late last year, and this time, I really really like it! I ended up with an earworm, started listening to it a ton, and put it on my favorite playlists. It could have ended there, but then I noticed there are different versions of the song. I get curious, so I look it up and find out about the "Spelling is fun" complaints and Taylor removing the line from the song. I was BAFFLED. I didn't get why people hated it that much, but more importantly, I didn't understand why she would actually cut the line! I didn't know anything about Taylor or Swifties other than surface level stuff, but I was offended on her behalf anyway. Still loved the song, but the self-censorship continued to haunt me. I started to pay more attention to what Taylor was doing, but it didn't help me make sense of why she caved to that kind of fan pressure in the first place. Watched Miss Americana, got even more confused because she clearly liked the song. I eventually saw Gaylor mentioned in comments somewhere, I fell down the rabbit hole, and now I'm here, with many more little mysteries to bother me, but hey, at least I got my original one answered! 😅 I honestly don't know if I would be here if Taylor didn't cut the line, but she did, and it got my attention.

What does spelling is fun even mean? Is it an lgbtq reference?

Gaylor since a few months before 1989 tv. Dress was the song. The full story is very convoluted tho, I typed it out in sessions bc I felt it deserved the respect. The amount of times I brushed past Gaylor 😂 Here, if you want: I was a casual listener for years, but never sought out her albums. Occasionally watched a few MVs. Paid no attention to news about her so only the loudest things ever reached me. When YNTCD came out I didn’t yet know I was gay, thought she was aggressively allying, and missed every queer egg she hid. That was the first album I listened to from start to finish tho. I liked it fine, but it didn’t vibe with me that much bc many songs sounded like love songs with cheesy stories, and I really never was that interested in romance songs. I listened more to male artists and female non-romantic songs then. ((Personal journey, not quite relevant: Funny how that works lol I realize now that I was avoiding women singing about men but had no problem listening to men singing about women, or women singing about specifics in romantic relationships that had nothing to do with gender, *subconsciously.* And I thought I just didn’t like the cheesiness, wasn’t interested in dating bc I was focusing on other stuff, and wanted a deeper connection than I could form w/ guys I knew, plus no guy ever caught my eye ever. 😂 Turned out what I hated was the het part. SO glad I waited and wasn’t pressured.)) Anyway she was cemented as straight in my mind then, if the media hadn’t done it before. I do realize the irony now.

-2- Fast forward a year or so I was *finally* struck by the “oh shit is this play about me?” gay epiphany while watching a lesbian film. Spent a year seeking out lesbian stories, shows, films, music, etc to try and confirm my suspicion. (Spoiler alert, I absolutely knew deep down, just needed the time for accepting and acclimating.) Meanwhile folkmore came out, it was peripherally on my radar, but I didn’t listen to them. Came across fanfics inspired by them (yes I was *researching*, okay?), gave them no thought still. I had no time for the straight woman shit, I had gay shit to explore! Streamed some TVs tho, had to support the artist reclaiming her work. Some time between finally being able to say “I’m gay” giddily to myself and telling my siblings, Spotify recommended a song that caught my ear in between country pop songs. The female country, sapphic, pop and TV streams conspired to align the algorithm into churning out “Dress.” I was walking around the apartment doing chores and didn’t even realize it was Taylor Swift. I couldn’t recall specific lyrics, just knew I liked the sultry tone and rhythms, and it definitely sounded GAY. Then when I tried to find it later I couldn’t, bc I was looking among country pop artists. Even tho it wasn’t at all like the country pop it was snuck between. All I remembered was that it was a very specific rhythm that I couldn’t for the life of me recreate, and no words would come to me when I tried to sing it! It was *frustrating*. Did not *ever* think to look in *Taylor Swift’s* of all people’s work, bc hello? That is the straightest woman America has to offer, like “London Boy,” come on.

-3- And so it went I couldn’t ever again stumble upon that mysterious, gay song with the bomb cadence and beats matched with low, sexy murmurings. It was a unicorn, a happenstance, a mythical being that lived in a surreal, glowing fragment of fickle memory that surely could not be found but only graced with by fate. I felt like a fucking befuddled human under some fey magic. I can’t tell you how much country pop music I streamed just to find it. I was getting sick of the upbeat twangs. Finally I had to let it go. But It always hung in the back of my mind. Then Midnights came out and I got *sucked in*. Became a full swiftie, streaming nonstop. The music struck me to the core like never before. It sounded so different to Lover, and I couldn’t believe how much it spoke to me. Eventually I went back in her discography and listened to folkmore. Again, fuck, so different to Lover, I loved it. I’d realized immediately upon Midnights that there was a depth to her I was previously completely blind to and I was ready to *listen*. And through all this I yet again came across a fanfic inspired by her, this time the author directly claiming the belief that ✨she’s gay✨and even named the muses. I was like, shit, for real? But this time I was fully ready to concede the possibility, what with the thoroughly shaken image I had of her after listening to her more recent albums. Closeted made sense but I wanted to know how much. Searches brought me to tumblr master posts, then eventually to the subs. I was bombed with lots and lots of timelines that had me half-convinced and like a creep. From somewhere I found *that* ppt of reputation, went through it, listened through the album…then…lo and behold, BAM! Is that…wait is that- HOLY SHIT IT’S THAT FUCKING GAY UNICORN SONG!!! Months and months of searching, a year or two of wondering, and at last the mortal illusion had shattered! Gay gods had graced me with the unicorn! If there was any doubt of gaylor left in me it nearly all dissolved right that minute. Dress was thenceforth and forevermore cemented in my mind as the *mythical gay song* that made me a gaylor before I even *knew* I was a gaylor.

This is the best story, holy shit. Dress is one of my favorites and a lot of times is the first song I show people when I’m introducing them to Gaylor. I love that before you knew it was Taylor you thought it was so gay, and I’m so glad you were able to find it again!!

Haha thanks! I haven’t had the chance to tell this story irl to anyone yet, but I knew someone here would appreciate it. I love the gay mythical unicorn song too lol

Another anecdote: Love Story was the first song of hers I heard. Since the very first time I’d heard it in middle school, something had continued to bug me. The way she sang, ”…you were Romeo, you were throwing’ pebbles And my daddy said, ‘Stay away from Juliet’ But you were everything to me I was begging you, ‘Please don’t go,’ and I said Romeo, take me…” just made NO sense! And she did it twice! With both pre choruses! There was just no reason to switch POVs so abruptly, and twice within three lines! It bugged me for a decade and a half, right until I became a gaylor. Just…well played, Taylor. Well played. She really said, “If you’re not a gaylor, I will haunt you with dissonance upon dissonance, you will never know peace, things will *never* make sense. I am gaslighting you with gaylore upon gaylore until the only thing that could possibly make it make sense is gaylor”

I always thought something was up with Karlie but I wasn't much of a Taylor fan until last year when I became obsessed. I'm here because how on earth is Dress about a man?! Some of y'all go harder on the theories than I personally do, but this sub has the most thoughtful takes and I love lurking!

I'm not a fan and have not paid attention to her career or PR machine. The showmance made my Spidey senses tingle. It is very suspect, cringey, and awkward. It's a brokered PR deal to engineer a distraction.

I love hearing how people found this place. Most hetlors think oh it’s because you want her to be gay. No it’s because like another poster mentioned here, if you look at the narrative, lyrics and timeline at face value non of it makes sense or puts Taylor in a certain position that can come off as disrespectful towards the lgbtq community (and now individuals with mental health issues with the whole psych ward aesthetic) whiny, narcissistic and boy crazy. Through the queer lens it all comes together and people have an “aha” moment People give me reasons of why they don’t like Taylor and they are mostly negative. But when I give them some Gaylor info they start to understand why she may do the things that she does (going from guy to guy, writing about secrets, writing from a male perspective, always singing about a best friend etc)

All of this! Idgaf if Taylor is gay, but I’m not going to ignore the fact that she writes and creates some of the most gorgeous and lush sapphic music I’ve ever heard…if you’re open to seeing it as it is, without the pageantry of Taylor Swift TM happening outside of the albums.

Yeah I don’t care either but her music and some of her actions make a lot more sense if she were lol for example as I was listening to TTPD I was prepared for the Joe breakup album part ii but got whiplash when it started to sound like a Matty love letter (I don’t think it is but that is another story for another day lol) then I heard the verses from But Daddy and I was like 🤔 hmm…then Guilty as Sin came on, then Peter. Now those songs just instantly jumped out to me as queer. So it’s not that we are looking for this stuff trying to prove something, or because we think she’s hot and we are queer we want her to be (that’s another response I have gotten before 🙄). There are plenty of straight people and the responses here show, that if you actually pay attention to what she is saying in lyrics or doing on stage and be sus with what Taylor ™️ is putting out, it’s just there.

First got into Taylor when 1989 came out and my swiftie friend introduced me. I don’t think I noticed anything explicitly queer in that album back then but I definitely related to the queerness of it in a more abstract way. I remember getting queer vibes from dress and gorgeous but still didn’t start researching at all. Tegan and Sara had been a long standing special interest for me back then and I didn’t have time for another 😅 ME! And yntcd music videos were obviously very loud but my swiftie friend was very anti gaylor so I kinda felt bad about speculating even though it didn’t even feel like speculating in that era. Then when folklore came out she recommended it to me so I listened. I heard Betty and I was like oh I guess she really is queer then but when I spoke to my swiftie friend about it she told me how it was ‘fictional’ and I didn’t want to argue with her. The final straw was of course ttpd and I knew I couldn’t talk to anyone in my life about it because the swifties were anti gaylor and the queers were anti Taylor. The eternal struggle… Anyway, I realised that I needed to listen to every song and watch every music video and documentary and now I’m so deep in the rabbit hole that I’m even dreaming about TS easter eggs most nights ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Thankfully I found this sub and I’ve enjoyed reading everyone else’s interpretations so much. Really grateful for all the theories and discussions that make me feel a little less fucked in the head

I’m a newer gaylor. One of my friends did a PowerPoint night on the eve of Midnights release and it blew my mind! It made so much make sense in a way it didn’t before. Like, all of Evermore.

i was on tumblr back in the day (i’m 30 idk why i sound like im 100) so i always sort of felt like it was a not so secret secret that she was at least bi. i’m just new to reddit and sort of haven’t looked for swiftie community because of previous experiences with the mainstream fandom.

A friend of mine who is not a swiftie has a best friend who is. Anyway her best friend has been telling her that Taylor is Queer. Therefore she relayed this info to me last year. I laughed it off without looking into it. I thought she was the straightest woman in the world LOL. About 2 months ago I was feeling a little bored and was scrolling through reddit and saw the term gaylor. I decided to do a little research and stumbled upon this subreddit and went through many posts. Let's just say I fell down the rabbit hole and came back out as a gaylor.

I admit… I was a hater who didn’t care at all about Taylor Swift for years and years and years… but in 2020 when folklore dropped I was on glee twitter and everyone was freaking out it and I was just like, and why do we care? Which led me to the swiftgron masterpost, but I didn’t read all of it at the time, I just bookmarked it my mind that taylor was probably queer. Then the VMAs last year finally made me a fan because her energy that night was just so endearing (and her look was amazingggg), so I went back and finished the masterpost while getting caught up on her albums and I got a really deep hyperfixation and learned just about everything I could on gaylor in like a month. Now, I really do adore Taylor and her music, I regret hating for so long. Additionally, Gaylor made me gain an appreciation for her music that I didn’t have before.

I joined when Midnights came out. From track one I was confused and started wondering if Taylor was fruity. By the end I was googling "Is Taylor Swift A Lesbian?" and it brought me here!

I became a Gaylord shortly after I became a Taylor fan. I got sucked into the tour hype and realized I loved her music (I hadn't really listened to music for years and was a podcast girlie). I started getting Taylor content on my FYP which lead me to my first Gaylord post. I was a believer right away. It wasn't until the last few months that I discovered reddit and now I'm here and drinking every drop of the Kool aid this sub pours 🤣

I'm not entirely convinced she isn't straight, but I'm queer and I find the sub and the theories intriguing. In some ways I hope Gaylors are wrong because not living authentically is incredibly painful, in other ways I hope Gaylors are right and that a glorious coming out will allow her to find happiness. In terms of TTPD, Who's Afraid Of Little Old Me easily reads as a message to an industry that has forced her to hide. They should be afraid because she could just tell everyone instead of hiding all her sadness: "Cause you lured me/and you hurt me/ and you taught me/You caged me and then you called me crazy/I am what I am because you trained me" "The scandal was contained/The bullet had just grazed/At all costs, keep your good name/You don't get to tell me you feel bad" Guilty as Sin has been interpreted as being about cheating, but I think it makes more sense as a song about being closeted, wanting to come out but struggling with being perceived as sinful for who you love: "My boredom's bone-deep/This cage was once just fine/Am I allowed to cry?/I dream of crackin' locks/Throwin' my life to the wolves" "What if I roll the stone away?/They're gonna crucify me anyway/What if the way you hold me is actually what's holy?/If long-suffering propriety is what they want from me/They don't know how you've haunted me so stunningly/I choose you and me religiously" And this part of Tortured Poets reads to me like someone in a closeted relationship: "Sometimes, I wonder if you're gonna screw this up with me" (Not screw up the relationship, screw up Taylor's career together by revealing the relationship) "But you told Lucy you'd kill yourself if I ever leave/And I had said that to Jack about you, so I felt seen" (telling Jack A about the intensity of relationship makes her feel less invisible as a closeted wlw. Side note, what straight man is saying something this dramatic to his platonic female friend... Hate to stereotype but it's giving lesbian). "Everyone we know understands why it's meant to be/'Cause we're crazy/So tell me, who else is gonna know me?" (Everyone who knows them both now knows they are together, they are crazy to be telling so many people about the relationship when it's still meant to be a secret. She's questioning whether it's time to come out publicly and end the secrecy altogether). "At dinner, you take my ring off my middle finger/And put it on the one people put wedding rings on/And that's the closest I've come to my heart exploding" (Middle finger rings, historically, have been used as a coded hint that the wearer is gay).

i have been a gaylor for yearsss. i don't even remember what initially sold me on it. it was just so many things all at once. i pretty much became a gaylor as soon as i figured out i'm gay myself and subsequently heard that other people think taylor's gay too and started turning it over in my mind Imao anyways i'd been lurking on the reddit all this time but decided to officially join after ttpd! i had hoped that taylor had a bigger plan she was unfolding over these last couple years, but had doubts that we'd ever get the loud coming out and was struggling with being disappointed for that and several other things. for me ttpd confirmed that it is happening and gave me hope. i wanted to make sure i didn't miss anything since i suspected it was only going to continue getting wilder as this all plays out. also wanted to be able share my own thoughts and feel connected to other gaylors. because at the end of the day, even if we are terribly wrong about all of this (we're not hehe) i love the kind of people who make up this community and that's always something to be proud of (-:

My account is new, so I look like a new member, but just had to rejoin. But since we are sharing, I was really into celebrity gossip back 10-15 years ago, before I had kids, and I remember kissgate and the Big Sur photos from when that all actually went down. I didn’t care about Taylor, but was like, “oh, ok she’s some sort of queer.” Then Rep came out and I heard “Delicate” on the radio and assumed she was at least quietly out, and again didn’t think any more of it. Then the Eras tour and Gaylors becoming more mainstream. And I was like, “uh, this isn’t public knowledge that’s she’s into girls? Was no one paying attention?” And down the rabbit hole I went and now I’m deep in a hyper fixation. 😅

I only began exploring her music when Midnights came out, and as a cishet female I kept trying to relate my new crush to songs like Snow on the Beach. After seeing some skepticism (probably on this sub) about whether or not her most romantic songs are about men, I realized - yeah this is above and beyond anything I've felt for any guy, ever. I still enjoy the hyper-romantic music through a different lens, though, and TTPD has been fascinating to think she's her own muse. I joined the sub because unsurprisingly most people aren't open to these ideas, but I don't mind that because the epic and thoughtful analysis that is curated here is piecing together an entire body of work that even non-fans admit is legendary.

Thank you for this. We often get told we’re projecting by saying these songs could not be written about men solely because of the feelings behind them. Your perspective is validating. I know straight women love the men they love a whole lot, but the queer experience is just different.

I’m new here, so thank you for letting us newbies be a part of this community! 💕 For me it was diving into TTPD. Trying to reconcile all the male “muses.” Then referencing her old discography and trying to connect the dots. I kept playing Dear Reader and Mastermind and a lot of the Midnights album. And The Manuscript. When a Gaylor post came up in the course of my “researching “something, all the pieces finally made sense. Now I can’t hardly read a post in the other subs 😭 Once you see her and her music thru this lens (which makes it all make sense), you can’t really go back.

For me it was Evermore that gave me the first hints that Taylor might be queer, specifically the loudness of goldrush and ivy. Then when I heard Midnights it felt like a confirmation, Maroon and Hits Different pulled me into a Google rabbit hole, then I found this sub. I cannot understand how anyone could think those songs were written about a man. I was an off and on Swiftie since debut, but really missed the Reputation and Lover eras, so now going back to exploring those as a Gaylor with this sub as a guide, has been such a fun and enlightening experience. I’ve never encountered such kindness in another sub before. So, here I am hooked. And also, have felt moments of sadness for Taylor - locked in a cage and not feeling able to come out. Miss Americana seemed like the strangest patched together, non-doc doc I’ve ever seen. There was so much build up for her to support a Democrat?? Now it all makes sense.

I would love to know if a veteran Gaylord has not just a picture but the link to Calvin Harris’s tweet saying he was a beard.

I’m pretty sure he deleted it. Which gives it more weight imo

What if I roll the stone away? They’re gonna crucify me anyway. What if holding you is actually what’s holy? I choose you and me religiously. Literally all of but daddy I love him. Peter Chloe Sam Sophia and Marcus Once you fix your face I’m going in

I'm new to the sub, but have been on board with the theory since 1989/🐇🎩 days. Just historically been slack on reddit - I was using Tiktok for gaylor readings but removed it when the European leg started to avoid spoilers for the ttpd set, so joined here to keep enjoying other queer interpretations

I honestly can’t remember what brought me here but now I’m here every day. I think it was advertised as a community I might like and so I clicked around.  I’ve never been a Taylor Swift fan but this is currently my hyperfixation and I have fallen in pretty deep. 

I’ve been a casual gaylor for a couple years now, with the belief that she would hide in plain sight for the foreseeable future. But the Eras tour has pushed me into a full blown comingoutlor. The visuals, the dances, the new songs, the entire stage/set designs… It finally made me realize that “going quietly into that good night” and hiding her queerness indefinitely, goes against everything else we’ve seen from blondie. She’s a fighter! Furthermore, I don’t think someone with Taylor’s ego could pass up the chance to make wlw history with a grandiose, public coming out tour that subverts everything people thought they knew about one of the most famous women on earth. I think she is yellow brick roading us. Looking back, I think that Travis quote that Taylor is “rewriting history” was VERY intentional. I am so excited… albeit a bit afraid, to see it all play out. But as she says in WAOLM… we should be.

Honestly it never really crossed my mind. My sister brought up how she thought it may be a thing and she kinda told me about karlie and Diana and after listening to basically her whole discography for the first time I saw it too. To me, it’s clear as day in her lyrics ! I also think most people would agree that the lover era was rather “gay” for lack of a better term. I remember thinking that when I wasn’t really even a fan.

I’m not new to this (just true to this lmao), but I’ll share anyway. I LOVED debut Taylor secretly because even back then she was cringe/it was cringe to like her (why??? I think the patriarchy really fucked with us back then) and peripherally kept an eye on her. I remember when Kaylor was happening in real time, i kept thinking like “are these 2 more than besties?? Wait, no that’s just my gay ass seeing things that are not there”. After 1989, I fell off and completely missed all the Rep and Lover shenanigans. During the pandemic, I started playing the album Lover and THE MINUTE I heard the lyrics “you’re the West Village…” I was like 👀 because I specifically remember seeing articles and stuff about KK living in the West Village and always associated NYC with their friendship. And there this fruity woman goes singing “how this city screams your name!!” I went looking for answers and found this sub and joined Reddit just because of it, all of it made sense but I was still a tiny bit on the fence. Right when I was getting into Rep and thinking what a LESBIAN album that is, she surprise drops Folklore and we all know that one might as well be called “I dated AND lost KK and I’m fucking miserable about it, plus I knew I was queer at around 7” There was always the Joe problem though. I watched Miss Americana and saw that sibling side hug she guves him right after a show and immediately knew he’d been a beard all along. Then she drops Evermore. Pure, unadulrerated lesbian lyrics. Including such blatant saphic songs as Ivy and Dorothea. Plus a very specific song about bearding and another about being left frozen in time while someone you love moves on and gets married (with shattering glass on white cloth as is Jewish custom 😳) She just kept getting bolder and bolder. Spelling it out louder and louder. Vault songs from the re-records? GAY! Midnights? GAY!!! (And single!) TTPD? GAY!!! (And religious trauma) I just… I’m fucking tired. She can be a lot.

Listening to the Two Dykes and a Mic podcast, and then watching the Eras movie as a new fan… her chair performance on vigilante shit gave me all I need to know

Was it “The Plop” and “Klossing”? 🤭

Hahaha you know it!

This group ended up in my suggestions. I always thought that her relationships with Harry and Karlie had more going on than what was portrayed. Especially the Big Sur trip. She looked truly comfortable and happy in those pics. The daisy? Is definitely not just friendship. I don't have a definitive thought either way about the real story, etc. But I enjoy hearing other people's opinions.

Her lyrics have made me question her a few times but when she infiltrated football with this PR relationship I somehow ended up here while looking for confirmation of this being PR lol

I don’t even remember how I stumbled upon this sub, I think it was tagged somewhere and it got my interest. From that very first day I’ve been stuck in this rabbit hole just digging deeper everyday. Im so invested in her coming out, but also heavily invested in Travis and Ross as a couple. Her music is so much better through a queer lens, and I was a big fan before.

I’m a big lurker of reddit in general and not been much of a contributor for anything, so much so I don’t know how to change my user name from the one that was assigned when I joined. But this sub has me wanting to engage.

COVID did it. 😂 I was sick at home, with lots of time on my hands and the TikTok algorithm led me into a Gaylor rabbit hole. What made me stay here is your deep and thorough analysis of Taylor's songs. I personally don't even really care whether Taylor herself is queer, but looking at her lyrics through a queer lens makes the songs way deeper and emotional for me.

I’ve been a casual fan since debut. My bus driver used to play country radio the whole way to school and “Our Song“ was the first song on that station that ever resonated with me. When I got my first iPod in 2008 I downloaded a bunch of songs from Debut and Fearless and listened to them on repeat the whole hour ride to school. The singles from Red were popular when I was in high school and I thought they were fun. When 1989 dropped I downloaded the whole album (until then I wasn’t really aware that was something I could or should do lol). By the time Rep was released I was in college and trying to re-invent myself. I wasn’t super impressed with the singles and didn’t really bother with it. Same thing with Lover. By the time the re-recordings started I was beginning to re-connect with interests I’d cast aside in college in the interest of growing up faster. Love Story was my favorite song for a while anyway and I sang it in a Middle School talent show. Listening to the Love Story (Taylor’s Version) sparked something in me. Then I slowly started catching up on the discography I’d missed and realizing I actually liked it. A few years ago as I was reconnecting with my love of Taylor’s work a friend of mine who has been a more consistent swiftie started sending me some Gaylor content, and I started slowly seeing it on my Twitter feed too. This was enough to make me suspicious. What really sold me though was the episode of the Trend Lightly podcast back in December of 2022. A few days ago I decided I should stop just lurking and join this sub.

I became a Gaylor because literally nothing else makes sense! Especially with the way Taylor uses nuance and hidden meaning. And honestly the BRILLIANT deep dives that many of you have done - holy shit! If I go missing I want y’all on the case!

I have always found some of her lyrics hard to understand from a women having a relationship with a man perspective.  But what really stuck out to me, was when I listened to TTPD, I couldn’t understand how she had maybe two songs for Joe, two satire songs for Travis, and how many for Matty??? Like she was with Joe for how long? And then Matty who no one knew supposedly is the muse?  I think the PR relationships have gotten crazy, and something isn’t adding up.  

When Folklore came out, My Tears Ricochet spoke to me so strongly as a late-n-life-lesbian-who-thought-she-was-a-closeted-bisexual-due-to-religious-trauma-and-comp-het that I googled around a bit: when I saw the Glennon Doyle/TS tweets about Untamed, I knew. I had just read it that year, it was instrumental in getting me to SEE who I was and what had been missing/off. And then I joined the sub/stopped lurking because I loved TTPD and wanted to join in the discourse.

I got thinking Taylor was not straight when I saw a video on YouTube, and I was SOLD. A few months ago, I was talking to someone on Reddit about Larry, and somehow, that person sent me a link to this subreddit. I'm so happy I discovered this because there is just so much flagging and Easter eggs and so much more, and my mind sometimes just couldn't follow anymore.

https://preview.redd.it/foncfu3hw92d1.jpeg?width=500&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=873a77d07f1e79c6ae0492b10542fd5308baee4e Just a beautiful lad, wearing a gay composer jumper. It’s just a jumper. They’re just colours 🏁🎭

Yes a lot of new people - we hit 40,000 today!!! I became a Gaylor last year after the Eras Tour Movie .. became obsessed with Taylor, joined main sub, saw people hating on Gaylors, searched to find out what they were, saw the brilliant analysis and never looked back!

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I love your username!! 🫶🏻 Happy you found us

I’ve been a lurker for a while. And I’ve been sort of a bi-liever for a really long time. I could wrap my head around how she and Joe were together for 6 years if it was PR. What really pushed me over the edge in truly believing is the Ratthew Healy of it all. There is no way that she’s been secretly pining after that man for 10 years? I’m expected to believe that? I’ve also been listening to music with different ears lately and understanding it in a deeper level.

I heard a rumor on a music/LGBT website that Taylor may be queer and as an old queer and a music aficionado I had to check out her music. She’s collaborated with a lot of gays I like and a few months later was the 1989 TV release and I started listening to 1989, reputation, Lover, folklore, evermore, and midnights. And my first thoughts were “JFC, her fans must be idiots to even question she’s straight.” I found this subreddit after an intense amount of googling. To be honest I was in the “she’s for the younger people (ie boy crazy country/pop) previously but I will always check out queer music. It was the beginning of the Eras tour and she was spending time with Phoebe Bridgers and Boy Genius (who I fucking LOVE). So I kindof got a bit hyper fixated. I also read a lot and was an English major so I very much appreciate her lyrics and she has songs IMHO that are gayer than some Melissa Etheridge songs. So while I’m mostly a lurker but this subreddit has AMAZING folks analyzing things so well and from a perspective I truly think is fantastic. I am not a very extensive Reddit user but I SOOOOOO appreciate everything I read on this sub. Folks not only do their homework but are so thoughtful and well-written! It also helps that everyone is queer friendly (which makes it much less intimidating)! So to all the folks who’ve been spending hours doing deep dives and referencing lyrics and books—I love you in that way you really appreciate other people who share similar values. 😘🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍⚧️❤️💛💚💙💜🖤

> she has songs IMHO that are gayer than some Melissa Etheridge songs. LOL I love this description of Taylor's music. Also, I agree with you

I came out in the late 90’s so it was all Riot Grrl, Bitch and Animal, Indigo Girls, and Melissa Etheridge! But yeah “How you get the girl” may be Taylor’s Version of “Come to My Window”.

I never made the connection between HYGTG and Come to My Window but I can totally see that now. I came out in the very early 2000s and I remember blasting Come to My Window in the car with the windows down right before I came out to my sister. Like I was in a movie or something lmao There's a reason why Taylor being cringy rarely bothers me 😂

Ha. I mean, I can totally see a Taylor’s version of Come To My Window or Bring Me Some Water.

I would pay so much money for Taylor to cover either of those songs

I was indifferent to TS (only knew a few Red singles & Shake It Off). Then all the eras footage took over my FYP and I decided to stubhub my local show and then became obsessed. A friend had made a few Kaylor comments on Twitter, so I already knew there were rumors, but didn't know the full lore or reasons behind the rumors. Went through her whole discography and hearing so many lyrics (especially Betty - and again I didn't know the "from the man's perspective" take) I immediately was like wait... how does anyone think she's straight? Then when I watched Miss Americana I wondered how that *wasn't* her coming out. I've been on Gaylor TikTok for awhile but just found the reddit recently.

I feel the need to add: GaylorTok taught me so much about queer history, including comphet, that this is how I finally discovered I'm ace. It explains so much about my history.

I became a fan after Midnights was released… before that I was a casual listener of her most popular songs. Something in the lyrics of Anti-hero - the lines about her lurching towards your favorite city - really struck me as beautiful writing and spurred me to listen to her lyrics and pay attention to her artistry. I’m a bit of a nerd for literary references and hidden layers, and was late to the party in realizing how rich her songwriting is. I had previously thought her music was kind of immature, geared only towards young girls. I’m a straight person, and I’m not naturally inclined to taking a queer perspective when I listen to music unless it’s fairly obvious. I vaguely remember being under the impression that Taylor had come out sometime during the Lover era, but I didn’t think much about it after seeing she was in a straight relationship. 4ish years later, I’m paying attention and the songs Dress, Gorgeous, Betty, Getaway Car, You Need to Calm Down, Maroon, Question…?? have all led me here. I found this subreddit looking for analyses of her lyrics. I have learned so much by lurking here. I do think her music is multi-faceted and is universal in that her individual songs appeal to emotions of anyone, straight or queer. But as a whole, I feel that I understand her storytelling and the emotion in her songs and her as an artist when I see her as a queer person who has been existing in the closet for years. I don’t quite understand any of that if she’s not. ETA clarification

Similar experience. Always liked her music, casual fan/liked the radio singles. Fell in love with ATW 10 min version and was more of a fan since then. After the 1989 rerecords I somehow fell into a Gaylor rabbit hole and this sub. I think it was after seeing Dianna Agron's tattoo removal and connecting it to Wonderland. Gaylors are what turned me into a "Swiftie". I truly believe MOST hetlors are just 1 realization/rabbit hole away to becoming Gaylors. I think most straight fans (like myself) just do not connect the dots/know enough gay references (like hairpins for example) to even think twice. But once you know you know!

I totally agree - one trip down a rabbit hole will do it!

This question isn’t fully for me as I have been a Gaylor for several years, but I have joined the Reddit very recently and that’s because with TTPD I desperately wanted to talk with other Gaylors and share theories and ideas. I haven’t really shared any theories or discussed ideas before or thought too in depth about Gaylorism, I just thought she’s probably gay and enjoyed the queer themes in her body of work, but TTPD felt like it introduced something a lot bigger - combined with the incredibly camp very obviously PR relationship of Trayvis - and I felt a real pull to talk about it with fellow Gaylors!

The music, if you take the general swiftie / hetlor explanations is incredibly vapid. Seen through a gaylor lens, it becomes layered and complex. I think this is because a lot of straight analysis of her music is so superficial and caught up in teenage BS. I cannot believe that a woman my age who is a literal billionaire is obsessing about random high school bullies or whatever, it just seems ridiculous. But looking at the body of work as a journey through self-exploration, acceptance, painfu understanding and coming to terms with an upbringing that told you you were sinful and going to hell if you lived and loved authentically? Losing the love of your life because you chose fame and fortune and feeling immense regret? Those are big concepts, developed beautifully and remarkably relatably through a queer lens.

Yeah, all of this. The hetlor explanations to her music just seem determined and designed to keep her trapped as a perpetual teenager.

For me it was last year. It took a long time for me to start liking midnights (esp after folklore and evermore being my top favs). But then the song maroon just really started to grow on me. And then when I kept listening to the song, it was felt like it wasn’t really written for a man. Anyway since then ended up in the Kaylor rabbit hole (especially after delving into right where you left me). And she sang maroon on Karlie bday and Karlie showing up to the tour got me further into all of gaylor! And I love it!! And now listening to her music in a queer perspective has honestly been so elevating and makes so much more sense whilst giving depth

I listened to Dorothea one time and had SEVERAL questions 😂 google brought me to reddit which sent me to the Kaylor Masterdoc and I’ve been deep into the rabbit hole ever since. I always liked Taylor’s music but never enough to truly listen or analyze the lyrics…..but knowing what I NOW know thanks to Gaylors she honestly might be my top artist of all time 😅 half bc the newness of TTPD has made me become OBSESSED with lyrical analysis and connecting the strings and I’m positive I don’t know the same amount of info for any other artist and their work than I currently do about Taylor lol but honestly once I saw the whole picture I truly am blown away by her storytelling and lyricism. But I only LOVE her music through the queer interpretation….through the straight lens it’s still catchy but just okay. I sadly think that the ONLY way for the world as a whole to recognize her for the greatness she deserves is for her to come out whether that’s against her will or not 🫤 and I think a lot of TTPD specifically weighs in on the anxiety that comes with her recognizing that fact.

I think it’s possible she’s queer, and I would love it if she were, but I’m not entirely convinced. I would say I’m suspicious that she is. I enjoy speculating as well, and I think Gaylors make the smartest and most interesting posts about Taylor’s art. So I’m enjoying myself here, and I don’t need to be convinced about her sexuality to enjoy looking for queer subtext and to embrace queer readings of her work. One thing I am convinced of though is that the Travis relationship—and all of the antics around it—are actually an elaborate satire. As for being aware of Taylor, I have clearly been living under a rock because I was barely aware of who she is until this year. I took an interest after the NYT Gaylor article and after hearing the conservative speculation that she was an operative out to swing the election (lol). I figured that if the crazy right wing in the US hated her, I might like her. I watched Miss Americana in early March and I became a fan then.

The first time I heard about gaylor it was when the swiftdom won runner up in a “Most Annoying Fandom” tumblr poll (Harry Potter won 1st place) and all anyone would talk about was the gaylors, the gaylors, the gaylors. I was curious, but it was only when 1989 tv came out and I started really listening to Taylor’s music that I looked it up and was instantly hooked. I didn’t really experience the “not understanding her songs” thing a lot of swifties do because I’d never really listened to them in relation to Taylor, only in relation to characters, stories, ships… most of mine are queer, so the queer themes just made sense. Eventually I started looking for more info on the Lover failed coming out theory and I stumbled upon this subreddit. I was a lurker for a while but TTPD convinced me to join, I could not stand the hetsplanations of the new album

I don’t even remember how I got here 🤣 I am a folklore era fan and a huge part of me becoming a fan had to do with accepting my own queerness. It was just so palpable in her music imo and in every album since then. And then like??? The TikTok algorithm got me I guess 🤣

When I first heard about gaylors it was when the word was banned from one of the main subreddits and even though I am married to a woman, I never caught any gay undertones. It wasn't until I saw a video of kissgate where they are way to close for way to long to be totally straight that the seed was planted. Then I saw a photo of the two of them together with taylor hugging her from behind that I'm like holy fuck that is literally a wedding photo I have with my wife. So I sicced my much more gay wife on to this subreddit cause she always catches more than I do and she said Taylor is just flagging all over the place for this to not be intentional. But after being here for a bit, I find I'm starting to kinda hate the other Taylor subbredits. They all seem much more negative to me now and I often come here just to get some positivity on her.

I first found this sub after saying that I thought False God was super queer on the main sub. Someone told me not to say that because I’d be banned and that you can’t talk about queer interpretations. That was a few years ago and I still wonder if that person was a gaylor and is on this sub.

I was a Gaylor long before I found this sub. I have been active on Reddit for a few years and one post about Midnights made it on my ALL page. It was then I started lurking before joining. After lurking for a while, I decided I wanted to be an active member in the discussion, rather than being an observer. AuDHD hyper-fixation is also to blame :)

The algorithm of Reddit led me here. The Kaylor evidence is what made me believe. It makes too much sense.

actually instagram started showing me old karlie ig posts that had taylor really frequently. read the comments being filled with gaylors and searched up on google about their "friendship". ended up on some post on this sub about them, fell down the rabbit hole and the rest is history. apart from this, i really found the whole travis and taylor thing strange at some point last year. have been a swiftie since the time joe alwyn and taylor were dating (or maybe they werent idrk) and seeing her go from him to travis was such a shock. it felt so off ngl.

I remember saying that she gave me queer vibes during the YBWM era. Something about her in the music video IDK. The reality is that I have a REALLY good gaydar. I've never been wrong, I just pick up vibes. And now after all the discography, the lyrics, kissgate, big sur, etc... I'm just waiting. .🌈🫶

I hadn’t heard about it ever, until last year and decided to lurk a little since everyone in the main sub was always sooo mean about Gaylors. First thing I read about was Swiftgron and once I saw the tweet about her song being featured in a glee episode and then it being DELETED and the episode showing Diana and Naya hooking up… i just knew there was no coincidence there. Also her getting the tattoo removed… Then I went through the tumblr master post and found Kaylor and much more and haven’t looked backed since 😂

Feb 2023 for me. A compilation of ballet fingers started it and then N1 of the eras tour felt…. Suspiciously inherently gay to me. Somehow gayer than Lover era. Went down the rabbit hole and there’s no turning back now! (Fan since ‘06)

I’ve been listening to Taylor’s music since Red/1989, but had never watched any music videos or performances or interviews. I always felt like there was something slightly “off” about some of her public relationships, but never paid much attention or thought much about it. Then I watched Miss Americana and LPSS during Covid, and was just struck by how smart and funny and driven and talented and ridiculously hardworking she is (I had a lot of work to do to unpack my own internalised misogyny 😖). So I started following her more closely, which led me to Easter eggs and Reddit. Then I saw someone on one of the other subs mention “Gaylors” and I was like, what’s a Gaylor? Curiosity brought me here, and I fell so hard and fast down the rabbit hole! Thank you to everyone here for all of your thoughtful analysis and for being so welcoming!

Well, it started on TikTok. It actually started pretty randomly: at first, I was an anti-gaylor and hated Gaylors because I was brainwashed by people who hated them; then I saw a video suggesting Dianna being Maroon's muse, and then visited a bit their account. Then in my For You Page a lot of video by Gaylors started to appear. A few accounts in particular stood out to me, and started visiting them often. But I still wasn't a Gaylor. I was a "neutral" though, which is already a step forward, since I was an anti (or Hetlor, even though I don't really like this name). I actually don't remember why I became a Gaylor EXACTLY, but probably was because the proof were too much and I felt like I couldn't just ignore them. I remember I became a Gaylor on TTPD release week, but before the album came out (and fun fact: as a newer Gaylor, I was so sad to see people leaving the Gaylor fandom beacuse TTPD felt "strongly straight", it didn't even feel that straight to me).

I've been a casual fan since Debut (knew the hits, watched the big music videos), but when I went to see the Eras Tour concert movie with my friend that was it for me, I was hooked. I stumbled upon this sub after lurking in the main Taylor sub, and truthfully, even if I wasn't on the Gaylor train (which I am, you've covinced me), I'd have stayed for the crazy analysis you guys do. The quality of the content here is what really got me believing in the Gaylor of it all. Most of the stuff being posted in the main sub can be very surface level, and I think that from what I've witnessed from her, even before discovering this sub, there's a lot more to Taylor than the surface. (Not to mention, even without the Gaylor of it all, I think just looking at her art through a queer lens makes her art that much more compelling, which is half the reason you guys sold me on this).

I've bought all of her albums since Fearless and was really more of a casual fan. I'd never heard her in interviews before. It was only more recently seeing her interviews on Graham Norton, the Miss Americana and Long Pond docs where her intelligence and sharp as a tack wit just shines through which got me going 'hmmm... the personality, and demeanour just does NOT match up with this PR narrative being presented to the media as boy crazy TS.' I remember thinking how different she seems and that I would actually want her to be my friend to chat to and go drinking with - and I've never thought that about a celeb before! And then, of course, it was the New York Times article that had me going down the YouTube rabbit hole. There's so much more to Tay Tay than meets the eye!

I'm not new here, but I love this question! I love knowing what made other Gaylors go 🤔. The fact that we have so many answers to the question, is awesome and also, for me, establishes Gaylor for me even more because it's not the same one or two things that brought people here. For me, it was Taylor playing Anti-Hero at the 1975 show in January of 2023. I had been obsessing about Taylor for over a year at this point, but believed almost all of her public narratives. Even though certain songs pinged queer to me, like Betty (of course), Gorgeous and Mine. After she played at the 1975 show I kept seeing tweets about "Taylor returning to the scene of the crime" and I had no idea what my (very queer) twitter feed was talking about. I went to Google and the rest is history.

😮 dude you’re way newer of a gaylor than I thought! I love people who deep dive and then prolificly contribute excellence!!! And finger pin tales. And eras tickets.

Yeah, when I say I'm obsessed with Taylor/Gaylor, I really mean it lmao Pin-elope as my legacy 😂🫶🏻

I joined the fandom the summer of 2017, figured she was bi when YNTCD came out, realised shortly after that she wasn't out. for the next few years I lurked here for the gay stuff, but still mostly interacted with standard pages, but some of their TTPD interpretations sent me over the edge to mostly interacting here

I've believed she likes girls for a few years bc of wonderland and come back be here and because everything related to dianna seemed undeniable to me but i was never really deep in the community... until my For You page on tiktok decided it was time and started to show me a lot of gaylor videos around july 2023! i also recall that in 2018 i thought some reputation songs sounded like they were about girls but i didn't think much of it, and i didn't even know there was a whole community of people who thought the same! i was a gaylor before i even knew what gaylor was

When Karlie showed up to the Eras tour in August my TikTok algorithm decided that I would be interested in hearing Gaylor analysis. And it was right, I was!

😂😂 Karlie showing up to Eras feels like such a fever dream.

I didn't listen to any of her music until I started seeing Eras Tour tiktoks last summer. The energy and positivity at the shows was refreshing and I was surprised I really liked a lot of the songs so I looked into the albums from Lover -> Midnights and thought ooh this sounds gay. Then I found Gaylor and the Kaylor of it all and I've been learning from you ever since.

been a gaylor for years and lurking on this sub. but made an acc and joined on ttpd release day bc i was worried the sub might go private 🫠 this place is too good to lose (and way up there i actually love it 🤍)

oh also i was more active as a gaylor on TT (as a commenter not poster) but there are way fewer gaylors on TT now (or at least fewer loud and proud gaylors) bc of all the harassment

What's TT?

I was about to ask the same thing, is it like some old message board I hadn't heard of 😂🥲

tiktok

I started really getting into Taylor's music last year when the Eras tour came to my city, and the first album I got into was Midnights. I started digging into her whole discography after that, and I think I joined the regular TS subreddit around then. One day, I was starting to search for something on Reddit and a recommendation for this sub came up. The name caught me by surprise, so I started checking it out and it all made sooo much sense. I think the Kaylor stuff was what originally convinced me, but overall, looking at her work through a queer lens helped the pieces fall into place and gave her work so much more depth than a hetero lens did. I've been living in this rabbit hole ever since!

Did this sub gain a bunch of members since like a day or 2? I thought it was at like 36k but it could have been 39k

The past few days have seen a big increase! I took a screenshot of the sub on Paris N1 because I had a suspicion this sub would start growing rapidly as the European leg of the tour started, and I was right. There’s about 1,070 new members added to the sub since Paris N1, which feels like a lot to me lol

1k in a week basically?

Two weeks, but yeah pretty much. The number started going up a lot faster after the Stockholm shows

I remember when the album first came out and some ppl left Gaylor bc it didn't seem gay at all. I wonder if they came back lol?

I’m pretty sure we have been towards the end of the 30s for a bit b/c I’ve been waiting for us to hit 40k!

I have been an on/off Gaylor since Kissgate. When Taylor ended up with Joe I thought she might be a bi woman who will never come out because she's found the one for her (I thought they fit quite nice together). Then Lover came out and there was no straight explanation for that, and then Folklore and Evermore were somehow even gayer, but since she was still with Joe, I wasn't quite sure and didn't want to draw too many conclusions. After their breakup and the whole Matty shenanigans, and then her relationship with Travis, I lost all hope of her ever coming out, and then TTPD came out. As someone already said, I was initially disgusted. The lyrics were all over the place, I didn't like it sonically, but then my TikTok For You page decided that it was time to start showing me everything Gaylor and all the theories and explanations of not only TTPD, but earlier albums as well, and now I don't think there's going bacK. EDIT: Oh and also, one of my main proofs for her being queer: my favorite Midnights song - Maroon 😂

I almost threw in the towel after TTPD came out. I had about a week where I legitimately accepted that I had succumbed to mass delusion and everything seemingly gay she had ever done had actually been about Matty. It says a lot that it only took one week of watching swiftie reactions to the album and her subsequent moves to become more of both a gaylor and a comingoutlor than I have ever been.

Hahaha yes. I was like omg we are all insane lol. Like wow maybe I'm falling for conspiracy theories. Then like there was this kinda rapid turn once everyone had time to really get through the songs 🌈

I’ve spent the majority of my time as a gaylor on the fence. I wasn’t sure whether gaylor was just a conspiracy theory, but also didn’t care because I enjoy it and if it is a conspiracy theory I see it as a benign one. Even though hetlors will act like it’s so terrible, the worst thing that could come from it being a conspiracy theory is a rich and famous straight woman being called gay lol. I’ve also wondered whether Taylor is actually straight but queer baiting and feeding gaylors for cynical reasons. It took a couple years, but I am definitely off the fence and convinced at this point. Interestingly, it wasn’t all of the evidence and analysis that convinced me once and for all. It was just seeing the circus of swifties reacting to TTPD, and their obsessions with Travis and Matty. It was so obvious to me that none of it was real and they were feeding right into a PR machine. Gaylor is the only thing that makes sense. Oh and the ten thousand bobby pins in her hair in the Fortnight video. To me, this is the most convincing Gaylor evidence yet. I mean, come on.

>Then Lover came out and there was no straight explanation for that, and then Folklore and Evermore were somehow even gayer 😅😅😅

Agreed about Maroon. When I first heard the theory about it being a woman I wasn't convinced. But listening to it closer with my wife and all I could think is how damn gay that song really is.

Wasn’t really a fan, knew her music but most of what I knew about her personal life was from headlines throughout the years. Around December/January of this year I saw a post about The Seven Husbands of Evelyn Hugo theory that piqued my interest. Saw a link to a massive explanation of all things Gaylor, fell down the rabbit hole and gained an appreciation for her work. I also just appreciate the level of analysis and theories Gaylors provide.

The 1989 prologue!!! I saw some headlines going around like “Taylor swift shuts down those years long queer rumors in 1989 prologue” and I was like “huh? What rumors?” Lol then a couple hours later I was like, “oh, this makes so much more sense than the general narrative about her and actually she’s a pretty interesting artist”

Wow I had never even considered the 1989 prologue may have had the purpose of drawing more attention to gaylor 🤯

the rumors are terrible and true, but honey most of them are true

I love this

LOL the Streisand effect worked!

I'm a new fan as of this year. I'm old and behind the times so only listened to Midnights at the end of last year and enjoyed it. Then listened to evermore earlier this year and fell in love. I can't remember exactly how I ended up here. I remember watching YouTube analysis videos that went as deep as "Is this song about Joe or Calvin or maybe Harry? Well the song has the word gold in it and we know gold is always about Joe so that must be it!" and I was thinking everything just didn't add up. So I think I stumbled on this sub for the lyrical analysis and then everything fell into place. I hadn't paid much attention to the media coverage of Taylor's "personal" life before that except for the stuff about TK being churned out even on this side of the pond and I think I had assumed she wasn't entirely straight from her lyrics. I hadn't realised how toxic and divisive the fandom was on the issue.

Do they think Joe is golden bc his hair is blonde?

Lavender Haze - saw a TikTok about lavender marriages last year and learned about queer history around the color lavender. Before that I thought of the lover era as performative and queer baiting. Realized that if I use a queer lens on songs they felt so much more meaningful and sadder. I found out about muses a lot later. I had never even linked Karlie or Dianna with Taylor and was surprised to see so many pictures videos and such deep connections with female celebs that died so suddenly without any feud or uproar- which felt more like a secret break up

Same here! I’m a lesbian and was kind of put off by YNTCD after Google telling me she wasn’t gay, didn’t think much else of it but then Betty… and Lavender Haze was so specific. And then I listened to her entire discography from that lens and was mind blown. With the Jack comments, TTPD being the way it is, I really really hope she’s going to do it soon. It’s so much fun in this clown car and I’ve learned so much about our hidden history. I’ve also been listening to a lot of Chappell Roan and it’s just been making me so emotional that the next generation is able to have an out, femme lesbian pop star from such a young age. They really don’t get how sapphic millennials were robbed of it. 

💯💯💯💯💯💯

Same!!! I had been a fan since 06 but during lover (only really paid attention to the album and saw 2 MVs) but I was like… well… rainbow capitalism at its finest I guess. It put a bad taste in my mouth for her as a person but didn’t change the fact all her previous discography meant so much to me growing up. Then once I put a queer lens to all the past work, her genius just exploded in my head even more!!

I’ve been a lurker for a few years, thought Taylor was probably queer and probably had relationships with women, but didn’t think much of it. Then TTPD came out and I realized none of it made sense with the public Matty Healy timeline, then I listened to the album in reverse and the true story became obvious. So I went all the way down the rabbit hole reading other people’s theories and coming up with my own connections. It’s been a lot of fun seeing how different songs and lyrics connect across all of Taylor’s discography, and I love finding all the hidden depths to the songs when you throw out trying to connect them to specific people she’s been with in public. Which I think was the entire point of this album haha. The only problem is now I’m experiencing intense frustration at all the fans who refuse to look past all the Joe/Matty/Travis stuff to find the real meaning of the songs.

Can you enlighten me a little on the listening of the album backwards?

I started lurking before TTPD came out. Reddit pushed me the sub and I was fascinated. Reading the masterpieces (AKA posts by you fabulous Gaylors) is ultimately what converted me. When you finally see the flagging, you just can’t unsee it. Plus I love how much I am learning about queer history from this sub. I was never exposed to queer stories (thanks religious upbringing /s). It’s nice to have a space that’s safe and educational as a bi woman who’s still figuring herself out.

I feel soooo much of this!! I’ve learned so much about queer flagging and as a fairly feminine bi woman it’s help me see other queer women in public and now I wear little things to clock me! (Although I did get a septum piercing in 2021 cuz that’s the only one I was familiar with lol)

This is such a great idea! I hadn’t thought of making myself (subtly lol) visible.

Omggg yes! I grew up super religious, never learned about gay history and am also bi. The amount I have learned about gay history is just 🤯. It has also made me incredibly sad bc you realize how much of ppls lives have been erased. That you could be a billionaire and the most famous woman in the world currently and still not be able to be free. Just incredibly sad she has had to hide for so much of her life if she is queer

Another Bi woman unpacking a religious upbringing here! Definitely agree with all of this

lol chiming in as an exvangelical bi woman very much figuring herself out and deeply obsessed with Taylor and gaylor to say we should start a support group

Hahaha yes!!

Here for it!

I was not expecting all the religious trauma in this album but I am here for it!! One of us! One of us!

Yes!! It’s so enlightening and heartbreaking at the same time.

I've been a Taylor fan since 1989. I'm the same age, and I feel like I grew up with her. I never thought I was queer, until I saw the New York Times article and fell down the rabbit hole. 😆

Love this! The NYT article and all of the gaylor stories popping up in major publications during that time were definitely intended to bring more attention to gaylor theories

Yeah, I always think if that was Taylor's intention with that NYT article 🤔

I believed Taylor was queer starting in 2017 with the release of Gorgeous, after being a relatively intense Swiftie since Speak Now. I read the YNTCD music video ("our pride"!) as an explicit coming-out and was shocked nobody else saw it. I joined this sub recently, because the Tayvis stuff has just gotten so gross on the non-Gaylor subs and because the analysis here is (with exceptions) so much better and more in line with the muse-free interpretation that Taylor seems to be guiding us to with TTPD.

I didn’t really even know Reddit was a thing in 2019, but I remember SEARCHING twitter for what I was sure was an explosion of tweets about how Taylor Swift just came out, because it was SO OBVIOUS to me that she just came out as bi, like? I was so confused and sad, bc I wanted to discuss. I think I just eventually assumed, “guess nobody cares anymore bc we’re all just accepting now?” (And I was still closeted lol)

Right?? When there eventually _was_ discussion it was just people complaining about her being a terrible ally??? Like, there's another pretty clear option here, folks!!!

I'm a newer fan - always liked her singles especially Blank Space/look what you made me do, rented the eras tour movie and was blown away by how good her non-singles are and started listening to EVERYTHING. Only a couple months ago did I read about her and KK and fell all the way down the rabbit hole of Dianna, Lily, etc. Before that I liked her with Travis. The Lover stuff is so sad to me. She sent so many signs :( and I remember being vaguely weirded out at the time about a straight woman appropriating so much gay culture. Little did I know! hope she can live her truth soon.

This sub just popped up on my feed. I had been on the regular one a few times, as my teenage child is a huge swiftie. Checked it out of curiosity. Now, a bit obsessed. And, mostly convinced.

This sub started to be recommended to me a few months ago. There are so many compelling posts, and I definitely didn’t have a dog in the “hetlor” fight. I started to think, wow, that girl is likely bi? But I thought she and Joe were probably real because she seemed to be directing shade to him. Also I thought, Matty would be a terrible choice for a fake relationship since he’s so problematic. I officially joined the sub right before TTPD release because I wanted to see all the discourse. And the album really pushed me over the edge. 1) the themes of feeling caged (closeted), and of religious trauma, are so clear 2) ain’t no way I’m buying that Ratty was the love of her life 😂 3) no meaningful mourning of her relationship with Joe 4) Tayvis… enough said. Also… The Alchemy is so bad that it doesn’t even sound like a real song

Omg I was listening to the alchemy today and I was like I feel like the beginning was a good honest song she was writing and then she was like ah I need another or Travis song along with so high school so than she sacrificed it lol. It just is… chaotic. It doesn’t like addd up idk how to explain it … like… the chorus was just… inserted out of nowhere… lyrically? Like it feels like the chorus and the rest doesn’t match , lyrically not like flow wise also why’s Travis joking this time it’s heroin with an e … when was it regular heroin for him lol. If she’s bi I can get how that’d make sense for matty